Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby wig » 26 Jun 2015 09:20

Report about Pakistani Male grooming gangs was supressed to avoid inflaming racial tension -West Midlands Police admit not making a grooming report public in 2010 for fear it would inflame racial tensions ahead of the looming General Election
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... nsion.html

The report, which was released under the Freedom of Information Act, but was redacted, identified one school where teachers had brought the problem to the police’s attention.

It said officers had identified almost 140 potential victims some as young as 13, who were being plied with drugs and alcohol and then sexually abused and raped.

But the police report, which was shared with social services and other agencies at the time, stated: “The predominant offender profile of Pakistani Muslim males... combined with the predominant victim profile of white females has the potential to cause significant community tensions.

“There is a potential for a backlash against the vast majority of law abiding citizens from Asian/Pakistani communities from other members of the community believing their children have been exploited.

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Postby Avinash R » 26 Jun 2015 09:52

^Bakistani men rape girls in Britain for fun

British men rape bakistan for drug money

Equal Equal

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Postby chaanakya » 27 Jun 2015 18:51

Modi will be the first Indian PM to visit UK in almost a decade


After belying expectations that London would be one of the first desinations of Prime Minister Narendra Modi after forming the government in May 2014, preparations have now begun for his visit to the UK in November -- the first by an Indian Prime Minister in nearly a decade.

The last prime ministerial visit to that country was by Manmohan Singh in 2006. Since then, UK-India relations have plateaued, but now they are expected to be reinvigorated by Modi’s forthcoming visit. No major agreement has been signed between the two countries in recent years.

Foreign secretary S Jaishankar was in London for two days this week to meet British representatives and prepare the groundwork for the November visit. The dates of the visit, however, are yet to be finalised.


During the visit, the two prime ministers are likely to announce the ‘twinning’ of some British and Indian cities, particularly in the context of the Indian government’s plans for ‘smart cities’. Currently, Rajkot is ‘twinned’ with Leicester, which has a large population of Gujarati-origin people.

Contributing to the Modi government’s ‘skills’ agenda and participating in efforts to clean the Ganga are expected to figure on the agenda.

Modi is likely to reiterate India’s demand to clamp down on anti-India forces functioning and raising funds in Britain, and the extradition of individuals such as Tiger Hanif, Ravi Shankaran and Raymond Varley.


Since 2006, British prime ministers have visited India four times (Gordon Brown in 2008 and David Cameron three times), reflecting something of a ‘one-way traffic’. The 2004 Joint Declaration between the two countries envisaged annual summits.

Besides bilateral engagements, Modi is expected to receive another ‘rockstar’ reception from Britain’s large Indian diaspora, nearly half of them with origins in Gujarat. He is likely to address the Indian community at the Wembley Stadium or the Millennium Dome.

There was much uneasiness in British circles when Modi chose France as the first European country to visit (in April), but it was largely overtaken by the campaigning before May 7 general elections in Britain.

Cameron, who met Modi in Australia during the G20 meeting in October last, has often declared his eagerness to welcome Modi in London. His government (2010-15) had reversed the previous Labour government’s decision to boycott Gujarat after the 2002 riots in the state.

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Postby Manish_P » 29 Jun 2015 08:28

High alert across England after ten Hindus were seen doing Yoga in a London park

Meanwhile, in another news, five bombs which has got nothing to do with religion, ripped across different parts of Europe killing few infidels, following which the alert level was reduced and people were assured that normalcy has returned back to Al England.



Faking News :) :rotfl:

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Postby Philip » 29 Jun 2015 11:23

A Modi UK visit will do a lot of good for Indo-UK relations which have been somewhat in thde doldrums.The UK is still one of the top EU nations economically,and P-5 member,not forgetting the huge Indian diaspora there,which for the first time,voted in significant measure for the Tories. Mr.M can leverage Indo-UK relations significantly on many issues,esp. curbing anti-Indian activites perpetrated from UK soil.A visit to Scotland too would be wise as Scotland is also going to be independent sooner rather than later.

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Postby RajeshA » 29 Jun 2015 14:15

Philip wrote:A Modi UK visit will do a lot of good for Indo-UK relations which have been somewhat in the doldrums.The UK is still one of the top EU nations economically,and P-5 member,not forgetting the huge Indian diaspora there,which for the first time,voted in significant measure for the Tories. Mr.M can leverage Indo-UK relations significantly on many issues,esp. curbing anti-Indian activities perpetrated from UK soil.A visit to Scotland too would be wise as Scotland is also going to be independent sooner rather than later.


The problem with Indo-UK relations are that they are not enough in the doldrums.

As long as India does not fully become Bharat and we purge all the historic British poison that has been injected into Indian veins, India and UK should keep their distance.

We can be polite to each other but from a distance!

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Postby Prem » 29 Jun 2015 21:15

UK needs to clarify to India about the mischiefs they are playing in AF-PAK. As usual they are upto no good there.

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Postby member_28638 » 29 Jun 2015 22:25

England's Son to stand in the dock over child sex abuse


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British politician to stand in the dock over child sex abuse

Mon Jun 29, 2015

In the UK, Labour peer Greville Ewan Janner is set to stand trial over alleged child sex abuses.

The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) has announced the decision which overturns a previous ruling that exempted the 89-year-old peer from criminal proceedings due to the onset of Alzheimer’s disease, RT reported on Monday.

The CPS said the Director of Public Prosecutions (DDP) Alison Saunders would pursue “criminal proceedings against Greville Janner for child sex offences.”

The decision to reverse Janner’s immunity came through the “recently introduced” Victim’s Right to Review scheme “which allows victims to have their cases looked at again, no matter who in the CPS made the original decision not to prosecute,” the report added.

Janner is expected to stand trial on August 7 at Westminster Magistrate’s Court.

Now Dr. John Bird, operations manager of the National Association for People Abused in Childhood, says the issue needs to be reflected by the public “because talking about it makes the society realize how widespread the problem is in the UK.”

Bird added that the UK for decades chose to look the other way instead of tending to the issue.

Janner will reportedly face 22 alleged offences which took place between 1969 and 1988.

The total charges against the peer include 14 indecent assaults on a male under the age of 16, four counts of gross indecency with a male under the age of 16, two counts of indecency and two further counts of gross indecency, RT noted.
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/06/2 ... -sex-abuse

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Postby jagga » 03 Jul 2015 15:59

Rise in Sharia marriages prompts polygamy fears
The UK has seen a surge in sharia marriages with many of them involving polygamy.
A lawyer dealing with cases claims there are now up to 100,000 such marriages mostly involving young Muslim men - which are not recognised under UK law and leave women without full legal rights.
Last year a report by AURAT, a charity which supports victims of honour-based violence, revealed that two thirds of Sharia marriages in its study were polygamous.

And how many of those involved are from Sooth-Asia? 8)

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Postby Varoon Shekhar » 03 Jul 2015 18:54

When the British forum guerillas realise that India is launching 5 of their country's satellites next week, are they going to criticise India even more for having a space programme( how dare that poor country launch ours, we should be launching theirs), or will they appreciate that India/ISRO is doing a good service for them, at a lower price than they would get almost anywhere?

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Postby Singha » 03 Jul 2015 20:07

I am amazed at the sheer size of the vehicle assembly building here. even darkseid the tyranical ruler of apokolips would be impressed to such such behemoth structs

http://www.isro.gov.in/sites/default/fi ... M_1151.jpg

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Postby rsingh » 03 Jul 2015 20:15

^^^
In such cases they try to show that launching sat is very low-tech blue collar job. Highly developed countries are doing the real research like finding nth Earth like planet 100 million light years away. UK students are made to believe that they have best space scientists who made this or that part of space station. And look the XYZ mars rover that is still functioning because of Great British technology.

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Postby Varoon Shekhar » 03 Jul 2015 20:34

Excuse the ignorance, but was this assembly building newly constructed for the GSLV Mark3, or was it previously used for the PSLV? I'm smart enough :) to know that the Mobile Launch Pedestal, on which the vehicle rests, was newly constructed for the Mark 3, and it is an achievement by itself, weighing in at some ~800 tonnes.

rsingh, very true, when India launched 2 Canadian satellites, back in 2013, a couple of CBC forum participants were at pains to explain that Canada was still ahead of India in space tech, because Canada built the "Canadaarm" for the Space Shuttle.

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Postby surinder » 04 Jul 2015 02:01

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/wo ... 7427592186

Maps have always been political weapons, tools of annexation in which the naming of places confers domination. Changing an ­endonym (the name used by the inhabitants of a given place) to an exonym (a name coined by outsiders) is a calculated act of conquest. Britain claimed, ludicrously, that the tallest mountain in the world did not have a name before it was named Everest after the 19th-century surveyor-general of India.

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Postby member_29112 » 04 Jul 2015 02:05

surinder wrote:http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/the-name-calling-that-cuts-islamic-state-down-to-size/story-fnb64oi6-1227427592186

I can't access the link, it say "You've reached a subscriber-only article."
Is it not public?

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Postby Vayutuvan » 04 Jul 2015 04:41

Varoon Shekhar wrote:... or will they appreciate that India/ISRO is doing a good service for them, at a lower price than they would get almost anywhere?

But India is stealing their high-tech jobs. :twisted:

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Postby Kashi » 04 Jul 2015 06:27

Varoon Shekhar wrote:When the British forum guerillas realise that India is launching 5 of their country's satellites next week, are they going to criticise India even more for having a space programme( how dare that poor country launch ours, we should be launching theirs), or will they appreciate that India/ISRO is doing a good service for them, at a lower price than they would get almost anywhere?


"We are paying for India's space programme with our aid"

and the variants thereof is all you'll see in the comments section of the Daily fail, Al Guradian and the rest.

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Postby Singha » 04 Jul 2015 06:34

we should call the highest mountain by its ancient name Chomo-lungma "mother goddess of the mountains"

these ancient massifs have seen the rise and fall of empire..the bartania sun never sets thing is but a blip on their aeonic timeline. mere bandicoots attempting to crown themselves kings in perpetuity.

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Postby Singha » 04 Jul 2015 06:38

the GSPV and its pad is the height of a 12 storey apartment, and its dia a huge 4m, twice that of the biggest ICBMs.
but its dwarfed by the VAB. I think its the new one and the older pslv/gslv VAB in the back.

did not realize sriharikota had a huge iit style 'campus' , was expecting a austere sdre type shack or two and a herd of bullocks to tow the gslv out :mrgreen: with a crew of helpers to mop up their dung as the bulls strained on the ropes and cluck-clucking british officials wrote up their drain inspector reports sipping gin and tonic on the verandah of the inspection bungalow. barefoot white capped native orderlies waiting to bring food and drinks for the saheeb.

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Postby Yayavar » 04 Jul 2015 06:41

The Nepalis call it Sagarmatha. It is usually translated as 'ocean' mother which seems odd. I wonder if it really is sagara - as in 'all' i.e mother of all.

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Postby jagga » 05 Jul 2015 13:04

Dream of Islamic Emirate of Great Britain is not far!
UK Muslim population of 26 million by 2051
No-one but a fool engages in scaremongering. But using the statistics and analysis of the Muslim Council of Britain, there is a real prospect of a UK Muslim population of 26 million by mid-century. Whatever your politics, serious people need to debate this, sensibly and honestly. No problem there, right?

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Postby surinder » 06 Jul 2015 21:19

hsrada,

Link is open, the article is about something else really, but this line on naming is interesting, though quite well known on BRF.

yayavar, Singha,
We should encourage Nepal to rename to its ancient names. Apparently the British tried to portray that there was a conflict in naming as "Hindus" Nepalis and "Budhist" Tibetans called it by a different name. Of course, the British have to step in to prevent the natives from fighting and had to give it a name. Apparently, the guy after whom it is named was alive opposed using it on ground that it is hard for Indians to pronounce--how very self-sacrificing, a story we have heard quite repeatedly that that how reluctantly the Britishers would step in.

End of the day, it is imperial graffitti. We have to clean it--sooner is better.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby surinder » 06 Jul 2015 21:19

Noticed that the football team is not from "UK" but from England! The map used to represent the team is not the UK map. Interesting.

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Postby Kashi » 07 Jul 2015 04:48

surinder wrote:Noticed that the football team is not from "UK" but from England! The map used to represent the team is not the UK map. Interesting.


All the four UK countries have their own national football (and rugby) teams. Scots even get a separate slot in European club competitions.

No other country n the world seems to enjoy this privilege.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby surinder » 08 Jul 2015 00:19

Have they always gone as separate countries or is this a recent change?

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Postby eklavya » 08 Jul 2015 01:26

In the Olympics the whole of the UK is represented by one team.

In most other competitions (football World Cup, cricket World Cup, rugby World Cup, commonwealth games, etc.) each "nation" has its own team.

In rugby in particular, the rivalries are fierce. The Welsh in particular are dedicated to their rugby team much like New Zealand with the All Blacks.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 08 Jul 2015 03:05

eklavya: So are they separate countries or one (in their minds)?

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Postby Yayavar » 08 Jul 2015 03:27

I enjoyed the 5-nation rugby (since then become 6-nation). It was basically Ireland, Scotland, Wales, France and England.
hmm...dont know where N. Ireland stands in all this..

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Postby Kashi » 08 Jul 2015 05:09

vayu tuvan wrote:eklavya: So are they separate countries or one (in their minds)?


Well there are Scottish and Northern Irish pounds in circulation (they are legal currency but not legal tender) and I believe English common law does not apply to Scotland and vice-versa, so this may be viewed as a union of different "sub-countries"

Football and Rugby have always had separate English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish teams and as eklavya pointed out, all of UK are represented as "Great Britain". I believe it may be the same for international sporting events such as world athletic championships as well.

Rivalries are fierce.

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Postby eklavya » 08 Jul 2015 10:54

vayu tuvan wrote:eklavya: So are they separate countries or one (in their minds)?


Multiple layers of identity, sometimes harmonious, and sometimes in conflict. Scottish devolution is a response to Scottish demands for a greater say in managing their own affairs independent of the wishes of the majority English. But they all carry one passport, there is one monarch, one set of armed forces, one foreign and trade policy, etc.

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Postby eklavya » 08 Jul 2015 13:02

Here's a rather tedious FT article that explores one of the issues:

English votes for English laws

English votes for English laws

The West Lothian question was named for Tam Dalyell, a former MP for that constituency. His four decades of service at Westminster were marked by his irritatingly insistent integrity. Why, he asked, was a Scottish member such as himself able to vote on health and education matters in England when an English MP had no say on similar policies in Scotland since their devolution to Edinburgh?

Forty years after the West Lothian question was first posed, the UK government has announced a scheme for “English votes for English laws”. Bills, or clauses of bills, that the House of Commons speaker asserts affect England only will require the legislative consent of a majority of English members.

The logic of English votes for English laws is irresistible. The problem lies in determining what are English laws. Suppose parliament decreed that all classrooms in England should display the flag of St George, financed by an increase in the English income tax rate. (Overlook, the fiscal impact of this on Wales and Northern Ireland, although their politicians will not.) The measure has no effect in Scotland and would clearly be an example of an English law.

Wrong. Under the Barnett formula, a complex grant system put in place in 1978, Scotland would automatically re­ceive funding to fly Saltires in every school, since the spending allocation is based on UK-wide spending on all de­volved services — in this case education.

And although the power for Edinburgh to impose and receive its own income tax — proposed in the wake of the narrow defeat for independence in last year’s referendum — is accompanied by a deduction from the Barnett formula’s grant to Scotland, that deduction is linked to the income tax base in the UK (rather than the amount actually collected from that base).

With sufficient mutual goodwill, compromises could be made. But there is little goodwill
The issue becomes most contentious when the change is in the other direction. Suppose the UK government rolled back the National Health Service in England through privatisation and charging patients more for their treatment, with lower (English) taxes in consequence. The Barnett formula would force Scotland to increase its own taxes to maintain spending and service.

And these are simple cases. The UK Treasury is for good reason adamantly opposed to hypothecation — the matching of specific taxes to specific expenditures. In general, it is impossible to tell whether England-only measures are financed by English-only taxes, where either English or UK-wide taxes go, and whether UK-wide spending is financed by UK taxes or England-only taxes.

This year’s policy document on devolution — entitled, with Walter Mittyish optimism, An Enduring Settlement — suggests these questions can be resolved using a “no detriment” principle. That is, there should be compensation when actions of one government have financial consequences for another. With sufficient mutual goodwill, adjustments could be made, compromises found.

But there is little goodwill, as heated exchanges in the past week show. Scottish Nationalist MPs at Westminster are not there to make the “enduring settlement” work but to show their constituents it does not. And the UK’s Conservative government, with little support in Scotland, must pander to its own (primarily English) backbenchers. Even if ignorant of the intricacies of the Barnett formula, they are increasingly restive having been made aware in the run-up to last year’s referendum that grumpy Scotland receives a very good financial deal from the union.

A more rational funding formula than Barnett might facilitate a more coherent debate. But the core issue is that it is genuinely difficult to identify purely English matters in a United Kingdom of which England constitutes 85 per cent of the population. The best answer to the West Lothian question is, as it always has been, to ignore it.

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Postby abhischekcc » 08 Jul 2015 13:16

yayavar wrote:The Nepalis call it Sagarmatha. It is usually translated as 'ocean' mother which seems odd. I wonder if it really is sagara - as in 'all' i.e mother of all.

It translates as Sagar- matha or Head of the Ocean. Matha = head, mata = mother.

It probably dates back to the time when everest was emerging from the ocean.

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby surinder » 08 Jul 2015 21:54

Which would make Sagar Matha name accurate based on the history of the geography.

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Postby fanne » 08 Jul 2015 21:56

sagar also means everywhere. Sagar najar darao, kuch nahi dikhta hai. So Sagar matha means head of everything (being tallest that is an apt name)

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Re: Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

Postby surinder » 09 Jul 2015 04:39

Work with Nepal and change the name; change text books; change Visa requirements and transit papers to disallow the colonial graffitti. The name will go away.

Who calls Beijing Peking any more? Who call Sri Lanka Cylone nowadays?

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Postby surinder » 09 Jul 2015 21:18

In the reports and documentaries on Everest, and what is striking is that none of them talk of the contributions of the Sherpas who make the expeditions of the "brave" "daring of these so-called climbers really happen. It takes dozens of Sherpas to enable each of this climbers to scale the peaks. Talk about complete denial of others. These visitors from the West have little regard for the local traditions of worshipping and their spiritual approach to the mountains.

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Postby Prem » 10 Jul 2015 06:30

Above was picture of
The Funeral of Shelley by Louis É. Fournier (1889); pictured in the centre are, from left, Trelawny, Hunt and Byron. Shelley wanted Chiita, Agni to Purify him not rot in Grave.

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Postby Murugan » 11 Jul 2015 07:59

I think the H&D of UK is not affected because of erstwhile colony launching their satellite

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