Phone, Tablet and Gizmo Thread #0x02

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 12 Oct 2013 16:10

SaiK wrote:Yes high reliability - in the sense, for emergency use.

for IP, google fiber is so far away, and AT&T are still behaving like monopoly... not sure, what can bang into their networks from space, ground and sub surface.

Mort, how much are paying for your land lines? btw, land lines should also be vulnerable on the disaster aspect, but I guess, the backbone bandwidth is consistent, and esepcially on ATM/FR networks. there is routing crap and traffic issues. again, i am assuming there, since people are moving into IP based services, hence there would be high capacity available with low traffic and higher quality of service.

$25/month + taxes (~$3/month) for ATT land line with no long distance calling out. Land lines are less vulnerable than mobile communications as towers get destroyed in natural disasters and more people use mobile service to communicate. Voice over IP is the future for more bandwidth even on existing lines. IP services can be frustrating as you may be in the middle of the disaster and all of a sudden it doesn't work because someone changed the DNS server (just an example). You can figure it out pretty fast, but when your elderly parents or 8 year old child is at home and you're not, and they have to dial out, it can cause panic.

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 12 Oct 2013 16:21

what are the best vonage alternatives, that allow me to use a landline type phone connected to the voip machine

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 13 Oct 2013 01:18

^^ http://www.magicjack.com/plus-v05/

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 13 Oct 2013 01:35

Neela-ji

My apologies. Instead of quoting and replying your post, I edited it by mistake

First din as adminullah

Still figuring out the Pistol they gave me

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 13 Oct 2013 02:29

Anujan wrote:Neela-ji

My apologies. Instead of quoting and replying your post, I edited it by mistake
First din as adminullah Still figuring out the Pistol they gave me

Just don't point the pistol at yourself and pull the trigger. You'll have to use the webmaster contact email to have yourself reinstated if you accidently ban yourself

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 13 Oct 2013 02:34

^interesting, adminullahs can ban themselves.

mort: valuable suggestion. I might think about land line and local, and use the vonage over IP for long distance and desh. will talk to shq and update your suggestions today.

time warner again is chewing my bills since couple of months.. not sure what kind of deal shq put with them.. time to take stock of all gizmo and connection things.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 13 Oct 2013 04:28

Suraj wrote:
Anujan wrote:Neela-ji

My apologies. Instead of quoting and replying your post, I edited it by mistake
First din as adminullah Still figuring out the Pistol they gave me
Just don't point the pistol at yourself and pull the trigger. You'll have to use the webmaster contact email to have yourself reinstated if you accidently ban yourself

AoA! Adminullahs can ban themselves?!

...didn't know BRF had the soosai button!

Innocent pooch: If 2 adminullahs get into a fight, can they ban each other?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 13 Oct 2013 04:48

That would be like Sumbha and Nisumbha!

(S/N = infinity) - they are like unlike poles!
sigal:noise

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 13 Oct 2013 05:03

Suraj wrote: Just don't point the pistol at yourself and pull the trigger. You'll have to use the webmaster contact email to have yourself reinstated if you accidently ban yourself

Has this actually happened to any admin in the past?

Just curious, that's all.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 13 Oct 2013 05:14

I might make the switch from Motorola droid razor to a nokia this winter. Except for google maps android does not have much attraction for me. Even nokia 822 looks pleasing. I heard verizon will get 929 this November. My son sings laurels of his windows phone. Stopped at Verizon store, iPhone 5s sold out, wanted to SHQ iphone5s.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 13 Oct 2013 05:18

androids were closer to have an NFC market right? would be very useful if they can combine a bunch of credit cards to just one device. I am sure, this is the NG tech thingie you may want to carry. However it does require stores to have the receiving setup.. should not be that expensive on economies of scale production - but then, it might have to be regulated as monoploies will start chewing you on per transaction cost.

nokia means, you are microsoft fan!

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 13 Oct 2013 05:34

I have Motorola, SHQ has iPhone and son has Nokia (windows phone), and I am MS fan? Anyways nothing wrong in being a MS fan. As I have access to desktops and laptops almost all the time, not to mention Ipad at home, I miss the smart phone only when I am in the car or waiting somewhere. But then, I think how bad our lifestyles have become addicted to these technologies. I do like my ipad though.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 13 Oct 2013 05:39

just fyi: when you say you like your ipad, what features you like the most?

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 13 Oct 2013 05:49

Look and feel. Bad thingie is the auto correction

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 13 Oct 2013 07:20

SaiK wrote:androids were closer to have an NFC market right? would be very useful if they can combine a bunch of credit cards to just one device. I am sure, this is the NG tech thingie you may want to carry. However it does require stores to have the receiving setup.. should not be that expensive on economies of scale production - but then, it might have to be regulated as monoploies will start chewing you on per transaction cost.

nokia means, you are microsoft fan!

Deploying it in stores is not that big a deal. The big chains in massa are easy and most of them do have NFC compatible terminals.

The down side though (I have used chacha wallet and now carriers are coming out with Isis), is there is zero value proposition for the users. Instead of whipping out your credit card, you whip out your phone, unlock, enter pin, touch on terminal. Meh.

Carrying cards is a big leap in user experience from carrying cash. You dont have to stuff a lot of it in your wallet and you dont lose your money if you lose your card. Phone is a step back. Doesnt work in all places, doesnt work if the battery is down. Except for some edge cases (like having your receipt online or getting a confirmation on your phone when your account is debited) is it really that much better?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 13 Oct 2013 07:38

they should have a separate rechargable button cell type power for NFC.. just a few electromagnetic/RFID reads, at very close range.. should not have to draw that much power. I am sure, they can work something out.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 13 Oct 2013 08:16

UX is what killed NFC based payments. Unless they make the leap to biometric based payments, credit card is here to stay for a while. I wonder what happened to that idiot Chacha stole from PayPal....Osama something....useless pompous fella by all accounts.

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SG mian, WP has Nokia/NAVTEQ maps so advantage over Google maps is: more accurate data, wider coverage and works without a network connection like a true standalone GPS. Disadvantage is: PoI data lags behind Google maps and no StreetView yet.

archan · Post by **archan** » 13 Oct 2013 08:33

So Nokia windows tabs come out in a couple of weeks? I've been eyeing the Surface 2 to replace my laptop which is a pain in the back to carry. Considering that I found the quality of Lumia 920 good, this might be good competition. However, I doubt Mickey would like their pet to get overshadowed much.

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 13 Oct 2013 08:41

archan wrote:So Nokia windows tabs come out in a couple of weeks? I've been eyeing the Surface 2 to replace my laptop which is a pain in the back to carry. Considering that I found the quality of Lumia 920 good, this might be good competition. However, I doubt Mickey would like their pet to get overshadowed much.

Saar, Windows RT ,not x86. I would look at the new Bay Trail x86 tablets as well.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 13 Oct 2013 08:48

Homebrew Computer Club reuniting in November for 1 night

AoA!

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 13 Oct 2013 08:52

^^They are using crowdfunding to raise $16k? C'mon, that's less than chump change for guys like Wozniak.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 13 Oct 2013 09:39

^^That's what people are saying

Anyhow I will try and see if I can wangle an invite (if its a public event i.e.). Too bad the Mahdi is no more, perhaps he would have attended.

archan · Post by **archan** » 13 Oct 2013 09:52

BhairavP wrote:
archan wrote:So Nokia windows tabs come out in a couple of weeks? I've been eyeing the Surface 2 to replace my laptop which is a pain in the back to carry. Considering that I found the quality of Lumia 920 good, this might be good competition. However, I doubt Mickey would like their pet to get overshadowed much.
Saar, Windows RT ,not x86. I would look at the new Bay Trail x86 tablets as well.

Nokias will be RT only?
I'm not interested. I need to dock it at work and connect external monitor, run a bunch of different applications and not just "apps", and take it home everydin.

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 13 Oct 2013 13:17

Yep, RT only as of now. As Pandyan saar said, check out the newer Asus and Dell announcements - Baytrail x86. The Asus TF100 is out on the 19th in the US, 64GB for a very reasonable 399$, plus a microSD card slot, keyboard dock and USB 3.0. Bonus - Office 2013 installed as well.

http://gigaom.com/2013/09/12/meet-the-3 ... surface-2/

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Oct 2013 19:33

samsung is alleged to be throwing a 64bit 8-core processor into the S5 due for emergency release in Jan 2014 due to weaker than expected sales of the S4.

I predict it will not solve their major problem which is lack of any real killer app or UX wowness in android anymore. just layering on more turdware isnt a game. the junta here itself prefers stock android going by sample size.

they keep on selling because no other really good and global maker of android handset exists or has a global footprint.

archan · Post by **archan** » 13 Oct 2013 20:33

A lot of people who have S3s would not have found a great reason to upgrade. Sony is trying to add value to their Z/Z1 by water/weather proofing and better camera.
Now a multi-focus type camera would be great. Not sure I have the correct term, but the one where you can refocus the image during post processing.
The spy shots of the Nexus 5 look good. Almost looks like made of carbon fiber.

sampat · Post by **sampat** » 13 Oct 2013 21:33

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Be careful!
Reddit Thread
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SophosLabs reports two main infection vectors: via email attachments and via botnets.

Email attacks are fairly easy to avoid: take care with attachments you weren't expecting, or from people you don't know well.

Infection via a botnet is a little different, since the crooks are using the fact that you are already infected with malware as a way to infect you with yet more malware.

That's because most bots, or zombies, once active on your computer, include a general purpose "upgrade" command that allows the crooks to update, replace, or add to the malware already on your PC.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 13 Oct 2013 23:49

ArmenT wrote:Has this actually happened to any admin in the past? Just curious, that's all.

None of us have as yet. But most of us have accidentally edited posts we intended to reply to, including me. The location of the two buttons close to each other makes it easy to make that mistake. As Raja Bose would state, UI failure onlee.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 14 Oct 2013 00:01

Raja Bose wrote: SG mian, WP has Nokia/NAVTEQ maps so advantage over Google maps is: more accurate data, wider coverage and works without a network connection like a true standalone GPS. Disadvantage is: PoI data lags behind Google maps and no StreetView yet.

Son uses HERE ( based on NAVTEQ and myriad technologies Nokia acquired over the years), when we want a back up as I am driving. The navsystem on the car gets outdated pretty quickly, and SHQ is bad with directions, so I resort to son who is good with devices, though is very bad at giving directions. Finally, frustrated with them both, I have to whip out my Android.

Waiting for Oct 22nd, the big event of Nokia.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 14 Oct 2013 00:11

Suraj wrote:
ArmenT wrote:Has this actually happened to any admin in the past? Just curious, that's all.
None of us have as yet. But most of us have accidentally edited posts we intended to reply to, including me. The location of the two buttons close to each other makes it easy to make that mistake. As Raja Bose would state, UI failure onlee.

Perhaps User Failure and not UI failure...adminullahs can be cut no slack!

SG mian, HERE is just a rebranding of NAVTEQ's LBS platform. Your car's nav system most likely uses NAVTEQ data but you are right the update cycle of car IVI software is pretty slow. That is why one of the major trends is to use the user's mobile device as the app/services platform while using the car to provide UI hardware (screen, buttons, touch, knob, audio etc.).

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 14 Oct 2013 00:27

It is not mere rebranding. Nokia acquired several technologies.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 14 Oct 2013 00:59

Like what?

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 14 Oct 2013 04:50

Raja Bose wrote: SG mian, WP has Nokia/NAVTEQ maps so advantage over Google maps is: more accurate data, wider coverage and works without a network connection like a true standalone GPS. Disadvantage is: PoI data lags behind Google maps and no StreetView yet.

Nokia's online version here.com has street view. To provide street view offline would take too much storage perhaps.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 14 Oct 2013 04:51

Raja Bose wrote:Like what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_(Nokia)#History

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 14 Oct 2013 05:16

SwamyG wrote:
Raja Bose wrote:Like what?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_(Nokia)#History

This is what I am referring to:

On 13 November 2012, Nokia announced that it would rebrand its location offering as Here to highlight its vision for the future of location based services and its belief in the importance of mapping.

HERE was a re-branding exercise...anything from acquisitions which went in was much before that and was already part of NAVTEQ's LBS platform.

hanumadu wrote:
Raja Bose wrote: SG mian, WP has Nokia/NAVTEQ maps so advantage over Google maps is: more accurate data, wider coverage and works without a network connection like a true standalone GPS. Disadvantage is: PoI data lags behind Google maps and no StreetView yet.
Nokia's online version here.com has street view. To provide street view offline would take too much storage perhaps.

No I am referring to the in-car experience, in the drive app.

chandrasekaran · Post by **chandrasekaran** » 15 Oct 2013 14:24

Flipkart has a very decent offer for the Nexus 7 (not 2013 - initial Nexus 7) tablet. If you have a standard charted credit card, you can have the 32GB Wi-Fi only version for 10,200/-. Lesser than the price it retails at Amazon (USD price). FYI

Sriman · Post by **Sriman** » 15 Oct 2013 18:06

Takla is the new Mahdi. Long live the Mahdi!

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... d-stone#p1

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 15 Oct 2013 18:36

Sriman wrote:Takla is the new Mahdi. Long live the Mahdi!

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... d-stone#p1

Heard the author's interview last night on the public radio. As long as my AMZN keeps climbing I am smiling.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 15 Oct 2013 18:59

Sriman wrote:Takla is the new Mahdi. Long live the Mahdi!

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... d-stone#p1

Takla and the whole culture sound horrible.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 15 Oct 2013 19:39

It takes a mix of all types to make a large co work. Some of his type are also needed.