Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

All threads that are locked or marked for deletion will be moved to this forum. The topics will be cleared from this archive on the 1st and 16th of each month.
Aditya G
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3507
Joined: 19 Feb 2002 12:31
Contact:

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Aditya G » 02 Dec 2016 01:07

Paul wrote:^PA tactics look like they are derived from Wehrmacht tactics of WWII where the infantry squad ops was centered around the MG34 MMG and the MG42 later.

As I stated earlier, their BAT teams look to be derived from the WWI stormtrooper innovation to gain local advantage in trench warfare.

So they have thinkers in their infantry schools too.


Pakis are ambushing our section sized patrols in the open.

Austin
BRF Oldie
Posts: 23387
Joined: 23 Jul 2000 11:31

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Austin » 02 Dec 2016 11:11

Taxila Heavy Industries from Pakistan announced the development of Al Khalid 2 main battle tank

http://www.armyrecognition.com/ideas_20 ... 11165.html

Mihir
BR Mainsite Crew
Posts: 880
Joined: 14 Nov 2004 21:26

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Mihir » 02 Dec 2016 20:11

Their approach is more defensive then offensive, Indian Army on other hand focus primarily on mobility of solider and demand on light equipment.

The difference is clearly can be seen in even small formation of both armies, One use MG3 other use bren MG, In Indian Army individual solider from squad use bren and carry its ammunition on its own, On other hand Pakistani Army have MG crew even in squad who carry its ammunition and other equipment, Their squad is around Machine guns crews and platoon is around MG squads, The idea is to provide suppressive fire in interlocking firezone, ( MG-3 is not a accurate weapon but a very fast firing gun design for suppresive fire, It eats away 100rnd belt in just 4 burst within 5 secs, It also need to change barrel when used very frequently, Crew always carry spare barrels with them, In combat changing barrel and feeding ammunition frequently is a big headache for any MG crew ).

The whole idea of defense is around MGs, Other mostly in squad are busy supplying ammunition to MG for continues firing and when this MG and its crew is taken out, The other member of squad basically have nothing else to do but have two options in sense of task and as well as physiologically.

1. Stand ground and defend with issued rifle.
2. Retreat and regroup.

Mostly the latter is always in motion, As seen in Kargil war.

=================

Indian Army on other hand issues rifle to every soldier and LMG / RL / Mortar to specific soldiers depends on situation, When in combat everyone in the squad aims unlike one or two from other side with just MG, Even with Bren a solider can snipe ( shoot at someone from a hiding place, especially accurately and at long range) , So even one or three are down other will continue the battle both in defense and offense.



I have a hard time believing this. The LMG/GPMG has been the core element of squad firepower in practically every Army since World War II. Riflemen do not, and cannot, aim in order to score a hit with every shot taken; it's impossible when the enemy is firing from cover. The idea is for the MG to lay down a heavy base of fire and riflemen to either advance on the enemy or defend the gun crew. In IA infantry battalions, each rifle platoon is organised into three sections. Each section has a three-man support group that mans the LMG and RL if necessary and a seven-man assault group of riflemen. There is an large emphasis on marksmanship, but individual marksmanship - that too with a semi-auto/burst-fire rifle - is not seen as a substitute for sustained suppressive fire.

Also, the belt-fed GPMG isn't a defensive weapon. It was first built to equip a squad on the offensive with the power of a fixed, heavy machine gun. The Germans who pioneered the concept used it with great success in the WW-II in offensive as well as defensive actions. The Pakistani Army's approach may be defensive, but that's not why belt-fed GPMGs were preferred over magazine-fed LMGs.

Hope someone more knowledgeable like rohitvats or vaibhav.n can clarify.
Last edited by Mihir on 03 Dec 2016 19:31, edited 1 time in total.

nachiket
Forum Moderator
Posts: 8167
Joined: 02 Dec 2008 10:49

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby nachiket » 03 Dec 2016 06:35

^^Yeah, that post made no sense. Even the US army exclusively uses belt-fed machine guns (M249 or M60). And their holdings of these weapons per platoon is much higher than an IA platoon. Does that mean they are also defensively oriented? I have wondered why we never switched to the FN MAG from the ancient Bren. Cost I guess.

Paul
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3616
Joined: 25 Jun 1999 11:31
Contact:

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Paul » 03 Dec 2016 08:53

IA values accuracy over firepower. Mag fed MGs have better accuracy over belt fed ones.

Manish_P
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2491
Joined: 25 Mar 2010 17:34

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Manish_P » 03 Dec 2016 12:59

Both belt fed and Magazine fed LMGs/GPMGs have their own pros and cons which is why several armies use both depending on the situation and quite a few manufacturers make the guns adaptable for both belt and magazine feed use. Normally the conversion has to happen at the armorer back at base, though some new ones come with on-field conversion which the soldiers can do on the field on their own

The real warriors have to take into account un-glamourus things like weight, logistics and on-field adaptability (which could include using ammo from your buddy soldiers)

It is extremely rare for real soldiers in real firefights to empty magazines (belt/box) in full auto mode. Besides Barrel heating there are other problems like jams, belt twisting or breakage, spring of the box magazine failing etc happening more times than the users would like.

On a very very general level. Belt fed - Better for sustained fire, usually heavier (partly to dampen recoil) and less portable, normally set for higher spread of fire, bit more time consuming to reload. Mag fed - Lighter, usually set for more narrower spread of fire, assembly more similar to automatic rifles

'Use the right tool for the right job' as the saying goes..

Thakur_B
BRFite
Posts: 1796
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Thakur_B » 03 Dec 2016 13:36

nachiket wrote:^^Yeah, that post made no sense. Even the US army exclusively uses belt-fed machine guns (M249 or M60). And their holdings of these weapons per platoon is much higher than an IA platoon. Does that mean they are also defensively oriented? I have wondered why we never switched to the FN MAG from the ancient Bren. Cost I guess.


Weight mostly. The whole squad moves only as fast as the M60 gunner.

Makes you realise the genius of PKM design. Not adopting PKM was a mistake imho.

Austin
BRF Oldie
Posts: 23387
Joined: 23 Jul 2000 11:31

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Austin » 05 Dec 2016 15:36

US Defence Bill Pledges $ 900 Million To Pakistan
Islamabad: The US House of Representative has passed a defence bill that pledges $ 900 million in economic and other assistance to Pakistan, a significant portion of which is dependent of a Pentagon certification that the country is taking demonstrable steps against the dreaded Haqqani Network.

The US National Defence Authorisation Act for fiscal year 2017 was passed in the House of Representatives yesterday.

The bill limits the overall amount available for reimbursement to $ 1.1 billion, of which $ 900 million is available for reimbursement to Pakistan.

It extends Congressional notification and certification requirements regarding reimbursements to Pakistan. The bill specifies that certain reimbursements to Pakistan are ineligible for a national security waiver unless Department of Defense makes specified certifications regarding the activities of Pakistan with respect to the Haqqani Network.

According to Dawn newspaper, the bill conditions $ 450 million from this assistance to a certification.

This year the amount was $ 300 million, which was not released after Defence Secretary Ashton Carter refused to certify in Pakistan's favour.

The bill is schedule for a vote in the Senate next week. Since it is a consensus bill, it is unlikely to face any opposition.

The bill notes that "the United States and Pakistan continue to have many critical shared interests, both economic- and security-related, which could be the foundation for a positive and mutually beneficial partnership."

In a conference report, which combines the House and Senate versions of a legislation, Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee John McCain had underlined the importance of a continued relationship between the United States and Pakistan.

He noted that the bill "refocuses security assistance to Pakistan on activities that directly support US national security interests".

shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 34982
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby shiv » 05 Dec 2016 21:16

BhookaNangastan to buy half million new rifles
https://warisboring.com/pakistan-is-abo ... .mdgvzvxku

Aditya G
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3507
Joined: 19 Feb 2002 12:31
Contact:

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Aditya G » 06 Dec 2016 01:36

^ Pak Army is late to the party as we already moved on to 5.56mm

(and now looking for a way back to 7.62 :mrgreen: )

arun
BRF Oldie
Posts: 10248
Joined: 28 Nov 2002 12:31

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby arun » 07 Dec 2016 15:31

X Posted from the “Pakistani Role In Global Terrorism” thread.

Former US Army Vice Chief of Staff (1999-2003) General John M. Keane in testimony to the US Senate Committee on Armed Services confirms the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting ways of the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. In testimony to a hearing on “Emerging U.S. Defense Challenges and Worldwide Threats”, Gen, Keane testifies that “Two Taliban sanctuaries exist in Pakistan where the Pakistan military provides intelligence, training, and logistics assistance to enhance the Taliban operational performance while providing continuous safe haven.”

See here: Clicky

Aditya G
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3507
Joined: 19 Feb 2002 12:31
Contact:

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Aditya G » 13 Dec 2016 01:43

Cdr. Abhijit Singh;

An excellent commentary of PN's capabilities as of 2016 in light of submarine incursion episode, with some nuggets on IN's own strategy.

http://www.orfonline.org/research/pakis ... ambitions/

India’s maritime watchers have had much to talk about lately. A few days after it held a bilateral exercise with the People’s Liberation Army-Navy (PLAN) in the Northern Arabian Sea, the Pakistan Navy claimed its “anti-submarine” assets had prevented an Indian submarine from entering Pakistani waters. The military’s public relations wing announced that on 14 November, antisubmarine units of the Pakistan Navy detected an Indian submarine close to the Pakistani territorial sea and promptly “drove it away.” The next day, India rejected Pakistan’s claim, terming it a “pack of blatant lies.” Even as New Delhi was coming to grips with the grave accusation, however, the media reported that Islamabad had invited the Chinese Navy to join its own ships in securing Gwadar port, presumably against the threat of an Indian attack.

This delirium from Islamabad should not be a surprise. Since September this year, when the Indian Army carried out surgical strikes across the line of control in Kashmir, Pakistan’s naval commanders have been nervous about an Indian naval buildup in the Arabian Sea. In the aftermath of the latest cross border exchange of fire, as the Indian navy embarked on a series of combat exercises on its Western sea-front, Pakistan has been expecting an escalation in maritime tensions. The Pakistan Navy’s claim of detecting an Indian submarine in Pakistani waters appears to be a manifestation of a deep-seated paranoia over an Indian naval encirclement of Karachi. Since 1971, when Indian missile boats carried out a daring attack on Pakistan’s premier maritime hub, destroying a significant portion of the naval fleet and harbour facilities, Pakistani admirals have feared another assault at their strategic nerve center. With tensions and tempers running high, Pakistan’s naval headquarters is besieged with anxiety over the prospect of another blockade in its near-seas.

For Islamabad’s maritime analysts, however, raising the bogey of an Indian submarine in Pakistani waters is an effective way of projecting a robust front. Navies know well that the presence of a foreign submarine just outside their territorial waters is par-for-the-course during an operational standoff with a rival force. India, however, has traditionally eschewed deploying submarines close to the Makran coast in a conscious bid to avoid an inadvertent skirmish, which could potentially spiral into a full-blown conflict. Both during the Kargil conflict (Operation Vijay in 1999) and Operation Parakram (2001), it was the Indian surface fleet that laid siege at a considerable distance away from Pakistan’s littoral seas, not submarines. Besides, Pakistan now has a robust multi-tiered coastal defence grid — including shore based radars, coastal missile batteries (YJ-62s), air-reconnaissance (P-3Cs)/ strike aircraft (JF-17s with C-802 missiles), and even a coastal marine force which makes Indian submarine operations in the proximity of the Makran coast, an extremely risky proposition.

India’s maritime thinkers say that the Indian Navy has never meant to use its undersea assets to aggressively bait Pakistan’s naval forces. To the contrary, the Indian approach has been confined to posturing in the Arabian Sea in times of political tension, limited to the use of its surface fleet for the purposes of deterrence. Pakistan’s naval commanders, however, realise that the image of an Indian submarine in Pakistani waters can be galvanising force. It could (and perhaps, to a degree, did), unite the military behind a common objective: forestalling any Indian incursion into Pakistani waters. This is one reason why the Pakistan Navy, as part of its modernisation plans, has chosen to emphasise submarine warfare and strategic deterrence. Serving and retired Pakistan Navy officers have in recent years raised the pitch for a stronger submarine force, including a nuclear deterrent at sea. Since October this year, when India operationalised a nuclear triad, reportedly commissioning its first ballistic missile nuclear submarine, the INS Arihant, Pakistan’s maritime analysts are convinced that the strategic equilibrium in the western Indian Ocean has shifted decisively in India’s favour. Mohammad Azam Khan, the main author of the Pakistan’s new maritime strategy even believes that the Arihant has been active in waters close to Pakistan’s coast gathering operational information — an unreasonable claim, given that nuclear missile submarines are rarely ever used for tactical missions such as intelligence collection.

India’s Arihant, however, has become a good excuse for the Pakistan Navy to make a case for its own nuclear missile submarines. Pakistan’s maritime watchers now claim that the navy has been ready for a sea based nuclear weapon ever since the establishment of the naval nuclear authority in 2013.

While claims of an Indian submarine near Pakistani waters help in making a stronger case for a nuclear deterrent, Islamabad’s maritime establishment believes that the nautical deficit vis-à-vis India must ultimately be overcome through a strategic compact with China. There is widespread consensus in Pakistan that in order to protect its equities in the Western Indian Ocean, the Pakistan Navy must collaborate with China in containing growing Indian maritime influence. China has come to dominate Pakistan’s strategic imagination so much that at the inauguration the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) last week, the standout feature was the joint Pakistan Navy-PLAN exercise off the Makran coast. At a time when the Pakistani prime minister and army chief were attending a military drill close to the India-Pakistan border, many saw a joint Pakistan-China naval drill in the Arabian Sea as being deeply symbolic.

Beijing has yet to officially react to media reports of Islamabad’s bid to get a squadron of PLAN warships placed at Gwadar. However, an article in the Chinese state-controlled Global Times said that the benefits of Gwadar Port to the Chinese economy were limited, both on account of inadequate port capacity, as well as the economic and geographical infeasibility of a proposed pipeline to deliver oil and gas to western China. This suggests that even if the PLAN does deploy warships at Gwadar, it would a move aimed solely at assisting Pakistan’s maritime agencies in securing the near-littorals.

Oddly enough, Pakistan’s maritime plans do not figure prominently in New Delhi’s nautical calculus. India’s maritime analysts have a pronounced eastern bias and tend to focus excessively on the Chinese challenge in the Eastern Indian Ocean. While China’s plan to supply the Pakistan Navy with eight S-20 (export version of Type 39 and Type 41) submarines is often a subject of discussion, Indian observers seem surprisingly dispassionate about Pakistan’s naval buildup in Western subcontinental littorals.

New Delhi should be worried though. For one, China may already have begun construction of the first set of submarines for Pakistan, even as the infrastructure for building the remaining four at Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works (KSEW) is being put in place. Given China’s track record of efficient delivery, these boats will likely enter service during the next decade. Not just on account of their sophisticated sensors and high-tech weaponry, but merely in terms of sheer numbers, the new submarines would confer the Pakistan Navy with an edge over the Indian navy, tilting the tactical power balance in favour of Pakistan.

Islamabad’s offer to Beijing for the PLAN to use Pakistan’s naval facilities in Gwadar further alters the strategic equation in the western Indian Ocean. After it opened a logistics base in Djibouti last year, China has been on the lookout for a suitable pretext to expand its naval presence in littoral South Asia. Piracy off the coast of Somalia provided Beijing with an excuse to send submarines in the Indian Ocean, but the PLAN still wasn’t sure about basing warships in Pakistan. Beijing believed that even while it needs maritime bases in the Indian Ocean to protect its investments and infrastructure projects along the Maritime Silk Route (President Xi Jinping’s grand strategic initiative in the Indo-Pacific), a Chinese naval outpost on the Pakistan coast would be a bridge too far, confirming Indian fears of a Chinese “string of pearls” strategy in the Indian Ocean. Mindful of Indian objections, especially in the wake of the PLAN’s first maritime base in Djibouti, China then politely refused Pakistan’s suggestion. But the CPEC now has handed Beijing the perfect alibi to build a base in Gwadar, further skewing the strategic equilibrium in the regional littorals in China’s favour.

While the China-Pakistan maritime nexus is being proactively shaped by the Pakistan Navy, its wider maritime strategy has escaped scrutiny in New Delhi. Indian analysts believe that the Pakistan Navy still follows a “sea-denial” mode of operations in its near-seas, but there is some evidence to suggest that the operational template has changed overtime.

In recent years, the Pakistan Navy has embarked on an expansion of its maritime operational space. The development of new naval facilities at Ormara, Pasni, and Jiwani has provided the force with viable options for dispersing its assets. Alternate basing facilities away from Karachi have, in fact, acted as catalysts for a more assertive posture in Pakistan’s near-seas. Reports suggest that the ongoing revision of its maritime strategy is meant to introduce an aggressive streak in its naval operations. The presence of a joint Pakistan-China maritime squadron at Gwadar indicates that the Pakistan Navy is planning for a “limited sea-control” strategy in its near-littorals. Focused otherwise on the safety of sea lanes and the defence of the sovereign waters, the new maritime strategy is likely to advocate a more assertive posture to repel an Indian offensive.

As things stand, submarine operations and aerial surveillance are likely to constitute the mainstay of Pakistan’s emerging strategy at sea. But the land-attack cruise missiles and heavy torpedoes on the new submarines, as well Chinese catamaran Fast Attack Craft, all suggest the Pakistan Navy might also be developing a template for littoral operations in the Arabian Sea. The recent commissioning of a new VLF transmitter station in Sindh does indicate a shift towards prolonged submarine operations and a sea-control strategy in Pakistan’s near seas.

It is the prospect of a naval nuclear deterrent in Pakistan’s maritime strategy that has the gravest implications for India. In 2013, a sea-based version of the indigenously built nuclear capable Babur — cruise missile was developed for launch from the old Khalid class (Agosta 90B) submarines. With a stated policy of “first-use” of nuclear weapons against India, Pakistan does not really need a sea-based nuclear deterrent. The Pakistan Navy, however, wants strategic parity with India in the Western Indian Ocean. Its rhetoric of “Indian aggression” in Pakistani waters is meant solely to push for a second-strike capability, which Pakistani admirals believe will correct the prevailing strategic imbalance.

The advocacy of a sea-based deterrent also elevates the Pakistan Navy’s stature vis-à-vis the Pakistan Army, which traditionally dominates the security establishment. A sea-based nuclear option also gives senior naval officers greater leverage within the Pakistani security establishment. The Pakistan Navy’s power-driven aspirations, however, do not detract from the futility of what is essentially a risky and costly experiment. The combination of dangerous delusions, soaring ambitions and a fatal nuclear obsession could spark another round of strategic brinkmanship in South Asia, with disastrous consequences for regional security.

This commentary originally appeared in War on the Rocks.

tsarkar
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3263
Joined: 08 May 2006 13:44
Location: mumbai

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby tsarkar » 13 Dec 2016 12:56

I'm very curious how a Ukrainian derived Chinese/Pakistani missile with a length of 6.2 meters and diameter 0.52 meters achieves 700 km range. If they've reverse engineered a super duper propellant, then why are their other systems not leveraging it?

The real reason for the VLF facility, along with acquisition of 8 submarines is that PN sees submarine arm as counter to IN surface fleet blockade and the communication facility will share Chinese satellite information to prowling submarines with limited sensor capability.

We need to boost our submarine numbers and invest in more ASW aircraft and fighter escorts.

Philip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 21166
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: India

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Philip » 13 Dec 2016 18:33

The Chinese are past masters at copying,adapting,improving, anything of value. Their motto,"beg,borrow,or steal",usually the latter.Let's not smirk at the Sino-Paki JV.It has produced 70 JF-17s in service with the PAF.Modest they may be,but they're flying and being produced at the rate of 16/yr to be raised to 24. Is there any Indian fighter aircraft-perhaps the MKI being produced at that rate by HAL? In fact Nasik and Bangalore should be producing at least 40+ aircraft /yr. In fact a third aircraft manufacturing unit should be set up.The GOI can generously fund it as they are doing with the DPSUs,if nit in the pvt. sector then at one of the IAF's BRDs.

The Pakis are perhaps two decades behind us in general. But in the case of conventional AIP subs,ahead,though we have taken a clear lead in N-sub development and production.With the availability of anything that China is developing,expect a steady qualitative improvement and some transfers of China's latest,so that they can get hands on experience with the Paki mil. against India.

Indranil
Forum Moderator
Posts: 8265
Joined: 02 Apr 2010 01:21

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Indranil » 13 Dec 2016 22:13

Philip wrote:Is there any Indian fighter aircraft-perhaps the MKI being produced at that rate by HAL? In fact Nasik and Bangalore should be producing at least 40+ aircraft /yr. In fact a third aircraft manufacturing unit should be set up.

Paisa feko, tamasha dekho. We have ordered aircrafts at a rate that we can pay for.

Philip wrote:The GOI can generously fund it as they are doing with the DPSUs,if nit in the pvt. sector then at one of the IAF's BRDs.

Asking a private sector/BRD to set up a production line starting with the Su-30s is like asking a 5-year old kid to go straight to university.

Aditya G
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3507
Joined: 19 Feb 2002 12:31
Contact:

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Aditya G » 14 Dec 2016 02:56

Overall Pakistani capability in missile systems is doubtful - going by the sheer number of tests done by them. Unless ofcourse they get everything from China. Oh well.

tsarkar wrote:I'm very curious how a Ukrainian derived Chinese/Pakistani missile with a length of 6.2 meters and diameter 0.52 meters achieves 700 km range. If they've reverse engineered a super duper propellant, then why are their other systems not leveraging it?

The real reason for the VLF facility, along with acquisition of 8 submarines is that PN sees submarine arm as counter to IN surface fleet blockade and the communication facility will share Chinese satellite information to prowling submarines with limited sensor capability.

We need to boost our submarine numbers and invest in more ASW aircraft and fighter escorts.

Bheeshma
BRFite
Posts: 592
Joined: 15 Aug 2016 22:01

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Bheeshma » 14 Dec 2016 23:49

Porkis conducted another barber test. It high time Nirbhay was tested to full range 1500 km. Haram link

http://www.dawn.com/news/1302318/pakist ... se-missile

Philip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 21166
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: India

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Philip » 15 Dec 2016 12:46

Pak sh*tting bricks about Gwadar's security.

Pak Navy raises Task Force-88 for protection of CPEC and Gwadar Port

December 14, 2016 News, Pakistan 0 Comments
Islamabad [Pakistan]: Pakistan Navy has raised a dedicated Naval Task Force-88 for protection of CPEC and Gwadar Port.
The task force would ensure security of Gwadar Port and CPEC in maritime domain.

The Chairman Joint Chief of Staff Committee, General Zubair Mahmood Hayat was the Chief Guest of the Ceremony and was received by Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Muhammad Zakaullah on his arrival.

While addressing the ceremony, Hayat lauded the initiative taken by Pakistan Navy in raising a dedicated Task Force for maritime security of CPEC.
He said that the initiative by Pakistan Navy would contribute significantly towards the success of CPEC.

General Hayat also acknowledged the role being played by Pakistan Navy in ensuring safe and secure maritime environment which is an essential pre-requisite for maritime economy to flourish.

“The role of Pakistan Navy is deeply embedded in the maritime operationalisation of CPEC as it will be required to shoulder greater responsibilities to ensure protection of growing maritime trade and to provide security to our sea lanes”, he said.

Earlier in his address, Vice Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbassi, Deputy Chief of Naval Staff Operations, said that viability and assured dividends of CPEC related projects are intrinsically linked with the security of maritime domain.

He said that providing security to CPEC on land as well as making its maritime prong safe is vital for the projects’ success and in this regard, ensuring maritime security remains an important responsibility of Pakistan Navy which is set to grow in the coming years.

Earlier, during his welcome address, Chairman of GPA thanked Pakistan Navy for ensuring security of Gwadar Port and highlighted the importance of Gwadar Port for the prosperity of Pakistan.

The Chairman also handed over the traditional Command Telescope to the first Commander of Task Force-88, Commodore Muhammad Waris, on the occasion.

The Ceremony was attended by Federal Ministers, Chief of Army Staff, Chief of Air Staff, Chinese Ambassador to Pakistan and other Civil, Military and Foreign Dignitaries. (ANI)

Whatsapp

rkhanna
BRFite
Posts: 1165
Joined: 02 Jul 2006 02:35

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby rkhanna » 15 Dec 2016 15:37

Pak tests Babur with "enhanced targeting capabilities"

From the article

"Pakistan has a lower testing frequency than its neighbour. According to an estimate, India carries out about 2.5 tests to each test conducted by Pakistan. " lol


https://www.dawn.com/news/1302422/impro ... ccessfully

Lalmohan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13262
Joined: 30 Dec 2005 18:28

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Lalmohan » 15 Dec 2016 15:48

^^^ proof that the hindus are 3 x the pure

chola
BRF Oldie
Posts: 5065
Joined: 16 Dec 2002 12:31
Location: USA

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby chola » 15 Dec 2016 16:07

Do they count the chinese tests or just the tests after the green coat of paint was applied?

anupmisra
BRF Oldie
Posts: 8295
Joined: 12 Nov 2006 04:16
Location: New York

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby anupmisra » 15 Dec 2016 21:47

Take that, injuns.

India left behind: Pakistan test-fires cruise missile

Pakistan on Wednesday conducted a successful test of an enhanced version of the indigenously-developed Babur Cruise Missile
The president and the prime minister of Pakistan have also congratulated the scientists and engineers on successful conduct of this missile test. All the efforts by India in this regard failed to produce any result.


Are the chinese laughing at this wild baki claim? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babur_(cruise_missile)

Harami link: https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/172028 ... se-missile


Austin
BRF Oldie
Posts: 23387
Joined: 23 Jul 2000 11:31

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Austin » 17 Dec 2016 10:18

Why Pakistan Does Not Deserve Even One Penny Of Aid - Dana Rohrabacher


wig
BRFite
Posts: 1907
Joined: 09 Feb 2009 16:58

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby wig » 24 Dec 2016 13:37

http://www.dawn.com/news/1304179/us-app ... o-pakistan
NVD devices for pak helicopters
The US Department of Defence has awarded a $284.6 million contract to Lockheed Martin to produce infrared target sight systems for the US Navy and Pakistan, the Pentagon announced on Friday.

The system will be used for the AH-1Z Cobra attack helicopters, which have proved very effective in combats against militants, particularly in difficult terrains. In the US, the AH-1Z Cobra attack helicopter is used by US Marine Corps expeditionary forces.

The TSS incorporates a third-generation forward-looking infrared sensor that provides target sighting in day, night, or adverse weather conditions.

A Pentagon press release describes the TSS system as a large-aperture mid-wave forward-looking infrared sensor with a laser designator/rangefinder turret. It provides the capability to identify and laser-designate targets at maximum weapon range, significantly enhancing platform survivability and lethality.

The company’s Orlando-based missile and fire control unit will produce the sight system in Orlando and Ocala, Florida, through January 2022 for the US Navy and Pakistan under the foreign military sales portion of the award, the Pentagon said.

The contract has a base value of $150.96m but its accumulative cost would go up to $284.6m. The government of Pakistan will pay about 12 per cent of the total cost through an arrangement with the United States under the Foreign Military Sales programme.

In January, Lockheed Martin received a smaller contract of $14m to provide the same target system for Pakistan.

The contracts include software development and testing, system modification, and installation requirements to integrate the TSS into the Cobra helicopters. The TSS provides target information and tracking data for the helicopter, in addition to passive targeting for integrated weapons.

Work on the first contract, performed in Florida, would be completed by December 2017.

Although the United States and Pakistan were once close allies, relations between the two countries strained in 2011, when the United States discovered and eliminated Osama bin Laden at his compound in Abbottabad.

Earlier this year, US lawmakers stalled a deal for providing eight F-16 aircraft to Pakistan after accusing Islamabad of continuing to support the Afghan Taliban.

The US State Department had approved the sale in February but in May it informed Pakistan that it could not provide financial support for buying the aircraft because of congressional restrictions. The lawmakers had stopped the administration from using the so-called Foreign Military Financing (FMF) for assisting Pakistan.

The State Department, however, advised Pakistan to use its national funds if it still wanted to buy the planes. This would have required Islamabad to pay $700m instead of the original $270m, increasing the cost two-and-a-half times.

arun
BRF Oldie
Posts: 10248
Joined: 28 Nov 2002 12:31

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby arun » 01 Jan 2017 11:36

X Posted from the “Baluchistan: The Story of Another Pakistan Military Genocide” thread:

Balochistan war: Pakistan accused over 1,000 dumped bodies :

BBC

Aditya_V
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12518
Joined: 05 Apr 2006 16:25

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Aditya_V » 05 Jan 2017 12:42

Our strategies seem to working

If India makes more long-range ICBMs, Beijing may help Pakistan do the same, says Chinese state media

If the Chinese do this, then Pakistan becomes an Isareli, European, Gulf and Not to Forget Chinese problem, Pakistan will be able to target China with Chinese Missiles. i.e Pakis will get a chance to Blackmail all these and Not only India. and uncle Sam can have a legitimate reason to come down on China.

Pakistan will move from Indian problem to a global problem where even the Chinese masters will be targeted. This move if the Chinese are stupid enough to continue with their stupidity since the 1980's will ensure the shipwrecking of China itself.

Austin
BRF Oldie
Posts: 23387
Joined: 23 Jul 2000 11:31

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Austin » 05 Jan 2017 12:52

Current BM range of PA

Image

Aditya_V
BRF Oldie
Posts: 12518
Joined: 05 Apr 2006 16:25

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Aditya_V » 05 Jan 2017 13:08

I doubt Shaheen -II has that range claimed, even the tests on Arabian sea where for only 800km, other tests tracked by our radars within Pakistan was for 695KM.

The Chinese can talk but let see somthing tested by Pakis southwards towards Antartica for more than 2000km

nits
BRFite
Posts: 1017
Joined: 01 May 2006 22:56
Location: Some where near Equator...

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby nits » 05 Jan 2017 14:37

Aditya_V wrote:Our strategies seem to working

If India makes more long-range ICBMs, Beijing may help Pakistan do the same, says Chinese state media

If the Chinese do this, then Pakistan becomes an Isareli, European, Gulf and Not to Forget Chinese problem, Pakistan will be able to target China with Chinese Missiles. i.e Pakis will get a chance to Blackmail all these and Not only India. and uncle Sam can have a legitimate reason to come down on China.

Pakistan will move from Indian problem to a global problem where even the Chinese masters will be targeted. This move if the Chinese are stupid enough to continue with their stupidity since the 1980's will ensure the shipwrecking of China itself.


And what will Pak do of ICBM's Target China itself or Europe ? Pak already has missiles which can target whole of India. By this move West, Iran and Israel needs to be worried not us :)

Philip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 21166
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: India

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Philip » 06 Jan 2017 19:25

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1284919/awa ... val-chief/
Efforts at hand to acquire warships: naval chief

By Our CorrespondentPublished: January 5, 2017
Naval chief inspects guard of honour during award ceremony. PHOTO: APP

KARACHI: Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Muhammad Zakaullah on Wednesday emphasised that an efficient and strong navy is vital for the protection of Pakistan’s maritime interests.

Addressing Pakistan Navy fleet annual efficiency competition parade and award ceremony, he expressed his complete satisfaction over the professional competence and performance of Pakistan Navy Fleet.

Pakistan Navy considering buying warships from China, Turkey

The naval chief said that acquisition of Hangor class submarines would greatly add to the operational capability of the navy. In addition, he also said that efforts are at hand to acquire modern warships.

Besides the acquisition of modern weapon systems, we should also keep in mind that it is the rigorous training and untiring efforts which can provide us an edge over the enemy,” he stressed.

He said that during last year, Pakistan Navy Fleet participated in various maritime exercises and live weapon firings.

“Active participation of fleet in these operations helped in improving operational plans, material state and operational capabilities of Pakistan Navy,” he added.

He also said that successful missile firings and effectively thwarting of adversary’s submarine attempt of intrusion was also a testimony of PN fleet’s professional capability.

Pakistan Navy undertakes live missile firing along Arabian Sea

Realising the challenges faced to ensure security of Gwadar Port, the Hub of CPEC project, the naval chief also lauded the raising of a dedicated Task Force 88 for CPEC Maritime Security and re-affirmed that the navy will continue to discharge its responsibilities and contribute effectively in ensuring the security of maritime boundaries of Pakistan.

Commander Pakistan Fleet, Vice Admiral Arifullah Hussaini, while presenting an account of the operational achievements of Pakistan Navy Fleet during the year 2016, said that besides successful conduct of major maritime exercises and other operational activities, fleet units actively participated in various multinational as well as bilateral exercises and operational deployments.

Published in The Express Tribune, January 5th, 2017.

Philip
BRF Oldie
Posts: 21166
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: India

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Philip » 06 Jan 2017 19:28

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1243724/ide ... na-turkey/
THE EXPRESS TRIBUNE > PAKISTAN Pakistan Navy considering buying warships from China, TurkeySHARE TWEET
Pakistan Navy considering buying warships from China, Turkey

By Salman SiddiquiPublished: November 25, 2016
KARACHI: Pakistan Navy is considering buying super-fast ships from China and Turkey for its special squadron to be deployed at the Gwadar Seaport for the security purpose, officials said on Thursday.

“A squadron may have four to six warships,” an official of Pakistan Navy told The Express Tribune on the sidelines of the on-going defence exhibition, IDEAS 2016, at the Karachi Expo Centre.

Turkey opts to buy 52 Super Mushshak aircraft from Pakistan

The ships would be bought soon keeping in view their immediate need in the fleet, he said, adding two defence ships have already been deployed at Gwadar. The official said the role of maritime forces has increased in Pakistan since the country has made the Gwadar Seaport operational and speeded up economic activities under the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC).

He said China would also deploy its naval ships in coordination with Pakistan Navy to safeguard the port and trade under the CPEC.

Another official of the naval force added that Pakistan has kicked off the process of establishing the largest shipyard of the region in Gwadar. A similar ship-building project is being deliberated at the Port Qasim in Karachi.

The two advanced shipyards would design and develop ships and other security equipment for Pakistan Navy.

“The existing shipyard, the Pakistan National Shipping Corporation, lacks capacity to meet new requirements of the force. Its [PNSC] performance, however, would improve in competition with the two under consideration,” he said.

He added the PNSC would hand over a large fleet tanker to Pakistan Navy by June 2016 which is being constructed in collaboration with Turkey.

While paying a visit to IDEAS, Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Muhammad Zakaullah said Pakistan Navy is having four dimensional capabilities to face any situation.

“It is capable of giving the best performance on surface, submarine, naval aviation and special services,” he said.

PM, Army chief attend 9th IDEAS exhibition in Karachi

Meanwhile, an official of the Pakistan Air Force said it would soon start the process of manufacturing the next generation fighter aircraft at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra.

At present, they are engaged in increasing the number of JF-17 Thunder aircraft into the air force fleet to 250 from the current 70.
“Intensive technology is being used to make JF-17 Thunder, Super Mushshak and other military hardware,” he said.

Rana Tanveer Hussain, Federal Minister for Defence Production, said defence exports have increased by $75 million to $100 million during the current tenure of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif government.

“When PML-N established its government in 2013, defence exporters were worth only $25 million,” he said.

Published in The Express Tribune, November 25th, 2016.

abhishek_sharma
BRF Oldie
Posts: 9664
Joined: 19 Nov 2009 03:27

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby abhishek_sharma » 09 Jan 2017 18:12

Dunya News Verified account 
‏@DunyaNews
#Pakistan successfully test fires submarine launched cruise missile #Babur-3

tsarkar
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3263
Joined: 08 May 2006 13:44
Location: mumbai

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby tsarkar » 09 Jan 2017 19:01

^^ While the technology transfer from Ukraine to China & Pakistan is definitely disconcerting, we've been firing Klubs from submarines for more than a decade.

Both Pakistan & India fire Exocet and Harpoon from their submarines.

SivaVijay
BRFite
Posts: 136
Joined: 09 Apr 2009 19:23

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby SivaVijay » 09 Jan 2017 19:17

Some Observation on the Video on SM regarding the Paki missile test:
- There are 4 different shots
- The first shot is alleged cruise missile exiting the water , here till the end of that particular shot the missile is still powered by rocket and is not cruising
- The second shot is Babur crossing over to land and then Babur cruising at altitude this can be from any test. But the Missile clearly has red paint
- The last shot is a target destroyed, here if we go frame by frame, the projectile does not look like the missile
So this may be another bluff by Pakis.

abhishek_sharma
BRF Oldie
Posts: 9664
Joined: 19 Nov 2009 03:27

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby abhishek_sharma » 09 Jan 2017 20:20

RAJ ‏@rajfortyseven · 6m6 minutes ago

#Pakistan #SLCM #Babur3 Geo-located CGI 25°20'13"N 64°53'18"E. Missile moves 15kms in 8sec speed 6750kmph.

Lalmohan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13262
Joined: 30 Dec 2005 18:28

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Lalmohan » 09 Jan 2017 21:18

the trouble with ju kaffirs is that ju don't appreciate djinn taknikis...

Prithwiraj
BRFite
Posts: 259
Joined: 21 Dec 2016 18:48

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Prithwiraj » 09 Jan 2017 22:51

They are also claiming it was tested in some undisclosed location in Indian Ocean according to Radio Pakistan :)

http://www.dawn.com/news/1307384/pakist ... ssile-ispr

Lalmohan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 13262
Joined: 30 Dec 2005 18:28

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Lalmohan » 09 Jan 2017 23:35

^^^ mystery of MH370 solved...

Bheeshma
BRFite
Posts: 592
Joined: 15 Aug 2016 22:01

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Bheeshma » 10 Jan 2017 00:10

The K-4 missile is going to be tested soon. The message is to china.


Return to “Trash Can Archive”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 23 guests