Hmmm.....svinayak wrote:Process of taking apart is learning!kaizanin wrote: They've already tried. Took apart a perfectly good kilo and till date have not put it back together. Whether they learnt anything is anyone's guess.
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).I have been to places at Mumbai where our IN Ships are docked be it Frigate or Aircraft Carrier and they are quite neat and well maintined , yes you can see some oil stains in the water but thats with any ships docked any where in the world.Singha wrote:unlike the ramshackle look of MDL and our mumbai naval docks, the pearl harbour dockside looks very neat indeed. no piles of debris and oil stains anywhere despite supporting the
Thanks, so are n't we giving a perfect snooping chance to them esp chinese who thrive for opportunity like thisbrar_w wrote:Yes thy are
Snooping works both ways, every nation seeks to get to "know" the other while they all participate fully knowing this and taking all precautionary measures to safeguard their protected capability. That navies from all over the world look forward to taking part in bi-lateral and multi national exercises goes to show how valuable things like RIMPAC and Red flag (air force) are for understanding how the rest of the world fights and cooperating with each other to better tackle threats and become better.parshuram wrote:Thanks, so are n't we giving a perfect snooping chance to them esp chinese who thrive for opportunity like thisbrar_w wrote:Yes thy are
The Pentagon has notified the US Congress about its decision to sell anti-ship Harpoon missiles to India at an estimated cost of $200 million arguing that it will strengthen India-US strategic relationship and improve security of an important partner. The entire package under the foreign military sale route includes a dozen odd UGM-84L Harpoon Block II Encapsulated Missiles, 10 UTM-84L Harpoon Encapsulated Training missiles, and two Encapsulated Harpoon certification training vehicles, the Department of Defense's, Defence Security Cooperation Agency said.
"The estimated cost is $200 million," it said adding that the Harpoon missile system will be employed on the Indian Navy's Shishumar class submarine and will provide enhanced capabilities in defence of critical sea lines of communication.
India has already purchased Harpoon missiles for integration on Indian Air Force Jaguar aircraft and Indian Navy P-8I maritime patrol aircraft. India will have no difficulty absorbing these additional missiles into its armed forces, it said in its notification to the Congress
"This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to strengthen the US-India strategic relationship and to improve the security of an important partner which continues to be an important force for political stability, peace, and economic progress in South Asia," the Pentagon said, adding that the this proposed sale of Harpoon missiles will not alter the basic military balance in the region.
Boeing would be manufacturing this Harpoon missile. "In accordance with the Indian Defence Procurement Policy, a contractor may be expected to conclude offset agreements with the Government of India but no offset agreement is currently known to have been proposed in connection with this potential sale," it said.
The Government of India has requested a possible sale of 12 UGM-84L Harpoon Block II Encapsulated Missiles, 10 UTM-84L Harpoon Encapsulated Training missiles, 2 Encapsulated Harpoon certification training vehicles, containers, spare and repair parts, support and test equipment, personnel training and training equipment, publications and technical data, U.S. Government and contractor engineering and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $200 million.
Boreas wrote:anybody knows the exact number of harpoons navy is going to get for $200 million. What I get from newspaper reports is it is more than 24 (two dozen). It have to be a lot more than that! Harpoon costs 1.5mil a piece.
Looks like India is once again being gypped by the US.Boreas wrote:but those figures don't add up! are they charging 12-15million per missile?
Here is another report on China's N-sub ambitions.Australia and Japan to Ink Submarine Deal
Prime Ministers Shinzo Abe and Tony Abbott will sign an agreement to open up cooperation on producing submarines.
By Zachary Keck
July 08, 2014
As Clint noted earlier today, Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is making the rounds throughout Oceania this week.
Abe’s stopover in Australia is expected to be particularly significant for many reasons that Clint discussed. However, the security aspects of the Abe’s Australia visit deserve special attention.
In particular, on Tuesday Abe and Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott are expected to sign an agreement that will allow the two countries to cooperate on the production of submarines. According to Australian news sources, under the agreement “Japanese-designed submarines could be built under license in Adelaide or even straight off the shelf from Japan.”
As The Diplomat has covered for some time, Australia has long been exploring the best options for its next generation submarines. After ruling out a nuclear-powered submarine, in May 2012 the then-Labor Party government announced four possible options:
An existing off-the-shelf foreign design.
A modified off-the-shelf foreign design
An evolved Collins-class design
Development of a completely new submarine design in Australia
Last year, however, in a move that saw widespread criticism, the Australian government ruled out the first two options.
The fact that the Abbott government is now exploring cooperation with Japan therefore represents a change in policy.
There were signs that this was coming. Most notably, during a trip to Japan last month, Australian Defense Minister David Johnston became the first non-Japanese minister to tour one of the Maritime Self-Defense Forces (MSDF) stealthy, diesel powered Soryu-class submarines.
“Australia is looking to strengthen our defense cooperation with Japan by examining ways to enhance our cooperation in the field of defense science and technology,” a spokesperson for Defense Minister Johnston said at the time. Johnston himself reportedly called the Soryu-class submarines the best conventional submarines in the world.
At the same time, noting Australia’s engagement with the U.S. and European countries on submarine technology, Johnston noted, “We are casting a wide net to get the best chance of acquiring a really decent submarine for Australia that will last for decades.”
Still, the Soryu-class subs offer many advantages to Australia. At 84 meters and 4,200 tons (submerged), they are the largest non-nuclear conventional submarines in the world. They are also equipped with a unique Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) system that allows them to stay submerged indefinitely, according to Australian news reports. This would be advantageous to a country like Australia that has a wide area of sea to cover.
The agreement to be signed this week will focus on marine hydrodynamics with the possibility of that joint venture leading to a more substantial agreement. Australia has pledged to spend A$40 billion ($37 billion) to replace its current fleet of Collins-class submarines. A final decision on what type of submarine to pursue is expected to be made early next year.
China's Submarine Ambitions Project Global Intent
Posted 07/07/2014
Sailors line up on a Chinese nuclear submarine at the Qingdao submarine base in China's Shandong province on Oct. 27, 2013.AP View Enlarged Image
Geopolitics: In a clear signal of military ambitions that go well beyond guarding its coast, China has floated plans to build nuclear-powered attack submarines. The Obama Defense Department seems clueless.
Our antennae went up after a weekend report from the Washington Times' Bill Gertz describing how China released what appeared to be a mock-up of its next-generation nuclear-powered attack sub at its Qingdao submarine academy.
The news came from an article in a specialized journal by analyst Rick Fisher. "The role of this model may simply be to inspire the academy's students," Fisher says. "But it may signify a larger personnel investment by the (People's Liberation Army Navy) to prepare for its next-generation submarines, as it may also offer some indication about a new class of (nuclear attack submarines)."
Given what's known about China's military buildup, Fisher's analysis is plausible. China now spends $145 billion a year on defense, having added 9.4% annually since 2004, according to Pentagon estimates. By comparison, President Obama is requesting $575 billion in 2015, down from $708 billion when he took office.
"Of particular note is (China's) feverish acquisition of submarines," writes Stratfor analyst Robert D. Kaplan in his invaluable 2014 book "Asia's Cauldron." He quotes Singaporean military expert Bernard Loo Fook Weng as saying "submarines are the new bling, everybody wants them."
China is slated to build or acquire 75 subs, one more than the current U.S. fleet. Each costs $1 billion, not including the expense of training and maintenance. But that doesn't seem to faze China's leaders.
Submarines fascinate them, Kaplan says, because they "are about sheer aggression." They also create an atmosphere of uncertainty — a Chinese military forte comparable to America's "shock and awe."
Until now, China has focused on quiet diesel-powered subs as a means of thwarting U.S. naval ships in the South China Sea. But such a purported role itself is suspect, given that the U.S. has been the guarantor of peace in the area since the end of World War II.
The new nuclear model, which can remain at sea for long stretches, suggests that China has ambitions far greater than regional. In fact, it may signal that China already believes it has chased the U.S. out of the region and is moving on to global projection of power.
Does the U.S. have a strategy to checkmate this dream of high seas dominance? If so, we have yet to see any evidence of it.
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if above is true, i would say it is similar to kids. when neighbor's kid gets new toy of current trend, your kid also starts crying for the same. When his wish is fulfilled or he gets other toy he starts bragging my toy is bigger/better/shinier.Of particular note is (China's) feverish acquisition of submarines," writes Stratfor analyst Robert D. Kaplan in his invaluable 2014 book "Asia's Cauldron." He quotes Singaporean military expert Bernard Loo Fook Weng as saying "submarines are the new bling, everybody wants them."
The question is why was UPA twiddling its thumb and stalling, can't think of decesion except C-17, C-130 and T-90 which they did not stall and grind to a halt.hanumadu wrote:Centre set to approve Rs 19,000 crore for INS Vikrant
All the requisite funding in one go. Was there any indigenous project that got this kind of funding under UPA?
The Indian Navy is showcasing the Shivalik (Project 17)-class guided-missile frigate INS Sahyadri in its debut at this year's US-hosted 'Rim of the Pacific' ('RIMPAC') maritime exercises.
The vessel is participating in maritime drills, including live-firing exercises, alongside navies from 22 other nations in and around Hawaii from 26 June to 1 August. India previously took part as an observer at the exercises.
Speaking to IHS Jane's on 5 July during a visit to the frigate, Sahyadri 's executive officer Lieutenant Commander Prasanna K Madhyastha said the Indian Navy was participating to gain experience operating in a large multinational setting. "It is an opportunity to learn and improve interoperability with vessels from other navies. Knowledge and expertise gathered, especially from systems used during 'RIMPAC', is going to benefit the Indian Navy," he said.
Lt Cdr Madhyastha said the US Navy (USN) had helped to install terminals that could enable access the USN's Combined Enterprise Regional Information Exchange System (CENTRIXS) on the vessel for the duration of the exercise. This allows Sahyadri to communicate securely with vessels from participating navies. CENTRIXS is a command-and-control network that permits the sharing of messages and images used by the USN. The terminals will be returned to the USN at the end of the exercise.
"Besides learning and gaining capabilities with information systems such as CENTRIXS, we are also keen on learning NATO-compliant procedures and codes when it comes to operating naval vessels," said Lt Cdr Madhyastha.
The 6,200-tonne Sahyadri features a reduced radar cross-section and infrared signature. The vessel was commissioned in July 2012 and has been positioned for the Indian Navy as a "multi-purpose command-and-control platform capable of operating in a network-centric multi-threat environment". The frigate is the third vessel in the class alongside sister ships Shivalik and Satpura , commissioned in April 2010 and August 2011 respectively.
The missile frigate is equipped with two AK-630 guns that act as the ship's close-in weapon system, one Oto Melara 76 mm main gun, and 32 vertical launch system cells that can fire anti-ship missiles.
Lt Cdr Madhyastha told IHS Jane's that the frigate is armed with SS-N-27 Novator Alfa Klub-N surface-to-surface missiles for the exercises. However, the projectiles will not be fired. "As this is our first time participating, we will only put the 76 mm gun to test at ground and floating targets provided by the US Navy for now. It is a good opportunity to test our accuracy and capability at operating this gun in a collaborative environment with other ships," he said.
Lt Cdr Madhyastha did not dismiss the possibility of firing other armaments at future 'RIMPAC' activities, but conceded that this will depend on the Indian Navy's requirements and aims at the exercises.
hanumadu wrote:Centre set to approve Rs 19,000 crore for INS Vikrant
All the requisite funding in one go. Was there any indigenous project that got this kind of funding under UPA?
There is also an over 60,000-tonne IAC-II in the planning stage, which may have nuclear propulsion ......................
