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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby member_28353 » 17 Jan 2014 21:23

Shashi Tharoor issue took a tragic turn.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 965573.cms

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby ramana » 28 Jan 2014 03:52

Most likely one of B Ramangaru's last articles in SAAG


28 April 2013:

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby sum » 28 Jan 2014 09:03

As suspected, Blore is now under cover of 2SF:
Making of Predators | Vital installations, buildings in South India under complete SF radar

The Special Forces (SF) unit of the Indian Army based in Bangalore has quietly mapped all big government and private establishments in South India to act quickly and effectively in case of a terror strike. “We are ready to take off at very short notice and can be deployed in any part of South India,” its Commanding Officer, who did not wish to be identified, told Express.
Operating from a 180-acre erstwhile military farm, the unit is in regular touch with the Internal Security Division (ISD), Karnataka’s counter-terrorist police unit. The Special Forces unit was established in Bangalore five years ago in the wake of the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, which claimed 164 lives.
Over these five years, the unit has prepared dossiers with detailed layouts of every major government, private and commercial establishment in the four southern states. These are stored in the form of satellite images, photos and maps at the unit. A few years ago, the SF team had done a mock drill on the 13th floor of Bangalore’s ITPL after entering the building through the 16th floor. It executed another mock drill at a Wipro unit.
In 2011, the unit collaborated with NSG Commandos and conducted security training at a Taj hotel. In 2011, the unit went on a UN mission to South Sudan. “Our boys have done recce missions at almost all places in Bangalore which are VAVPs,” said the CO. In army terminology, VAVP stands for Vital Area, Vital Point. The unit has trained with the ISD and the two are geared to work together on specific inputs. “Mysore is also on our radar,” he said. Force-1, the elite special commando force of Maharashtra designed on the lines of NSG, was trained by the SF unit, while Karnataka’s ISD had sought its help.
An Army aviation unit using advanced light helicopter Dhruv makes regular visits to the unit. The Indian Air Force station in Yelahanka is the nearest air strip available for the SF to launch major missions.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

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sum wrote:As suspected, Blore is now under cover of 2SF:
Making of Predators | Vital installations, buildings in South India under complete SF radar

The Special Forces (SF) unit of the Indian Army based in Bangalore has quietly mapped all big government and private establishments in South India to act quickly and effectively in case of a terror strike. “We are ready to take off at very short notice and can be deployed in any part of South India,” its Commanding Officer, who did not wish to be identified, told Express.
Operating from a 180-acre erstwhile military farm, the unit is in regular touch with the Internal Security Division (ISD), Karnataka’s counter-terrorist police unit. The Special Forces unit was established in Bangalore five years ago in the wake of the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks, which claimed 164 lives.
Over these five years, the unit has prepared dossiers with detailed layouts of every major government, private and commercial establishment in the four southern states. These are stored in the form of satellite images, photos and maps at the unit. A few years ago, the SF team had done a mock drill on the 13th floor of Bangalore’s ITPL after entering the building through the 16th floor. It executed another mock drill at a Wipro unit.
In 2011, the unit collaborated with NSG Commandos and conducted security training at a Taj hotel. In 2011, the unit went on a UN mission to South Sudan. “Our boys have done recce missions at almost all places in Bangalore which are VAVPs,” said the CO. In army terminology, VAVP stands for Vital Area, Vital Point. The unit has trained with the ISD and the two are geared to work together on specific inputs. “Mysore is also on our radar,” he said. Force-1, the elite special commando force of Maharashtra designed on the lines of NSG, was trained by the SF unit, while Karnataka’s ISD had sought its help.
An Army aviation unit using advanced light helicopter Dhruv makes regular visits to the unit. The Indian Air Force station in Yelahanka is the nearest air strip available for the SF to launch major missions.


Hopefully NSG and its hubs are doing the same for all parts of India. On the other note, looks like no plans for NSG to be based in Bangalore.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Karan M » 06 Feb 2014 09:17

There was a political angle as well. DMK was an alliance partner. The NSG hub selection was also influenced in part by this.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Aaryan » 06 Feb 2014 13:11

abhishek_sharma wrote:Two more points:

1. R&AW did "informally" alert IB to not allow the suspect to leave India. However, he managed to cross Indo-Nepal border. I guess we can deduce that IB has a weak presence along the Nepal border.

2. It was clear that the suspect was living a very rich life. But we could not find out how he was getting that kind of money. Either people did not pay attention to his bank accounts (that is unlikely), or he found a creative way of getting his baksheesh.


Sorry for entering late into this debate.. Although it can easily be dismissed as a conspiracy theory but may be Rabinder Singh was just a mediocre small fish.. May be he knew something about someone in higher up.. What if he was alerted and was helped to leave to protect some one in higher up. By the way after reading the book role of Mr B Mishra during the whole episode looks fishy.. Also the way in which Mr Jeev ( Mr Amar) handled the whole case and kept pushing his subordinates for more proof looks more like a crime scene investigation and not some counter intelligence operation.. But for Mr Jeevs ( Mr Amars) desire of taking a high moral ground, Rabinder could have never escaped.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby member_25399 » 06 Feb 2014 14:00

Bad news !!
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/ishrat-jahan-killing-cbi-likely-to-charge-intelligence-bureau-officers-with-murder-479980?pfrom=home-lateststories
Ahmedabad: The CBI is likely to charge Rajinder Kumar, who headed the Intelligence Bureau in Gujarat, and three more officers with murder and conspiracy in the case of college student Ishrat Jahan, who was killed by state police officers 10 years ago.

In its second charge-sheet in the case, the CBI is likely to name Mr Kumar, who retired in June, and three serving Intelligence Bureau (IB) officers, P Mittal, MK Sinha and Rajiv Wankhede. The move is expected to worsen the friction between the two agencies over this case. The IB and home ministry had insisted that the officers can't be charged for doing their duty, and passing on intelligence.

19-year-old Ishrat Jahan was killed along with Pranesh Pillai, Amjad Ali and Jishan Johar on the outskirts of Ahmedabad on 15 June, 2004, by Gujarat crime branch officers who claimed they had been told by the IB that the four were terrorists who planned to assassinate Narendra Modi, the state's chief minister now running for Prime Minister.

Sources say the CBI charge-sheet is likely to say that there was no proof that 19-year-old Ishrat was a terrorist.

In its first charge-sheet in July, the CBI accused seven senior policemen of murdering Ishrat and the others "in cold blood" and of planting an AK-56 at the scene of the shooting to portray the victims as terrorists. CBI sources say Rajinder Kumar provided the weapon and is likely to be charged under the Arms Act.

The Intelligence Bureau has said that though it alerted the Gujarat police to the possibility that the group was affiliated to the Pakistani terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba, its officers did not authorize or participate in the extra-judicial killing.

Sources say the CBI's new charge-sheet does not name Amit Shah, who was Mr Modi's Home Minister when Ishrat was killed. One of the charge-sheeted officers, DG Vanzara, who was then Deputy Commissioner of the Ahmedabad Crime Branch, has alleged that Mr Shah was aware of the police's actions.

Mr Shah's likely reprieve in the case will cheer the BJP, which has given him charge of the party's campaign in Uttar Pradesh for the national election.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby sum » 06 Feb 2014 14:20

^^WTF!

Anyways, luckily all this is only during the sunset of this cursed govt and the next gov can reprieve things.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Aaryan » 06 Feb 2014 14:57

gauravsh wrote:Bad news !!
http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/ishrat-jahan-killing-cbi-likely-to-charge-intelligence-bureau-officers-with-murder-479980?pfrom=home-lateststories
Ahmedabad: The CBI is likely to charge Rajinder Kumar, who headed the Intelligence Bureau in Gujarat, and three more officers with murder and conspiracy in the case of college student Ishrat Jahan, who was killed by state police officers 10 years ago.

In its second charge-sheet in the case, the CBI is likely to name Mr Kumar, who retired in June, and three serving Intelligence Bureau (IB) officers, P Mittal, MK Sinha and Rajiv Wankhede. The move is expected to worsen the friction between the two agencies over this case. The IB and home ministry had insisted that the officers can't be charged for doing their duty, and passing on intelligence.

19-year-old Ishrat Jahan was killed along with Pranesh Pillai, Amjad Ali and Jishan Johar on the outskirts of Ahmedabad on 15 June, 2004, by Gujarat crime branch officers who claimed they had been told by the IB that the four were terrorists who planned to assassinate Narendra Modi, the state's chief minister now running for Prime Minister.

Sources say the CBI charge-sheet is likely to say that there was no proof that 19-year-old Ishrat was a terrorist.

In its first charge-sheet in July, the CBI accused seven senior policemen of murdering Ishrat and the others "in cold blood" and of planting an AK-56 at the scene of the shooting to portray the victims as terrorists. CBI sources say Rajinder Kumar provided the weapon and is likely to be charged under the Arms Act.

The Intelligence Bureau has said that though it alerted the Gujarat police to the possibility that the group was affiliated to the Pakistani terror group Lashkar-e-Taiba, its officers did not authorize or participate in the extra-judicial killing.

Sources say the CBI's new charge-sheet does not name Amit Shah, who was Mr Modi's Home Minister when Ishrat was killed. One of the charge-sheeted officers, DG Vanzara, who was then Deputy Commissioner of the Ahmedabad Crime Branch, has alleged that Mr Shah was aware of the police's actions.

Mr Shah's likely reprieve in the case will cheer the BJP, which has given him charge of the party's campaign in Uttar Pradesh for the national election.


Its an Old news which is recycled in every few months.. Last june-july Rana Ayyub of tehelka published same story.. She even said that Rajendra Kumar will be arrested in july 2013. Nothing happened , in fact when I tweeted her and asked what happened to her tall claims she blocked me.. :roll: then came Nov 13 this same news surfaced again.. Again it proved to be a dump.. Now again same old news is recycled.. But this time it may carry some weight as election is aproching and CON-gresss needs something in its kitty for minority politics.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Aaryan » 06 Feb 2014 16:58

CBI names Rajinder Kumar as main accused in its supplementary chargsheet

http://www.firstpost.com/india/ishrat-jahan-case-amit-shah-not-named-in-cbi-chargesheet-1377093.html


The supplementary chargesheet which was filed by the CBI this afternoon, has named former Intelligence Bureau Director Rajinder Kumar as the main accused. The CBI in its chargesheet has reportedly said that the Intelligence Bureau (IB) colluded with the Gujarat Police and carried out the encounter.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby wig » 08 Feb 2014 09:50

DRDO talks about the necessity of developing own systems as there appears to be no way that imported products are secure from cyber snooping

Chander warned that India faces a major cyber security challenge from imported defence products which can come laden with snooping virus or malwares and should thus get involved with the production of weapon systems from their inception stage. “For real security, the answer lies being involved with it from the design stage," he said, adding that similar control cannot be possessed over a system that is procured from outside.

Responding to a question on India’s ability to check for malware or snooping devices in advanced systems like the C-17 and C-130J Super Hercules aircraft procured from the United States, Chander said: “When an equipment is bought from outside, you have no control.”
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2014/20140208/nation.htm#2


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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby member_25399 » 08 Feb 2014 20:30

Now he is questioning SSB information altogether ...
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Nitish-Kumar-orders-probe-into-his-ministers-suspected-links-with-IM-men/articleshow/30061757.cms
PATNA: With Bihar minister Shahid Ali Khan under SSB's scanner for suspected links with Indian Mujahideen activists, chief minister Nitish Kumar on Saturday questioned the central agency's handling of the matter, especially as to why he was not informed, and has directed a probe into it.

"What is the source of the information of the SSB which it has taken note of suo motu and sent the same to the STF in Bihar for verification?" Kumar told reporters while replying to a query on the issue.

Bihar Police had yesterday said that it received a letter from the the Shashtra Seema Bal (SSB) last month seeking verification of charge about Khan allegedly having links with the two IM operatives Jameel Akhtar and Mansoor Sai.

The Special Task Force (STF) had asked the Motihari and Sitamarhi SPs to probe the matter and they had found the allegation as false, it said.

The information with the SSB about the minority welfare minister's alleged links with the IM operatives must be probed in view of seriousness of the matter, Kumar said.

The information should be processed thoroughly, the chief minister said.

Taking strong exception to the manner in which the SSB had sent the information to the STF in Bihar for verification of charge against his minister, he said that the matter should have been probed by higher agency in the first place and then he should have been informed about it as well as the presiding officer of the house of which the said person is a member.

The chief minister regretted that he came to know about the matter from a friend in the media that the SSB has sent an information to the STF asking for verification of the charge against the minister.

He said that he has directed the home secretary and the DGP to get the matter probed.

Kumar also came hard on the BJP for targeting the minority welfare minister, saying that it appeared that the BJP leaders were suffering from "mental illness".

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Austin » 15 Feb 2014 17:07

Return of a fire breather: One of Pakistan's deadliest militants resurfaces, threatening war against old enemy India

Return of a Fire Breather

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

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India raises its defense budget to USD 36 bln
NEW DELHI, Feb 17 (KUNA) -- India on Monday hiked its overall defense budget to whopping USD 36 billion, a ten percent increase than the previous year.
Indian minister for finance P Chidambaram while presenting the interim budget in the parliament said the defence allocation has been increased by ten percent this fiscal year (2014-2015), adding, allocations of 2.24 trillion rupees (USD 36 bn) has been made for the defence against 2.03 trillion rupees in the previous fiscal year.
The finance minister said India would also start a modernization plan for the armed forces which would cost the country over 11,000 million Indian rupees. He said the step was taken to strengthen the capacity of federal armed forces.
The finance minister said that funds for the purpose have been provided in the current financial year and would be utilized for providing state of the art equipment and technology for the Central Armed Police Forces.



India: Defense Projects in the Next Government’s Lap
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The delay in the receipt of the MMRCA fighter jets is affecting the IAF’s operational preparedness. The IAF has had to upgrade and extend the operational life of its aging aircrafts. The IAF seemingly has paid a heavy price due to delays. Ever since the cancellation of the AW101 helicopter deal, the government has also put on hold the acquisition of 197 light utility helicopters (LUH) that were to replace the vintage Cheetah/Chetaks. Similarly a $3 billion deal to acquire 56 transport aircraft to replace the antiquated HS-748 and Avro transport aircraft is in limbo. Another deal to purchase six A330 Twin-engine Multirole Tanker Transport Aircraft for midair refueling has been delayed due to the death of a senior official.

Airbus Military is competing with Russian Ilyushin IL 78 Midas for this project. The IAF needs this badly as it can also be used as a transporter for 300 troops and 45 tons cargo or accommodate 130 casualty evacuation stretchers. Against a sanctioned strength of 42 fighter squadrons IAF has only 34 — each with 20 aircraft. Six squadrons are still using aging MiG-21 fighters. This is when all types of MiGs were to be phased out and IAF was supposed to have six Jaguars, three MiG-29, three Mirage 200 and 14 Sukhoi Su-30 squadrons by 2018-20. Even if the first of the 18 MMRCAs are delivered in 2015, the remaining 108 aircraft made in India will not be available for quite some time. This means that the air force is not likely to have the desired combat strength of 50 squadrons to fight a hypothetical two front war for another decade or more.

Also stuck in the pipeline are contracts with Boeing – for 22 AH-64 Apache attack helicopters; 12 CH-47F Chinook multi-mission helicopters; a billion-dollar repeat order for four P-8I maritime aircraft, 10 C-17 Globemaster III worth $4 billion and $3-billion deal to purchase Honeywell engines to extend the service life of 100-odd Jaguars. One of the top priorities before the new government will be to resolve the MMCRA deadlock as well as sign the $1.4 billion contract for 22 Apache attack helicopters and $1 billion contract for 15 Chinook heavy-lift helicopters.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby ramana » 17 Feb 2014 21:36

Austin wrote:Return of a fire breather: One of Pakistan's deadliest militants resurfaces, threatening war against old enemy India

Return of a Fire Breather



He is a hot air blower.
There is a difference between fire breather and an hot air blower.
Misfortunately India Today lost its perceptive skills long ago when it started dreaming khyali pullaos.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby abhishek_sharma » 19 Feb 2014 23:29

Aaryan wrote:Sorry for entering late into this debate.. Although it can easily be dismissed as a conspiracy theory but may be Rabinder Singh was just a mediocre small fish.. May be he knew something about someone in higher up.. What if he was alerted and was helped to leave to protect some one in higher up.


There were rumors in the office that some high-ranking official was being watched. So he was fairly cautious. Moreover, when RAW guys tried to get help from his maid, she informed Rabinder Singh about it. So things must have been fairly clear to him.

By the way after reading the book role of Mr B Mishra during the whole episode looks fishy..


Yes, it does. I believe he was walking an extra mile to make the Americans happy.

Also the way in which Mr Jeev ( Mr Amar) handled the whole case and kept pushing his subordinates for more proof looks more like a crime scene investigation and not some counter intelligence operation..


Maybe. In his defense, what Rabinder Singh was doing (i.e., copying papers and taking them home) was fairly common. Many RAW officials did that. He did two unusual things: (i) He had too much money, and took people to dinner at 5-star hotels (and we never figured out the source of that money). (2) He asked questions about matters that were not relevant for his work. You could argue that he might have been arrested on the basis of these two points. It is true that if we had arrested him, and checked his computer, we would have understood his modus operandi.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby ramana » 20 Feb 2014 01:10

So there are no rules about taking classifeid papers out of closed areas?
What about his wife being a green card holder with a job in US? Is there no requirement to declare overseas conecctions or change of status for near relatives?
Many holes in the system.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby abhishek_sharma » 20 Feb 2014 01:21

>> So there are no rules about taking classifeid papers out of closed areas?

Apparently not (at least not at that time). Many senior people took papers to their home, everyone knew about it, and did nothing.

>> What about his wife being a green card holder with a job in US?

I did not know about it. His wife was an interesting case. She was fairly tight-lipped about what Rabinder Singh was doing. Even in their private conversation (and we did not have full access to what they were talking about at their home), she did not discuss things explicitly. She actually calmed him down when he was nervous.

However, it was found later, that just before they escaped, she blew up, and accused him of destroying her life.

In any case, Rabinder Singh's passport issued in Nepal was taken away pretty soon, and he lived in Florida as a refugee for a while. Later he claimed that he was forced by the Indian govt to kill innocent people in Assam and sought asylum as a person in acute distress.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Rahul M » 20 Feb 2014 02:03

there is a rule but people didn't follow it.

there are regulations about family and foreign contacts. people have been sacked for maintaining contact with acquaintances made abroad during training w/o authorisation.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby ramana » 20 Feb 2014 02:16

So why was he privileged?

Also abhishek, if folks took papers home, then what prevents some other country to run a maid service to get the papers copied?

Taking papers out of closed areas is a wrong thing. If the had to they should have stayed longer and did the work.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby abhishek_sharma » 20 Feb 2014 02:29

That is true. Maid service could be used.

Actually, after Rabinder Singh was suspected, one day the counter-intelligence unit searched the bags of all people. Of course, many people had classified papers in their bags, but it was not considered a big deal.

By the way, some people had p*** in their bags. And many people objected that they were searched before their juniors. kya attitude hai.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby VinodTK » 20 Feb 2014 13:50

House panel rings alarm bells over border readiness against China, Pak
NEW DELHI: India's operational military and infrastructure readiness on its borders with China and Pakistan is dismal due to the government's lack of long-term strategic planning and timely decision-making as well as the shoddy performance of DRDO and defence PSUs in delivering weapon systems to the armed forces.

This much-needed red alert has been sounded by the parliamentary standing committee on defence, after a rare review of the "threat perception, preparedness of the forces and border connectivity", in its latest report tabled in Parliament.

"What can be more disturbing than the fact that our nation is lagging behind in all areas of border connectivity, whether it be road, rail or air," said the committee, taking note of China's build-up of massive infrastructure all along the 3,488-km Line of Actual Control (LAC).

China can swiftly mobilize over 30 divisions (each with over 15,000 soldiers) to the LAC to outnumber Indian forces by at least 3:1, with at least five fully-operational airbases (Gongar, Pangta, Linchi, Hoping and Gar), an extensive rail network and over 58,000-km of roads in the Tibet Autonomous Region, as reported by TOI earlier.

The committee also slammed the defence ministry for its failure to ensure proper military modernization despite facing a twin-threat from China and Pakistan. The sharp decline in the number of IAF fighter squadrons (each has 18-20 jets), for instance, shows "lack of foresight among the decision-makers" because the grim situation would have been averted with "advance planning" and "concerted efforts", it said.

IAF will continue with just 34 squadrons till at least 2017, despite the ongoing induction of 272 Sukhoi-30MKI fighters because of the progressive phasing out of the ageing MiG fleets, when it needs at least 42 squadrons to face all exigencies. Negotiations for the much-delayed $20 billion MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) project, under which IAF is to induct 126 French Rafale fighters, should be "completed at the earliest" with the procurement being "accelerated", said the committee.

But a major part of the report dealt with India's "very dismal" air, road and rail networks on the border. "What can be more appalling to learn than that many of the border passes from China side are now connected with roads," it said.

From "nil achievement" on the 14 strategic railway lines to extremely poor progress on the 73 all-weather roads identified for construction along the "northern borders" with China, the committee said, "It's shocking to note only one road out of the 27 ITBP roads is complete, and as many as 11 roads are behind schedule and not even detailed project reports have been finalized."

The committee "repudiated" MoD claims that infrastructure development was being implemented in consonance with threat perceptions. "The committee is baffled to learn that an issue so serious as providing border connectivity through rail in the north-east region and other strategic places is taking the rounds of bureaucratic tables," it said.


"The three pillars of plan, budget and procurement, on which defence preparedness of our country hinges, should get proper attention by all stakeholders, policy-makers... the budget should not come in way of defence needs," it added.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby member_25399 » 20 Feb 2014 14:19

There were rumors in the office that some high-ranking official was being watched. So he was fairly cautious. Moreover, when RAW guys tried to get help from his maid, she informed Rabinder Singh about it. So things must have been fairly clear to him.

This is too open ended. Didn't these guys thought what will happen is she refused and goes back to tell her boss. They could have probably used something to threaten her . Maybe Stasi guys were good at this. :D

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby VinodTK » 28 Feb 2014 05:24

The Hindu: Looming military breakdown
In a nation where instances of admission of individual responsibility are depressingly rare, Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral D.K. Joshi’s resignation following the tragic accident on INS Sindhuratna is welcome evidence that some officials, at least, still hold themselves to the highest standards. Behind his resignation, though, lies a terrifying story: India’s military is, literally, on the verge of breakdown. In recent years, each military chief has told Defence Minister A.K. Antony of the growing danger that India might prove unable to fight future wars. Even as the Army has been instructed to be prepared to fight a war on two fronts, acquisitions of desperately needed armour and artillery systems have been endlessly delayed. The Air Force is warning that its combat fleet will start shrinking from 2017; squadrons are rationing flying time to prolong the life of aircraft for as long as possible. The Navy is well below strength, and its increasingly obsolescent platforms are dangerous. Last year’s explosion on board INS Sindhurakshak, one of 10 significant accidents involving the Navy in the last seven months, caused more damage than the Navy ever suffered at war. Perhaps most dangerous, all three services face large-scale deficits of officers, because the armed forces’ pay scales and service conditions are too poor to attract the skilled young people modern militaries need. There are more than a few in the armed forces who are asking whether the civilian leadership is not just as responsible for the deaths on board the Sindhuratna as Admiral Joshi, whose resignation the Union government was so quick to accept.

Though Mr. Antony’s years in office have seen him maintain his stellar reputation for personal probity — which is no mean achievement in itself — he has done little to address the looming crisis in Indian defence. Equipment purchases have stalled at the whiff of scandal, often forcing the forces to restart the acquisition process, that can last years. In fairness to Mr. Antony, the problem is not all of his making. The depreciation of the rupee against the dollar, and India’s slowing growth, have stripped him of resources badly needed for modernisation. Yet, there is no glossing over the fact that too little has been done on defence reform and capacity-building. India can only hope it is not too late. The last Indian military chief to hand in his resignation was General K.S. Thimayya, who did so in 1959 to protest Defence Minister V.K. Krishna Menon’s refusal to consider his plans to prepare the Army for a war with China. Prime Minister Nehru persuaded the legendary General to take back his resignation, but chose not to persuade his Defence Minister to take the threat of war seriously. The consequences still haunt India.


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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Philip » 01 Mar 2014 18:08

St.Anthony will soon lose his halo and official residence in Delhi and will have to return to "God's own country" to RIP.he has been a veritable curse upon the nation. One cannot wait soon enough for the curse to be lifted by the Almighty.

Some unfortunate breaking news,a R&AW officer has reportedly committed suicide ,wife and children also found dead in their Delhi home.

India Today's Sandeep Unnithan in a dramatic exclusive,reveals the "Plan B" assassination plot by the LTTE to finish off Rajiv in Delhi and how those plotters arrested trying to flee the country were astonishingly released by the Supreme Court,even as their deep involvement was detailed out in Sivarasan's diaries.The special issue of IT is on the stands.

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Postby gashish » 01 Mar 2014 21:20

Government official found dead with wife and children at Delhi home

http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/government-official-found-dead-with-wife-and-children-at-delhi-home-489967?pfrom=home-lateststories

A government official, along with his wife and two children, was found dead at his residence in South Delhi today.

Ananya Chakravarty, 52, was found hanging from a ceiling fan at his house in Sadiq Nagar near Defence Colony. His wife Jaishri, 43, son Arnab, 17, and daughter Disha, 12, were also discovered dead in the house. Their bodies bore injuries, which police said, seemed to have been inflicted by a blunt object.

The police said they have not found any signs of a forced entry into the house. The door was locked from inside, police said.

Mr Chakravarty was working as a technical clerk in the research and analysis wing of the Cabinet Secretariat.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby member_28440 » 01 Mar 2014 22:27

In October last year IAS Officer Vijay Kumar was found dead along with his wife in similar condition; where it was concluded after investigation that the wife killed him and hanged herself later. The murder angle was not investigated further as they didn't find any evidence of forced entry. However the crucial evidence they ignored was that the wife's feet were touching the ground while she was found hanging.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby member_28440 » 01 Mar 2014 22:52

prashanth.marri wrote:Shashi Tharoor issue took a tragic turn.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 965573.cms


there are rumors circulating that she was killed by the diamond mafia

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Mahesh_R » 02 Mar 2014 00:25

Bodhita wrote:..........However the crucial evidence they ignored was that the wife's feet were touching the ground while she was found hanging.

Just curious why would the cops miss anything that simple ?
clearly this case is NOT related to any of politician which they do not want to dig further ..
why would our police or IB or CBI let go of these cases ... I mean they don't get any benefit for doing this...

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Paul » 02 Mar 2014 09:50

http://www.newindianexpress.com/thesund ... 085090.ece

Away from the glittering glory of medals won in battle and blood, the spit and polish of boots on parade and the intimidating bulks of battle tanks roaring at night during military exercises on the Western border lies a murky darkness inhabited by shadowy, traitorous figures that live by treachery and subterfuge.
On February 23, a traitor was unmasked when Indian investigators swooped on the house where Inderpal Singh Kushwaha, just retired from the Army, lived. They found enough proof to be convinced that Kushwaha worked for Pakistan’s spy agency, the Inter Service Intelligence (ISI). The raid on his Cariappa Marg residence in the leafy, deceptively somnolent Jhansi Cantt yielded deployment details of Indian Army’s Arjun tank regiments, CDs with classified information on war games, classified minutes of the meetings involving senior army officers, a copy of a confidential battle presentation by the Gorkha regiment, annual confidential reports of Army officers and more. A top intelligence officer said that the 51-year-old mole had been shipping top military secrets to his ISI handler Sikander in Pakistan for the last 7-8 years. Kushwaha had codenamed Sikander ‘Major Anil.’

The fact that the spy served for nearly a decade as the personal assistant to many senior army officers in sensitive posts is sending shivers down the spine of the Defence Ministry. As the story unfolds, the extent of damage the traitor has caused India’s defence preparedness is being ascertained. It is going to be a long haul. And the haul was big enough to strike fear in the security establishment. Kushwaha who retired as a subedar in October, 2013, had used his position to gain access to secret files, according to Army Intelligence sources. ATS sleuths also recovered CDs containing secret coded communications downloaded from the army’s intranet server. Some of the seized documents date as far back to 2005-2006, suggesting that the damage done is extensive. Kushwaha’s last posting was as Personal Assistant to the Brigadier of 31 Artillery brigade in Jhansi, a specialised unit dedicated to provide heavy weapons support during war. Kushwaha had been posted at various places including Kota, Jaipur and Siliguri.

“What is shocking is the recovery from his possession of ultra sensitive minutes of senior army officials meetings and specific details of tank deployments. So far four banks accounts in his name in ICICI, PNB and SBI have been unearthed and a team of officials are already examining the transactions,” the source said.

Investigators feel that further interrogation of the ISI mole would throw up more links. They suggest he may not be operating alone. “Although over 30 ISI modules have been neutralised in the past three years, the documents recovered from Kushwaha reveals that he was the biggest ISI mole who had access to top secret documents,” he added.

Last year, Home Ministry official Surendra Sharma working in the Office of Foreigners Division was arrested after Counter-Intelligence unit of Army and the Intelligence Bureau busted the ‘Pokhran ISI spy ring’ in Rajasthan. Sharma was allegedly supplying classified information to ISI operative Sumer Khan. The Home Ministry estimates that security agencies have arrested at least 48 ISI spies including 10 Pakistani agents and 38 Indians in the last three years. Of the 38 Indian moles, 10 were government officials, including two ex-servicemen, three serving personnel and three civilians.

For long, the guardians of national security has been battling the demons of deceit—spies recruited and trained by ISI whose sole aim is to destabilize India. At a time the Armed Forces have been plunged into a self destructive crisis with personal duels erupting between senior commanders, political buccaneers filibusting hierarchies and lives sacrificed by defective equipment, Khushwaha’s arrest could have consequences for the Army’s morale.


This news has spoilt my sunday. :cry:

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Austin » 02 Mar 2014 10:15

^^ Indeed some deep penetration by ISI

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby sum » 02 Mar 2014 11:05

^^ Bound to happen with anyone involved in counter-intel like IB/MI/TSD being hunted down by their own govt

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Postby SRoy » 03 Mar 2014 01:15

VinodTK wrote:The Hindu: Looming military breakdown
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Perhaps most dangerous, all three services face large-scale deficits of officers, because the armed forces’ pay scales and service conditions are too poor to attract the skilled young people modern militaries need...


Outright lie. This was the case in 90s and till early 2000s, but not so after the 6th pay commission came into effect.
Speaking of service conditions, grass is always greener on the other side. Take a simple thing as living condition. Unless one migrates out, no Indian urban condition (gated communities included) match what a cantonment life can offer.

The problem lies elsewhere.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Paul » 03 Mar 2014 08:34

^ Indeed. Quite true.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby merlin » 03 Mar 2014 16:47

SRoy wrote:[

Outright lie. This was the case in 90s and till early 2000s, but not so after the 6th pay commission came into effect.
Speaking of service conditions, grass is always greener on the other side. Take a simple thing as living condition. Unless one migrates out, no Indian urban condition (gated communities included) match what a cantonment life can offer.

The problem lies elsewhere.


Perhaps they mean quality of construction and quality of maintenance of houses. Maintenance of housing if cants are not that good from what I hear. And anyway folks are in cants for not more than two years or so right?

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby SRoy » 04 Mar 2014 01:20

^^

Construction and quality of maintenance of houses is a tangential topic. Living quarters range from very old to modern ones. Army has accomodation shortages for officers and OR.
From what I remember in Vizag, civilian areas around the ENC had a large servicemen household. Situation somewhat better in IAF, some stations have surpluses.

But this is really a diversion. Ask any ex-servicemen about how they feel regarding the surroundings wherever they settle down. It is not a coincidence that ex-servicemen everywhere tend to cluster in common localities. Why is that? It is an attempt to re-create the standard of living they have been used to.

As a services brat, when I came out in civilian world the first thing that registered attention was trash and encroachments on the street. No matter how much rent one is willing to pay to put up in a gated community, the moment you step out of the gates the shabby surroundings greet you.

But these are all off-topic.

I think there used to be a disgruntled lot at a time when corporate pay was extremely high and servicemen themselves had no experience of the corporate world. This has changed due to many reasons. One, after sixth pay commission the pay related issues are no longer valid. Two, those who ventured out have found that it is not that all that easy to find a job outside. Third, many retirees, upright types, had a first hand opportunity to evaluate the corporate culture (we know what it is). Fourth, many who do get a toehold outside actually find themselves to be misfits (usually older guys...senior officers).

From my friends and relatives, a few had toyed with idea of quitting. No have done so. And then I have classmates (well...3rd/4th generation servicemen types) that are enjoying the life that services offer.

So, I don't know from where the author has got his information. Unless he/she was seeking the disgruntled types alone with an agenda.


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