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Postby Kartik » 26 Sep 2014 15:53

In the backdrop of that news article, there is suspicion that one of the primary Paki missile collaborators is planning on a SLBM..I wouldn't be surprised if the Pakis were to be deeply involved in the NoKo project to allow them to modify their Agosta class subs to be able to launch a SLBM.

US and South Korean sources suggest North Korea has SLBM ambitions

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Pyongyang's possible pursuit of a nuclear SLBM also suggests that it has little desire or intention to eliminate its nuclear weapons capability, the goal of the stalled 'Six-Party Talks', and could also pose proliferation challenges given its well-established missile technology co-operation with countries such as Pakistan and Iran.


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Postby Kartik » 30 Sep 2014 10:03

Paki US MRAP deal likely to win approval

They've put forward the begging bowl for MRAPs..perhaps these are surplus stocks that the US was going to leave behind in Afghanistan. Wasn't India also supposed to be negotiating for the surplus MRAPs? Would've been useful in J&K..

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Postby Thakur_B » 30 Sep 2014 21:26

Kartik wrote:Paki US MRAP deal likely to win approval

They've put forward the begging bowl for MRAPs..perhaps these are surplus stocks that the US was going to leave behind in Afghanistan. Wasn't India also supposed to be negotiating for the surplus MRAPs? Would've been useful in J&K..


There are about 5-6 different types of MRAPs available in domestic market alone, almost all of South African origin. Moreover BEL is selling IED jammers to accompany them. No need for US mil surp equipment.

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Postby member_26622 » 01 Oct 2014 09:28

Actually this might be good news - More US equipment given to Pakis means less budget available on Chinese imports - just consider cost of spares and maintenance.

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Postby Shrinivasan » 01 Oct 2014 11:10

nik wrote:Actually this might be good news - More US equipment given to Pakis means less budget available on Chinese imports - just consider cost of spares and maintenance.
why so, these might be gifted along with their spares and documentation... Khan is in a big hurry, they might even throw in a full tank of fuel. More than just the usage of there MRAPs, the bigger worry is how the pakees would jury rig these for various uses and how the Chinese would take these apart and study to make 50 variants (and supply these to the pigs)

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Postby Shrinivasan » 01 Oct 2014 21:20

parshuram wrote:Bandar Crash?
From the location of the crash, it looks like a crash during an operation in FATA (maybe returning to its base in Quetta PAF Sumungli).

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Postby Ganesh_S » 01 Oct 2014 22:32

parshuram wrote:Bandar Crash?



Either JF17 or F16 for sure. The news would have been confirmed by now had the plane been a Mirage or F7.

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Postby Victor » 01 Oct 2014 23:20

Thakur_B wrote:
Kartik wrote:Paki US MRAP deal likely to win approval

They've put forward the begging bowl for MRAPs..perhaps these are surplus stocks that the US was going to leave behind in Afghanistan. Wasn't India also supposed to be negotiating for the surplus MRAPs? Would've been useful in J&K..


There are about 5-6 different types of MRAPs available in domestic market alone, almost all of South African origin. Moreover BEL is selling IED jammers to accompany them. No need for US mil surp equipment.

These are the MaxPro model which are police type MRAPS and are made by Navistar that Mahindra & Mahindra has a JV with. M&M already makes an excellent MRAP. The pakis need them more than we do with all the green-on-green going on all over the place.

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Postby member_27581 » 02 Oct 2014 01:57

parshuram wrote:Bandar Crash?


"Planned Ejection", Was that also planned during the "operational training mission" or is it some jargon?

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Postby member_20067 » 02 Oct 2014 01:59

http://www.airforce-technology.com/news ... rs-4391269

The Exelis-built AN/ALQ-211(V)9 advanced integrated defensive electronic warfare system (AIDEWS) has been cleared to fly on board the Pakistan Air Force's F-16 fighter aircraft.
The clearance follows completion of the US Air Force's (USAF) Seek Eagle process for aircraft stores certification, which included a series of compatibility flight profile (CFP) missions designed to clear the pod to the F-16's basic limits.
Working in collaboration with the USAF and Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company, the Exelis team evaluated two stores configurations at Eglin Air Force Base, Florida, to capture current and future pod configuration requirements without the need for additional CFP missions.
Exelis integrated electronic warfare systems business vice-president and general manager Joe Rambala said: "The AIDEWS pod provides the US and its allies with a modular, highly capable and cost-effective survivability system for a range of fighter aircraft.
"Achieving this certification will give more pilots access to the system's advanced RF protection and the flexibility to meet the evolving RF threat."

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Postby NRao » 02 Oct 2014 02:28

There are about 5-6 different types of MRAPs available in domestic market alone, almost all of South African origin. Moreover BEL is selling IED jammers to accompany them. No need for US mil surp equipment.


IIRC, the proposed Indian "purchase" of US MRAPs were for the Afghan Army.

Something like the Indian purchase of Russian mil-helos for them too.

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Postby deejay » 02 Oct 2014 10:49

ranjan.rao wrote:
parshuram wrote:Bandar Crash?


"Planned Ejection", Was that also planned during the "operational training mission" or is it some jargon?


When the alternatives have been ruled out and an ejection has to be carried out and if time permits, on such occasion a pilot can plan an ejection - which will be at a safe height and aircraft pointed in a safe direction away from populated and prohibited areas. It is a term used across the globe for copybook ejection, normally occurs with engine failure at safe altitude and failed relight efforts.

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Postby Aditya G » 05 Oct 2014 13:05

MG110 mini-sub. Mfd under license from Cosmos in 80s/90s

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This type of Mini Submarine can be used for various purposes like attacking enemy units in harbour with Frogmen/Charriots, at sea with torpedos, at shore installations by commandos etc. Other uses include mine laying, defensice barrier in shallow waters, advance pickets duties, intelligence gathering etc.

http://www.karachishipyard.com.pk/midge ... DBTUPmSyBo

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Postby Shrinivasan » 07 Oct 2014 05:46

Aditya G wrote:This type of Mini Submarine can be used for various purposes like attacking enemy units in harbour with Frogmen/Charriots, at sea with torpedos
did they ever build these or were they just science projects? if they had indeed built these many years ago it was indeed commendable. Can anyone confimr this?

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Postby Aditya G » 12 Oct 2014 10:18

Improvised armour in FATA ops:

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Which arty piece?

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Postby vaibhav.n » 12 Oct 2014 11:39

^^ That formation sign on the M113 is 7 Div. Anybody in know who is heading ops 11 Corps?? Where is 9 Div?

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Postby Singha » 12 Oct 2014 11:55

Looks like sacks of rice, dal, oil, goat meat can be used as both armour and food thus solving the supply issus.

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Postby kancha » 12 Oct 2014 13:40

vaibhav.n wrote:^^ That formation sign on the M113 is 7 Div. Anybody in know who is heading ops 11 Corps?? Where is 9 Div?

As per wiki, 7 and 9 Divs, both are part of 11 Corps

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Postby vaibhav.n » 12 Oct 2014 16:14

kancha wrote:
vaibhav.n wrote:^^ That formation sign on the M113 is 7 Div. Anybody in know who is heading ops 11 Corps?? Where is 9 Div?

As per wiki, 7 and 9 Divs, both are part of 11 Corps


I have been out of touch with both FATA & NWFP. Correct me if otherwise

FATA is handled by 11 Corps and NWFP by 10 Corps right, AFAIK 7 Div used to be at Miran Shah.

Is 9 Div at Wana or thereabouts?

What do they have at Kurram and Bajaur, they have Corps Reserve Brigades there or local FC units?

Is 17 Div still at Swat or at Malakand?

What about 19 Div and 23 Div?


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Postby Aditya G » 20 Oct 2014 22:05

http://www.usiofindia.org/Article/?pub= ... &ano=2704#

PNS Siddique Commissioned: The Virtues of Dispersal

Commodore Lalit Kapur*



On 03 September 2014, Pakistan’s naval chief Admiral Mohammad Asif Sandila commissioned a new air base PNS Siddique in Turbat, southern Balochistan. This marks another step by Pakistan Navy (PN) toward moving its assets away from the congested city of Karachi, a process which began after the Indian Navy’s attack and bottling up of PN units at Karachi in 1971.

Following the loss of Chittagong, Karachi was Pakistan’s only port. Strategic necessity dictated the creation of small ports with berthing facilities for PN ships at Jiwani, Gwadar, Pasni and Ormara, with reports of a new base at Khor Kalmat, between Pasni and Ormara, in the offing. Ormara eventually became the site for the PN’s second largest naval base (Jinnah Naval Base), commissioned in 2000. It was again in the news when the PN announced in April 2014 that it will shift its entire fleet of diesel-electric submarines there.

Till end August 2014, the PN had only two active Naval Air Stations, PNS Mehran (at Karachi, commissioned in 1975) and PNS Makran (at Pasni, commissioned in 1988). PNS Siddique, the newly commissioned third naval air station, is named after Vice Admiral Haji Mohammad Siddique Choudri, who took over from Rear Admiral Jefford in 1953 as the first Pakistani Naval Officer to become Commander-in-Chief of the PN and led the service for six years.

Located at Turbat, a relatively small town with a population of below 200,000, it is about 90 kms NNW of Pasni and about 117kms NE of Gwadar. The International Airport at Turbat (IATA Code TUK) is connected by air to Muscat, Sharjah, Karachi, Gwadar and Dalbandian. The town is connected by road to Panjgur and Kalat to NW, Pasni to SE and Karachi to the East. There is no rail connectivity.

Turbat has a runway length of 6000ft (1829m), more than sufficient for P-3C Orion (which requires a runway length of about 4250ft at Max Take Off Weight and below 3000ft at Max Landing Weight), Fokker F-27, Hawker 850 and ATR 72-212A fixed wing aircraft flown by the PN as well as its various helicopters. Not much is known yet about the facilities that have been created or which aircraft will be based there. An indicator may come from the press release, which states, “facilities such as the state-of-the-art hospital and educational institutions etc. at PNS Siddique will enable the local populace access to quality services at their doorstep and set of a new era of prosperity in the region”. The existence of these facilities points to a sizable naval contingent at Turbat.

Which aircraft are likely to be based there? The Arabian Sea is around 75-80 kms away from PNS Siddique. As such, any PN aircraft based there would have to waste at least 150 kms of their total range in transiting just to reach and return from their primary operating area, the sea. This consideration would appear to rule out the basing of helicopters from 333 Squadron (Alouette), 222 Squadron (Harbin Z-9EC) or 111 Squadron (Seaking) there. Not that these helicopters cannot use Turbat as a staging base for disaster relief operations in the hinterland; still it makes more sense to keep them at a coastal base and stage them through Turbat for peacetime operations.

Similarly, Turbat would appear to be unsuitable for anti-ship strike aircraft flown by PN pilots on the Mirage V’s owned by the PAF and currently based at Masroor. The Mirages are to be replaced by Chinese JF-17’s next year, but Turbat is too far from potential operating areas, which would have to be in Indian waters. Given the density of traffic in the nearby Persian Gulf and attendant difficulties in identification, permanent basing of strike aircraft at Turbat is unlikely. This leaves the Orions belonging to PN’s 28 Squadron, the Fokker F-27’s belonging to 27 Squadron and the ATR 72-212A, Atlantic and Hawker aircraft belonging to 29 Squadron. Any of these aircraft could be based at Turbat.

A complicating factor is the destruction of two P 3C Orions (Tail Nos 84 and 87) by Tehrik-i-Taliban terrorists at PNS Mehran on 22 May 2011. The crowded environs of Karachi were subsequently adjudged as indefensible against terrorist attack and reports indicate that the remaining Orions may have been shifted to Pasni. However, Pasni is on the coast and has its own vulnerabilities, particularly to a strike from the sea. The eventual basing of P-3C Orions as well as other long range aircraft at Turbat, sufficiently inland to preclude a commando raid but not so far as to make an appreciable difference in their time on task, would appear to make eminent sense. Certainly any new face in a relatively small town would be easier to identify and track than in a bustling metropolis like Karachi.

Dispersal has certainly complicated the Indian Navy’s tasks, but the induction of new technology and equipment still keeps a successful strike within the bounds of possibility. What is certain is that Indian Naval planners will watch developments at Turbat and PNS Siddique with considerable interest.



*Commodore Lalit Kapur was Chief Staff Officer in Headquarters Offshore Defence Advisory Group, Mumbai, from where he retired in October 2010. He has been Defence Advisor, Embassy of India, Muscat in April 1999, with concurrent accreditation to the UAE, Qatar and Bahrain. Commodore Kapur was also First Deputy Assistant Chief of Integrated Defence Staff at the Defence Intelligence Agency. In 2007, he moved to Headquarters Strategic Forces Command as the Principal Director (Systems).

(Article uploaded on September 19, 2014).

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Postby arun » 21 Oct 2014 11:00

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Retired Uniformed Jihadi of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan Brigadier Shaukat Qadir spins grand conspiracy story behind India’s robust reaction to Pakistani provocations while claiming he does not believe in conspiracy theories. Qadir spins a conspiracy story that India is supposed to be in cahoots with Imran Khan and Tahir ul Qadri to stop P.R.Chinese investments and economic recovery in the Islamic Republic while going on to claim he does believe in conspiracy theories despite spinning one. :-? :lol: :

While I am not a conspiracy-theorist, I am also not a believer in coincidences. Certainly not in too many of them. It is too much to believe that all this came together by coincidence.

Just as Pakistan is gaining ground in its largest military operation against the Taliban and seems to be ready to begin a slight economic recovery and receive investments from China, Imran Khan and Tahir Ul Qadri arrived in Islamabad to create a distraction and ensure that the economic recovery stalled.

India also cancelled the secretary-level talks that it had sought. Then it followed that development with unnecessarily aggressive statements and, finally, it has been heating up the LOC.

There has to be method in this apparent madness. But is there a hidden hand behind the scene that is coordinating these coincidences? I don’t know, but I am beginning to believe that there might be.


The National:

Kashmir: Any ‘distraction’ could be catastrophic for Pakistan

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Postby Yagnasri » 21 Oct 2014 11:09

:rotfl: As if Pakiland is heaven. Do they still believe they can do bad than this??? :rotfl:

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Postby NRao » 22 Oct 2014 06:53

Oh Lord, what is this world coming to?

Pakistani Taliban Fires Spokesman Over ISIS Pledge of Allegiance

Jihad on Jihad!!!!!

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Postby arun » 22 Oct 2014 10:47

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

shiv wrote:


Amazing,

BSF lobs tens of thousands of mortar-e-shells and bullets into shitland and no one knows exactly how many were pest-e-shaheedized. Fizzleaya conducts one raid and exactly 30 killed is known within hours.

Exactly who is stupid? Me? Or the media reporting this? Or do Pakis think everyone is an idiot/


The Occupation Army mentality of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan yet again on full display. Not for them the tactics of the Indian Army in combatting Mohammadden Insurgency in Jammu & Kashmir which eschews use of disproportionate force such as aerial bombing against misguided citizens. For the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, the tactics of choice are those of Occupation Armies like the US in Afghanistan and Iraq.

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Postby vaibhav.n » 24 Oct 2014 16:47

Poor chaps seem to be getting it left and right!! :mrgreen:

Pakistan and Iran exchange mortar fire on border

The Chinese won't be too far behind the way things are going with ETIM.

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Postby member_20453 » 27 Oct 2014 13:51

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/ ... indi_1.php

AQIS, made a report of its own on the attack on Sept 6, as per them they came very close to achieving their goal, I think truth somewhere in the middle. PN is slowly falling apart from the inside.

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Postby K Mehta » 27 Oct 2014 15:13

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Is that a recoilless gun or field gun? Also see the different guns being used. What is that gun with strap like thing in the 2nd from last.

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Postby Aditya_V » 27 Oct 2014 16:15

Septimus P. wrote:http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/09/al_qaeda_in_the_indi_1.php

AQIS, made a report of its own on the attack on Sept 6, as per them they came very close to achieving their goal, I think truth somewhere in the middle. PN is slowly falling apart from the inside.


After years of using South asia, an American journal uses Indian subcontinent for this report.

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Postby vikassh » 27 Oct 2014 17:33

K Mehta wrote:Image
Is that a recoilless gun or field gun? Also see the different guns being used. What is that gun with strap like thing in the 2nd from last.


It looks like a recoilless gun and the gun with strap is most likely standard issue rifle of PA - G3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G3

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Postby shiv » 27 Oct 2014 19:04

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Looks like a posed propagandu image to me

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Postby K Mehta » 27 Oct 2014 20:07

Absolutely propagandu pic.
I was asking about the guy right behind the g3 guy, what's that rifle. Also what is that bolt action rifle in front of the mortar?

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Postby negi » 27 Oct 2014 20:14

^ That bolt action gun to be very honest looks like a .22 rifle.

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Postby Singha » 27 Oct 2014 20:37

the way it looks to me, this unit occupies some kind outpost and its job is to periodically fire a few shots randomly to let the frontier people know the Govt is around.
3 types of rifle in such a small unit makes no sense to me.
maybe the 0.22 guy is the unit designated marksman tasked to kill small game like rabbits and chickens to round up meat for the pot every day.

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Postby Aditya G » 27 Oct 2014 22:48

^ an interesting picture for sure.

- What is that spiderweb like taping on the helmets? Some kind of IFF?

- The troop location seems to be a fixed one, as indicated by the sangar. But it does not seem to be on high ground. Rather like a cross-road.

- What effects will a static RCL achieve in this role? AFAIK in the Indian Army they were used (still?) in anti-tank role. Neither is it a shoot and scoot setting.

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Postby Aditya G » 27 Oct 2014 23:00

Septimus P. wrote:http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/09/al_qaeda_in_the_indi_1.php

AQIS, made a report of its own on the attack on Sept 6, as per them they came very close to achieving their goal, I think truth somewhere in the middle. PN is slowly falling apart from the inside.


A second AQIS team was present on board the PNS Aslat "with weapons and explosives." According to the plan, the second cadre of AQIS jihadists was going to "take over" the PNS Aslat, which was "near the shores of Karachi," and "steer it towards Indian waters in order to attack Indian warships with anti-ship missiles." If any ships got in their way, including American warships, then the AQIS crew on board would use the PNS Aslat to attack them instead.

We have already suffered one suicide assault from the sea on 26/11. The involvement of PN officers and sailors was a must for that operation.

I believe IN is in a good position to meet such threats, thanks to force accretions in last 5 years. However, fighting a rogue frigate is another ballgame.

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Postby ravip » 27 Oct 2014 23:11

Even if it is a propagandu pic...they have surely failed to put up there tfta material...they look so sdre to my evil yindoo eyes.

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Postby Gagan » 28 Oct 2014 03:45

That pic was meant to scare all you SDRE's
Instead you guys are mocking them !!!

Yrrah! Why, Oh Why? did they have to include the air rifle in that picture?


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