Indo-UK News and Discussion - April 2013

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 10 Dec 2016 23:46

had a look at cdc's website. It is owned by the poodle government and they aim to make a lasting difference to people's lives by investing in businesses in poor nations. are there other institutions that carry out such noble undertaking?

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 17 Dec 2016 04:06

And Forbes calls it. The first major western publication to make this official. My bet was that we'd overtake them in 2016-17, and for a time it seemed I was hasty, but Brexit helped:
India Surpasses Great Britain In Absolute GDP Terms

As Theresa May returned home from her unsuccessful visit to India, she would bear witness to another relegation for the UK: India’s economy will be larger than the UK’s, for the first time in more than 100 years. This dramatic shift has been driven by India’s rapid economic growth over the past 25 years as well as Britain's recent woes, particularly with the Brexit. Once expected to overtake the UK GDP in 2020, the surpasso has been accelerated by the nearly 20% decline in the value of the pound over the last 12 months, consequently UK’s 2016 GDP of GBP 1.87 trillion converts to $2.29 trillion at exchange rate of ~GBP 0.81 per $1, whereas India’s GDP of INR 153 trillion converts to $2.30 trillion at exchange rate of ~INR 66.6 per $1. Furthermore, this gap is expected to widen as India grows at 6 to 8% p.a. compared to UK’s growth of 1 to 2% p.a. until 2020, and likely beyond. Even if the currencies fluctuate that modify these figures to rough equality, the verdict is clear that India’s economy has surpassed that of the UK based on future growth prospects.

For a more complete picture, 2016 PPP GDPs (IMF WEO stats):
India $8.72 trillion
UK $2.78 trillion

India is the third largest economy in PPP terms, behind PRC ($21.26 trillion) and USA ($18.56 trillion) . We're far ahead of #4 Japan ($4.93 trillion), and projected to overtake the US as #2 in the late 2020s/early 2030s.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 17 Dec 2016 04:24

So we are sixth now in nominal GDP? We can overtake France by 2020, their GDP is few 100 billion dollars more than ours.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 17 Dec 2016 04:47

So after those briturds looted and raped us for 200+ years straight, it took us a little more than a quarter of that duration to overtake their economy? The briturds can shove that up their stiff upper and lower lips. Jolly good, what-what.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 17 Dec 2016 04:50

The good news is that this is not a fluke or a temporary aberration as the author suggests, there are deep systemic changes that are accelerating the process. If the Scotts get their act together, we will see a further acceleration (deceleration for the turds).

The time to leave them in the dust militarily and technologicaly is fast approaching.

GShankar · Post by **GShankar** » 17 Dec 2016 04:56

We should start a petition to remove the "Great" from their name

.

The odds to negotiate the return of kohinoor and other things are getting better and better.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 17 Dec 2016 05:04

Raja Bose wrote:So after those briturds looted and raped us for 200+ years straight, it took us a little more than a quarter of that duration to overtake their economy? The briturds can shove that up their stiff upper and lower lips. Jolly good, what-what.

It's more like 25 years saar. We should really count from 1990.

If it wasn't for Nehruvian socialism, we would have been ahead of them by the 80s.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 17 Dec 2016 05:46

Karthik S wrote:So we are sixth now in nominal GDP? We can overtake France by 2020, their GDP is few 100 billion dollars more than ours.

We will probably overtake France this year itself, or maybe early next. UK used to be ahead of France by some small change amount, until Brexit. Since then, they've exchanged spots and we've now relegated UK below us, with France soon to follow. We'll be in #5 spot within a year. It's Germany whom we'll overtake for #4 spot by 2020, and closing in on Japan for #3 spot.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 17 Dec 2016 08:03

GShankar wrote:We should start a petition to remove the "Great" from their name .

The odds to negotiate the return of kohinoor and other things are getting better and better.

India made it great and Indians, though bit late, will now make it grate.

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 19 Dec 2016 11:22

A lot of their economy is based on financing & banking - which is to say its GDP is inflated with smoke & fluff.

Post 2008, nobody is quite sure what value banking & high rolling actually represents.

This is why GDP measures are largely a crap shoot. Half of it can be made up out of whole cloth.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 19 Dec 2016 11:44

UK GDP Q3 2016 (Jul - Sep 2016): £469,056m or £46,905.6 Crore or Rs.39,63,523 Crore (assuming GBP/INR = 84.5, today's spot rate)

https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=GBPINR=X

India GDP Q2 FY2016-17 (Jul - Sep 2016): Rs.36,42,969 Crore (see p.7 of the GoI link below)

http://mospi.nic.in/sites/default/files ... 0nov16.pdf

France GDP Q3 2016 = €556bn = €55,600 Crore = Rs.39,39,260 Crore (assuming EUR/INR = 70.85, today's spot rate)

https://www.insee.fr/en/statistiques/fi ... ib_val.xls

http://finance.yahoo.com/quote/EURINR=X?ltr=1

ricky_v · Post by **ricky_v** » 19 Dec 2016 21:25

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/12 ... r-charges/

However, he was allowed spend £97,616 of public money in his failed bid to stay out of jail, the Daily Express has revealed. His lawyer’s full bill is yet to be released, so this figure is likely to rise significantly.

It has previously been revealed that the hate preacher has claimed up to £500,000 in benefits over several years, and last year he called on his followers to “take Jihadi Seeker’s Allowance”.

Detailing the substantial legal aid handed to Mr. Choudary, the Ministry of Justice said: “The Legal Aid Agency is yet to receive the final claim for payment in relation to this matter.”

The money paid so far went towards “litigator costs”, they claimed.

Tory MP Philip Hollobone commented: “I share the sense of widespread outrage that this individual should of [sic] been in receipt of such a large amount of taxpayers’ money.

“I would far rather this money is spent on compensation and rehabilitation for victims of terrorist crimes rather than those who seek to spread vile religious hatred.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 20 Dec 2016 17:23

Cross post from the Kriket sutra:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2016 ... parts-bat/
England's spinners follow the lead of their India counterparts... with the bat
.....
If this Test has been less colourful than the previous ones, it is partly because the pitch has been inevitably slow after the cyclone, partly because the outcome of this series has been decided, and partly because the groundstaff, while thoroughly efficient in mopping up after the storm, have been sartorially drabber. At the first two Test venues the majority were female.
Carrying tarpaulins on your head, and sweeping pitches in bare feet, may not accord with some definitions of equal rights but the 13 full-time female members of the Rajkot groundstaff, when interviewed by the Telegraph with a translator, were visibly delighted with their job.
One had been a groundswoman for 30 years, having moved from the old stadium in town. They all had a silver nose-ring and anklets, as it is the traditional custom to wear one’s savings in the form of jewelry rather than sticking them in a bank account - this wisdom manifest when the Indian government demonetised all 500- and 1000-rupee notes in November.
These women in Rajkot are paid a monthly salary of 9,600 rupees, or roughly £120, above the local average wage - so it could be argued the wealth of Indian cricket filters down. Those at the second Test venue of Visakhapatnam earn 6,000 per month, but are given a sari of different colour each day of the Test, orange the most striking. In this state of Andhra Pradesh, where many men work in the Gulf, most construction work is done by women.

The moral of this write up is that the Sahibs are not happy to lose to anybody specially uppity Indians who should know better than tweeking the lion's tail. If you scratch a little, not much of a difference between Australians and the British. As they say in Hindi ek hi thaile ke chatte batte.
Gautam

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 21 Dec 2016 00:31

White Pakis are more Pak than the Pakis

Muslim cleric banned in Pakistan is preaching in UK mosques

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... are_btn_tw

A Pakistani Muslim cleric who celebrated the murder of a popular politician is in Britain on a speaking tour of mosques. The news has alarmed social cohesion experts who fear such tours are promoting divisions in the Muslim community.

Syed Muzaffar Shah Qadri has been banned from preaching in Pakistan because his sermons are considered too incendiary. However, he is due to visit a number of English mosques, in heavily promoted events where he is given star billing.

Qadri publicly praises Mumtaz Qadri who in 2011 murdered his employer, Salman Taseer, a popular Pakistani politician who spoke out against the country’s blasphemy laws. Qadri was executed earlier this year but to his tens of thousands of supporters he remains a hero who defended their interpretation of Islam.

Mumtaz Qadri was a key influence on Tanveer Ahmed, the Bradford taxi driver who in March stabbed to death Asad Shah. Shah, a member of the Ahmadi Muslim community who ran a convenience shop in Glasgow, was targeted after messages he put out on social media including an Easter greeting to Christians.

His was one of several recent high profile murders in which a Muslim from one community was killed by a Muslim from another community for holding what they considered to be “blasphemous” views. In February, a former Sufi imam in Rochdale was murdered by two Islamic State supporters whom they claimed was practising “black magic”. In May, a Sufi Muslim leader was hacked to death near the north Bangladeshi town of Rajshahi in what police said was an attack by Islamic extremists.

Qadri, considered by many scholars to hold moderate views except on blasphemy, was due to speak at the Falkirk Central mosque in Scotland, but his invitation was withdrawn after a public outcry. However, the Observer has established that he is due to appear at several mosques in England.
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The Sunday Post in Scotland reported that Qadri has been labelled a “firebrand” by the authorities in Karachi and barred from preaching his incendiary sermons. He was accused of acting in a manner “prejudicial to public safety and maintenance of public order”. He was banned from addressing crowds in October, according to a legal document seen by the Post.

Video footage on social media sites shows Qadri telling crowds that the killing of Taseer was lawful.

Irfan al-Alawi, international director at the Centre for Islamic Pluralism, a US thinktank, said Qadri received large sums of money for his UK tour and accused him of increasing tensions among different Muslim sects.

“Syed Muzaffar Shah Qadri and the likes of him should not be allowed to enter the UK or Europe because he incites hatred and he claims to be a Sufi, but the message of Sufism is love all and hate none,” Alawi said.

“The Sunni Muslims do not need Pakistani or Indian imams to enter the UK and preach hatred. Just as Zakir Naik was banned, the government should be hard on these preachers of hate and also with the people and mosques which invite them.”

Naik was an extremist Islamist preacher barred from preaching in the UK by Theresa May, when she was the home secretary, in 2011.

Flyers promoting Qadri’s appearances in the UK, obtained by the Observer, confirm that he is due to preach on Sunday in Leicester, in Woking on Boxing Day and in Bolton on New Year’s Eve. It is believed he will also make appearances at other mosques.

None of the three mosques responded to requests for comment.

Haras Rafiq, chief executive of the Quilliam Foundation, said Qadri was the type of preacher who presented new challenges for promoting cohesion in Britain’s Muslim community.

“These are people who may not be extremist in the way that we know Isis or Boko Haram are extremist,” Rafiq said. “But when they apply the blasphemy law to justify the killing of other Muslims for not being the right Muslims then we have a huge challenge. Anybody who supports the murder of another person is dangerous.”

A Home Office spokeswoman said: “We do not routinely comment on individual cases.”

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 23 Dec 2016 03:49

LONDON: British spies are taking the fight to the enemy by penetrating the dreaded Islamic State and other terror groups to prevent attacks on the UK, the chief of Britain's Secret Intelligence Service MI6 has indicated.
Alex Younger used a first-of-its-kind speech within MI6 headquarters in London to warn that a "highly organised" ISIS external cell was planning to unleash more violence on the West and that Britain's intelligence services had disrupted at least 12 terrorist plots in the UK since June 2013.
"We need to take the fight to the enemy, penetrating terrorist organisations upstream. By which I mean as close to the source as possible. In footballing terms, it is about always ensuring that you are playing in the opponent's half... They (agents) know that the result of being identified as an MI6 agent could be their death.
"But they do what they do because they believe in protecting their country and religion from the evil that Daesh (ISIS) and other terrorist organisations represent," he said.
"I will not seek to hide the challenges that come with work against an organisation as murderously efficient as Daesh (ISIS), but MI6 and GCHQ intelligence has on numerous occasions given MI5 and the police the information they need to identify and stop threats in the UK and to our allies," he added.
The head of the Secret Intelligence Service also described the scale of the terrorist threat to the UK as "unprecedented".
"As I speak, the highly organised external attack planning structures within Daesh... are plotting ways to project violence against the UK and our allies without ever having to leave Syria," he warned.
Younger, the 16th chief since MI6 was founded in 1909, is known as "C", rather than "M" as in the James Bond films based on Ian Fleming's famous fictional spy.
C is the only member of MI6 who can be publicly identified.

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 23 Dec 2016 04:13

IndraD wrote:Alex Younger used a first-of-its-kind speech within MI6 headquarters in London to warn that a "highly organised" ISIS external cell was planning to unleash more violence on the West and that Britain's intelligence services had disrupted at least 12 terrorist plots in the UK since June 2013.
"We need to take the fight to the enemy, penetrating terrorist organisations upstream. By which I mean as close to the source as possible. In footballing terms, it is about always ensuring that you are playing in the opponent's half... They (agents) know that the result of being identified as an MI6 agent could be their death.
"But they do what they do because they believe in protecting their country and religion from the evil that Daesh (ISIS) and other terrorist organisations represent," he said.

Imagine India's RAW putting a statement out like that, all the seculars and all the so dubbed "hindutvavadis" starting from the PM Modi would cringe and offer apologies. Only SDRE yindoos are not clear and upfront without being apologetic. All others are unapologetic, clear and consistent with what needs to be protected and defended. Only confused, deracinated and conditional yindoos and even most regular yindoos, who pride in being secular are unclear what to do.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 23 Dec 2016 04:55

well noted JM!

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 25 Dec 2016 21:00

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 70451.html

Uluk Ultas, a Turkish academic and political analyst who is writing a book on Syrian rebels was also aware of the “British connection”. He said: “There is a pretty widespread feeling that the UK has managed to infiltrate a number of groups, including Isis, and that the Isis leadership was aware of this and worried. I was surprised when I was first told this, because I thought it would be the Americans who would be taking the lead in this among the Western countries, but it seems the British have been working on this for a while, don’t forget Almaghribi was arrested by Daesh two years ago.”

It could of course be a double bluff to sow suspicion and confusion in the minds of their Arab hosts.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 26 Dec 2016 10:19

And God takes him back on Christmas, the immortal musical legend, George Michael:

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-15925376

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=izGwDsrQ1eQ

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E8gmARGvPlI

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 26 Dec 2016 10:46

The dailyfail

and

because the "Chennai six will spend Christmas in Indian prison"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ashed.html

Christmas Day in jail for the 'pirate hunters': Former British soldiers dubbed the 'Chennai Six' will spend today in 'hell hole' India prison after their hopes of coming home were dashed
Six former British soldiers are spending Christmas Day in an Indian prison
They were jailed for five years in January on weapons charges from 2013
The 'Chennai Six' are forced to sleep on concrete floors in Puzhal prison
The case was raised by Prime Minister Theresa May during a recent visit to India

The comments are comedy gold..

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 26 Dec 2016 12:02

IndraD wrote: Younger, the 16th chief since MI6 was founded in 1909, is known as "C", rather than "M" as in the James Bond films based on Ian Fleming's famous fictional spy.
C is the only member of MI6 who can be publicly identified.

<Offtopic>The chief of MI6 is always traditionally known as "C", it is not just this Younger fella. The reason for this is that the first chief of MI6 was a guy named Mansfield Cumming and he had the habit of signing all paperwork on his desk with the initial letter of his last name, "C" (so that he'd know which papers he'd read and which ones he hadn't). Other subsequent chiefs simply followed his lead, except they claimed that "C" stood for "Chief". By the way, Ian Fleming did work for MI6 for a while and was aware of the reason behind the "C" signature. Therefore, when he started writing the Bond novels, he took the first letter of Mansfield Cummings first name instead and that's why James Bond's boss is called "M".</Offtopic>

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Dec 2016 12:20

Kashi wrote:The dailyfail and because the "Chennai six will spend Christmas in Indian prison"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ashed.html

Christmas Day in jail for the 'pirate hunters': Former British soldiers dubbed the 'Chennai Six' will spend today in 'hell hole' India prison after their hopes of coming home were dashed
Six former British soldiers are spending Christmas Day in an Indian prison
They were jailed for five years in January on weapons charges from 2013
The 'Chennai Six' are forced to sleep on concrete floors in Puzhal prison
The case was raised by Prime Minister Theresa May during a recent visit to India
The comments are comedy gold..

big burnol moment for the brits.

Their writ has stopped running everywhere, the sun has set and they are shitting in holes in the ground in a "backward" country, convicted by the very laws passed by the brits when they were in India.

god save the queen??

the vatican pasand congis would have let them go via the eyetalian connection.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 26 Dec 2016 13:13

Lol britshits are "pirate hunters" now? Weren't they THE pirates to begin with.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 28 Dec 2016 19:16

>>"But they do what they do because they believe in protecting their country and religion from the evil that Daesh (ISIS) and other terrorist organisations represent,"

The religion referred to here is Islam. In other words, the deep penetration assets are British Muslims. This could, of course, just be another tactics to get a few more British Musliims currently inside ISIS knocked out "just in case"...

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 28 Dec 2016 22:18

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... government

Calais child asylum seekers launch legal action against UK government

In the legal challenge the government is accused of reneging on its commitment to bring vulnerable accompanied refugee children to the UK under section 67 of the Immigration Act, known as the Dubs amendment. This makes provision for particularly vulnerable children to come to the UK at the discretion of the government.

According to the children’s lawyers, the Home Office has failed to allow the relocation of many of the most vulnerable children to the UK, failed to give proper written decisions in refusing these applications and failed to use its discretion in response to extreme cases.

The judicial review focuses on the specific circumstances of one 14-year-old boy from Afghanistan as well as on the broader issues affecting all of the children.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 28 Dec 2016 22:43

^^^^^
These children are already in France, a rich stable democratic country, with a much better social security system than the UK. I have never quite understood why they are trying to leave France for Britain. With the derivatives wallahs from X, one gets its: its preferable to pay tax at 47% than 75%. But why these kids?

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 28 Dec 2016 22:51

JE Menon wrote:>>"But they do what they do because they believe in protecting their country and religion from the evil that Daesh (ISIS) and other terrorist organisations represent,"

The religion referred to here is Islam. In other words, the deep penetration assets are British Muslims. This could, of course, just be another tactics to get a few more British Musliims currently inside ISIS knocked out "just in case"...

JEM, if the assets were deployed in Arabia, I think the quote above would be an incredibly irresponsible statement to make: you are after all drawing heat to your own asset. I believe most of these assets are actually deployed at home, to keep a close eye on the home grown nut cases, who after all, are better placed (literally) to harm the UK directly. In which case, the statement makes sense; if it does lead to suspicion, the fellows getting eliminated are your liabilities not your assets. Some camel and donkey game going on here.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 28 Dec 2016 23:43

^ Sounds like a psy op to induce suspicion in IS against Brit Muslim, so that even if they reach Arabia some how, they remain outsiders in IS: cooking, washing utensils, toilet etc.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 28 Dec 2016 23:45

Furious Tesco shopper is ordered to 'go and join another queue' by Muslim cashier who refused to sell him a bottle of wine because it was 'against her religion'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z4U9pn29zQ

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 29 Dec 2016 07:24

^^^^^
Wonder if this cashier is able to process a shopping basket with ham, bacon, pork sausages?

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 29 Dec 2016 07:30

The man should have known better than to approach the Halal counter with alcohol. Such acts only serve to strengthen the hands of extremists on both sides and customers should be mindful of that.

GShankar · Post by **GShankar** » 29 Dec 2016 07:38

When so many in Syria don't have drinking water, how dare he buy wine?

Kudos to the cashier for standing up to the insensitive British shopper.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 29 Dec 2016 09:35

He might be more comfortable with sharia compliant shoppers in Pakistan. The culture in Britain has wine as a large component.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 29 Dec 2016 10:01

She probably might not be "more comfortable with sharia compliant shoppers in Pakistan", else she and probably her family would not be in UK in the first place.

Had she tried such a stunt in a Paki shop/supermarket, she would probably have been thrashed to within an inch of her life for
a. Denying the customer,
b. Being a women who dared deny a male customer and
c. What was an unaccompanied woman doing in a shop anyway?

They want the culture in Britain and elsewhere to be sharia compliant as they define it.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 29 Dec 2016 10:14

My resolve is steely and my words are irony.

Nick_S · Post by **Nick_S** » 30 Dec 2016 13:20

British woman reveals horror of being kidnapped and raped for 13 years by man who sold the babies she was forced to carry

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2493070/b ... -to-carry/

Anna, whose name has been changed for her protection, claims that for 13 years she lived with “Malik”, his mum, brothers and their wives but was never helped.

Must have been another peaceful brotherly Packie family...

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 30 Dec 2016 18:55

^^^^
The recorded interview makes clear it was a Pakistani family:

British woman 'sex slave for 13 years'

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 30 Dec 2016 22:09

chetak wrote:
Kashi wrote:The dailyfail and because the "Chennai six will spend Christmas in Indian prison"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ashed.html

The comments are comedy gold..
big burnol moment for the brits.

Their writ has stopped running everywhere, the sun has set and they are shitting in holes in the ground in a "backward" country, convicted by the very laws passed by the brits when they were in India.

god save the queen??

the vatican pasand congis would have let them go via the eyetalian connection.

Actually what would it take for them to be let go?
There is another thing. What is stopping the Uk Government from commenting on India's judicial system. It is not as if the BBc and the rest have not printed comments from politicians and various experts in international law.

Also it appears that the guns were supplied by a uk based company:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... d-in-india

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 04 Jan 2017 03:26

https://scroll.in/magazine/825253/sebas ... pic-legend
FAMILY TREES
Sebastian Malhotra Coe: The little-known Punjabi connection of an English Olympic legend
Lord Coe might seem the quintessential posh Englishman. But he has an interesting Indian link.
.....
So it would come as a surprise to many that the posh Lord Coe is the grandson of a Punjabi gentleman named Sardari Lal Malhotra.
Family tree
It is a romantic story. Sardari Lal was an Indian student from a middle class family who went to England to study law in the 1920s. While in England, he met an English girl, Vera Swann, a member of Uday Shankar’s dance troupe, and they fell in love and got married. But life for an inter-racial couple in London was not easy in those days, and Sardari Lal and Vera decided to move back to India.
.....
Lord Coe is a somewhat polarising figure in Britain today. One the one hand, he is disliked by some as being overly posh and arrogant. But on the other hand, he is attacked by right wing goons for his Indian heritage. On Stormfront.org, a White Nationalist mouthpiece, for example, there is a detailed discussion on Lord Coe’s ethnicity: it notes that he is 1/8 Punjabi, and and chillingly, discusses how “Indian appearance fades out quickly within a generation or two.… This goes to show how nationalists must use a great deal of discernment and look beyond appearance when judging who is white and who isn’t”.
.....

Gautam