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Postby K Mehta » 26 Jan 2013 11:43

x-posting
Victor wrote:Looks like Atlantique with 2 engines removed. Orion is 4 engined.

I agree, after looking at the older and better views, it does look like Atlantique, v similar to the one at PNS Mehran at 24.870917, 67.108183.
One thing is for sure, that is an upcoming naval base. That plane has been there for some time, so it is probably for display and PN doesnt have many birds! So this place is important. I think the small channels dug may be used for sub bases.
Naval experts can comment on it better.

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Postby SSridhar » 26 Jan 2013 13:34

Acharya wrote:
K Mehta wrote:from daillytimes.pk Interior pic of PAF AEWC

For a country the size of Pakistan the AWACS are a luxury and over kill.
THey dont have the depth to really use it

That's why they want to annexe India. They want to have a 'tactical depth' in Afghanistan to get the 'strategic depth' of India. Lebensraum.

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Postby Indrajit » 30 Jan 2013 15:15

Here it comes straight from the horse's mouth,plz delete if posted earlier.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/0 ... Qjdrx2-rgy

ISLAMABAD – A retired Pakistani nuclear scientist has claimed that former Pakistani leader Gen. Pervez Musharraf’s 1999 military adventurism in the Kargil region of divided Kashmir failed in part because the North Korea-aided, nuclear-capable Ghauri missiles he wanted to deploy then had a faulty guidance system.
Speaking on condition of anonymity, the scientist said that during the Kargil crisis of May-July 1999, Musharraf, who was then army chief, “wanted to deploy Ghauri missiles, but air went out of his balloon when the top general in charge of the missile program told him the missile had a faulty guidance system.”
Over a year earlier, on April 6, 1998, Pakistan had carried out what it described as a successful first test of the intermediate-range ballistic missile, developed by Khan Research Laboratory with North Korean assistance.
Even Musharraf, who witnessed that Ghauri launch as a local corps commander, had been led to believe it was a success then, according to the nuclear scientist, who until recently had long been closely associated with the country’s nuclear and missile programs.
The truth, he said, is that the ballistic missile failed to reach its predesignated impact point in Pakistan’s southwestern province of Baluchistan and its debris could not be found — something that would have undermined the missile’s deterrent effect if it were made public.
Military experts and strategists have pondered why Musharraf, immediately after he became chief of the army staff in October 1998, began planning the ill-fated incursions across the volatile Line of Control in disputed Kashmir, sparking the worst outbreak of fighting since the India-Pakistan war of 1971 even though he knew Pakistan could not prevail in an all-out conventional war with its neighbor.
During the May-July 1999 conflict, the two sides fought a two-month limited war in Kargil that led to over 1,200 fatalities and added to fears of a nuclear showdown before then-U.S. President Bill Clinton helped broker a ceasefire and Pakistani withdrawal.
Musharraf’s gamble in Kargil has since been interpreted by many as an effort by Pakistan, aside from gaining a tactical advantage by occupying dominating positions in the Kargil Heights, to test the deterrence value of its nuclear weapons.
The untold story, according to the scientist, is that Musharraf was unaware of the Ghauri missile’s faulty guidance system even as he oversaw the covert occupation by Pakistan troops and mujahedeen “freedom fighters” of the inhospitable, snowbound outposts in Kargil that the Indian Army had vacated for the winter.
He said Musharraf only learned the truth in March 1999 from Lt. Gen. Zulfikar Khan, who then commanded the army’s Combat Division.
Musharraf then ordered another Ghauri test, which took place on April 14, 1999, just three days after India tested its Agni-2 intermediate-range ballistic missile and several weeks before India detected the extent of the Pakistani side’s penetration in Kargil.
But this test also failed, with the missile overflying its target and falling across the border in the Sistan region of southeastern Iran, the scientist said. It, too, was publicly declared a success, however.
The scientist’s remarks were corroborated by two other nuclear scientists and another knowledgeable source who confirmed that the two missiles tested in 1998 and 1999 both failed to impact at the predesignated points in Baluchistan.
While Pakistan claimed the Ghauri missiles were designed and produced indigenously, they were actually Nodong missiles supplied by North Korea and re-engineered in Pakistan to extend their strike range.
The scientist claimed that after the second test, North Koreans were invited to a meeting at army headquarters in Rawalpindi, where they were confronted with the fault in their technology.
“The North Koreans started talking left and right but were told to open their eyes and take care of the guidance system in their Nodong missiles,” said the scientist, who was privy to the meeting.
Musharraf, he said, initially wanted to return the Nodong missiles to North Korea, from which it had imported 40 in knocked down condition in the mid-1990s. But then the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission undertook to replace the guidance with that of the country’s Chinese-aided Shaheen missile, he said.
Last Nov. 28, the improved version of Ghauri was test-fired and the government — true to form — declared it a success. Soon afterward, however, it was found to have exploded in midair and rained metal debris over parts of Sindh Province.
Pakistan’s disgraced nuclear scientist, Abdul Qadeer Khan, whose laboratory develops nuclear warheads for Pakistan’s missiles, concedes there was a row about the Ghauri’s accuracy.
But he ridicules the assertion that Musharraf wanted to return them over their faulty guidance system, saying, “What difference does it make if a nuclear-tipped missile falls 1 km left or right of the predetermined impact point?”
Khan claims Musharraf merely sought to return them because Pakistan had insufficient funds to pay back what it owed for them.
The Kargil crisis happened in the wake of six nuclear tests carried out by Pakistan in May 1998, which triggered sanctions against the country and led a drastic fall in foreign exchange reserves.
Pakistan suffered a serious military and diplomatic setback after successful Indian military action and intense international pressure forced it to unconditionally pull back behind the Line of Control as part of the U.S.-brokered ceasefire.
In his autobiography, published in 2006, Musharraf called it a “myth” that the two sides had come to the brink of nuclear war during the conflict and dismissed as “preposterous” speculation that Pakistan was preparing for a possible nuclear strike on India then.
“I can also say with authority that in 1999 our nuclear capability was not yet operational. Merely exploding a bomb does not mean that you are operationally capable of deploying nuclear force in the field and delivering a bomb across the border over a selected target,” he wrote.
Critics of Musharraf’s action often refer to the Kargil conflict as a “misadventure,” saying it was badly conceived and executed, while he wrongly assumed the world would sit back idly.
Instead of considering the Kargil as a blunder, Musharraf, who has been living in exile since quitting politics in 2008, claims it actually brought the Kashmir issue back into international focus and helped pave the way for a solution.
However, tension between the nuclear-armed neighbors, which have fought three wars since partition in 1947, two of them over Kashmir, has remained high since the Kargil conflict.
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Postby SSridhar » 30 Jan 2013 15:46

The above report tallies with the September 2012 Ghauri failure when missile parts rained all over the Sind.

Ghauri has been a failure. TSP scientists/engineers have been unable to fix the guidance since the time the 'Daughter of the East' got them from NoKo. After two decades, they are still struggling.

We had discussed it in BRf. Link

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Postby sum » 30 Jan 2013 16:09

Ghauri has been a failure. TSP scientists/engineers have been unable to fix the guidance since the time the 'Daughter of the East' got them from NoKo. After two decades, they are still struggling.

For a country which doesnt even make bicycles ( other than the uber advanced sitara), can we expect them to really have any knowledge of control systems/missile guidance systems?

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Postby SSridhar » 30 Jan 2013 16:44

That is where the danger is, sum ji. Nukes and their delivery systems are for responsible, viable and capable countries. Not for fly-by-night operators like TSP. Unfortunately, the Master and the wannbe-Master collaborated in uncorking the genie.

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Postby Sagar G » 30 Jan 2013 19:47

While we support jobs in US (Piss Be Upon Him) they go ahead and arm our neighbours against us.

Pakistan to get US surveillance plane this year

Pakistan is expected to receive maritime surveillance P3C Orion aircraft from the US this year, state media quoted the country’s ambassador in Washington as saying.

Sherry Rehman, who has been meeting with top American officials as part of efforts to restore the full range of bilateral ties, has said both the civil and defence cooperation between the two sides are gaining momentum, reported Xinhua Monday citing Radio Pakistan. i.e. more arms will be supplied so as to be used against India

Pakistan’s Vice Chief of the Naval Staff Vice Admiral Muhammad Shafique, currently on a visit to the US, discussed matters related to ongoing cooperation between Pakistani and American navies and expressed satisfaction over senior level exchanges.

Pakistan signed an agreement with the American defence manufacturer Lockheed Martin seven years ago, for the delivery of seven Orion aircrafts.

The navy received three of these aircrafts in 2010, while two more were delivered in 2011.
In addition to the Orions, the navy is also operating seven aging Fokker F27-200 Friendship naval surveillance aircrafts, which it had acquired during the 1980s.

The Orions are one of the most popular maritime surveillance aircrafts in the world, being used by the naval forces in a number of nations such as the US, Japan, New Zealand and Brazil.

The aircraft were first inducted into the US Navy in 1962, and so far more than 750 units have been manufactured. The US Navy recently decided to replace its Orion fleet with the Boeing P-8A Poseidons.

The Pakistani ambassador said that Pakistan-US interactions are important to push forward bilateral defense ties and said the Pakistan Navy’s key role in securing sea lanes in North Arabian Sea as part of the anti-piracy international coalition has been widely appreciated in the US.

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Postby K Mehta » 01 Feb 2013 12:47

Data point
PN has retired its fleet of Breguet Atlantique on 5 Sept 2012

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Postby nits » 01 Feb 2013 13:17

Pervez Musharraf claims Kargil was a big success militarily for Pakistan

Musharraf told that former prime minister Nawaz Sharif was solely to blame for the defeat, though militarily it was a success in the sense that it completely exposed the Indian security establishment’s unpreparedness. “If he (Sharif) had not visited the US, we would have conquered 300 square miles of India,” claimed Musharraf.

“We lost the Kargil war, which was a big success militarily, because of (then premier) Nawaz Sharif…If he had not visited the US, we would have conquered 300 square miles of India,” Musharraf said in an interview with Express News channel.


And we would have sat quietly Mr Mush; welcoming you to those 300 sq miles... :rotfl: he is a nut case

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Postby wig » 01 Feb 2013 13:23

India, Pak came close to N-confrontation 5 times
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2013/20130201/main7.htm
India and Pakistan came dangerously close to a nuclear confrontation on at least five occasions in the past 20 years, according to a visiting Pakistani nuclear physicist, defence analyst and editor of a new book “Confronting the Bomb: Indian and Pakistani Scientists Speak Out.”

In an exclusive interview with The Tribune, Professor Pervez Hoodbhoy said the most serious confrontation was at the time of the 1999 Kargil war when Pakistan launched a covert operation hoping that its soldiers would ascend the mountains and cut India’s supply routes. Tensions were high and nuclear weapons were readied for use.

“According to Bruce Ridel, former Special Adviser to the US President who was present when President Bill Clinton met Nawaz Sharif in the White House, Nawaz replied in the negative when Clinton asked him if he knew what his army was doing.”

Other occasions

Hoodbhoy said the first of the nuclear dramas started more than a decade earlier - during Operation Brass Tacks in 1987 - just when Pakistan acquired the bomb and sent a message to India: Don’t get closer.

“General Sundarji was in charge on the Indian side. He was a man who was gung ho about putting Pakistan in its right place. Here was a man who was terribly in love with nuclear weapons and used to say India doesn’t need more than five nuclear weapons - for Karachi, Quetta, Lahore, Peshawar and Islamabad.”

Hoodbhoy said when tensions peaked over Kashmir in 1990 and there was an exodus of Kashmiri refugees into Pakistan, Islamabad again moved its nuclear weapons from Kahuta to the Chaklala air force base on to F16s. “That’s when the Americans are said to have known about it and conveyed a message to the Indians to back off.”

In 2002, soon after the attack on India’s Parliament by Jaish-e-Mohammed, New Delhi invoked Operation Parakaram to “stare down” Pakistan. “Pakistan warned India by saying, “We’ve got nukes.”

Had India crossed the international border, it would have been confronted by a nuclear holocaust. Of course, Pakistan would have had to face one too.

“In 2008 at the time of the attacks in Mumbai, there were voices that said that it was the time to ready nuclear weapons. I was in a TV studio with General Hamid Nawaz.

“When the anchor asked what should be done if India attacked, General Nawaz replied: Let’s nuke them before they get too close to us.”

Safe-keepers of Pak weapons

Hoodbhoy said he himself was against nuclear weapons. “I want both countries to get rid of nukes. I want them to shake hands and embrace each other. India and Pakistan are cultural cousins. Let’s not let the Arabs divide us.”

He added that current concerns within Pakistan about the future safety and security of the country’s nuclear arsenal stem from worries about what would happen if Islamic extremists, or jihadists, got their hands on nuclear weapons.

“They believe the Government of Pakistan has to be destroyed for Islamic order to take over. So there is no limit to this madness. Even the Pakistan army which had as its recruiting slogan - Jihad in the name of God - today has had to distance itself from the jihadis.

“If a nuclear weapon gets stolen...if fissile material is stolen...that could have catastrophic consequences. A stolen nuclear weapon could be detonated in principle anywhere in the world and the most likely would be either a city in India or a city in Pakistan. You might ask why in Pakistan? Its beyond comprehension. But then, also beyond comprehension is why a Muslim would blow himself up in a mosque (in Pakistan).”

Currently, the custodian of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons is the Strategic Plans Division (SPD) of the Pakistan army which is made up of 12,000-15,000 soldiers headed by General Khalid Kidwai.

The SPD claims to have complete control over weapons by virtue of installing electronic locks, enhancing perimeter protection and having a Personnel Reliability Programme (PRP).

“Electronic locks are things that are installed and require keys. The keys are similar to how you protect your email and computer from predators,” explained Hoodbhoy.

“Permissive Actions Links, known as PALS, are devices that enable the nuclear weapon to explode if and when desired and only when they pass through strict environmental tests - environmental meaning that certain conditions have to be fulfilled. For example, if it is a bomb to be dropped from an aircraft, then it’ll experience zero gravity for a while...or if it is a bomb installed for a missile, then that missile has to experience acceleration and so forth.”

He said one of the key features of the safety programme was the institution of the Personnel Reliability Programme, devised with the help and funding of the US.

“That entails asking prospective employees, which means soldiers and others involved with nuclear weapons, to pass a battery of tests.

“To the extent that I know, they ask individuals about their religious affiliations. Of course, all of them are Muslim, but do they belong to the Wahabi sect, the Deobandhi, to this or that Sufi sect? And who are their friends? Who are the people they work with? All that goes into forming the PRP.

“What’s plainly dangerous is that if Pakistan continues to radicalise - at this rate - things might get out of the army’s control. So paradoxically, a strong Pakistan army is probably a better guarantor of stability than a Pakistani state that disintegrates. And India should recognise that.

“Even though the Indian and Pakistani armies are at loggerheads over a number of issues, the Pakistan army is necessary for India’s continued survival.”

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Postby sum » 01 Feb 2013 13:58

“Even though the Indian and Pakistani armies are at loggerheads over a number of issues, the Pakistan army is necessary for India’s continued survival.”

Riiiiiight

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Postby Aditya_V » 01 Feb 2013 14:22

nits wrote:Pervez Musharraf claims Kargil was a big success militarily for Pakistan

Musharraf told that former prime minister Nawaz Sharif was solely to blame for the defeat, though militarily it was a success in the sense that it completely exposed the Indian security establishment’s unpreparedness. “If he (Sharif) had not visited the US, we would have conquered 300 square miles of India,” claimed Musharraf.

“We lost the Kargil war, which was a big success militarily, because of (then premier) Nawaz Sharif…If he had not visited the US, we would have conquered 300 square miles of India,” Musharraf said in an interview with Express News channel.


And we would have sat quietly Mr Mush; welcoming you to those 300 sq miles... :rotfl: he is a nut case


Said this sometime back, its always Pakistani politicians who snathed defeat from the hands of victory.

Althought facts were, we had captured themajor peaks and their soldiers were dying of starvation and if Nawaz Sharif had not US intervention anther 3k-5K Paki troops would have been macequered.

Yes Paki army won in 1965 and 1971 also but unfortunately the Politicians again snatched defeat at Tashkent and Shimla

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Postby arun » 03 Feb 2013 08:01

X Posted from the TSP thread.

shiv wrote:
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Aditya_V wrote:Is the Pak Army or the ever self sacrificing Frontier Constablury.


Confirmation that the Green on Green violence in Serai Naurang near Lakki Marwat was also a case of the Ununiformed Jihadi’s taking on the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. The Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan suffered 9 dead while the Frontier Constabulary suffered 4 dead.

Apparently lots of excitement in the military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as three of the slain Ununiformed Jihadi’s were not ……… ahem ……… Circumscribed .

What’s with this homo-erotic obsession of taking a peek at the privates of the dead by the uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan?

36 dead as militants storm army camp in Lakki Marwat

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Postby arnabh » 03 Feb 2013 08:15

not sure where to put this.....monkey business by Iran

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130203/j ... Q3Sz_VLOKo

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Postby svinayak » 03 Feb 2013 09:41

wig wrote:India, Pak came close to N-confrontation 5 times
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2013/20130201/main7.htm

“In 2008 at the time of the attacks in Mumbai, there were voices that said that it was the time to ready nuclear weapons. I was in a TV studio with General Hamid Nawaz.

“When the anchor asked what should be done if India attacked, General Nawaz replied: Let’s nuke them before they get too close to us.”



Mumbai attack was a police case and it was tried as a police criminal case.

THis is being taken as a war and that too escalting into a nuke war. It is this kind of absurd thinking in Pak which needs careful watch and US may need more control on Pak.

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Postby member_20067 » 03 Feb 2013 10:10

Acharya wrote:
wig wrote:India, Pak came close to N-confrontation 5 times
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2013/20130201/main7.htm

“In 2008 at the time of the attacks in Mumbai, there were voices that said that it was the time to ready nuclear weapons. I was in a TV studio with General Hamid Nawaz.

“When the anchor asked what should be done if India attacked, General Nawaz replied: Let’s nuke them before they get too close to us.”



Mumbai attack was a police case and it was tried as a police criminal case.

THis is being taken as a war and that too escalting into a nuke war. It is this kind of absurd thinking in Pak which needs careful watch and US may need more control on Pak.


Every time someone is about to release a book...all these preposterous claims will be made to stir up some interest and possible traction in demand

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Postby arun » 03 Feb 2013 12:07

Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden violence by way of a demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan results in the Ununiformed Jihadi’s killing two Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Must be pretty confusing to belong to an Army whose motto touts “Jihad in the Path of Allah” or in Urdu “jihad fi sabilillah” and then get killed by others also claiming to wage Jihad:

Two soldiers killed in Orakzai IED blast

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Postby Sagar G » 03 Feb 2013 13:26

Acharya wrote:THis is being taken as a war and that too escalting into a nuke war. It is this kind of absurd thinking in Pak which needs careful watch and US may need more control on Pak.


We must get over our habit of turning towards US when it comes to dealing with bakis, more importantly our policy has moved on from NFU to "NFU against non-nuclear states" our NSA himself said that. So we can safely assume that India will carry out a nuclear first strike if it thinks that one is imminent from bakis. There was another news item which quoted some baki army guy saying that US and India have 70% of their stockpile mapped.

So India has BMD capabilities, 70% of baki stockpile mapped, will carry out nuclear first strike in case of an imminent attack.....join the dots.

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Postby Shrinivasan » 04 Feb 2013 08:37

^^^ I WISH THIS WERE TRUE!!! Unfortunately I don't have many data points which can make me come to this conclusion even remotely... If we did not even react forecefully after the beheading, fat chance we will do a nuclear first strike that too pre-emptively before a Pakee attack...
Maybe after CongI's sun-set.

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Postby arun » 06 Feb 2013 21:31

X Posted from the TSP thread.

Drone attacks, a case of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Military incompetence and cowardice on display or rather a case of the connivance of the military and other power elites of the Islamic Republic in violating their own nation’s sovereignty?

Ambassador of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan yesterday proclaiming that the military and power elites of her country are not conniving in helping the US violate their own sovereignty and indeed the power elites of her country disapprove of visits by the national bird:

US drone strikes: There's 'no wink and nod' from Pakistan, ambassador says

Today the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s National Bird carried out yet another of its frequent preiregnations entirely unmolested nothwithstanding the vast amounts of money expended by the taxpayers of Pakistan in obtaining for their military Saab 2000 Erieye and ZDK-03 AEW&C’s, F-16 fighters, Spada 2000 and RBS-70 Bolide SAM’s, AMRAAM AAM’s, AN/TPS 77 Radars etc.

US drone strike kills three in N Waziristan: Express News

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Postby A Sharma » 07 Feb 2013 00:24

16 defence installations attacked since 2009: Defence Secretary

ISLAMABAD: The National Assembly’s standing committee on defence has been informed that defence installations have been attacked sixteen times in the country since 2009.

The meeting of the standing committee was chaired by Azra Fazal Pechuho here on Wednesday. Defence Secretary Lieutenant General (retired) Asif Yasin Malik informed the committee that defence installations have been attacked sixteen times since 2009, adding that the last attacks were in Peshawar and the Kamra airbase.

The Defence Secretary said that in the attack on the Kamra airbase an Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS) plane was destroyed, while ten attackers were also killed.

Asif Yasin further said that all four sides were attacked in Peshawar but fortunately all installations remained safe.

In his briefing, the defence secretary informed the committee that quick response forces had been deployed at all defence installations while action had been taken against army personnel involved in these attacks.

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Postby Aditya_V » 07 Feb 2013 12:45

TTP ki badahi ho, so all the Minor damage reports were wrong, That AEW plane embarced Martyrdom, may some French submarines, Kaafir F-Solah fleet and entire Swedish Saab fleet embrace similar martyrdom :) :D :) :D.

A sharma I am X posting your article in strat forum, so all can see the good news

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Postby arun » 08 Feb 2013 21:15

arun wrote:X Posted from the TSP thread.

Drone attacks, a case of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Military incompetence and cowardice on display or rather a case of the connivance of the military and other power elites of the Islamic Republic in violating their own nation’s sovereignty?

Ambassador of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan yesterday proclaiming that the military and power elites of her country are not conniving in helping the US violate their own sovereignty and indeed the power elites of her country disapprove of visits by the national bird:

US drone strikes: There's 'no wink and nod' from Pakistan, ambassador says

Today the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s National Bird carried out yet another of its frequent preiregnations entirely unmolested nothwithstanding the vast amounts of money expended by the taxpayers of Pakistan in obtaining for their military Saab 2000 Erieye and ZDK-03 AEW&C’s, F-16 fighters, Spada 2000 and RBS-70 Bolide SAM’s, AMRAAM AAM’s, AN/TPS 77 Radars etc.

US drone strike kills three in N Waziristan: Express News


X Posted from the TSP thread.

Iranians disclose that drones were operating from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as recently as December 2011. So much for mealy mouthed Pakistani protests regards drones.

AFP via Express Tribune:

Video from US drone captured by Iran shows it landing in Pakistan

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Postby arun » 09 Feb 2013 07:40

X Posted from the ISI History and Discussion thread.

The uniformed Jihadi’s of the Military in particular the Aabpara based Inter Services Intelligence Directorate (ISI / ISID) who undersee when not overseeing the running of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan are annoyed with the Toronto Sun because of articles by Tarek Fatah and have blockd access to its website:

Pakistani-Canadian columnist Tarek Fatah, an unsparing critic of Pakistan who writes for the Toronto Sun, expressed in his own words that the decision to block the Sun‘s website “is definitely politically motivated and it does no credit to the current administration in the national capital Islamabad.”

Fatah further said, “I have had it confirmed for me by an extremely senior member of the government. I have the tweet where he outlined why the firewall has been imposed.”

“The tweet says, when asked why the Sun has been blocked: ‘Your criticism and exposure of Fauji-Jihadi shenenigans. Decision from Aabpara.’”

Fatah interpreted this tweet as a nod towards the military. He added, “That clearly shows that this banning decision has been made by the Pakistan military. It is they who really run Pakistan.”


From here:

Toronto Sun website blocked in Pakistan

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Postby Avarachan » 09 Feb 2013 09:00

Some of the comments on the "Tribune" article are hilarious. Check out the first one, by "Uzair":

http://tribune.com.pk/story/504566/toro ... -pakistan/
Here’s a tip to the interior ministry, malik rehman, the government of pakistan, and all those who comprise the mullahcratic islamic republic of Pakistan: Please ban talking, dreaming, writing, and while you are at it, thinking as well. After all “blasphemous” thoughts and words are the root cause of our not progressing and the lack of food and overpopulation and illness and everything else.

:rotfl:

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Postby krishnan » 13 Feb 2013 16:39

one comment from above link

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You pakistanis,When r you blocking access to TOI?Curious to know.


now own up :mrgreen:

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby arun » 18 Feb 2013 21:25

Ukraine's State run arms exporter Ukrspetsstroi reports concluding a contract for the supply of 110 tank power plants manufactured at the Kharkov-based Malyshev Plant to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Ukraine to Deliver 110 Battle Tank Engines to Pakistan

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Postby rohitvats » 18 Feb 2013 23:53

arun wrote:Ukraine's State run arms exporter Ukrspetsstroi reports concluding a contract for the supply of 110 tank power plants manufactured at the Kharkov-based Malyshev Plant to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Ukraine to Deliver 110 Battle Tank Engines to Pakistan


I have been waiting for this news item for quite some time.

The production of their AL-Khalid tank is stuck because they had run out of engines contracted initially for these tanks. As per my research, PA has about 305 Al-Khalid tanks - after accounting for tanks held by production plant + those for training at their armor school + reserves per regiment, there should be about 5 regiments equipped with Al-Khalid Tanks.

The calculation is based on 45 Tanks/Regiment and 10 reserves per regiment. Other possibility is that they have no reserves per regiment and about 6 Regiments.

IMO, the 2 (I) Armored Bde under V Corps, Karachi is all Al-Khalid Brigade.

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Postby arun » 27 Feb 2013 21:55

Ejaz Haider in an article on Shia’s in the Express Tribune reveals that that the uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic have been stretched by their one time clients, the ununiformed jihadis of the TTP and their ilk. Apparently the operational tempo of the Uniformed Jihadi’s has been stretched to precarious levels:

Fact 1: The total strength of the army is about 550,000 troops. Out of this, around 110,000 are deployed in the operational areas in the west. Approximately 60,000 to 70,000 are deployed along the Line of Control as part of 10 Corps and Force Command Northern Areas. The rest are in peacetime locations, to be mobilised to defend the eastern border when required. Additionally, there are a number of other command and staff duties to be performed.

Fact 2: Armies generally operate on the 33.33 per cent principle. At any time, 33.33 per cent are deployed, the same percentage is in training and equal numbers, more or less, are resting and retrofitting. Pakistan’s internal war has thrown this awry. The deployment has gone up to 44 to 45 per cent, training retains the same percentage and the resting and retrofitting has gone down to about 12 percent. The ops areas tenure has upped from 22 months to over two years and a high percentage of units are now awaiting second and third rotation to the ops areas. Evidently a killer.

Fact 3: The Pakistan Military Academy has had to raise the 4th Pak Battalion because the internal war has taken a heavy toll of young officers. The officer-to-soldier kill ratio is very high, upped from 1:16 to 1:14 and now stands at 1:8. This means a shortage of YOs. (Some officers consider it a matter of pride; I consider it a weakness but that’s a separate topic.)

Corollary: the army is stretched thin. It cannot be everywhere and, quite apart from operations to wrest territory, is not meant to address the problem of urban terrorism. Even the counterterrorism sub-units in the Special Services Group, like the Zarar and Karar companies, are meant for fire-fighting, not gathering intelligence and pre-empting. ……………..


From here:

If a Shia, you are on your own

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Postby Surya » 28 Feb 2013 01:03

b@st@rds are getting a taste of what we went through because of them

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Postby member_23370 » 28 Feb 2013 01:50

Good nice time to arm the shias and Baloch.

http://dawn.com/2013/02/27/us-congressm ... lochistan/

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Postby arun » 28 Feb 2013 20:41

AHRC appeal of three days ago ie: 25th, which discloses the story that the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Occupation Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan had tortured a Kashmiri youth to death by using amongst others an electric drill besides nailing his feet:

PAKISTAN: A young man was tortured to death in military custody in Pakistan Occupied Jammu And Kashmir

More on the story today from the BBC :

Pakistan army begin probe into Kashmir 'torture' death

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby arun » 28 Feb 2013 21:31

The Punjabi dominated Uniformed Jihadi’s of the occupation Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan run amok in Balochistan:

Violence continue as two more Baloch killed in Punjgor

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Postby arun » 05 Mar 2013 19:41

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Military doth protest too much, methinks.

The New York Times (NYT) is reporting that two drone strikes in early February that led to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan lodging an official protest with the US Embassy, was not carried out by the US.

The NYT further reports that the “Americans’ best guess is that one or possibly both of the strikes were carried out by the Pakistani military and falsely attributed to the C.I.A. to avoid criticism from the Pakistani public.”:

U.S. Disavows 2 Drone Strikes Over Pakistan

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby rajanb » 05 Mar 2013 21:41

^^^^
Denial-e-stan :rotfl:

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Shrinivasan » 12 Mar 2013 03:03

don't have a better place to post this, a paki nut job (Ultra-Moron in Ms Fair's view) has written a farticle in response to Ms Fair's article on Cashmere... read it here http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2013/03/12/comment/columns/how-india-gobbled-kashmir/

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Postby arun » 12 Mar 2013 07:29

The blowback from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s policy of fomenting Mohammadden Terrorism in order to target India, continues.

In a bout of Green on Green Intra-Mohammadden violence, the Ununiformed Jihadi’s take on their mentors, the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, by way of a demonstration of the IEDology of Pakistan:

Pak Army captain, two soldiers killed in IED blast in Orakzai region

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Postby arun » 12 Mar 2013 21:39

X Posted from the Islamism News and Analyses thread.

In a display of one of the more medieval practices of the Mohammadden religion, a Uniformed Jihadi of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan gets stoned to death for attempting to elope:

Man Reportedly Stoned To Death In Pakistan

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Postby Baikul » 14 Mar 2013 18:08

^^ Just another day in paradise.

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Postby nits » 14 Mar 2013 18:35

Pak parliament passes resolution against Afzal Guru's hanging

Trying to fish in troubled waters, Pakistan's parliament on Thursday passed a resolution condemning the hanging of Afzal Guru and demanded the return of his body to his family. Two days before it completes its five-year term, the National Assembly or lower house of parliament passed the resolution moved by Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman, who heads a special parliamentary panel on Kashmir.

Besides condemning the hanging of Guru, 2001 Parliament attack convict, the resolution expressed concern at the situation created in Jammu and Kashmir by the execution.

The house called for Guru's body to be handed over to his family. Guru was hanged and buried within Tihar Jail in Delhi on February 9. The parliamentary resolution further said the international community should not remain as silent spectators in efforts to find a solution to the Kashmir dispute.

It said steps should be taken to implement the United Nations Security Council's resolutions on the Kashmir issue. The resolution called for an end to alleged killings in Jammu and Kashmir and the removal of the Army from towns and cities of the Kashmir Valley. It further said all prisoners should be freed, "black laws" repealed and curfew withdrawn from the region.


This is intresting; they pass resolution for afzal who was a Indian National and they remain mute for Kasab who was a Paki... Hillarious :rotfl:


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