LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby Kartik » 01 Oct 2014 16:10

mahadevbhu wrote:Close to the wing root, right above the red engine air intake covering in the photograph above, is a little, vertical, vortex controller? It looks like a vertical strake.


its not a strake- its the channel which allows the boundary layer airflow close to the fuselage right next to the air intake to be spilt onto the wing..kind of re-energises the airflow over the wing, helping in keeping the airflow attached to the wing at higher alpha (AoA).

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby member_20292 » 01 Oct 2014 16:52

The LCA wing is an interesting beast in its own right. I wish someone would collect the posts that you and Indranilroy exchanged a few years back on the details of the wings. IIRC its like an F 16 XL

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby member_28640 » 01 Oct 2014 17:03

Is it me or does weapon stations 5 and 6 look to be reinforced?
Currently Weapon station 5 & 6 are cleared for CCM.. Is there greater variability for the IAF..
Gurus?

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby member_23360 » 01 Oct 2014 21:15

vina wrote:
rohitvats wrote:Comparing apple and oranges, are we?

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If LCA is expected to be a front-line fighter squadron, the aircraft will have to be combat ready to go to war if required. Why is that so difficult to understand? And that gun on the fighter is an important requirement - one of the reasons Marut died the death it did because HAL was never able to rectify the guns on that fighter. And which prevented it's use even as ground attack aircraft.
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Otherwise, having a fighter for a sake of having one might make some people happy but it does not allow IAF to fight a war.

Ok. So why did you get the following aircraft inducted ?

1) Mirage 2000 . It came with just integral cannons. The Matra 550 and Super 530 were integrated later, not to mention the LGB pod and stuff. Could it take on the Pakistani F-16s as of 1984?

2) Mig 29 - Lemon of engine, massive hanger queens, huge maintenance problems, most weapons not integrated back in 1985/86

3) SU-30K - The initial batch of 18 were not fully capable, didn't have the integration of weapons that the MKI has , lacked A2G capability, sat out the Kargil war.

So why given your logic were these platforms bought and used with just initial capabilities?


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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby Shrinivasan » 01 Oct 2014 21:31

vina wrote:Ok. So why did you get the following aircraft inducted ?

1) Mirage 2000 . It came with just integral cannons. The Matra 550 and Super 530 were integrated later, not to mention the LGB pod and stuff. Could it take on the Pakistani F-16s as of 1984?

2) Mig 29 - Lemon of engine, massive hanger queens, huge maintenance problems, most weapons not integrated back in 1985/86

3) SU-30K - The initial batch of 18 were not fully capable, didn't have the integration of weapons that the MKI has , lacked A2G capability, sat out the Kargil war.

So why given your logic were these platforms bought and used with just initial capabilities?
Different times, different needs, different philosophies... let me try to answer WRT each of these birds.
1) M2K: The weapons you mentioned were already integrated and tested by the French on other Mirages, probably the weapons package for these were not negotiated and completed before inducting the aircraft. probably they wanted to get the birds in and allow pilots to start training with them. M2K was meant to be an A2A fighter, it evolved into a multi-role later.
2) Mig-29: this was I think a panic buy... we were offered the Mig-29 way too early in its life and we lapped it up, probably our funds helped in completing the development of many aspects of the aircraft which were not ready but then we paid Soviet Era Friendship price for these in Bananas and tea and cigarettes.
Will come to SU-30 next.

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby member_28722 » 01 Oct 2014 21:33

vina wrote:
rohitvats wrote:Comparing apple and oranges, are we?

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If LCA is expected to be a front-line fighter squadron, the aircraft will have to be combat ready to go to war if required. Why is that so difficult to understand? And that gun on the fighter is an important requirement - one of the reasons Marut died the death it did because HAL was never able to rectify the guns on that fighter. And which prevented it's use even as ground attack aircraft.
..
Otherwise, having a fighter for a sake of having one might make some people happy but it does not allow IAF to fight a war.

Ok. So why did you get the following aircraft inducted ?

1) Mirage 2000 . It came with just integral cannons. The Matra 550 and Super 530 were integrated later, not to mention the LGB pod and stuff. Could it take on the Pakistani F-16s as of 1984?

2) Mig 29 - Lemon of engine, massive hanger queens, huge maintenance problems, most weapons not integrated back in 1985/86

3) SU-30K - The initial batch of 18 were not fully capable, didn't have the integration of weapons that the MKI has , lacked A2G capability, sat out the Kargil war.

So why given your logic were these platforms bought and used with just initial capabilities?


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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby member_28722 » 01 Oct 2014 21:36

mahadevbhu wrote:And if the MMRCA negotiations go at the pace they have been going, there will soon not be any need for it.

The LCA will be the MMRCA.

This is what the MMRCA was originally, a Mirage 2000 class fighter, which is what the LCA has become today.

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby member_28722 » 01 Oct 2014 21:39

kmkraoind wrote:From Twitter Saurav Jha @SJha1618
LCA update #1: Cobham IFR and quartz radome expected to be delivered by November. #FOCMarch2015
LCA update #2: Gun firing demonstrated from ground to user for all necessary parameters. Airborne testing in Jamnagar. #FOCMarch2015
LCA update #3: Angle of Attack up to 26 degrees demonstrated. More testing is underway. #FOCMarch2015
LCA update #4: Derby carriage trials Mid-October. Test firing by end-October. Dr TamilMani says piece of cake. #FOCMarch2015
LCA update#5: IFR is not an issue once the assembly is actually delivered. Some more air to ground weapons are also being integrated.
LCA update #6: SP-1 is a completely debugged version of LSP-8 and is performing very well according to Dr Tamil Mani.


One thing is sure, things are moving pretty fast now.


I believe the IAF was very skeptical about the pre SP1 versions of LCA. It would be interesting to see their response to the same. FOC bird sounds to be even better. Hopefully IAF places a decent order for these

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby Shrinivasan » 01 Oct 2014 21:41

SU-30K - The initial batch of 18 were not fully capable, didn't have the integration of weapons that the MKI has , lacked A2G capability, sat out the Kargil war.
^^^SU-30: This was a completely different ball game altogether. The initial 18 SU-30Ks were explicitly brought over to familiarize our pilots to the Sukhois. During this time, Sukhoi developed the MKI for desh. DRDO et al also developed many many components, evaluated many sub-systems from western sources like France, Israel and the UK which were then integrated onto the MKIs, some of these systems were also tested on the SU-30Ks, they were meant to be flogged and discarded (and since then returned to Russia) and served this role very well.
our $$$ was used by Sukhoi to extensively transform itself to the status it is now compared to its squalid state then. Yes, SU-30Ks were hangar queens during Kargil, but then we had many other platforms for pounding the pigs (Mig-21,23, 27, 29, M2K, Jag for A2A and A2G along with Canberra's for ISR). also at this time SU-30 was more an air superiority fighter than the multi-role marvel it is now. Our pilots were also making their chops on these during this time. How many SU-30 MKIs did we have at that time? I wouldn't think many - the first MKI SQ (20SQ - Lightning) was formed in Sep 2002, a full THREE years after Kargil ended.

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby member_28722 » 01 Oct 2014 22:08

^^^^
Looking at all your points seems to reaffirm that IAF has a different yardstick for Foreign products and Indian products.
The general hierarchy in IAF has low faith in HAL/ADA/DRDO. Per them HAL is an integrator and does not have local supply chain for most of the components. Given that approach they have lesser faith that an Indian bird will actually fly.
That approach needs to change

w.r.t LCA, I believe the entire batch of first 40 will not be used as full time frontline fighters (although things may change by the time FOC comes out) and Mk2 is intended to be the actual version which will be used

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby member_23360 » 01 Oct 2014 22:12

There were talks to use MK1 to be used as LIFT.

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby Victor » 01 Oct 2014 22:56

IAF considers Mk1 to be a LIFT?
Kartik wrote:All eyes on Tejas Mk2
With the Indian Air Force all but officially writing off the LCA Tejas Mk.1 as a fast jet trainer with limited offensive capabilities, all eyes are now on the LCA Mk.2 that will sport a more powerful engine and an upgraded flight envelope...

And this looks like the laundry list of Mk1 deficiencies that will be corrected by Mk2:
...far improved performance across the flight envelope, including higher turn rates, acceleration and climb, a much smaller logistics and maintenance footprint, longer endurance with a larger fuel carrying capacity, a vastly improved electronic warfare suite and a full weapons capability, including beyond visual range air to air missiles, stand-off strike weapons and anti-ship missiles. The G limits on the Mk.2 will be up from +8/-3.5 to +9/-3.5. The platform will also sport an on-board oxygen generation system and will be 45% composites by weight.

Looks like it is the Navy that is driving LCA to a successful conclusion. If it had not required the more powerful F414, we may have been up the Kaveri without a paddle.

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby srin » 01 Oct 2014 23:27

The IAF is being inconsistent.

If you really want a LIFT with "limited offensive capabilities", then you don't need to waste time with integrating refuelling probes, new nose cone for 20% increased radar range, and so on, for FoC certification.

After the FoC clearance, the Mk1 will be a highly effective combat platform. And if you also factor in likely delays in Mk2 (the normal R&D delays, and there will be some greedy scope increase too), then it does seem very likely that the Mk1 orders won't be restricted to just 40. They will probably have to double it.

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby KiranM » 01 Oct 2014 23:28

Shrinivasan wrote:
1) M2K: The weapons you mentioned were already integrated and tested by the French on other Mirages, probably the weapons package for these were not negotiated and completed before inducting the aircraft. probably they wanted to get the birds in and allow pilots to start training with them. M2K was meant to be an A2A fighter, it evolved into a multi-role later.
2) Mig-29: this was I think a panic buy... we were offered the Mig-29 way too early in its life and we lapped it up, probably our funds helped in completing the development of many aspects of the aircraft which were not ready but then we paid Soviet Era Friendship price for these in Bananas and tea and cigarettes.
Will come to SU-30 next.

Only conjectures at this point with no facts to back up the claims. If M2K was meant to be an A2A fighter for IAF how come the Matra 550 & Super 350 (which are A2A missiles) were integrated only later? What is to stop IAF from using current MK1 also to 'train' and 'familiarize' over the next few years like they did with M2K? PAF and PLAAF were as much a threat then as they are now.

Shrinivasan wrote:^^^SU-30: This was a completely different ball game altogether. The initial 18 SU-30Ks were explicitly brought over to familiarize our pilots to the Sukhois.

Again what is stopping IAF from using current MK1 also to 'train' and 'familiarize' over the next few years like they did with Su-30K?

Shrinivasan wrote:During this time, Sukhoi developed the MKI for desh. DRDO et al also developed many many components, evaluated many sub-systems from western sources like France, Israel and the UK which were then integrated onto the MKIs, some of these systems were also tested on the SU-30Ks, they were meant to be flogged and discarded (and since then returned to Russia) and served this role very well.
our $$$ was used by Sukhoi to extensively transform itself to the status it is now compared to its squalid state then.

So iterative development philosophy is applicable for foreign MIC but not for Indian one and that too on our $$$

Shrinivasan wrote:Different times, different needs, different philosophies...

Different times yes, <sarcasm on> then IAF did not have real threats to push platforms not fully exploited unlike now <sarcasm off>
Different philosophies yes, <sarcasm on> then IAF had single platform single role so asked Frenchies/ Russkies to remove X, Y, Z capabilities. <sarcasm off> Unlike now when they want everything under the sun on Tejas yet there is no word on their intended role except for phrases like replacement for Mig-21, nay Mirage 2000, nay 'abc'

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby Indranil » 01 Oct 2014 23:58

Victor wrote:And this looks like the laundry list of Mk1 deficiencies that will be corrected by Mk2:

I would call them improvements.

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby member_27581 » 02 Oct 2014 01:43

A bit off topic, but is there anyplace we can get a scaled model for LCA. I tried looking for it on google but not successful so far. Amazon ebay have models for many other planes but obviously not for Tejas

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby Shrinivasan » 02 Oct 2014 03:25

ranjan.rao wrote:A bit off topic, but is there anyplace we can get a scaled model for LCA. I tried looking for it on google but not successful so far. Amazon ebay have models for many other planes but obviously not for Tejas
I think it has not been built for sale til now. You may get some Merchandise @ http://www.tejas.gov.in/merchandise.html#Memorabilia but no models available as of now.

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby chackojoseph » 02 Oct 2014 06:17

akshat.kashyap wrote:There were talks to use MK1 to be used as LIFT.


Germany wanted it as LIFT. They wanted 12 or so pieces.

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby NRao » 02 Oct 2014 06:19

Germany wanted it as LIFT


The LCA?

IF so, when?

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby Shrinivasan » 02 Oct 2014 07:14

Did anyone notice the tail #?, it doesn't seem to start with KH... It seems to be something like LA-5001 SP 01... Why this departure from earlier numbering scheme honoring Sri Kota Harinarayana?
Maybe its the effect of the grainy picture, does anyone have a high-res or a side view?

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby srai » 02 Oct 2014 07:46

chackojoseph wrote:
akshat.kashyap wrote:There were talks to use MK1 to be used as LIFT.


Germany wanted it as LIFT. They wanted 12 or so pieces.


AFAIK, the whole LCA Mk.1 as LIFT originated from AM Rajkumar's interview some 10 years ago:
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Is it also time to review the role of the LCA in IAF, considering it will be operating next to the Su 30 MKI and MMRCA followed by the FGFA?

The LCA will be a frontline fighter capable of protecting itself and carrying out a useful strike role. But its theatre of operations will depend on the threat levels it will face. If we develop the LCA Mk-2 with the necessary Electronic Warfare (EW) and countermeasure dispensing capability, I don’t see why it cannot be used in any theatre of war. Given our geographical size and the need to face two fronts, we still need numbers with the IAF talking about 40 squadrons. The LCA will be the 3rd tier after the Su-30 MKI/FGFA and MMRCA. The IAF says that they will take 40 LCA Mk-1 aircraft and those aircraft are important for the simple reason that it will enable both ADA and HAL to obtain spares consumption data as to how many maintenance hours are required per flying hour. This data can be accumulated by using the LCA Mk-1 over this decade to put product support in place. The hope is that by the time the LCA Mk-2 is ready to enter service; all these problems would have been ironed out. The LCA Mk-1 could also be used to create an Operational Conversion Unit (OCU) if required to feed pilots into the system as the IAF will be inducting large numbers of aircraft over the next two decades. The LCA Mk-1 will serve the IAF extremely well for at least the next three decades.
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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby srai » 02 Oct 2014 07:57

Kartik wrote:But with all the good news about the Tejas program, where are pics and vids of the SP1 ?! Would love to see pics from the on-going trials at Jaisalmer too. Hope ADA obliges..


Kartik wrote:...From Twitter Saurav Jha @SJha1618
LCA update #1: Cobham IFR and quartz radome expected to be delivered by November. #FOCMarch2015
LCA update #2: Gun firing demonstrated from ground to user for all necessary parameters. Airborne testing in Jamnagar. #FOCMarch2015
LCA update #3: Angle of Attack up to 26 degrees demonstrated. More testing is underway. #FOCMarch2015
LCA update #4: Derby carriage trials Mid-October. Test firing by end-October. Dr TamilMani says piece of cake. #FOCMarch2015
LCA update#5: IFR is not an issue once the assembly is actually delivered. Some more air to ground weapons are also being integrated.
LCA update #6: SP-1 is a completely debugged version of LSP-8 and is performing very well according to Dr Tamil Mani.


...

..One thing's for sure- the coming AI-'15 Tejas Mk1 display will be the best ever.

...


Agree! ADA is saving the best for AI-'15 :twisted: (FOC will be close at hand by then)

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby srai » 02 Oct 2014 08:02

Kartik wrote:All eyes on Tejas Mk2
...far improved performance across the flight envelope, including higher turn rates, acceleration and climb, a much smaller logistics and maintenance footprint, longer endurance with a larger fuel carrying capacity, a vastly improved electronic warfare suite and a full weapons capability, including beyond visual range air to air missiles, stand-off strike weapons and anti-ship missiles. The G limits on the Mk.2 will be up from +8/-3.5 to +9/-3.5. The platform will also sport an on-board oxygen generation system and will be 45% composites by weight.


:D ... isn't the Mk.1 already coming with "a full weapons capability"?

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby Hobbes » 02 Oct 2014 08:49

srin wrote:The IAF is being inconsistent.

If you really want a LIFT with "limited offensive capabilities", then you don't need to waste time with integrating refuelling probes, new nose cone for 20% increased radar range, and so on, for FoC certification.

After the FoC clearance, the Mk1 will be a highly effective combat platform. And if you also factor in likely delays in Mk2 (the normal R&D delays, and there will be some greedy scope increase too), then it does seem very likely that the Mk1 orders won't be restricted to just 40. They will probably have to double it.


+1.

I'd say that all of the SPS blah on LIFT and using Mk.1 as a trainer is DDMitis, fed by the usual suspects who never shy away from the FUD game. Ignore it is my suggestion.

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby deejay » 02 Oct 2014 11:14

^^^ The IAF fighter pilot is among the most trained pilot in the world. Our training / flying- education system is at par if not the best in the world. It involves one year flying training before earning wings, another one year after it before undertaking a year of OCU / MOFT syllabus. There is a lot of flying training even after this done at Sqns before a pilot is declared fully ops.

The OCU and MOFT / HOFT set ups have always utilised the main / bulk / backbone fighters as their trainers. These include Hunters and later Mig 21s. Typically, after leaving Hakimpet, fighter guys go to these places and get their training in pure fighter roles and get their Ops Conversion done. From here they move to Ops Units which could be Mig 21 Sqns or other aircraft. Usually, the more complicated and expensive the machinery, the greater is the experience requirements for pilots to be sent to such sqns.

As LCA replaces Mig 21, the same roles will be slowly be taken by the Tejas. In time it will do all that the Mig 21 does and much more. The use of LIFT as a term may not be right but Operational Conversion Unit (OCU) is kind off a LIFT set up and so is Mig Operational Flying Training Unit (MOFTU).

The Operational Cost of the single engine aircraft is low and so is the cost of procurement. It makes sense to use such an aircraft for this role as we have done with the Mig 21. No point in buying another aircraft for this role. And because all fighter pilots will fly the LCA in some form or the other in their tenure in IAF, I think it is going to be the backbone of IAF in training and operational roles.

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby deejay » 02 Oct 2014 11:16

^^^ Oh! BTW, air to air refueling needs training. Might as well have it on Mk 1 and train the guys, no?

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby member_28788 » 02 Oct 2014 12:30

Guys here is something I have been guessing. It definitely sounds counterproductive to not induct LCA & then upgrade/improve iteratively by IAF. But perhaps one reason is that IAF brass thinks HAL/ADA & Other Labs will go complacent on upgrading LCA once IAF inducts it. As long as LCA is not inducted, there is tremendous pressure on HAL/ADA to deliver. The stretched timeline of tejas is undeniably hanging like fire over HAL/ADA. This might be keeping HAL/ADA on tenterhooks. Even I think that post FOC or induction, it will not be possible to put the same pressure on HAL/ADA as it is now & things may well roll into slumber zone.

Imagine a post FOC scenario: I think Tejas is already a pretty kick ass platform but it gets accepted by IAF with some nags. Once IAF is flying it, it will be hard to complain because LCA is that good. In actual operations LCA might become some kind of celebration of HAL/ADA. In that situation how easy it would be for IAF brass to pressure HAL/ADA or def min to for outstanding issues.

Comparing this with present Scenario where everyone knows and is irritated with failed deadlines on LCA. Building pressure for delivery is easier & hence accelerate the staff at HAL/ADA & other labs.

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby Kartik » 02 Oct 2014 13:41

Hobbes wrote:
srin wrote:The IAF is being inconsistent.

If you really want a LIFT with "limited offensive capabilities", then you don't need to waste time with integrating refuelling probes, new nose cone for 20% increased radar range, and so on, for FoC certification.

After the FoC clearance, the Mk1 will be a highly effective combat platform. And if you also factor in likely delays in Mk2 (the normal R&D delays, and there will be some greedy scope increase too), then it does seem very likely that the Mk1 orders won't be restricted to just 40. They will probably have to double it.


+1.

I'd say that all of the SPS blah on LIFT and using Mk.1 as a trainer is DDMitis, fed by the usual suspects who never shy away from the FUD game. Ignore it is my suggestion.


Agree. Those statements just don't approach reality.


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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby Shrinivasan » 02 Oct 2014 21:28

^^^ LCA Tejas SP1's first flight is a MOMENTOUS occasion, more in line with TD1's first flight or IOC1/2. What we are seeing is absolutely pathetic coverage. Other than Taramak's pictures (which Chacko also posted here in BR), no other photo / video has been released. I think this should have been a major celebration by ADA, HAL and IAF but it turned out to be a damp squib. Anyway... Kudos to ADA and HAL for the maiden flight of SP1 in September 2014. i smell something fishy here.

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby member_27581 » 02 Oct 2014 22:31

Shrinivasan wrote:
ranjan.rao wrote:A bit off topic, but is there anyplace we can get a scaled model for LCA. I tried looking for it on google but not successful so far. Amazon ebay have models for many other planes but obviously not for Tejas
I think it has not been built for sale til now. You may get some Merchandise @ http://www.tejas.gov.in/merchandise.html#Memorabilia but no models available as of now.

Check out during AI 2015, some vendors might start displaying them. But you may build one by taking a kit of another Cranked Delta Single Engined Fighter!!!


Thanks Shrinivasan sir!

I pray that I can drop at AI2015..seems less likely, lets see how I can buy one. I think this too should be a way that we can create awareness about our home grown products beyond BRF

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby member_28722 » 03 Oct 2014 02:28

Shrinivasan wrote:^^^ LCA Tejas SP1's first flight is a MOMENTOUS occasion, more in line with TD1's first flight or IOC1/2. What we are seeing is absolutely pathetic coverage. Other than Taramak's pictures (which Chacko also posted here in BR), no other photo / video has been released. I think this should have been a major celebration by ADA, HAL and IAF but it turned out to be a damp squib. Anyway... Kudos to ADA and HAL for the maiden flight of SP1 in September 2014. i smell something fishy here.

Vested arms lobbies will try to play down any achievement of LCA. Can you imagine the number of pockets which will go dry if we scale down MMRCA order. I am waiting for the day we get Kaveri operational (hopefully not too far off) and homegrown AESA on combat jets (probably 2-3 years away)

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby putnanja » 03 Oct 2014 03:30

LCA Navy's second fighter ready to take off

India’s second home grown carrier-borne fighter aircraft is expected to fly within a month, but its induction into the Navy is still several years away.

“The NP (naval prototype)-2 is now ready. It is undergoing ground testing. The first flight is likely in the next 15-20 days,” K Tamilmani, director general in charge of aeronautical systems at Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) told Deccan Herald here.

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In the trial phase, the next challenge for LCA Navy will come by December when it will have to take off from a specially created shore-based ramp – a replica of the ski-jump in an aircraft carrier – in Goa.

“Take off from the shore based testing facility is likely by November,” Tamilmani said. A Navy officer, however, pointed out that it could happen latest by December, subject to the approval of the defence minister.

Since LCA Navy is a STOBAR (short take off but arrested recovery) aircraft, the naval pilots will subsequently have to first practise a precise landing using an arrester hook on the shore-based facility before trying it on the ship. As of now, DRDO plans to approach the regulator for certification of LCA Navy by 2017.
The naval fighter is three years behind schedule as going by the original plan, NP-2 was to fly by the end of 2011.

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The sanction was to develop one trainer and one fighter (NP-1 and NP-2) along with the shore based testing facility. Later, two more prototypes (NP-3 and 4) were approved.
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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby member_28722 » 03 Oct 2014 03:45

How many more jets can we accommodate if we deploy Tejas instead of Mig29 from Vikramaditya?

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Postby NRao » 03 Oct 2014 03:55

Nuggets:

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=21321

The Indian Ocean Dialogue will be held between India and the US to feed into the Indian Ocean Rim Association (IORA) summit to be held in Perth next week. India is very sensitive about the Indian Ocean being its strategic backyard, and recent moves by China to send submarines into the Indian Ocean has put the Indian Navy on alert.

For the first time, the US has offered India high grade technology for the next generation of Indian Navy vessels. The Navy, according to sources, is in the process of building over 40 different classes of warships and destroyers. Indian officials say this is a first, putting a new layer to the defence relationship.

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby Ramu » 03 Oct 2014 04:17

Time to bulk order the engines and any other long term dependent hardware.

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Postby NRao » 03 Oct 2014 04:43

This month is when AJ visits the US.

Nov is when a US Gen (whose name escapes me now) - in charge if ordering - visits India. IMHO this is the trip that should really count.

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby Shrinivasan » 03 Oct 2014 08:15

saurabh.mhapsekar wrote:
Shrinivasan wrote:^^^ LCA Tejas SP1's first flight is a MOMENTOUS occasion, more in line with TD1's first flight or IOC1/2. What we are seeing is absolutely pathetic coverage. Other than Taramak's pictures (which Chacko also posted here in BR), no other photo / video has been released. I think this should have been a major celebration by ADA, HAL and IAF but it turned out to be a damp squib. Anyway... Kudos to ADA and HAL for the maiden flight of SP1 in September 2014. i smell something fishy here.

Vested arms lobbies will try to play down any achievement of LCA. Can you imagine the number of pockets which will go dry if we scale down MMRCA order. I am waiting for the day we get Kaveri operational (hopefully not too far off) and homegrown AESA on combat jets (probably 2-3 years away)

Agree 400% WRT lifafa news traders, what about DRDO or ADA or HAL?... This could have been a swan song for the outgoing HAL chairman. Giving credit where it is due, Mr. Tyagi was good.

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby Hobbes » 03 Oct 2014 08:29

saurabh.mhapsekar wrote:
Shrinivasan wrote:^^^ LCA Tejas SP1's first flight is a MOMENTOUS occasion, more in line with TD1's first flight or IOC1/2. What we are seeing is absolutely pathetic coverage. Other than Taramak's pictures (which Chacko also posted here in BR), no other photo / video has been released. I think this should have been a major celebration by ADA, HAL and IAF but it turned out to be a damp squib. Anyway... Kudos to ADA and HAL for the maiden flight of SP1 in September 2014. i smell something fishy here.

Vested arms lobbies will try to play down any achievement of LCA. Can you imagine the number of pockets which will go dry if we scale down MMRCA order. I am waiting for the day we get Kaveri operational (hopefully not too far off) and homegrown AESA on combat jets (probably 2-3 years away)


I seem to remember that just before the maiden flight of the LCA in 2001, Lockheed Martin wrote an official letter to the GoI stating that the LCA was unfit to fly, it would crash on takeoff, yada yada, and that out of pure altruism and humanitarian concern for the safety of the pilot and associated crew they were sending this warning not to proceed with the flight, and to scratch the program altogether.

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Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Postby Indranil » 03 Oct 2014 11:42

Night Flying 2014 (from ADA website)

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