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Postby chetak » 23 Jun 2016 19:16

NRao wrote:
Indian foreign Service is almost puny by their standards in number !!


It is considered to be one of the best in the world!!



Let's not get carried away, saar. If it actually was, we would have been some where else today.

too many rajas and not enough praja onlee.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 24 Jun 2016 04:37

too many rajas and not enough praja onlee. Good morph of "too many chiefs no inju... err ... Indians". :)

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Postby Vayutuvan » 24 Jun 2016 04:41

NRao wrote:DRAGON TRACKS: EMERGING CHINESE ACCESS POINTS IN THE INDIAN OCEAN REGION

Such “places not bases” are unlikely to spring from nowhere. Instead, to plot where China’s navy may be heading the IOR, it helps to review where it’s been. That’s because establishing access points tends to be a long-term endeavor, based on enduring fundaments observable from outside. Naval facilities generally require (1) reliable political support in a stable host nation, (2) robust logistics infrastructure, and (3) sufficient draft for all major ships.


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I know India can't do much to this organization The Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative (AMTI) but some websites/orgs should be made an example of for publishing wrong maps of India.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 24 Jun 2016 04:42

NRao wrote:Image


I know India can't do much to this organization The Asia Maritime Transparency Initiative (AMTI) but some websites/orgs should be made an example of for publishing wrong maps of India.

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Postby kmkraoind » 25 Jun 2016 13:02

China Halts Taiwan Liaison Link on Lack of One-China Support - Bloomberg

Taiwan’s president, sworn in on May 20, failed to declare support for the principle that Taiwan is part of China and as a result the mechanism for the two sides to liaise has been suspended, the official Xinhua News Agency reported, citing An Fengshan, a spokesman for China’s Taiwan Affairs Office.


Actually, apart from US and Japan, it is Taiwan, which can hurt China economically. All of Taiwanese silicon companies have their manufacturing/assembling bases in China. If Taiwan relocate these to other nations, that will hurt China economically and socially (unemployment). India should encourage Foxconn like OEMs from Taiwan to set up their manufacturing/assembling plants in India.

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Postby Bhurishrava » 26 Jun 2016 14:56

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/the ... here-16722

1. The new Duterte administration in Philippines is more pro china.
2. A ruling against China in the arbitration case, which is likely, will strengthen the hands of Americans and Japanese in south China sea.

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Postby Bhurishrava » 26 Jun 2016 16:05

http://www.japantoday.com/category/busi ... irst-loans
China-led development bank approves first loans

The bank’s board approved a total of $509 million in loans Friday for a power project in Bangladesh, slum-upgrading in Indonesia and road-building in Pakistan and Tajikistan, according to Jin, a former chairman of China’s sovereign wealth fund.

China, the world’s second-largest economy, has the bank’s biggest voting stake with 26 percent of shares and has pledged to put up most of its initial $50 billion in capital but has no veto power. India has the second-largest voting stake at 7.5 percent and Russia is third with 5.9 percent.


Its launch coincides with a Chinese government initiative dubbed “One Belt, One Road” to build ports and other infrastructure to expand trade links between China and Europe.
Jin said the bank would support countries targeted by the Chinese initiative but would make its own lending decisions

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Postby Bhurishrava » 26 Jun 2016 16:40

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 925444.cms

India-China rift out in open: Whither Asian Century?

Furthermore, calibrated strategic communication that prioritized circumspection and being able to shape the narrative in a more empathetic and persuasive manner may have led to better dividends. The importance accorded to the NSG narrative is evident in the manner in which both Chinese and Pakistan officials worked in tandem to regularly brief the international media.

Pakistan is now the 'iron brother' of China and the elder sibling is convinced that the ambitious one belt-one road miracle will usher in a Beijing-led Asian century. India, it appears, is relatively peripheral to the go-it-alone certitude that Beijing now seeks to exude.

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Postby kmkraoind » 27 Jun 2016 22:27

Senior Ideologue Kills Self over Party Infighting - English.caixin.com

(Beijing) -A senior editor at a top theoretical journal of the ruling Communist Party hanged himself, apparently after becoming depressed over growing infighting between government reformists and conservatives nostalgic about less corrupt times under the rule of the late Chairman Mao Zedong.

Zhu Tiezhi, the deputy editor-in-chief of Qiushi Journal, died on the morning of June 26, the online edition of People's Daily, the official newspaper of the Communist Party, reported later in the day. It did not state the cause of death.

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Postby A_Gupta » 15 Aug 2016 17:41

http://english.cctv.com/2016/08/15/VIDE ... 0815.shtml
"China, India to support each other in organizing G20, BRICS summits: FM"

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said that consensus had been reached with the Indian side to firmly support each other so as to ensure the successful organization of the upcoming G20 and BRICS summits.

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Postby A_Gupta » 17 Aug 2016 01:44

China to participate in Rakhigarhi archaeology:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /86679930/

BEIJING — When Chinese archaeologists start work on a buried Bronze Age city in north India this fall, they will be breaking ground in more ways than one.

The dig at Rakhigarhi, 90 miles north west of Delhi, will be the largest China has ever had undertaken outside its borders, the clearest sign yet the communist country is emerging as a global power in the field.

It will also be the first time Chinese archaeologists have been allowed to work in India, a country China fought a war against in 1962.


Over the past three decades, China has spent billions of dollars creating a massive pool of well-educated, well-equipped, state-employed archaeologists. According to foreign experts, they now are as good as archaeologists from more experienced nations such as the United States, United Kingdom and Germany.

But there is one problem: They only know about China. The communist country has no experts with first-hand knowledge of other ancient civilizations in Egypt, Mesopotamia or India.

Part of sending mainland archaeologists overseas is an attempt to remedy this.

“Whatever the subject, the top scholars are always American,” said Wang, head of the Archaeology Institute at China’s Academy of Social Sciences. “Our biggest problem is now that we don’t know enough about other countries.”

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Postby ranjan.rao » 17 Aug 2016 02:35

^^ very stupid of govt to allow them, some of these lizards must be spies, disguised as archaelogists. There is no free lunch/breakfast/dinner from china even to their taller than mountain friends.

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Postby Bart S » 17 Aug 2016 12:14

^ What is really concerning is this part at the end of the article:

Shinde said such conflicts don’t concern him and Wang.

“True archaeologists don’t care about politics,” he said. “We are dealing with a time before there were national borders.”


The whole article explains how the Chinese archeology effort is basically driven by Han Nationalism and Historical Revisionism and this guy (good chance that he is a JNU type person himself) comes up with this naive crap. No lessons have been learned since the days of Nehru and Krishna Menon.

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Postby chetak » 18 Aug 2016 12:48

Don Key wrote:^ What is really concerning is this part at the end of the article:

Shinde said such conflicts don’t concern him and Wang.

“True archaeologists don’t care about politics,” he said. “We are dealing with a time before there were national borders.”


The whole article explains how the Chinese archeology effort is basically driven by Han Nationalism and Historical Revisionism and this guy (good chance that he is a JNU type person himself) comes up with this naive crap. No lessons have been learned since the days of Nehru and Krishna Menon.


or are the lessons learned being applied assiduously??

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Postby Bart S » 18 Aug 2016 13:38

chetak wrote:
or are the lessons learned being applied assiduously??


By the Chinese, perhaps.

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Postby wig » 18 Aug 2016 19:13

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ca3252c6 ... ow-support

Chinese troops in Syria are training soldiers in the use of weapons purchased from China; these include sniper rifles, rocket launchers and machine guns


A top Chinese military officer visited Syria this week in a show of support for President Bashar Assad's embattled regime, official media reported Thursday, underscoring Beijing's backing of fellow authoritarian governments and concerns about the spread of religious militancy.

Rear Adm. Guan Youfei met on Sunday with Syrian Defense Minister Fahd Jassem al-Freij in Damascus, the Xinhua News Agency said. He also met the following day with a Russian general who is coordinating his country's military assistance to Assad's fight against armed opposition groups, the agency said.

Xinhua said Guan expressed China's willingness to boost military cooperation with Syria, while the newspaper Global Times cited the Chinese Defense Ministry as saying that both sides agreed to expand personnel training and humanitarian aid via the Chinese military.

The Chinese military "is willing to strengthen cooperation with its Syrian counterparts," it quoted the ministry as saying.
Guan is head of the Office for International Military Cooperation under the Central Military Commission that oversees China's 2.3 million-member armed forces.

While China has followed Russia's approach in backing Assad, it hasn't directly contributed forces in keeping with its policy of opposing outside intervention in domestic conflicts. During the early months of the 5-year-old civil war, China joined Russia in blocking motions at the United Nations calling for Assad to work for a resolution of the conflict.

Despite that, Chinese military advisers are on the ground in Syria helping train soldiers in the use of weapons purchased from China, including sniper rifles, rocket launchers and machine guns, reported the Global Times, which is published by the ruling Communist Party's flagship newspaper People's Daily.

Guan's visit illustrates Beijing's enduring recognition of the Syrian government and insistence that the warring parties reach a resolution among themselves, said Wang Lian of the School of International Studies at Peking University.

Although China wants to expand government-to-government and military-to-military cooperation, it's unlikely to provide substantial military support, much less send personnel to fight on behalf of the regime, Wang said.

"More likely, the Chinese military wanted to use Guan's trip to better understand the current state of the turmoil in Syria," Wang said. "In developing a closer relationship with Syria, one has to take into account the changes at hand in Syria and the region, including the fast recovering relations between Turkey and Russia."

China's ruling Communist Party brooks no political opposition and is constantly on alert for signs of popular uprisings of the sort that flared across the Middle East during the "Arab Spring" that ultimately led to Syria's fragmentation.

The government has also warned of the potential threat posed by Chinese Muslims returning to the country after fighting alongside radical groups such as the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq. Those allegedly include members of the Uighur ethnic minority, some of whom have waged a yearslong campaign against Chinese rule in the northwestern region of Xinjiang.

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US has a discussion on China vs carrier forces

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Postby Bart S » 24 Aug 2016 01:12

X-posting from the Economy thread.

Some patronizing tripe by an aide in the Chinese embassy. No down some of our new age Gunga Dins will think it is a positive spin, but the narrative is very clear as are the careful wordings that betray the continuing insecurity and middle kingdom mindset:
http://www.livemint.com/Opinion/vXudGM5 ... onomy.html

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http://myinforms.com/en/a/40212133-when ... g-boorish/
“Should the Indian Government fail to change this decision at once, to have the Indian armed forces promptly withdraw from Chinese territory which they have seized unlawfully, responsibility for all the serious consequences arising therefrom will necessarily rest with the Indian Government.” [Note given to the Ambassador of India by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of China, 1 September 1959. Indian White Paper No. 2]
Strange but true, the tone, tenor and template of the Chinese diplomacy does not seem to have changed in these last 57 years!
“Recent years have seen the Western world giving too many thumbs up to India, but thumbs down to China. India is spoiled. Although the South Asian country’s GDP accounts for only 20 per cent of that of China, it is still a golden boy in the eyes of the West, having a competitive edge and more potential compared to China. The international ‘adulation’ of India makes the country a bit smug in international affairs.”
“Some Indians are too self-centered and self-righteous. On the contrary, the Indian government behaves decently and is willing to communicate. Throwing a tantrum won’t be an option for New Delhi,” it said.
“India’s nationalists should learn how to behave themselves. Now that they wish their country could be a major power, they should know how major powers play their games,” the daily said. [Write up in the Editorial of the State-run Global Times of June 27, 2016 in response to Indian public outrage on India being denied membership in the Nuclear Suppliers Group.]
Strange but true, the tone, tenor and template of the Chinese diplomacy does not seem to have changed in these last 57 years!!!! As in the past it still smacks of condescension and is blatantly patronizing bordering on being boorish.
The dictionary defines diplomacy as entailing in the ‘skill of managing international relations’. At people to people level it relates to ‘skill and tact in dealing with people’ – as a corollary: it would, therefore, also apply to a country dealing with other countries. Another explanation of diplomacy is given as – “Diplomacy at its essence is the conduct of relationships, using peaceful means, by and among international actors, at least one of whom is usually governmental. The typical international actors are states and the bulk of diplomacy involves relations between states directly, or between states, international organizations, and other international actors”. [Oxford Handbook of Modern Diplomacy, Online Publication August 2013]. Apparently, China does not take cognisance of definitions from foreign language dictionaries and authors! Its diplomacy has the erudite “Chinese characteristics”!!
…it is reportedly alleged that the acting Chinese Ambassador hinted that if India supported China’s stance on the SCS issue it (China) would consider India’s claim to Arunachal Pradesh more favourably!!!!!
Case Study 1
China’s reaction to the verdict of the UN tribunal – The Hague based Permanent Court of Arbitration ruling that its sovereignty claims over South China Sea (SCS) and attempts to enforce them violate international law, was predictable. Since it comes with no enforcement measures, China has outright rejected it. China warned that it would declare the SCS as an Air Defence Identification Zone (ADIZ). Simultaneously it alerted its military to prepare for any eventuality of conflict. It despatched naval ships to carry out exercises in those waters.
Here in Delhi it is reportedly alleged that the acting Chinese Ambassador hinted that if India supported China’s stance on the SCS issue it (China) would consider India’s claim to Arunachal Pradesh more favourably!!!!! As an afterthought he presumptuously suggested that may be some time in future Andaman and Nicobar Islands could also become disputed?!?! If he did actually say what is alleged then the Ministry of Foreign Affairs should haul him up. Since the internal political noise in our country is so deafening such issues do not find place for debate or discussion in its din. It will be recalled that in November 2006, just days before Chinese Premier Hu Jintao’s state visit to India, Chinese Ambassador to India, Sun Yuxi, stated that the whole of the state of Arunachal Pradesh is Chinese territory. Its histrionics continued and in May 2007, China denied visa to Ganesh Koyu, an Indian Administrative Service (IAS) officer from Arunachal Pradesh, who was to be a part of a 107 IAS officer study visit to Beijing and Shanghai. China pointed out that Koyu is a Chinese citizen since he belongs to Arunachal Pradesh and hence could visit China without a visa. Once again in June 2009, China tried to block India’s request for US$ 2.9 billion loan from the Asian Development Bank (ADB) as the request included US$ 60 million for flood management, water supply, and sanitation project in Arunachal Pradesh. This was the first time that China sought to broadcast its claim on Arunachal Pradesh in a multi-lateral forum.
In the course of the sixteen rounds of the meetings of the Special Representatives to resolve the boundary issue there is a grapevine going around that China may give up its claim of Arunachal Pradesh if India lets go Tawang. Here it would be pertinent to recount a bit of history. On 25th August, 1959, the Chinese troops came south of the Himalayan watershed and occupied Longju. They have continued to occupy Indian territory there till date. China’s claim to Longju was based on their interpretation of the alignment of McMahon Line. However, it was also a rejection of the principle that the alignment of the McMahon Line would be along the ‘highest watershed’. It is a moot point that after the Chinese unilaterally declared cease-fire at the stroke of mid-night of 21 November 1962, the PLA withdrew north of the McMahon Line in Arunachal Pradesh except in Longju. By the most liberal interpretation of the McMahon Line, Tawang lies well south of it and so probably the Chinese considered it prudent to withdraw from Tawang lest they are seen as reneging on what Zhou Enlai had accepted in 1959 – when he called it “the so called McMahon Line” (Zhou Enlai’s letter of 7th November 1959 to Mr Nehru refers)......
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Postby disha » 30 Aug 2016 11:38

Chota-Mota bum blast in Kyrgyzstan in Chinese embassy. Must be either a bakistani pindi chana or NDTV Sreenivasan type of bum blast.

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Postby deejay » 30 Aug 2016 12:45

An interesting piece in Forbes. Posting here because finally it is about India and China:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2016/08/28/indias-grand-gamble-with-china/2/#8ee8b662d060

...For decades, New Delhi elites have tried to ignore the attacks. Modi, when he came to power in 2014, tried a different tack, reaching out to Islamabad, even inviting Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to his inauguration. And then in December, Modi, often derided as a “Hindu nationalist,” became the first Indian prime minister to visit Pakistan since 2004.

The outreach did not help. For one thing, the prime minister of Pakistan doesn’t run the country as Paskal notes. The military does.

“If the Pakistani military wanted peace with India, there would be peace with India,” she said to me. “And Pakistan’s military has the strong backing of China, in part because it suits Beijing to destabilize India.”

Modi lost his patience with the Pakistanis—and the Chinese—last week, executing a major turn of policy by uttering a single sentence. “I am grateful to the people of Balochistan, Gilgit, and Pakistan-occupied Kashmir who have thanked me in the past few days,” he said in his Independence Day address, on the 15th, at the Red Fort in Delhi.

India claims Gilgit, which Pakistan controls, as well as the part of Kashmir under administration of Islamabad. In Balochistan, a long-simmering insurgency threatens China’s cherished project, the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.

The Corridor connects China’s so-called Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region with the Indian Ocean through north-south roads bisecting Pakistan. Those road cross Balochistan. The strategic Gwadar port is in that province, which includes more than 40% of the area of Pakistan.
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Quoted portion on the second page of article.

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http://www.rediff.com/news/column/china ... 160830.htm
China shadow over Modi's Vietnam visit
'During his visit to Vietnam on September 3 -- the first visit by an Indian prime minister in 15 years -- Modi will notice the widespread anti-China sentiment in that country,' says former RA&W officer Jayadeva Ranade.
Prime Minister Narendra Modi will have a busy and complicated agenda as he travels to South East Asia in the next few days. He will observe that dark clouds continue to linger on the horizons of the South China Sea well after the Permanent Court of Arbitration at The Hague delivered its decision on July 12.
Countries that have maritime territorial disputes with China are increasingly uneasy. During his visit to Vietnam on September 3 -- the first visit by an Indian prime minister in 15 years -- Modi will notice the widespread anti-China sentiment in that country.
There is also palpable tension as Vietnam anticipates that China may take some robust steps in the South China Sea in the weeks following the G-20 Summit in Hangzhou on September 3-4.
Uncertainty is accentuated by the apparent unwillingness of the US to draw easily identifiable 'red lines.' China's economic and military might has pressured countries in the region and widened fissures in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations further weakening it. The Philippines and Taiwan are already feeling the adverse effects of China's economic pressure.
Expectation is high in Vietnam that Modi's visit will not only lend support to Vietnam's stance on the South China Sea, but qualitatively upgrade the bilateral relationship.
In addition to defence-related agreements and likely discussions on sale of the Brahmos missiles, assisting Vietnam to become self-sufficient in the production and maintenance of defence equipment, thereby lessening Hanoi's dependence on other countries would contribute to building an enduring relationship.
Potential areas of cooperation include pharmaceuticals, information technology, education and hospitals, all areas in which India's private sector has internationally demonstrated capabilities.
With an eye towards a long-term relationship with India, for example, Vietnam recently established a Centre for Indian Studies in the Ho Chi Minh National Academy of Politics, which trains upwardly mobile cadres and is directly under the politburo of the Communist Party of Vietnam.
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Chinese interlocutors state that the visits this week of Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar to the US and that of US Secretary of State John Kerry and US Commerce Secretary Penny Pritzker to New Delhi for the second Strategic and Commercial Dialogue have raised concerns in Beijing that India and the US are moving still closer and India could side with the US on the issue.
Alluding to the recent statement by Hu Shisheng, director of the Institute of South and Southeast Asian and Oceanian Studies at the China Institute of Contemporary International Relations, which is a think-tank of China's external intelligence arm, the ministry of state security, a Chinese interlocutor hinted that the remark was intended as a warning to India.....
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http://en.people.cn/n3/2016/0714/c90882-9086139.html
A dike between the Liangzi Lake and the Niushan Lake is blown up in central China's Hubei Province, July 14, 2016. Armed police destroyed the 3.7-kilometer-long embankment separating the Liangzi Lake and the Niushan Lake on Thursday to disperse surging floodwater. (Xinhua/Xiao Yijiu)

what do you people think about this? as a common perception, people think that this is china doing things quickly and decisively, taking swift action and all that tripe.
To me this signifies typical chinese behaviour, mindlessly doing things first with all show and pomp and then trying to rectify the situation."they swiftly demolished the dam" true, but at what cost to the taxpayer? and then people gush and fawn at the ballsy Chinese while thoo-thooking their own representatives. very odd

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http://www.livemint.com/Politics/7QPIck ... China.html
Political hotspots may bubble up on G-20 sidelines in China
As leaders prepare to meet in China for the G-20 summit, there are several hot-button issues to watch for
Hong Kong: This weekend the leaders of 20 of the world’s major economies gather in China to talk about issues ranging from the global economy to the threat of terrorism. As usual, it’s the sideline tensions that may capture attention.
Last year’s summit in Turkey was overshadowed by Islamic State’s deadly attacks on Paris just days before. The violence, which left 130 people dead and hundreds wounded, spurred a flurry of meetings on the sidelines, mostly about Syria, where a civil war helped create the conditions for the terrorist group to grow.
The previous year in Australia, talks were dominated by Russia’s occupation of Crimea and its alleged support for Ukraine separatists. The host country’s then leader, Tony Abbott, threatened to “shirtfront”—or tackle—Vladimir Putin, who ended up leaving the summit early. As leaders prepare to meet in China, there are several hot-button issues to watch for:
UK-China tensions
Prime Minister Theresa May will attempt to smooth over tensions that erupted after she postponed approval of the £18-billion ($24 billion) Hinkley Point nuclear power plant in southwest England. ...
Missile shield spat
Relations between Seoul and Beijing have become so frosty, so fast, there are doubts over whether Xi will meet at the G-20 with South Korean counterpart Park Geun Hye, who has in the past been received warmly. That’s after Park said she’d deploy a US missile shield on her country’s soil....
Turkey vs US
Turkey’s Recep Tayyip Erdogan and US President Barack Obama will meet for the first time since Erdogan suppressed an attempted coup in July...
East China Sea
Relations between North Asia’s two largest economies, China and Japan, are in a rough patch over disputed islands in the East China Sea....
Australia-China freeze
Tensions are brewing between Australia and China amid Australia’s criticism of China’s actions in the disputed South China Sea, and given the government’s decision to block the potential sale of an electricity grid to a Chinese company on national security grounds.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/CPEC-issue-Economic-ties-with-Pakistan-will-not-affect-Chinas-stand-on-Kashmir-says-Beijing/articleshow/53946095.cms


the CPEC is militarily politically and economically a threat to India. Period . It should not happen . It serves India that Pakistan is dismembered in this context :twisted:

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Postby Bheeshma » 31 Aug 2016 23:33

China is really scared now. All the high pitched think tanks doing the rona dhona is just a start. Most likely USN, IN, Aussie and JSMDF-navy will come together in SCS along with vietnam and RSN against the chinese. But it is crucial that India strange them in PoK and reclaim it while providing all support to Bauchistan. In Baluchistan India will not have full support from others.

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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 954176.cms
India outdoes China to regain Asian foothold
NEW DELHI: Some adroit diplomacy and China's penchant on betting on the top man in countries it looks to influence has helped India regain lost ground in its neighbourhood with the wheel turning in Nepal, Sri Lanka and the Maldives.
The decision of the Maldives government to issue an arrest warrant against ousted president Mohammed Nasheed signals the concern in the camp of incumbent Abdullah Yameen over Nasheed's recent return to the region. The sudden ouster of Nasheed in 2012 pushed India on the back foot and gave China an opening in the Indian Ocean archipelago. Some of Nasheed's hasty actions had helped bring about his downfall and arrest, ironically enough, on graft charges. But his travel to the UK for medical treatment and grant of asylum there set the stage for new political moves as he flew to Sri Lanka recently. Nasheed's moves are quietly backed by India and pressure is mounting on Yameen.
India is keen that elections allow Nasheed an opportunity to challenge rivals who have, in a bid to shore up their influence and keep India at bay, cozied up to China with President Xi Jinping visiting Male in 2014. Since then, the Modi government sought to retrieve ground with a defence cooperation pact earlier this year but Nasheed's return to the ring really challenges China's plans in the archipelago, which straddles important shipping lanes.
Apart from some behind-the-scene moves, India has been helped by China's strategy of relying heavily on the head of a country to conduct its business, a failing that has hurt its interests in Nepal and Lanka.......
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Postby Arjun » 02 Sep 2016 22:13

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 976250.cms

Incidentally, China has called the countries involved in the dispute - Vietnam, the Philippines, Brunei and Malaysia- "eunuch" and "paper tiger" and termed The Hague's tribunal "illegal and ridiculous.


Seriously, what kind of country uses such coarse language... China officially termed some countries as "eunuchs" ?!?! Even the Western powers have never stooped to language as cheap and lowly as this !

And to think that the only "great" naval expedition worth talking about in Chinese history was mostly due to the efforts of a Eunuch - who also happened to be a Muslim Hui. The loss of face to the Middle Kingdom Han race must be complete :rotfl:

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Postby Prem » 03 Sep 2016 10:57

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/09/02/did ... -identity/
Does Chinese Civilization Come From Ancient Egypt?
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But the professor didn’t just talk about geochemistry. He also cited several ancient Chinese classics, at one point quoting historian Sima Qian’s description of the topography of the Xia empire — traditionally regarded as China’s founding dynasty, dating from 2070 to 1600 B.C. “Northwards the stream is divided and becomes the nine rivers,” wrote Sima Qian in his first century historiography, the Records of the Grand Historian. “Reunited, it forms the opposing river and flows into the sea.”
In other words, “the stream” in question wasn’t China’s famed Yellow River, which flows from west to east. “There is only one major river in the world which flows northwards. Which one is it?” the professor asked. “The Nile,” someone replied. Sun then showed a map of the famed Egyptian river and its delta — with nine of its distributaries flowing into the Mediterranean. This author, a researcher at the same institute, watched as audience members broke into smiles and murmurs, intrigued that these ancient Chinese texts seemed to better agree with the geography of Egypt than that of China.In the past year, Sun, a highly decorated scientist, has ignited a passionate online debate with claims that the founders of Chinese civilization were not in any sense Chinese but actually migrants from Egypt. He conceived of this connection in the 1990s while performing radiometric dating of ancient Chinese bronzes; to his surprise, their chemical composition more closely resembled those of ancient Egyptian bronzes than native Chinese ores. Both Sun’s ideas and the controversy surrounding them flow out of a much older tradition of nationalist archaeology in China, which for more than a century has sought to answer a basic scientific question that has always been heavily politicized: Where do the Chinese people come from?
Sun argues that China’s Bronze Age technology, widely thought by scholars to have first entered the northwest of the country through the prehistoric Silk Road, actually came by sea. According to him, its bearers were the Hyksos, the Western Asian people who ruled parts of northern Egypt as foreigners between the 17th and 16th centuries B.C., until their eventual expulsion. He notes that the Hyksos possessed at an earlier date almost all the same remarkable technology — bronze metallurgy, chariots, literacy, domesticated plants and animals — that archaeologists discovered at the ancient city of Yin, the capital of China’s second dynasty, the Shang, between 1300 and 1046 B.C. Since the Hyksos are known to have developed ships for war and trade that enabled them to sail the Red and Mediterranean seas, Sun speculates that a small population escaped their collapsing dynasty using seafaring technology that eventually brought them and their Bronze Age culture to the coast of China.
nticipating his critics, Sun wrote online that to examine anew the origins of Chinese civilization “may appear ridiculous in the eyes of some, because historians long ago stated clearly: We are the children of the Yan and Yellow Emperor.” Historian Sima Qian took these legendary figures as the progenitor of the Han Chinese; and the Yellow Emperor’s great-grandson, Yu the Great, as the founder of the semimythical Xia dynasty. These served as the origin stories for imperial China and continued to be credited for decades after the Republic replaced it in 1912, so that even the nation’s most iconoclastic and rebellious sons — Sun Yat-Sen, Chiang Kai-Shek, and People’s Republic founder Mao Zedong among them — have at some time or other felt the need to pay their respects at the Yellow Emperor’s tomb. Even now, the oft-repeated claim that Chinese civilization is approximately 5,000 years old takes as its starting point the supposed reign of this legendary emperor.
Anti-Qing intellectuals began to examine critically the roots of Chinese civilization and, for the first time, seized on the idea that they lay in the West.Unbeknownst to many, an anti-Qing Dynasty agitator was the first to publish (under a pseudonym) this claim for the nation’s antiquity in 1903. As his nationalist ideology had it, “If we desire to preserve the survival of the Han Nation, then it is imperative that we venerate the Yellow Emperor.” At that time, the Qing dynasty was in serious decline, its obvious backwardness compared with Western powers the cause of much soul-searching. Anti-Qing intellectuals began to examine critically the roots of Chinese civilization and, for the first time, seized on the idea that they lay in the West. The work that most captured their imagination was that of the French philologist, Albert Terrien de Lacouperie, who in 1892 published the Western Origin of the Early Chinese Civilization from 2300 B.C. to 200 A.D. Translated into Chinese in 1903, it compared the hexagrams of the Book of Changes with the cuneiform of Mesopotamia and proposed that Chinese civilization originated in Babylon. The Yellow Emperor was identified with a King Nakhunte, who supposedly led his people out of the Middle East and into the Central Plain of the Yellow River Valley around 2300 B.C.

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Postby SSridhar » 03 Sep 2016 18:40

'This is our country, our airport,' shouts Chinese official as Barack Obama lands for G20 summit - AFP
When US President Barack Obama arrived in China on Saturday for his final trip to Asia as commander in chief, the ceremonial niceties were marred by an undiplomatic shouting incident on the tarmac.

Chinese authorities have imposed extremely tight security precautions for the G20 summit+ , and not even US National Security Adviser Susan Rice and the White House press corps were given any exemptions when the Air Force One landed in host city Hangzhou.

As usual when Obama travels, the reporters accompanying him were brought under the wing of the Boeing 747 to watch him come down the aircraft stairs, penned off behind a blue rope installed by Chinese security.

But that was not far away enough for the Chinese personnel, one of whom screamed at White House staff, demanding the US press leave the scene.

A female White House official, handbag over her arm, told him that it was an American plane and the US president.

"This is our country!" the Chinese official, in a dark suit, shouted at her in English. "This is our airport!"

When US National Security Adviser Susan Rice and senior White House staffer Ben Rhodes tried to get closer to the president, lifting up the blue rope and walking under it, the official turned his ire on Rice, trying to block her progress.

As they exchanged angry words her Secret Service agent stepped in to usher her past him.

Moments afterwards the US president's motorcade was rolling away, towards a city of nine million people that has been denuded of around a quarter of its population for the event.

Factories have been closed+ to ensure blue skies, potential troublemakers detained, and the wide boulevards of a city lauded by Venetian traveller Marco Polo are empty.

"They did things that weren't anticipated," Rice told reporters later.

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Re: China Watch Thread-I

Postby ramana » 04 Sep 2016 06:51

So maybe Gowarikar was right after all! Ancient Egyptians didn't get to Harappa, but to Xian and founded the Chinese dynasties.

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Postby Austin » 04 Sep 2016 11:18

China willing to maintain ‘hard-won sound’ ties with India: Xi

http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 072120.ece

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http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/03/politics/ ... n-erdogan/
G20 in China: Syria, Brexit on Obama's agenda
Hangzhou, China (CNN)US President Barack Obama is continuing his diplomatic slog in China Sunday, meeting with counterparts from the United Kingdom and Turkey -- two essential US allies -- as each leader confronts widespread internal strife back home.
It's the second day of high-stakes diplomacy for Obama, who arrived here Saturday to an inauspicious welcome: no red-carpeted stairs for Air Force One and open quarreling on the tarmac between Chinese and US officials over press access. Other leaders arriving for the G20 here were greeted with a far grander welcome.
he rancor continued throughout Saturday as Obama met with Chinese President Xi Jinping to cement a carbon reduction agreement and haggle over longstanding disputes like cyber security and maritime aggression.
Obama said Sunday the US would never apologize for its insistence upon press access, but said he understood why Chinese officials may have chafed at the Americans' demands.
"We don't leave our values and ideals behind when we take these trips. It can cause some friction," Obama said following his meeting with Theresa May, the newly installed British prime minister. At the same time, Obama cautioned against inflating the incident.
"I wouldn't over crank the significance of it," he said. "We've got a lot of planes and helicopters and a lot of cars and a lot of guys and, you know, if you're a host country, sometimes it may feel a little bit much."......
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... val-at-g20
Barack Obama 'deliberately snubbed' by Chinese in chaotic arrival at G20
China’s leaders have been accused of delivering a calculated diplomatic snub to Barack Obama after the US president was not provided with a staircase to leave his plane during his chaotic arrival in Hangzhou ahead of the start of the G20.
Chinese authorities have rolled out the red carpet for leaders including India’s prime pinister Narendra Modi, Russian president Vladimir Putin, South Korean president Park Geun-hye, Brazil’s president Michel Temer and British prime minister Theresa May, who touched down on Sunday morning.
But the leader of the world’s largest economy, who is on his final tour of Asia, was forced to disembark from Air Force One through a little-used exit in the plane’s belly after no rolling staircase was provided when he landed in the eastern Chinese city on Saturday afternoon.
When Obama did find his way onto a red carpet on the tarmac below there were heated altercations between US and Chinese officials, with one Chinese official caught on video shouting: “This is our country! This is our airport!”
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Jorge Guajardo, Mexico’s former ambassador to China, said he was convinced Obama’s treatment was part of a calculated snub.
“These things do not happen by mistake. Not with the Chinese,” Guajardo, who hosted presidents Enrique Peña Nieto and Felipe Calderón during his time in Beijing, told the Guardian.
“I’ve dealt with the Chinese for six years. I’ve done these visits. I took Xi Jinping to Mexico. I received two Mexican presidents in China. I know exactly how these things get worked out. It’s down to the last detail in everything. It’s not a mistake. It’s not.”
Guajardo added: “It’s a snub. It’s a way of saying: ‘You know, you’re not that special to us.’ It’s part of the new Chinese arrogance. It’s part of stirring up Chinese nationalism. It’s part of saying: ‘China stands up to the superpower.’ It’s part of saying: ‘And by the way, you’re just someone else to us.’ It works very well with the local audience.
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Postby g.sarkar » 04 Sep 2016 11:48

http://www.sify.com/news/modis-visit-to ... fgdia.html
Modi's Visit to Vietnam and China: The Strategic Underpinnings

Read more at: http://www.sify.com/news/modis-visit-to ... fgdia.html
The Prime Minister of India, Mr Narendra Modi started a four-day tour on September 2, visiting Vietnam and later China. At Hanoi, Prime Minister Modi met President Tran Dai Quang and Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc and hold wide-ranging talks with the top leadership.
To have a clearer picture of today we need to flip the pages into our near past. A past of not so long ago but of a few years down the lane. A quick scan would reveal that lots has changed over the past five to six years. It was this same very India that had permitted mention of Baluchistan at Sharm-el-Sheik in 2009, literally conceding her meddling in Pakistan's affairs. India stood apologetic.
It was this same India in 2013, that buckled under the Chinese pressure and withdrew invitation to Japan from participating in the annual Indo-US naval training manoeuvres, the Exercise Malabar. It was this very India in year 2013, seen by the world pussy footing, when the Chinese intruded into Depsang area of Daulat Beg Oldi (DBO) on April 15 and camped in Indian territory for complete 21 days. This intrusion was to remind India it's vulnerabilities on the LAC and a scuttle warning of sorts against confronting China in the SCC. The Indian Naval Chief on December 3, 2012 said that the Indian Navy will send force to protect our interests in the disputed waters of SCC. Unfortunately, the Indian establishment had tried hard to cover up and trivialise this breech on our sovereignty by comparing the intrusion it with an acne. Scam riddled nation presented a very dismal picture to world. India's neighbours had slipped into the Chinese basket. Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Maldives had gravitated towards China, while Pakistan was already it's all weather friend and a strategic partner. India appeared literally encircled. India's arch rival Pakistan got emboldened by each passing day. They continued to perpetrate terrorist strikes from Mumbai to Srinagar. India faced huge embarrassment when the Pakistani soldiers chopped the heads of two Indian soldiers on Line of Control on Jan 08, 2013.
Today India is the fastest growing economy the world. As per Goldman Sach's Timothy Moe, "India, despite a rough start to the year for markets and limited progress on headline reforms, will remain one of the strongest growth stories in the region". He views the current cyclical recovery -- coupled with improvements in the ease of doing business that have largely flown "beneath the radar" -- as positive signs for India's long-term growth and corporate earnings environment. A nationalist government at the centre having massive mandate has brought with it an era of stability, strength and self-confidence. India has put her relations with countries like Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka back on track while making deep inroads into Myanmar.
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Also earlier this week an influential Chinese think tank warned that Beijing will have to get involved if any Indian plot disrupts the $46 billion China-Pakistan economic corridor in restive Balochistan. The Chinese think tank, the Institute of South and Southeast Asian and Oceanian Studies at the China Institute of Contemporary International Relations, is among China's most powerful, and is affiliated with the country's ministry of state security. A researcher there said India's growing military ties with the US as well as its changed attitude on the disputed South China Sea are ringing alarm bells for China. State-run Chinese media has also indicated Beijing is extremely unhappy with India's strategic shift in dealing with Pakistan by talking about Pakistan's atrocities in Baluchistan and in Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir.
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Re: China Watch Thread-I

Postby Prem » 08 Sep 2016 01:45

http://www.express.co.uk/travel/article ... hnic-areas
Air China magazine tells tourists visiting London 'avoid Indian, Pakistani & black areas'

The magazine currently has a long feature on London - one of the most multicultural cities in the world. Journalist Haze Fan highlighted a snippet on London saftey on her Twitter account. The snippet she took a picture of reads in both Chinese and English. The translation says: "London is generally a safe place to travel, however precautions are needed when entering areas mainly populated by Indians,Pakistanis and black people."It continues: "We advise tourists not to go out alone at night, and females always to be accompanied by another person when traveling."


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