China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby brar_w » 04 Sep 2015 21:29

I am sorry but the propaganda and PR value aside, this is very much a real threat that the Chinese pose. Their SRBM and IRBM build up when combined by a very rapidly funded (and tested) Hypersonic program is a serious threat to anyone regardless of who and where they are.

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby DavidD » 04 Sep 2015 22:44

Chandragupta wrote:Wasn't there an article on orbat.com which said IA is effectively larger than PLA in terms of actual fighting troops?


I wouldn't be surprised, the PLA has a ton of fat that needs to be trimmed.

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby Bade » 04 Sep 2015 23:02

:rotfl: 70,000 white pigeons were released.

Most of it will be hunted down by the local populace and eaten for free.

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby member_28756 » 05 Sep 2015 07:37

brar_w wrote:I am sorry but the propaganda and PR value aside, this is very much a real threat that the Chinese pose. Their SRBM and IRBM build up when combined by a very rapidly funded (and tested) Hypersonic program is a serious threat to anyone regardless of who and where they are.

Yeah and DF 41 and their long range cruise missiles too but also their overall modernization of their conventional arm forces such tanks, Surface to Air missiles etc especialy their information and communication warfare.

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby Viv S » 05 Sep 2015 08:08

Surya wrote:someone in Cheen smoked some good ones or a video game maker got decided to reverse the good badd guy routine - and of course this will make Phillip want lots of bombers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=120&v=ULtzgE9mJD8


Assessment on weapons design, training & doctrine still pending, but full marks for graphics design!!

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby member_28756 » 05 Sep 2015 10:41

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Rick Fisher, a military analyst with the International Assessment and Strategy Center, said China’s carefully scripted rollout of the DF-26 included an official disclosure during the parade that the intermediate-range missile is capable of attacking “medium-sized ships.”

“This makes the DF-26 a second generation anti-access weapon that extends PLA strike capability far into the second island chain,” a string of islands hundreds of miles from China’s coast, Fisher said.

“This is alarming because the United States has barely started to respond to China’s first-generation anti-access ensemble targeting the first island chain, like the DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missile,” he added.

The DF-21D also was displayed during the parade. It is considered a threat to U.S. aircraft carriers because the U.S. Navy has limited defenses against the high-speed maneuvering missile, which is accurate enough to strike a large ship at sea.

Peter Cook, a Pentagon spokesman, said yesterday that defense officials are not surprised by the DF-21D. “It wouldn’t be the first time that new military hardware of some sort was displayed at a military parade, so I would suggest to you it’s not completely surprising and not something we wouldn’t have expected,” he told reporters. He did not mention the DF-26 at the Pentagon news conference.

Cook was asked why the United States does not hold similar military displays.

“The U.S. military is the world’s foremost military, and people shouldn’t doubt that,” he said. “And people know the strength of the United States, the strength of our military, and I think it’s safe to say that we don’t need to display it at parades necessarily for people to understand what the United States is capable of.”

U.S. military analysts closely monitored the parade and the weapons presented, a defense official said, adding there were no major surprises in weapons displayed.

Both the DF-26 and the DF-21D missiles are part of what the Pentagon calls China’s anti-access area-denial weaponry and part of Beijing’s military doctrine that seeks to force the U.S. military, a fixture for peace and stability in Asia for decades, to move out of the region.

As a result, the Pentagon has launched what has become known as the “pivot to Asia.” However, critics say budget shortfalls have made the pivot less effective as a strategy to bolster allies and promote freedom of navigation in the region.

A Chinese announcer during the parade called the DF-21D “an important weapon in China’s asymmetric warfare”—the Chinese military’s strategy of using niche, high-technology weapons that would allow a weaker force to defeat a stronger military.

The CJ-10 long-range conventionally armed land-attack cruise missile also was on parade. It was described as a missile “capable of stealth penetration” that can inflict “palpable damage.” It is one of China’s main battle armaments, the announcer said.

In providing new details on the DF-26, a Chinese spokeswoman said the missile is capable of being launched with either or both nuclear and conventional armed warheads.

“The DF-26 can conduct medium- to long-range precise attacks on key ground targets and large to medium naval ships,” the spokeswoman said.

“It is China’s new weapon in its strategic deterrence system.”

Fisher said the DF-26 appears to be a main reason behind Russia’s decision to violate the U.S.-Russia Intermediate-range Nuclear Forces (INF) treaty.

“The DF-26 [Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile] ASBM indicates that China is winning the anti-access versus access arms race with the United States,” he said.

As for the INF treaty, the missile “severely undermines” the 1987 accord.

“China’s deployment of new intermediate-range ballistic missile and medium-range ballistic missiles is a key reason why Russia has made repeated hints that it wants to end the INF Treaty,” he said.

The Chinese DF-26 deployment should prompt the U.S. government to realize that the INF treaty no longer contributes to U.S. national security, he said.

“The United States needs to start building its own force of [Medium-Range Ballistic Missiles] MRBMs and [Intermediate-Range Ballistic Missiles] IRBMs to deter China and Russia,” he said.

Short-range missiles in the parade included the DF-15B and DF-16, which Chinese state media said are used for conducting “precision strikes.”

One defense official said the parade did not produce any major surprises and was more significant for the four new high-technology weapons and capabilities that were not on display.

“They didn’t show their cyber warfare capabilities, or their anti-satellite missiles, or the new DF-41 ICBM or the hypersonic glide vehicle,” the official said.

Those weapons are the ones that are believed to present the greatest challenges for U.S. war planners.

The hypersonic glide vehicle initially identified as the Wu-14 is now being called the DF-ZF.

Other missiles shown in the parade included the DF-31A and DF-5B intercontinental ballistic missiles, considered the backbone of China’s expanding strategic nuclear forces.

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby Singha » 05 Sep 2015 11:58

Surya wrote:someone in Cheen smoked some good ones or a video game maker got decided to reverse the good badd guy routine - and of course this will make Phillip want lots of bombers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=120&v=ULtzgE9mJD8


loved the fist thumping hard on the table. but jokes aside, 1000 SRBM/IRBM/GLCM if they deploy into tibet will be able to daily pound most of our airbases and make it very difficult to use them unless we have reliable ABM/SRSAM defences + able to locate and target their staging and hiding areas to push them back. just as WLR backtracks inflight artillery shells to their launch point, we need space and land based means to backtrack inbound SRBM/IRBM.

and we need to build inventory fast of our own, not in penny packets british style.

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby shiv » 05 Sep 2015 13:10

I saw that fist but it was a wimp fist. I think they should have used a man whose wrist was as broad as his fist - rather than the slightly SDRE wrist.

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby member_22539 » 05 Sep 2015 14:25

^Then I guess that is the only realistic thing in the whole thing.

Who are they trying to impress with that? Are the youth in China so out of touch that they can swallow such Mao era propaganda?

Or is it the PLA that is out of touch with their own youth (whom I guess this is aimed at) and thinks them so simple minded?

Also, I know Khan does the same, but I rather not discuss that, because they take stuff to a completely different level.

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby Singha » 05 Sep 2015 14:49

Hollywood is khans 24x7 propaganda Dept. People pay worldwide to see it.

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby Rahul M » 05 Sep 2015 15:05

we dont have similar reactions when US gaming industry does these things ? china has simply copied them.

hope someone does it in India as well. I am tired of playing as US/EU/Russia/China.

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby kit » 05 Sep 2015 15:11

Singha wrote:Hollywood is khans 24x7 propaganda Dept. People pay worldwide to see it.


you said it :D

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby member_22539 » 05 Sep 2015 15:14

Rahul M wrote:hope someone does it in India as well. I am tired of playing as US/EU/Russia/China.


+1 Billion to that :D

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby shiv » 05 Sep 2015 17:33

We really should not be talking about this but we Indians have been beating into looking at ourselves like losers. The heroes are always someone else. The '65 war, currently in the news is a case in point. The Pakis botched every single thing except that in the post war period they paid firangis to write glowing accounts of Paki victories. And for 50 years I have seen Indians - now 30 years younger than me apologeticallly saying "Er ah um. 65 was a stalemate. Give credit to Pakis"

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby member_22539 » 05 Sep 2015 18:41

^You are right, but I remember it being described as victory. Maybe the current Internet garbage has made things questionable for some gullible youngsters (though most are much more nationalistic than their parents). It doesn't help that their gray haired presstitute elders are feeding them bullshit. This is unlike the case of Kargil, which is still fresh in the memory of my generation (still remember cheers when we heard the captured Tiger Hill). So, the presstitutes get away with a lot more.

We need to beat into Bollywood and the news media a nationalistic thought process/habit. They must not be allowed to get away with stuff like lionizing a pissful gangster/rioter from Gujarat and doing equal equal with porkis.


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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby Singha » 07 Sep 2015 17:46

US navy has released footage and audio of the P8A poseidon that flew over the disputed island in the south china sea and got into a radio argument with the chinese navy ATC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaKbZW0pqkM

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby nits » 09 Sep 2015 12:25

Saw the video... Chinese Navy Kept repeating - "Go back; go back...." and US Plane kept replying - "We are in international airspace....." so how does such situations gets resolved. is it more of to test mentals who breaks off first and comply to other...? or does such thing gets escalated where fighter jets get scrambled or warning shots gets fired etc. ?

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby Singha » 09 Sep 2015 12:29

fighter jets coming up and shadowing them was and is quite expected. the chinese did not have fighters in the region that far out. the wang wei thing was much nearer to hainan.

shot firing is not part of the 'game' in international waters but close passes and cutting in front are - both in sea and air. china has added to that throwing logs of wood infront of ships.

5/10/67: During joint maneuvers of Japanese and U.S. fleets
taking place in the Sea of Japan the Soviet Kotlin class
destroyer Besslednyi scrapes the USS Walker (DD-517) despite
repeated warnings not to get too close. Both ships suffer minor
damage.

05/11/67: For the second time in two days a Soviet destroyer and
the USS Walker (DD-517) collide in the Sea of Japan. This second
incident occurs when the Soviet destroyer "turned into and
toward" the Walker, and, according to the U.S. Department of
Defense announcement, the two ships "brushed together." The
United States delivers what the Department of State describes as
a severe protest over the incident, which again involved a Navy
task force conducting antisubmarine warfare exercises.

here a soviet krivak FFG rams a tico class CG
http://www.navsource.org/archives/04/1148/04014825.jpg

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby nits » 09 Sep 2015 17:45

Quite interesting are the ways and very thin line between show of Power and Diplomacy... Any known incidence between Pak\India or China\India (other than Airawat and Chinese Navy - Link )

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby shravanp » 09 Sep 2015 18:04

Viv S wrote:
Surya wrote:someone in Cheen smoked some good ones or a video game maker got decided to reverse the good badd guy routine - and of course this will make Phillip want lots of bombers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=120&v=ULtzgE9mJD8


Assessment on weapons design, training & doctrine still pending, but full marks for graphics design!!



Do note the fighter deck crew enactment of Top Gun at precise 3:14 :)

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby NRao » 09 Sep 2015 18:06

Saw the video... Chinese Navy Kept repeating - "Go back; go back...." and US Plane kept replying - "We are in international airspace....." so how does such situations gets resolved. is it more of to test mentals who breaks off first and comply to other...? or does such thing gets escalated where fighter jets get scrambled or warning shots gets fired etc. ?


This and that and everything in-between.

Recall a Chinese jet came too close to a USN plane, the two collided, the Chinese pilot lost his life and the US plane landed on a Chinese island, was stripped and sent back in boxes!!!!!

And, the latest, a week ago, Chinese naval vessels transited within 12 kms of US land mass. The USN was very happy with that - the USN can now do the same and not have the Chinese say "go", "go". The Chinese have lost that right. I am guessing that China felt it was useless asking the USN to "go", it was not going to happen, so they did the next best.

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby shiv » 09 Sep 2015 18:51



The ZBD 03 is an interesting vehicle. The tracks seem "delicate" like it is meant for fast movement on relatively smooth terrain. Looks like a light and lightly armoured vehicle

Google tells me it is for airdropping and weighs 8 tons
http://www.dingsheng.com/data/attachmen ... q6rqn2.jpg

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby member_28756 » 09 Sep 2015 19:46

http://www.janes.com/article/54069/upda ... ber-parade


Update: China showcases new weapon systems at 3 September parade

Richard D Fisher Jr, Washington, DC and James Hardy, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

08 September 2015






The DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missile was one of the key systems on show for the first time at China's 3 September military parade in Beijing. Source: AP/PA



The central event of the 3 September commemoration of the 70th Anniversary of the Chinese People's War of Resistance against Japanese Aggression and the World Anti-Fascist War in Beijing was a military parade that saw the first 'official' revelation of many new weapon systems.

The 15th such military parade held in Beijing since 1949, it featured 12,000 troops and 56 general officers from the People's Liberation Army (PLA), plus 1,000 troops from 17 other countries.

Chinese state media reported that the parade also featured 500 ground-based weapons of more than 40 types and 200 aircraft of more than 20 types. While these reports noted that 80% of these weapons had "never been presented to the public before", this was mainly in the sense of an 'official' revelation. Many of these weapon systems had been previously disclosed in Chinese military publications and on web pages.

Weapons revealed in the 3 September parade are considered 'deployed' or in PLA service.

The following is a brief review of some of the latest Chinese weapon systems showcased in the 3 September parade:

DF-21D anti-ship ballistic missile

While its development likely dates to the early 1990s, according to the Pentagon, the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation's (CASIC's) Dong Feng DF-21D started deployment in 2014. It is the world's first deployed anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM), using a manoeuvrable warhead likely with multiple sensors to enable attacks against moving ships at sea. It is expected that the PLA will seek to co-ordinate DF-21D strikes with air- and submarine-launched anti-ship missiles to overwhelm target defences.

DF-16 medium-range ballistic missile

Likely deployed to Second Artillery Corp units starting in early 2011, the CASIC DF-16 800-1,000 km medium-range ballistic missile made its first parade appearance. It uses the warhead stage of the DF-11A short-range ballistic missile with a larger-boost engine to achieve longer range and higher speeds to evade new US missile defences acquired by Taiwan. This missile may also be able to attack Japanese and US forces on Okinawa. The DF-16 also employs laser countermeasures on its TEL cabin roof.

DF-26 intermediate-range ballistic missile

The China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC) 3,000 to 4,000 km-range DF-26 intermediate-range ballistic missile also made its first parade appearance. Its announced anti-ship capability was covered by IHS Jane's in 'DF-26 IRBM may have an ASM variant, China reveals at 3 September parade, 3/9/2015'.

DF-5B intercontinental ballistic missile

Making its first parade appearance, Asian military sources have mentioned the multiple-warhead-armed CASC DF-5B 15,000-km-range, liquid-fuelled ICBM since 2008. However, the Pentagon did not acknowledge this silo-launched ICBM until the publication of its 2015 annual China report. Its appearance in the parade revealed the DF-5B uses the same missile shroud technology as CASC's Long March-2C space launch vehicle. While reported to carry only three warheads, it appears that the DF-5B is large enough to carry many more.

Land systems

Type 99A main battle tanks. (AP/PA)
Type 99A main battle tanks. (AP/PA)

Type 99A main battle tank

The third generation of Norinco's Type 99 main battle tank family revealed in 1999, the Type 99A was first revealed by Chinese sources in early 2011. Also called the Type 99A2, it was featured prominently in the September 2014 Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) 'Peace Mission' exercises. Its distinctive feature is a sharp, wedge-shaped turret that makes extensive use of second-generation composite and reactive armour plus the use of a second-generation laser countermeasures system. Weighing about 50 tons, it is armed with a 125 mm, auto-stabilised, auto-loading main gun that Chinese media revealed may be capable of firing eight rounds a minute and is armed with gun-launched anti-tank missiles. Featuring new digital communications, one of the tank's designers has stated that the Type 99A has not reached desired reliability levels.

ZBD-04A infantry fighting vehicle

Also making its first official appearance was the Norinco ZBD-04A infantry fighting vehicle (IFV). An improved version of the ZBD-04 IFV officially revealed during the October 2009 military parade, prototypes of the ZBD-04A started appearing in 2007 and could be seen entering PLA units in 2011. Its main difference is that it lacks the amphibious capability of the ZBD-04 and has added armour. Estimated to weigh 24 to 25 tons, it has a crew of three and carries six to seven troops. Its gun turret, based on that of the Russian BMP-3 obtained during the 1990s, is armed with a 100 mm cannon that fires gun-launched anti-tank missiles, plus a 30 mm automatic cannon.

AFT-10 anti-tank missile systems being carried by modified ZBD-04A APCs. (AP/PA)
AFT-10 anti-tank missile systems being carried by modified ZBD-04A APCs. (AP/PA)

AFT-10 anti-tank missile

Also making its first official appearance was the AFT-10 fibre-optic-guided, non-line-of-sight (NLOS) anti-tank missile. Eight are carried by a modified ZBD-04A APC. The PLA's interest in NLOS anti-tank missiles became apparent in 2011, and the AFT-10 featured prominently in the 2014 'Peace Mission' exercises. The missile reportedly has a range of about 10 km.

PLZ-05 self-propelled artillery system

Though it reportedly entered PLA service in 2008, the Norinco PLZ-05 self-propelled artillery system made its first official appearance in the 3 September parade. Influenced by Russia 2S19 MSTA, the 35-ton PLZ-05 reportedly has a semi-automatic loading 155 mm/L52 gun capable of firing 8 to 10 rounds a minute. It can fire the new WS-35 navigation satellite-guided round reportedly out to 100 km.

ZTL-09 IFVs. (AP/PA)
ZTL-09 IFVs. (AP/PA)

ZTL-09 armoured personnel carrier

Reported to have entered service in 2009, the ZTL-09 is a 105 mm tank gun-armed variant of Norinco's 8x8 ZBD-09 armoured personnel carrier (APC), and was referred to in the parade as the "Type 11 wheeled assault gun". Its main mission is to provide fire support for troops, and it equips new PLA Army units comprising 'medium-weight' armour. Weighing slightly more than 20 tons, the ZTL-09 has a crew of four and is powered by a 400 to 500 hp diesel engine.

Dong Feng Warrior light combat vehicle

First seen in 2011, the Dong Feng Motors Warrior is a light combat vehicle entering service with the PLA and People's Armed Police (PAP) units. It is Dong Feng's effort to offer a better armoured successor to its version of the AM General Humvee, which remains popular in the PLA. In the parade a 4x4 version equipped a PLA unit, while a 6x6 version equipped a PAP unit. The 6x6 version has a fully loaded weight of 8 tons and a top speed of 130 km/h. It has been seen armed with a heavy machine gun or a PF-98 infantry support rocket.

Naval systems

HHQ-10 short-range air defence missile

While the Luoyang FL-3000N/HHQ-10 naval short-range air defence missile was first revealed at the 2008 Zhuhai Airshow, it was first deployed in 2011 on the PLA Navy aircraft carrier Liaoning , warranting its appearance in the 2015 parade. This 6 to 9 km range surface-to-air missile comes in 24 and 8 cell launchers similar to the US RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM). The latter appeared on the Type 056 corvette starting in 2013, while the larger launcher is used on the new Type 052D destroyer.

YJ-12 anti-ship cruise missiles. (AP/PA)
YJ-12 anti-ship cruise missiles. (AP/PA)

YJ-12 anti-ship missile

Also making its first parade appearance was the Hongdu Aviation Industries Corporation's YJ-12 ramjet-powered, supersonic air-launched anti-ship missile. It is a development of the ramjet-powered YJ-91, influenced by the Russian Zvezda Kh-31 purchased by the PLA. The speed of the YJ-12 is estimated at between Mach 2.5 and Mach 4, with a range of up to 400 km. Two are carried by XAC H-6G bombers in PLA Naval Air Force (PLANAF) service. Up to six can be carried by the new H-6K bomber, and a regiment of these could launch more than 100 for saturation attacks.

Aircraft

J-11B combat aircraft

Though reportedly deployed by 2007, the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (SAC) J-11B, a much-modified version of the 'hijacked' Russian Sukhoi Su-27SK design, did not make the 2009 parade, hence its appearance in 2015. Most importantly, the J-11B is the first variant to use the indigenous Shenyang-Liming WS-10A Taihang turbofan engine. The result of an enormous Chinese development effort, reasonably reliable WS-10As did not start emerging until about 2009. The J-11B is armed with the 100 km-range Luoyang PL-12 self-guided, medium-range air-to-air missile and may now equip up to 11 PLA Air Force and PLANAF regiments.

A Y-9 transport and J-15 carrier-borne fighter aircraft. (AP/PA)
A Y-9 transport and J-15 carrier-borne fighter aircraft. (AP/PA)

J-15 carrier-based fighter

Also making its first parade appearance was the SAC J-15 carrier-based fighter. Aided by access from Ukraine to an early prototype of the Sukhoi Su-33 carrier-based fighter, SAC's J-15 emerged in May 2010. On 25 November 2012,China reported that the J-15 had made an arrested landing on the carrier Liaoning . Powered by Russian Saturn AL-31FN and Taihang turbofans, the J-15's performance is similar to that of the J-11B, although its range is reduced by its need to use a ski-jump for take-off.

H-6K strategic bomber

While Xian Aircraft Corporation's (XAC's) H-6K strategic bomber prototype reportedly flew in late 2007, it was not deployed until 2011, hence its first appearance in the 2015 parade. The most radical modification of Xian's copy of the Russian Tupolev Tu-16, the H-6K was the first Chinese version to replace the glass nose with a large radar and optical sensor. It also uses Russian Soloviev D-30-KP2 turbofans to achieve an estimated 3,000 km range. It has wing pylons for six missiles, such as the 1,500 km-range CJ-10K and the YJ-12, and carries many types of precision-guided bombs.

KJ-500 AEW&C aircraft

Making its first parade appearance, the Shaanxi Aircraft Corporation's KJ-500 airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft reportedly entered PLA Air Force service in late 2014. It uses Shaanxi's proven Y-9 airframe with a new, lighter version of the active electronically scanned array used by the larger KJ-2000 AEW&C platform. Though at five hours it has less endurance, it is also less expensive for the PLA to acquire.

Wing Loong MALE unmanned aerial vehicles in Beijing. (AP/PA)
Wing Loong MALE unmanned aerial vehicles in Beijing. (AP/PA)

UAVs

The parade confirmed that China has at least two medium-altitude long-endurance unmanned aerial vehicles in service: the Gongji-1 (Attack-1, GJ-1) version of the Yilong I/Wing Loong (Pterodactyl) I UAV and the BUAA BZK-005 UAV were both on show in Beijing.

The Yilong UAVs in the parade debuted in People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) colours at 2014 Airshow China in Zhuhai, although company versions have been seen for some years.

The BZK-005 was first seen in an AVIC promotional video at the 2006 Airshow China. In October 2009 two platforms were photographed at an airfield near Beijing. A JDW report on this photograph compared the platform to the Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) Heron MALE UAV, adding an estimated endurance of 40 hours at a maximum altitude of about 26,000 ft.

In September 2013 a Japan Air Self-Defense Force aircraft intercepted a BZK-005 over the East China Sea as it headed towards Okinawa from Chinese airspace.

Notably, the CASC CH-4 surveillance/strike MALE UAV, which was documented launching a missile at a simulated enemy vehicle during the 'Peace Mission' exercise in Inner Mongolia in August 2014, was not at the parade.

Helicopters

A large number of helicopters took part in flybys as part of the parade. All were of domestic design or were re-designs of legacy foreign platforms, such as the Changhe Z-8 (Aérospatiale SA 321 Super Frelon), and the WZ-19 and WZ-10 attack helicopters, which are French- and Russian-derived designs, respectively.

Notable by their absence were older platforms such as Mi-17 variants, although this is likely because of their foreign provenance rather than their importance to PLA operations.

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

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http://defence-blog.com/news/russia-and ... opter.html


Russia and China plan to build an innovative heavy-lift helicopter


By Dylan Vosman -

Sep 8, 2015

Russia and China are to sign the contract for the joint development of a heavy-lift helicopter designated Advanced Heavy Lift (AHL), Deputy Chief Executive Officer for Sales at Russian Helicopters holding company Grigory Kozlov was quoted as saying in an interview.

“We are going to build a helicopter from scratch making it a fundamentally new aircraft even though it will borrow some of the solutions from the existing Mi-26, explains Gregory Kozlov.

He also noted that to date, Russian Helicopters and Chinese corporation AVIC had formulated preliminary specifications and were working on towards a consensus on what the advanced heavy-lift helicopter would look like.

Experts estimate that the demand for the new model in China could top 200 rotorcrafts for the period until 2040. It is assumed that the AHL take-off weight will be about 38 tons, while the maximum commercial payload inside the cabin – 10 tons and the external load – 15 tons. The helicopter will be designed for around-the-clock operation in hot climates, in highland areas and in all weather conditions. It will be suitable for a wide range of missions: transportation, evacuation, firefighting and many others.

It is proposed that the future Russian-Chinese heavy-lift helicopter will receive a Russian-made engine leveraging the technology of the domestically produced engine PD-14. The Perm aircraft designers are prepared to launch this engine into mass production. One of the PD-14 prototypes was unveiled at the MAKS-2015 air show.

The framework cooperation agreement for the advanced heavy-lift helicopter project was signed between Russian Helicopters and China Aviation Industry Corporation this May. Pursuant to the agreement, the parties will work together across all the areas of development and preparatory activities ahead of the mass production of the new Advanced Heavy Lift (AHL) rotorcraft.

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby member_28756 » 11 Sep 2015 14:02

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/ ... EB20150911

World | Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:28am EDT

China developing new attack helicopter with stealth abilities

BEIJING


China has begun developing a new generation of attack helicopter which will have stealth abilities and should start deliveries to the Chinese armed forces by about 2020, the official China Daily newspaper said on Friday.

The helicopter is being developed by Aviation Industry Corp of China (AVIC), one of the country's leading arms manufacturers, the state-run English-language publication said.

Its stealth capabilities will "reshape the combat patterns" of the People's Liberation Army, company chairman Lin Zuoming was quoted as saying.

"It is a trend that the ground force will become increasingly dependent on helicopters because they have better strike capability and mobility than armored vehicles, and transport supplies to frontier troops," Lin said.

The company's chief helicopter designer, Wu Ximing, said the aircraft would have "supreme maneuverability in complicated environments, outstanding survivability and joint operation ability", the report added.

It provided no other details.

President Xi Jinping has pushed to toughen and modernize the country's 2.3 million-strong armed forces as China takes a more assertive stance in the region, particularly in the South China and East China seas.

That has included developing a series of high-tech weapons, including stealth jets, aircraft carriers and emerging technology aimed at shooting down satellites





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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby kit » 11 Sep 2015 14:24

MANNY K wrote:http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/11/us-china-defence-helicopter-idUSKCN0RB0EB20150911

World | Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:28am EDT

China developing new attack helicopter with stealth abilities

BEIJING


China has begun developing a new generation of attack helicopter which will have stealth abilities and should start deliveries to the Chinese armed forces by about 2020, the official China Daily newspaper said on Friday.

The helicopter is being developed by Aviation Industry Corp of China (AVIC), one of the country's leading arms manufacturers, the state-run English-language publication said.

Its stealth capabilities will "reshape the combat patterns" of the People's Liberation Army, company chairman Lin Zuoming was quoted as saying.

"It is a trend that the ground force will become increasingly dependent on helicopters because they have better strike capability and mobility than armored vehicles, and transport supplies to frontier troops," Lin said.

The company's chief helicopter designer, Wu Ximing, said the aircraft would have "supreme maneuverability in complicated environments, outstanding survivability and joint operation ability", the report added.

It provided no other details.

President Xi Jinping has pushed to toughen and modernize the country's 2.3 million-strong armed forces as China takes a more assertive stance in the region, particularly in the South China and East China seas.

That has included developing a series of high-tech weapons, including stealth jets, aircraft carriers and emerging technology aimed at shooting down satellites




We all knew it will happen when Pakistan turned over parts of the US special operations helicopter to the Chinese .No wonder uncle is not so gung ho about giving them UCAV s

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby Sid » 11 Sep 2015 23:38

MANNY K wrote:Image

http://defence-blog.com/news/russia-and ... opter.html

Russia and China plan to build an innovative heavy-lift helicopter




Is this just me or this super innovative chopper looks a lot like CH-53 stallion?

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby Philip » 12 Sep 2015 17:45

Why both the IAF and IN need dedicated maritime bombers/bombers to deal with the multiplicity of Chinese targets at long range and in the Indo-China Sea .

YJ-12 anti-ship missile

Also making its first parade appearance was the Hongdu Aviation Industries Corporation's YJ-12 ramjet-powered, supersonic air-launched anti-ship missile. It is a development of the ramjet-powered YJ-91, influenced by the Russian Zvezda Kh-31 purchased by the PLA. The speed of the YJ-12 is estimated at between Mach 2.5 and Mach 4, with a range of up to 400 km. Two are carried by XAC H-6G bombers in PLA Naval Air Force (PLANAF) service. Up to six can be carried by the new H-6K bomber, and a regiment of these could launch more than 100 for saturation attacks.

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/ ... 0220150912


Boeing plans to finish some 737 jetliners in China: report
MOBILE, Ala. | By Alwyn Scott


Boeing Co is planning to move final production work for some 737 jetliners to a new facility in China, and is timing an announcement to coincide with the first U.S. state visit of China's president, Xi Jinping, later this month, according to a published report.

The report in Aviation Week on Friday appeared to surprise elected officials, unions and industry leaders in Washington state, where Boeing now builds all 737s. The governor's office, labor leaders and the industry association told Reuters they had not heard of the plan.

The International Association of Machinists District 751 said it was concerned about potential job losses. Boeing had not shared details of the plan, it also said.

Boeing declined to comment on the report, but issued a statement that left open the possibility, saying that it is always looking to expand and improve productivity.

"One way we do this is by working with partners around the world, including in China, our largest international market," the company said. "However, we do not comment on options we may be exploring."

Moving work to China from Boeing's plane-production stronghold in the U.S. Pacific Northwest would represent a bold step for the Chicago-based company, which so far has set up one full assembly line outside Washington state, in South Carolina
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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby VinodTK » 15 Sep 2015 03:59

India, China troops step back, but stay put in vicinity
In what looks like lowering of tension between the armies of India and China at Burtse in northern Ladakh, the two sides have agreed to hold a flag meeting to resolve irksome issues. Troops on either side have “stepped back” by a couple of km, but continue to stay put in the area.

The flag meeting of local commanders of the two armies was proposed for today, but the plan did not materialise. Now the two sides have agreed to hold a flag meeting “very soon”, according to sources on the Indian side.

The meeting could take place any time this week, depending on the logistics, they added. The nearest border personnel meeting (BPM) point from Burtse is at Daulat Baig Oldie, at an altitude of 16,800 feet.

Sources told The Tribune that soldiers of either side have “stepped back”, but with technological aids (UAVs and the long-range reconnaissance and observation system), we can see the People Liberation Army (PLA) of China troops within a few km of the flashpoint at Burtse.

The situation has not escalated since Saturday when troops on either side showed banners to each other, asking the other side to withdraw. Unfurling banners is part of the 2005 protocol on border management to prevent gun-toting troops from reacting in the “heat-of-the-moment”. The banner showing went on for a few hours. India had ramped up its military presence on seeing a Chinese build-up on the other side.

The recent flare-up was triggered after the PLA built a watchtower—a kind of fully serviced solar-powered hut at an altitude of 17,000 feet. The Chinese construction was bang on the “border patrolling line”. The Indian Army and the Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) protested. The hut also had a camera that recorded the movement of Indian troops in the area.

The “border patrolling line” is a way to address areas where even the alignment of un-demarcated LAC is disputed. The LAC alignment is roughly accepted by both sides in Lakakh, but some pockets remain where the “border patrolling line” is the accepted principle.

This is an informal un-demarcated line and troops on either side patrol the areas that they perceive as their own. The border patrolling line is the farthest point to which military patrols come from the Chinese side.

The Burtse area, being adjacent to Daulat Beg Oldie (DBO), forms part of huge Depsang plains perceived by India as its own territory. However, China claims it to be its territory as it gives it a tactical edge over the area, including the airfield that was made operational by the Indian Air Force (IAF) a few years ago.

The area was in news in April 2013 when a 21-day stand-off between troops of either side ended after four flag meetings between the two sides. Then the PLA had pitched five tents in the area and claimed it was part of the Chinese territory.

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby Multatuli » 16 Sep 2015 12:31

China continued South China Sea reclamation despite halt claim: expert

China was carrying out land reclamation in contested waters of the South China Sea this month, more than four weeks after saying it had stopped such activity, a U.S. expert said on Tuesday, citing recent satellite images.

The evidence of continued dredging in the Spratly archipelago could complicate a visit to the United States by Chinese President Xi Jinping next week, when U.S. concerns about China's assertive pursuit of territorial claims in Asia are expected to be high on the agenda.

Bonnie Glaser, of Washington's Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank, said images taken in early September showed dredging activity at both Subi Reef and Mischief Reef in Spratlys.

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On Aug. 5, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said Beijing had halted land reclamation in the South China Sea.

Glaser said China's activity appeared to be focused on construction for military use.

Images of Fiery Cross Reef showed a completed and freshly painted 3,000 meter runway, helipads, a radar dome, a surveillance tower and possible satellite communication facilities, she said.

Security experts say a 3,000 meter strip would be able to accommodate most Chinese military aircraft.

Glaser said China's apparent preparations to build similar airstrips on Subi and Mischief Reefs raised questions about whether it would challenge freedom of navigation in the air and sea in the future.

"The persistence of dredging, along with construction and militarization on China’s artificial islands, underscore Beijing’s unwillingness to exercise self-restraint and look for diplomatic paths to reduce tensions," she said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/ ... XQ20150915

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby Singha » 18 Sep 2015 15:48

https://www.google.co.in/maps/place/40% ... :0x0?hl=en

remember the square concrete patch north of tibet where the chinese were supposed to be testing as a DF-21 target range.

it has been enhance now to include attacking 3 simulated ships at dockside and some dockside buildings using the DF-21D . the "ships" are around 150m long the size of DDGs.

there is also a unknown 1.5km long blue roof structure to the SE which might be a second runway target.

so even if the DF21D cannot target moving ships at sea easily, they might be testing it against stationary portside targets located by satellite recon. imagine such a missile from Yunnan could target ships at dock on all our east coast and andaman islands.


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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby hnair » 18 Sep 2015 20:59

Looks like the canopy got, um, "fortified", by the time full speed testing started. F22 must be :P ing away

In general, the chinese designs go through massive changes, before it reaches FOC. From J10s to bandhars to this ambiguous role plane, the lack of maturity in some of the basic design elements are kind of interesting. Wonder what happens to the seniors whose designs are superseded due to xyz reasons that popup during testing?

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby hnair » 18 Sep 2015 21:05

Singha wrote:so even if the DF21D cannot target moving ships at sea easily, they might be testing it against stationary portside targets located by satellite recon. imagine such a missile from Yunnan could target ships at dock on all our east coast and andaman islands.


1) Basically an IRBM. Most currently deployed (or tested) ABM defenses can easily take this one out at IRBM scale.
2) India has decent counter-strike options with two families of missiles and a meagre handful of satellites.

Once again a climbdown from taking down a virile CVN sprinting at peak speed across a vast ocean to a more modest WWII-ish "let us take a capital ship in a harbour we know the co-ordinates of"

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby member_20067 » 18 Sep 2015 21:28

I was looking at the Chinese hardware display from the links given above.... what I am wondering considering the heavy weight of DF-5B--- the trailer carrying it seems very flimsy ..even the wheel support seem to be light..? Are these just fake models?

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Re: China Military Watch - August 9, 2014

Postby abhik » 18 Sep 2015 22:04

^^^
AFAIK thats a liquid fueled missile, that's not mobile when fueled. So essentially the truck is pulling a huge empty 'dabba' (+ of cource the warhead and rocket engines etc).


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