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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby vaibhav.n » 14 Jul 2015 23:04

Indian Army kills Pakistani terrorist who beheaded Lance Naik Hemraj

The militant that was killed by Indian Army yesterday in Poonch along the Line of Control (LoC) has been identified as Anwar khan who was involved in the beheading of Lance Naik Hemraj in January 2013.

Yesterday, a group of militants tried to sneak into the Indian side along the LoC in Balnoie area of Mehndar tehsil. The troops guarding the LoC challenged the infiltrators, resulting in the encounter in which one militant Anwar Khan was killed.

Sources told India TV that Mohammad Anwar Khan was the one who beheaded Hemraj on January 8 2013. Anwar alias Azhar was paid Rs five lakh as reward by ISI for beheading Hemraj. It was a 15 member team of Lashkar and Jaish terrorists that killed Hemraj.

ISI subedar Jabbar khan of Takkapani unit was heading the operation. Anwar was an expert in reconnaissance and was referred to as ‘master’. He was local guide of Pakistan’s Border Action Team (BAT). There were three guides with the team but it was Anwar who killed Hemraj. He was also involved in beheading of an Army captain in Krishna Ghati area in 1996. Anwar ran a shop in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (POK).

A few days ago it was reported that a 40-member team of Lashkar was trailing army and security forces and was planning an attack.


The DDM wrongly refers to the ISI unit loc. Its Tattapani in PoK, so named for its hot springs. A road also exists till Mendhar on our side. Common R&R stop for TSPA jernails also. Their major Terror training camps infra also exists here in addition to the Neelum Valley.

http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/hemraj-killer-terrorist-killed-in-kashmir-52618.html

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby sum » 15 Jul 2015 04:08

^^ Wonder if the turd was actually hallaled in a cross border action and just that it is called "infiltration bid" to avoid P.Swami and other TSP assets to start doing a equal equal?

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Raja Bose » 15 Jul 2015 06:00

^^^Think about it....you kill some random mullah turd X whose head is probably half blown off and even if not, its probably a smelly ugly head with beard full of fleas which looks like a 1000 other such flea bitten heads of terrorists. Do you think after an encounter they can accurately identify it as mullah turd Y, the killer of Lance Naik Hemraj? Nope. So that points to the handiwork of the Pigeon and some cross border bamboo into the Pak mush. The Congis under the Gandhi family knew where the killer resided, which shop he ran and the daily rate of charas and gosht at his shop yet were content to let that terrorist kill our jawans. Glad to see Modi's actions speak louder than his words.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby RoyG » 15 Jul 2015 06:44

This a**hole was probably scouting close to the LoC and we sniped him, quickly went across and dragged his carcass over. We've probably been tracking his movements for some time.
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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Prem » 15 Jul 2015 07:13

Raja Bose wrote:^^^. Do you think after an encounter they can accurately identify it as mullah turd Y, the killer of Lance Naik Hemraj? Nope. So that points to the handiwork of the Pigeon and some cross border bamboo into the Pak mush. . Glad to see Modi's actions speak louder than his words.


Like Parrikar said ,anti terrorist operations planned with avoiding collateral damage. This look like very clean "cut" example of removing terrorist's life line with Upparwala. Handover the sliced body of this bastaaar to his family after removing strategic parts.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby member_27581 » 15 Jul 2015 13:25

He wont be alone in this act! Time to hunt them down. Saw Munich sometime back...we need to instill such fear in their minds that they prefer death over the life..
Raja Bose wrote:^^^Think about it....you kill some random mullah turd X whose head is probably half blown off and even if not, its probably a smelly ugly head with beard full of fleas which looks like a 1000 other such flea bitten heads of terrorists. Do you think after an encounter they can accurately identify it as mullah turd Y, the killer of Lance Naik Hemraj? Nope. So that points to the handiwork of the Pigeon and some cross border bamboo into the Pak mush. The Congis under the Gandhi family knew where the killer resided, which shop he ran and the daily rate of charas and gosht at his shop yet were content to let that terrorist kill our jawans. Glad to see Modi's actions speak louder than his words.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby member_27581 » 16 Jul 2015 22:35

It is quite refreshing to see that India is not letting Pakistan dictate the talks and the narrative the way it did sometime back.

Also, are such helicopter operations common. Last time I could find it was in Sep 2013, when 12 got 72'd.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Civilian-deaths-and-spy-drone-put-chill-back-in-India-Pakistan-ties/articleshow/48101220.cms
NEW DELHI: Amid heightened tension along their border resulting in casualties on both sides, India on Thursday warned Pakistan of "effective and forceful" response to unprovoked firing and cross-border terrorism.

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Jaishankar also countered Pakistan government's charge over Heli manoeuvres by India near LoC on July 11, 2015 as an "offensive and threatening posture".

"In so far as the allegation of the helicopter manoeuvres is concerned, this has already been taken up and settled through an exchange of hotline messages between local formation commanders at Teetwal on July 12-13.

"The helicopter flight was in connection with the counter-terrorism operation in which three terrorists were neutralised. The Pakistani side raised the issue of our helicopter flight and we had clarified that it was well within the mutually accepted distances from the LoC in India. That the Pakistani government four days later is raising a controversy on a settled issue speaks for itself," he said.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby pankajs » 25 Jul 2015 10:46

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby johneeG » 25 Jul 2015 13:20

sum wrote:^^ Wonder if the turd was actually hallaled in a cross border action and just that it is called "infiltration bid" to avoid P.Swami and other TSP assets to start doing a equal equal?


You are right!

There are 2 articles:

NEW DELHI: Amid heightened tension along their border resulting in casualties on both sides, India on Thursday warned Pakistan of "effective and forceful" response to unprovoked firing and cross-border terrorism.

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Jaishankar also countered Pakistan government's charge over Heli manoeuvres by India near LoC on July 11, 2015 as an "offensive and threatening posture".

"In so far as the allegation of the helicopter manoeuvres is concerned, this has already been taken up and settled through an exchange of hotline messages between local formation commanders at Teetwal on July 12-13.

"The helicopter flight was in connection with the counter-terrorism operation in which three terrorists were neutralised. The Pakistani side raised the issue of our helicopter flight and we had clarified that it was well within the mutually accepted distances from the LoC in India. That the Pakistani government four days later is raising a controversy on a settled issue speaks for itself," he said.

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Indian Army kills Pakistani terrorist who beheaded Lance Naik Hemraj

The militant that was killed by Indian Army yesterday in Poonch along the Line of Control (LoC) has been identified as Anwar khan who was involved in the beheading of Lance Naik Hemraj in January 2013.

Yesterday, a group of militants tried to sneak into the Indian side along the LoC in Balnoie area of Mehndar tehsil. The troops guarding the LoC challenged the infiltrators, resulting in the encounter in which one militant Anwar Khan was killed.

Sources told India TV that Mohammad Anwar Khan was the one who beheaded Hemraj on January 8 2013. Anwar alias Azhar was paid Rs five lakh as reward by ISI for beheading Hemraj. It was a 15 member team of Lashkar and Jaish terrorists that killed Hemraj.

ISI subedar Jabbar khan of Takkapani unit was heading the operation. Anwar was an expert in reconnaissance and was referred to as ‘master’. He was local guide of Pakistan’s Border Action Team (BAT). There were three guides with the team but it was Anwar who killed Hemraj. He was also involved in beheading of an Army captain in Krishna Ghati area in 1996. Anwar ran a shop in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (POK).

A few days ago it was reported that a 40-member team of Lashkar was trailing army and security forces and was planning an attack.


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Lets put 2 & 2 together.

Supposedly, there was some helicopter action near border around july 11 which killed terrorists. And then the news about death of terrorist who killed Hemraj comes out around july 15 saying that this occurred a few days back. This terrorist was stationed across the LOC in POK. And he was one of the main operators facilitating infiltration.

So, there are two possibilities:
a) This terrorist tried to repeat what he did previously in Hemraj episode. But, this time he met different response(including a heli).
b) He was hunted down in his den. And a heli was used.

If a heli was used to hunt down terrorists, it seems quite big. And if LOC was crossed, then it means that Bhaarath actually did a myanmar type operation. And this time an important target was successfully neutralized.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby member_27581 » 16 Aug 2015 10:46

Heavy firing by Pakistan continues in J&K, 6 civilians killed

Six civilians were killed and at least 15 others were injured in the continuous ceasefire violation by Pakistani troops along the border in Jammu & Kashmir's Balakot region of Poonch district.

Heavy mortar shelling is going on the area and the villagers living around the border are being vacated by the army.

The firing which was reported to have stopped after 7pm on Saturday evening, again started at 12am in the night and since then has not stopped.

An Army official said the Indian troops retaliated strongly, as the exchange of heavy gunfire continued intermittently in the night after Pakistan continued to violate ceasefire for the seventh consecutive day in Jammu region with at least four violations reported in four sectors in Poonch, about 200km from here.

The offensive on Indian positions in Jammu region came as the country celebrated the 69th Independence Day and Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif sent his greetings to Prime Minister Narendra Modi, saying promoting friendly ties between the two neighbours was in mutual interest. The national security advisers (NSA) of the two countries are also due to meet in New Delhi on August 23.


Wonder why they dare to repeat even after "Indian troops retaliated strongly" are we not causing them enough damage?

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby arun » 16 Aug 2015 12:15

ranjan.rao wrote: Wonder why they dare to repeat even after "Indian troops retaliated strongly" are we not causing them enough damage?


You are right. I did say elsewhere on BRF that I do not see a multiple of the number of Indian deaths caused by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan being inflicted by India across the border in the Islamic Republic to conclude that our BJP led Government of Prime Minister has a policy of disproportionate retaliation as claimed or if indeed such a policy is in place, it is being effectively carried out.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby arun » 16 Aug 2015 12:33

BSF miffed with Army for leaving LoC winter posts.

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Economic Times

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby member_27581 » 16 Aug 2015 15:01

arun wrote:You are right. I did say elsewhere on BRF that I do not see a multiple of the number of Indian deaths caused by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan being inflicted by India across the border in the Islamic Republic to conclude that our BJP led Government of Prime Minister has a policy of disproportionate retaliation as claimed or if indeed such a policy is in place, it is being effectively carried out.

I heard G D bakshi on one of the news debates that unless we resort to heavy artillery it will not be effective against their well defended positions. We need to make the costs so high that they think twice..even if it takes using airpower. Wish we had something like A10.

On a side note it makes me think that if a nation one sixth our size can needle us so much then what about China!

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby member_27581 » 16 Aug 2015 18:23

http://idrw.org/chumar-intrusion-chopper-pilot-who-supplied-troops-to-avoid-retreat-to-receive-honour/

India treated the Chinese incursion that coincided with president XI Jinping’s visit to the country in September last year as `very volatile’ and feared that there could be an escalation in the border standoff with Chinese troops, the first official account of the incident has revealed.

The intrusion in Chumar was one of the tensest in recent years with over 1,500 troops involved in a face off for several days.
Though the border situation was downplayed, as it occurred during Jinping’s first visit to meet Prime Minister Narendra Modi and an in-depth account was not shared, several details have now emerged on the mini conflict in the citation for a gallantry award announced for an air force pilot who braved the odds to ensure that Indian troops in the stand-off were well supplied.

The Vayu Sena medal citation of Flight Lieutanant G Jagan Mohan has also revealed that the intrusion took place at a point that was vital to control the entire Chumar valley. “The situation in the area at Point 4991 was very volatile and an escalation was not ruled out. Point 4991 is of great tactical importance, to the extent that possession actually controls the 480 sqkm area of Chumar valley,” the citation reads.

Appreciating the pilot’s courage in flying repeated missions on his Cheetal chopper to supply troops at the forward position, it goes on to say that tensions went on for four days before aerial support was brought in as the military feared a retreat due to a lack of supplies.

Aren't four days, even for supplying, a lot in today's situation. I am wondering if it was political delay or logistics constraints.

I am reading Himalayan Blunder by Brig Dalvi these days and find the narrative of book similar to this incident at a very high level. Soldiers asked to march on pouch ammunition with antiquated weapons with no clear directive. They may be well equipped but then
shouldnt the force be adequately provisioned.
Have no reason to doubt valor and professional competence of Indian Army, they took on against the odds then and would take now too, but after all these years shouldnt the MOD and govt helped to make situations better.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby vasu raya » 16 Aug 2015 18:30

All those stone pelting, flag raising people should be put in vehicles and positioned in places where the shelling happens and let the Pakis claim the glory of killing civilians.

These accidents happen as these people are taken on tours sensitizing them to the hardship of the soldiers as part of community outreach programs or community service lessons.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby member_27581 » 16 Aug 2015 18:53

^^^^ +108

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya G » 17 Aug 2015 00:18

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Villagers look on as Pakistani shells from across the border land in Poonch.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/pakistan ... es-1207926

SRINAGAR: Over 100 heavy mortar shells have landed in Jammu and Kashmir's border village Balakote since Saturday afternoon. This was the first time since the 2003 ceasefire agreement that Pakistan has used heavy shells -- 120 mm - which explains the high civilian casualties, army sources told NDTV.

Since Saturday, six people have died and nine have been injured - the highest single-day casualty in a long time.

Among the dead was Karamatullah Khan - the head of the Balakote village - who was trying to evacuate villagers to safety. A 17-year-old who tried to save him died too. The shell had landed on the car which was carrying a group of villagers.

"There was very heavy shelling from Pakistan - one shell hit the vehicle in which the sarpanch and six others were travelling," Rasheed Ahmad, one of the injured from Balakote village, had told NDTV.

Indian forces have been retaliating. Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said, We are giving them (Pakistan) a befitting reply. Our response is double-triple (in intensity)," the Defence minister said.

But unlike in other border areas, the government has not constructed underground bunkers in Poonch -- the locals say this is why they have become sitting ducks for shelling from across the border.

Among yesterday's casualties were a 12-year-old child and a 40-year-old woman.

Three villages -- Shahpur, Mandhar and Kerni -- bore the brunt of the shelling, but the administration has asked people of all border villages to stay indoors. The government has asked the residents of all 11 border villages in the area to stay indoors.

Heavy firing had started around midnight and continued till 3 am. Since morning, the Rangers have been using guns.
The administration has ruled out evacuating people till the shelling stops.

The ceasefire violations began in Poonch and Rajouri sectors yesterday even as Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif sent his greetings to Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Independence Day and called for amicable relations between the two countries. Story First Published: August 16, 2015 22:46 IST

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby vaibhav.n » 22 Aug 2015 16:03

Praveen ISPR Swami..........

An untold story: Pakistan terror suspects held, sent back home to pakistan after cases collapsed

As New Delhi prepares to confront Islamabad with evidence that arrested jihadist Muhammad Naveed was recruited and trained at a Lashkar-e-Taiba camp in Pakistan, The Indian Express has learnt that over 150 Pakistani nationals captured in similar circumstances, including two suspects in the 2000 Chattisinghpora killings, have been repatriated home quietly because police and prosecutors either failed to secure convictions, or only established guilt on relatively minor charges. Earlier this month, New Delhi repatriated a group of eight jihadists held in a Jammu and Kashmir prison. The repatriated men included Karachi resident Tanvir Ahmad Tanavali, arrested while infiltrating across the Line of Control in November 2009, and sentenced to six years in prison and a fine of Rs 1,000.

Fakhruzzaman Khokkar, held in Srinagar in September 2008 in possession of a Kalashnikov assault rifle, pistol and hand grenade, was also sent home after serving a sentence of four years. The repatriations, conducted without public disclosure of the prisoners’ past crimes, began in 2004, as part of the India-Pakistan normalisation process initiated by Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee and Pakistan’s military ruler, General Pervez Musharraf. The normalisation process, kicked off in the wake of the 2001-2002 near-war between the two countries, was to lead to a sharp reduction of violence in Jammu and Kashmir over the next decade.

The prisoners repatriated to Pakistan, documents accessed by The Indian Express show, include Muhammad Suhail Malik and Waseem Ahmad, alleged to have participated in the killing of 36 Sikhs in the south Kashmir village of Chattisinghpora in 2000, but acquitted because witnesses failed to identify them.

Nasrullah Mansoor ‘Langriyal’, the jihad commander who co-founded the Harkat-ul-Jihad-e-Islami, and claimed responsibility for dozens of terrorist attacks, was also never convicted of murder. He was repatriated home to Gujranwala in 2011, marrying months later at a ceremony attended by the who’s-who of the jihadi world.

This year alone, nine alleged terrorists, along with 13 others held for crossing without proper documents, as well as dozens of fishermen held after they crossed the border inadvertently, have been repatriated home from prisons in Jammu and Kashmir. Large numbers of alleged terrorists, the documents show, succeeded in returning home inside of just a few years, despite the seriousness of their alleged crimes and their foreign nationality. Even though 16 of the 23 Jammu and Kashmir terrorism-related suspects, whose cases The Indian Express studied, were arrested with weapons or explosives, only three were charged with attempted murder, and one with murder. Just three of the 23 served more than 14 years in prison — the typical, though non-binding, duration of a murder sentence.

In a January 6, 2004 statement, which followed a SAARC summit in Islamabad, General Musharraf “reassured Prime Minister Vajpayee that he will not permit any territory under Pakistan’s control to be used to support terrorism in any manner”. The statement was to lead to multiple meetings between secret interlocutors for both governments, including at least one between the head of India’s Research and Analysis Wing, C D Sahai, and his counterpart at Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate, Lieutenant General Ehsan-ul-Haq. Prior to the statement, Pakistan often refused to take back prisoners held on terrorism charges, insisting they were not its nationals. India, in turn, rarely informed Pakistan of the arrest of alleged terrorists. The repatriation programme set in place in 2004 thus marked a major break. And in order to avoid public embarrassment to Pakistan, the transfers were conducted without publicity. “I have no personal knowledge of how the decision on prisoner repatriation was taken or why,” said Sahai. “However, the January 6 declaration was the first explicit promise from Pakistan that terrorists were operating against India from its soil — and taking back the prisoners would, therefore, have been an important acknowledgment of the reality of what Islamabad had long claimed was a domestic freedom movement,” he added. The agreement helped hundreds of Pakistani nationals held for minor crimes get relief. From Jammu and Kashmir alone, 168 Pakistani nationals held for offences unrelated to terrorism — for example, crossing the Line of Control to visit family, or trafficking — have been sent home since 2004.

However, 137 alleged terrorists have also been released from the state’s prisons during this period. Documents show that neither Jammu and Kashmir nor the United Progressive Alliance at the Centre tried to seek evidence from Pakistan in these cases. Though the two countries created a joint anti-terrorism mechanism in 2006, the records show, it was not used to press for evidence that might have altered the course of the prosecution. In several cases, the prosecution collapsed altogether. Raja Kifyat Ali, held in June 2010, allegedly in possession of a bag full of ammunition, was acquitted by a trial court in Srinagar and repatriated home the next year. Abdul Hai Malik, held for attempting to murder a civilian in Srinagar’s Maisuma area in 1996, remained in prison until his repatriation 2013 — but only received a two-year sentence for illegally entering India. Those who were charged often benefitted from poor evidence-gathering.

Shahnawaz Malik, arrested near the Line of Control in Handwara in September 1998 after an encounter with the Indian Army, served ten years in prison before being repatriated. Prosecutors did use forensics which could have established he fired a gun — an act that could have raised the sentence to life. In several other cases, cross-Line of Control infiltrators were simply charged under the Egress and Ingress Movement Control Ordinance and the Indian Passports Act — meaning they were never prosecuted for attempt to murder.

The case of the Chattisinghpora massacre suspects, acquitted by the Delhi High Court in 2012, demonstrates why convictions have been so hard in obtain. Witnesses Nanak Singh and Gurmukh Singh — still living in the village where the attack took place, and potentially fearful — said it was simply too dark to recognise the perpetrators. Rauf Ahmad Rishi, another witness, only stated that “some persons had long beard whereas others had small beard”. Forensic tests which could have helped the prosecution — for example, fingerprints from the crime scene or gunshot residue tests to establish whether the alleged perpetrators used firearms — were never carried out, since the state police did not have appropriate facilities. Even though alleged Lashkar terrorist Malik confessed his crime in a custodial interview given to The New York Times, which also established that his relatives in Pakistan were Lashkar-e-Taiba supporters, his confessional testimony to investigators was not admissible as evidence.


Link:http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/an-untold-story-pak-terror-suspects-held-sent-back-after-cases-collapsed/

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby chaanakya » 22 Aug 2015 19:40

There is a need for new law to tackle such situations and foreigners arrested or convicted of terror related crimes , illegal cross border infiltration, caught inside India with prohibited firearms, arrested by Army in prohibited zones should be detained indefinitely in detention centre till the country of claimed nativity produces sufficient proof of identity and citizenship and establish events leading to crimes.
Such detention centres should be built by GOI rather than leaving it to state govt and should be managed by the centre. Other foreigners who are involved in illegal stay/over stay ( with passport) or convicted of crimes other than terror related or war against india crimes should be detained inanother centre. They should not be allowed to mingle freely or get work opportunities.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby vasu raya » 23 Aug 2015 06:00

the case of arrested terrorist Naved may not be unique, one proposal to link the people being trained in terror camps in TSP would be to invite DNA samples from families who know that their wards have gone into terror training, if they get killed or arrested on the Indian side of the border, and a DNA match proves their relation, India should offer bounty in lakhs of rupees to their families, maybe for those killed it is 1 lakh, caught alive it would be 10 lakhs, beat what the Pakis are paying. The mail order sample collection centers could be in gulf countries to avoid TSP monitoring, anybody could smuggle hair samples for example.

here's the downside, "The country has only 30 to 40 DNA experts against an estimated requirement of around 800 technical examiners for its 1,200 million population. Additionally, each test costs Rs20,000 and the estimated cost of identifying 40,000 bodies would be Rs80 crore every year, in addition to the remuneration of the examiners and support staff.", a free pool would be too much.


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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby vasu raya » 24 Aug 2015 01:25

In support of establishing terror links to TSP, one can only collect DNA samples before incidents happen, after the fact these things happen,

Pak goes all out to remove links with Udhampur terrorist Naveed

“Naveed had provided names, phone numbers and occupation of his family members living in Faisalabad. Almost all numbers are switched off since his arrest. It is unlikely that ISI will allow Naveed’s family to switch on these numbers,” said a home ministry official.


working the costs, there are an estimated 2000 terrorists active in the LeT camps, samples can be collected on an average of 5 family members per wannabe, thats 10000, at 80 cr estimate for processing 40,000 samples we just need 20 cr on this facet. The set isn't as open ended we might believe, even with random samples, it could balloon upto 40,000 say.

Of the 2000 terrorists roughly 40% or 800 say make the final course based on Naveed's figures, and also assuming all the 800 cross the border over a year's time, worst case scenario, and many of them surrender due to the bounty offer, we have an upper bound of 800 * 10 lacs = 80 crores to be disbursed through Hawala to their family members. The whole scheme works out less than 150 crores per year. "Only moral support" facade of the Pakis is permanently taken off.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya G » 24 Aug 2015 02:57

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/3-let-mil ... -handwara/

Posted on 24/08/2015 by Dailyexcelsior
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Srinagar, Aug 23: Three militants of Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) were killed in a fierce overnight gun battle with security forces in North Kashmir’s Zachaldara forests and a massive operation has been launched in Lacchipora forests in Uri after a group of 5 militants was spotted there.
Police and Army including elite 4-Para have launched a massive operation this evening in Lacchipora forests after a group of 5 foreign militants were spotted there. The Army and police have cordoned off a large portion of forest area and laid ambushes. However, no contact was established till last reports came in.
In the meantime, militants hurled a grenade at the residence of one Manzoor Ahmad Dar at Panzgam Awantipora tonight. It exploded with a big bang but no one was hurt in the attack. Police and Army reached the spot and are assessing the situation.
Earlier, Deputy Inspector General of Police (DIG) North Kashmir, Garib Dass, told Excelsior that they had information about militant movement in Zachaldara forest area of North Kashmir’s Handwara Police district for past 5-6 days. “We were keeping an eye on their movement and they had come to the village to buy the grocery and we were already waiting for them”, he said.
The DIG said that three militants were killed in the Zachaldara operation and they belong to the LeT. He said that these militants were young and highly trained.
The Army’s 21 RR, 6 RR and 9 Para and Special Operations Group of Jammu and Kashmir Police last evening conducted operation against these militants in Zachaldara forests.
Reports said that when 9 Para that was leading the operation challenged the militants, they were fired upon resulting in the injuring to an Army officer. He was removed to hospital for treatment......


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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby member_27581 » 25 Aug 2015 15:43

Army officer killed in Pakistani firing near LoC in Nowgam sector of Kashmir
SRINAGAR/NEW DELHI: A junior commissioned officer (JCO) of Army was killed on Tuesday in cross-LoC firing by Pakistani troops in Kupwara district of Kashmir.

The JCO was hit by a Pakistani sniper near the LoC in Nowgam sector and later succumbed to injuries, an Army spokesman said in Srinagar.

He said Pakistan troops resorted to firing on forward positions in the sector around 1300 hours, violating the ceasefire once again.

The spokesman said the identity of the slain JCO, and other details of the incident will follow in due course.
On August 19, Pakistan Rangers resorted to three rounds of firing on a BoP along IB in Samba sector around 2230 hours without any casualty or injury to anyone.

There have been 52 violations of the border ceasefire agreement of 2003 by Pakistan in August and over 245 ceasefire violations this year so far.

The latest incident came a few days after Pakistan called off the NSA talks with India during which the issue of terrorism was to be discussed as per the understanding reached in Ufa, Russia, between Prime Ministers Narendra Modi and Nawaz Sharif.

In Ufa, the two countries had also agreed that heads of border guards — BSF and Pakistan Rangers — would meet soon to discuss how to bring peace on the border.

There is still uncertainty on this meeting.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby member_22539 » 25 Aug 2015 17:47

^It is in situations like this that an long range anti-material rifle like Vidhwansak is needed, sadly IA doesn't have it, but the BSF does and that is why they didn't try this trick with them.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby shaun » 25 Aug 2015 18:38

^^
I am not getting the logic , what have anti material rifle have to do with sniper attack , are you assuming that BSF having Vidhwansak in its arsenal is acting as a detterant from porki sniper attack on BSF men ??
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/bsf-jawan-killed-in-sniper-fire-by-pak-troops-in-jk/article7404233.ece

The cat and mouse game will go on , until and unless we have a well protected buffer zone with no local population or vegetation . In NE , forest / vegetation near to the roads are cleared in some sensitive areas . The bulk of terrorist coming to India is through the LOC and it will increase in coming years . Border fencing have its limitations and we need a buffer zone . Anything coming into that zone should be minced .

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby member_22539 » 25 Aug 2015 19:16

^Such sniper attacks will be met with retaliation. In areas where BSF has used the Vidhwansak successfully, pakis are known to be more cautious and such sniper attacks have come down in number, so the knowledge that such high-caliber anti-material rifle is there on the opposing side is a very good deterrent. This is the same deterrent that IA sadly lacks unlike the BSF.

Anyway, JMHO, not gonna push the matter if you don't agree.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby shaun » 25 Aug 2015 20:49

Do you have any 1st hand information ??

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby member_22539 » 26 Aug 2015 05:44

^Just some article/video (don't remember which) where BSF claimed it brought down attacks in their region as well as infiltration attempts, because they were able to reach out so far away from their positions. Usually, these sniper attacks invite a like response form the Indian side and in such a situation, the Vidhwansak is truly a game changer for us.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Karan M » 26 Aug 2015 06:47

vaibhav.n wrote:Praveen ISPR Swami..........

An untold story: Pakistan terror suspects held, sent back home to pakistan after cases collapsed

As New Delhi prepares to confront Islamabad with evidence that arrested jihadist Muhammad Naveed was recruited and trained at a Lashkar-e-Taiba camp in Pakistan, The Indian Express has learnt that over 150 Pakistani nationals captured in similar circumstances, including two suspects in the 2000 Chattisinghpora killings, have been repatriated home quietly because police and prosecutors either failed to secure convictions, or only established guilt on relatively minor charges. Earlier this month, New Delhi repatriated a group of eight jihadists held in a Jammu and Kashmir prison. The repatriated men included Karachi resident Tanvir Ahmad Tanavali, arrested while infiltrating across the Line of Control in November 2009, and sentenced to six years in prison and a fine of Rs 1,000.

Fakhruzzaman Khokkar, held in Srinagar in September 2008 in possession of a Kalashnikov assault rifle, pistol and hand grenade, was also sent home after serving a sentence of four years. The repatriations, conducted without public disclosure of the prisoners’ past crimes, began in 2004, as part of the India-Pakistan normalisation process initiated by Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee and Pakistan’s military ruler, General Pervez Musharraf. The normalisation process, kicked off in the wake of the 2001-2002 near-war between the two countries, was to lead to a sharp reduction of violence in Jammu and Kashmir over the next decade.

The prisoners repatriated to Pakistan, documents accessed by The Indian Express show, include Muhammad Suhail Malik and Waseem Ahmad, alleged to have participated in the killing of 36 Sikhs in the south Kashmir village of Chattisinghpora in 2000, but acquitted because witnesses failed to identify them.

Nasrullah Mansoor ‘Langriyal’, the jihad commander who co-founded the Harkat-ul-Jihad-e-Islami, and claimed responsibility for dozens of terrorist attacks, was also never convicted of murder. He was repatriated home to Gujranwala in 2011, marrying months later at a ceremony attended by the who’s-who of the jihadi world.

This year alone, nine alleged terrorists, along with 13 others held for crossing without proper documents, as well as dozens of fishermen held after they crossed the border inadvertently, have been repatriated home from prisons in Jammu and Kashmir. Large numbers of alleged terrorists, the documents show, succeeded in returning home inside of just a few years, despite the seriousness of their alleged crimes and their foreign nationality. Even though 16 of the 23 Jammu and Kashmir terrorism-related suspects, whose cases The Indian Express studied, were arrested with weapons or explosives, only three were charged with attempted murder, and one with murder. Just three of the 23 served more than 14 years in prison — the typical, though non-binding, duration of a murder sentence.

In a January 6, 2004 statement, which followed a SAARC summit in Islamabad, General Musharraf “reassured Prime Minister Vajpayee that he will not permit any territory under Pakistan’s control to be used to support terrorism in any manner”. The statement was to lead to multiple meetings between secret interlocutors for both governments, including at least one between the head of India’s Research and Analysis Wing, C D Sahai, and his counterpart at Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate, Lieutenant General Ehsan-ul-Haq. Prior to the statement, Pakistan often refused to take back prisoners held on terrorism charges, insisting they were not its nationals. India, in turn, rarely informed Pakistan of the arrest of alleged terrorists. The repatriation programme set in place in 2004 thus marked a major break. And in order to avoid public embarrassment to Pakistan, the transfers were conducted without publicity. “I have no personal knowledge of how the decision on prisoner repatriation was taken or why,” said Sahai. “However, the January 6 declaration was the first explicit promise from Pakistan that terrorists were operating against India from its soil — and taking back the prisoners would, therefore, have been an important acknowledgment of the reality of what Islamabad had long claimed was a domestic freedom movement,” he added. The agreement helped hundreds of Pakistani nationals held for minor crimes get relief. From Jammu and Kashmir alone, 168 Pakistani nationals held for offences unrelated to terrorism — for example, crossing the Line of Control to visit family, or trafficking — have been sent home since 2004.

However, 137 alleged terrorists have also been released from the state’s prisons during this period. Documents show that neither Jammu and Kashmir nor the United Progressive Alliance at the Centre tried to seek evidence from Pakistan in these cases. Though the two countries created a joint anti-terrorism mechanism in 2006, the records show, it was not used to press for evidence that might have altered the course of the prosecution. In several cases, the prosecution collapsed altogether. Raja Kifyat Ali, held in June 2010, allegedly in possession of a bag full of ammunition, was acquitted by a trial court in Srinagar and repatriated home the next year. Abdul Hai Malik, held for attempting to murder a civilian in Srinagar’s Maisuma area in 1996, remained in prison until his repatriation 2013 — but only received a two-year sentence for illegally entering India. Those who were charged often benefitted from poor evidence-gathering.

Shahnawaz Malik, arrested near the Line of Control in Handwara in September 1998 after an encounter with the Indian Army, served ten years in prison before being repatriated. Prosecutors did use forensics which could have established he fired a gun — an act that could have raised the sentence to life. In several other cases, cross-Line of Control infiltrators were simply charged under the Egress and Ingress Movement Control Ordinance and the Indian Passports Act — meaning they were never prosecuted for attempt to murder.

The case of the Chattisinghpora massacre suspects, acquitted by the Delhi High Court in 2012, demonstrates why convictions have been so hard in obtain. Witnesses Nanak Singh and Gurmukh Singh — still living in the village where the attack took place, and potentially fearful — said it was simply too dark to recognise the perpetrators. Rauf Ahmad Rishi, another witness, only stated that “some persons had long beard whereas others had small beard”. Forensic tests which could have helped the prosecution — for example, fingerprints from the crime scene or gunshot residue tests to establish whether the alleged perpetrators used firearms — were never carried out, since the state police did not have appropriate facilities. Even though alleged Lashkar terrorist Malik confessed his crime in a custodial interview given to The New York Times, which also established that his relatives in Pakistan were Lashkar-e-Taiba supporters, his confessional testimony to investigators was not admissible as evidence.


Link:http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/an-untold-story-pak-terror-suspects-held-sent-back-after-cases-collapsed/


The Indian state is an imbecile filled with idiots.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby member_27581 » 13 Sep 2015 07:47

Face-off in Ladakh as PLA erects watchtower

NEW DELHI: Eastern Ladakh continues to remain a major flashpoint between India and China, with rival troops locked in yet another face-off in the high-altitude area along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) on Saturday. Both sides have sent reinforcements to the area.

Sources said the stand-off began after a joint patrol of the Indian Army and Indo-Tibetan Border Police spotted the People's Liberation Army building a watch-tower close to the mutually-accepted "border patrolling line" near Burtse, which is part of the Depsang plains in the northern part of eastern Ladakh, on Friday evening.

Indian troops first warned the PLA soldiers to refrain from erecting the watch-tower, and then subsequently demolished the structures that had already been built. This led both sides to rush additional troops to the site, where the face-off was still in progress on Saturday evening with soldiers ranged against each other along the border patrolling line.

The Burtse area is one of the main disputed stretches of the un-demarcated LAC in Ladakh, where the norm from either side is to patrol to the "border patrolling line" and undertake the laid down de-escalation protocols if a troop stand-off takes place.

In the ongoing face-off, Indian troops have asked the PLA for a flag meeting but no time has been fixed so far, say sources.

With both sides conducting aggressive patrolling to lay claim to disputed stretches amid "differing perceptions", troop face-offs and "transgressions" are not unusual in the western (Ladakh), middle (Uttarakhand, Himachal) and eastern (Sikkim, Arunachal) sectors along the 4,057-km LAC.

But eastern Ladakh has witnessed many more incidents over the last few years. The Depsang Valley was also the site of the 21-day face-off between the two armies in April-May 2013, just before Chinese Premier Li Keqiang's visit to India then. After the prolonged stand-off, during which PLA troops had intruded 19-km into Indian territory, India had pushed for "greater predictability and stability'' in tackling such incidents through the inking of the bilateral border defence cooperation agreement (BDCA) in October 2013.

But it did not really help in any substantial manner. There was again a prolonged military standoff, with around 1,000 soldiers from each side in an eyeball-to-eyeball confrontation at Chumar and Demchok for over a fortnight in September last year, which too took place during the visit of Chinese President Xi Jinping to India. It had taken four flag meetings in eastern Ladakh for both sides to agree to "restore the status quo ante as it existed on September 1". Fortunately, no incident has spiralled out of control, with not a single shot being fired from either side over the last few decades.


seems like things are changing!

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Guddu » 13 Sep 2015 22:55

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Pakistan-violates-ceasefire-again-1-BSF-officer-killed-in-mortar-shelling-in-JK/articleshow/48947605.cms

Looks like the pachys are again out of containment. I am getting disappointed in Rajnath Singh and NaMo govt. He only gives befitting verbal replies.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby RoyG » 13 Sep 2015 23:24

What are they supposed to do? Things are happening behind the scenes. Don't get overly embroiled in border skirmishes. Go straight for the jugular.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Kashi » 17 Sep 2015 05:12

Guddu wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Pakistan-violates-ceasefire-again-1-BSF-officer-killed-in-mortar-shelling-in-JK/articleshow/48947605.cms

Looks like the pachys are again out of containment. I am getting disappointed in Rajnath Singh and NaMo govt. He only gives befitting verbal replies.


Perhaps, but BSF surely isn't restricting itself to "befitting verbal replies"

httpxxx://www.dawn.com/news/1207134/pak ... tal-sector

And the rona dhona

httpxxx://www.dawn.com/news/1206938

India violates LoC ceasefire despite recent promises of peace: ISPR

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya G » 18 Sep 2015 23:10

Fishermen shot at and one confirmed killed.

The number of security incidents along the Gujarat coast seem to have picked up in the last two years. Is it that these events went unreported earlier? or due to increased activity by ICG and IN?

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 844_1.html

The Indian Coast Guard will on Friday conduct a joint interrogation on Pakistan firing at Indian boats off the Gujarat coast, killing one fisherman.

"We will be conducting a joint interrogation once the vessel reaches. There was no number or name written on the boat and it was carrying some blue and green colour flags. There is no other indication to pinpoint that the boat belongs to any other particular organisation or country," Inspector General of Coast Guard V.S.R Murthy told ANI.

"Our coast guard station Okha was informed by the owner that their vessel Prem Raj while fishing in the area was fired upon by some vessel. On receipt of the information, we immediately diverted our coast guard ship the Vijit which is carrying out IMBL petrol in that area and then go on to investigate," said Murthy.

"The vessel reached and then boarded this vessel and found one crew member, namely Iqbal died of the firing incident. They narrated there is one vessel slightly bigger than our fishing vessel came and opened fire. They fired about 5-6 rounds. There were about 40 people on board," he added.

Murthy further said that at present the boat is under escort by another coast guard vessel and both the vessels are heading towards Okha, which is expected to arrive at Okha by 11 p.m. tonight.

An Indian fisherman was killed by the Pakistan Navy off the Gujarat coast on Friday.

A coast guard team has left for investigating the matter.

According to reports, the Pakistan marine targeted two boats off the Dwarka coast, which resulted in the fisherman's killing.


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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby member_27581 » 05 Oct 2015 13:18

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 223112.cms

SRINAGAR: At least four soldiers and one militant were killed on Monday as two gunbattles raged in Jammu and Kashmir's Kupwara district.

Four jawans lost their lives in the gunbattle with the militants during an operation launched in Haphruda forest in Handwara following information about presence of militants there, an Army spokesperson said.

One militant was killed in an earlier encounter that broke out during an operation in Lolab area, the spokesperson said.

On Sunday, two militants of Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) outfit, believed to be Pakistanis, were killed and a soldier was injured in an encounter in Pulwama district.

The slain militants were identified as Salim alias Adil Pathan and Rehman alias Burmi, police sources had said, adding they were suspected to be Pakistani nationals.

Pakistan-based JeM has been responsible for several major attacks in Jammu and Kashmir and Delhi, including the one on Parliament on December 13, 2001.


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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby rohitvats » 05 Oct 2015 14:11

^^^Seems a patrol party might have been surprised by the terrorists. 4 IA casualties in a gun-battle does not happen in normal course of CI Ops.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Karan M » 05 Oct 2015 16:43

Haphruda.. i feel like taking an axe and napalm to that forest...i think we have lost far too many men there...


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