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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Arjun » 05 Sep 2014 11:36

The events of the recent past have brought into sharp focus for the benefit of the entire world what the Middle East and West Asia really stand for. Across the region all the way from Syria & Egypt to Pakistan - one is seeing a seething cauldron of 'innovation' and 'startups' each trying to better the other in genocide, terrorism & mayhem. From what it appears - this is not a new phenomenon but rather something that has been embedded in the DNA of the Middle East for several millennia.

Perhaps Islam is the problem. Or perhaps it is pre-Islamic age-old massacring and rogering ways of the warring tribes of the region that only got incorporated into Islam's own founding doctrine. Irrespective - it is not a surprise at all that India has had an increasingly urgent 'Look East' policy for a long time now. Seriously now, which people in their right minds sitting in India would want to look west at the pretty pictures presented by this medieval, failing region ? To look West from India is to look several eons backwards into the Neanderthal past.

India has a huge problem of geography - one reason for its precipitous decline in relative GDP over the last few centuries. And yet - it has been forced to deal with the ill-effects of this geography earlier and will deal with it again. There is simply no other choice. Muslims in India though have a tough (or perhaps not) call to make. They will likely be put in a position where they will be required to take a clear stance - whether they want to remain emotionally attached to the medieval mindset of India's West or step in to the future with a more forward-looking Indian / Eastern outlook. Interesting times ahead.

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Postby Austin » 05 Sep 2014 17:59

Oksana is joined by Anjem Choudary, British imam and lawyer, to reflect on these issues.

Islamic Calip-hate?

http://rt.com/shows/worlds-apart-oksana ... mic-state/

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby svinayak » 05 Sep 2014 23:32

Arjun wrote:

India has a huge problem of geography - one reason for its precipitous decline in relative GDP over the last few centuries. And yet - it has been forced to deal with the ill-effects of this geography earlier and will deal with it again. There is simply no other choice. Muslims in India though have a tough (or perhaps not) call to make. They will likely be put in a position where they will be required to take a clear stance - whether they want to remain emotionally attached to the medieval mindset of India's West or step in to the future with a more forward-looking Indian / Eastern outlook. Interesting times ahead.


This is a wrong assessment. Geography will play an advantageous role for India in the last 100 years and in the future.
Check the article
India and Geopolitics
Ratings: (5)|Views: 7,696 |Likes: 84
Geopolitics of India
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4812906/India-and-Geopolitics


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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Arjun » 06 Sep 2014 06:15

svinayak wrote:This is a wrong assessment. Geography will play an advantageous role for India in the last 100 years and in the future.
Check the article
India and Geopolitics
Ratings: (5)|Views: 7,696 |Likes: 84
Geopolitics of India
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4812906/India-and-Geopolitics

Didn't really see much of value in that document, other than some reference to the presumed advantage to India from its "central position" in the Indian Ocean. To my mind, the hypothetical future benefit of "dominating" the Indian Ocean is more than compensated by the massive negative of being next door to political Islam & the volatile Middle East. Clearly, the economic potential of Persia and the old Indus Valley areas have been irreparably stunted due to this factor - and it would be naive to think that (current day) India is unscathed. There is very likely a quantifiable drag to Indian GDP growth on account of this issue - which has also played a role in the decline of Indian GDP in relative terms from 24% to 3% of world output over the last three centuries.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Agnimitra » 06 Sep 2014 08:02

X-post from Iran thread:

Interesting concert between Unkil and Iran vis a vis ISIS. Seems like a theater is being circumscribed within which ISIS can play its khilafat games and attract jihadis from the West (and India).

Business Insider: Iran's Military Mastermind Was Reportedly Present During Iraq's Biggest Victory So Far Against ISIS
The town was secured thanks to "an unusual partnership of Iraqi and Kurdish soldiers, Iranian-backed Shiite militias and U.S. warplanes," according to The Los Angeles Times, which reported that Amerli was the first town to successfully withstand an ISIS invasion.

Irani chatter meanwhile is getting pretty worked up about the ISIS threat.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Multatuli » 06 Sep 2014 12:00

habal wrote (page 9):

They can stop it with just 1000 sf personnel with air backup, if they wish to stop IS. This group of 10,000 chimps will melt back into whichever hole they emerged from with various parts missing.


An important observation. If the Americans really were concerned about the ISIS terrorists, then it's not difficult for them crush the ISIS. In fact ISIS would not have been allowed to overrun Iraqi army and Peshmerga positions, if the US really worried about the ISIS.

A few questions:

Who created ISIS?

Open source data claims Saudi, Qatari, Turkish, American, British and Israeli involvement.

This is a diverse group of sponsors, some of their goals must clash (it's unlikely that the Saudi's have the exact same intentions toward ISIS as Israel or the UK). What are the ambitions and goals each one has for ISIS?

What are their fears about ISIS? (Obviously the return of ISIS terrorist to their place of birth, and other sponsors gaining the upper hand in directing the terror group.)

For me it's rather clear that the US sees the ISIS as a useful tool rather than as a threat. Some have suggested that the US/UK/Israel/Saudi Arabia wants to use the ISIS in the same way they used various Islamic terrorist groups in Afghanistan, only this time it's against Shia Iran and the Shia's of Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.

I agree with them, however I think the sponsors of ISIS have other goals in mind as well.

We need a better understanding of who created/sponsors the ISIS and their ambitions are for ISIS.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby member_28705 » 06 Sep 2014 15:14

Multatuli wrote:For me it's rather clear that the US sees the ISIS as a useful tool rather than as a threat. Some have suggested that the US/UK/Israel/Saudi Arabia wants to use the ISIS in the same way they used various Islamic terrorist groups in Afghanistan, only this time it's against Shia Iran and the Shia's of Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.

I agree with them, however I think the sponsors of ISIS have other goals in mind as well.

We need a better understanding of who created/sponsors the ISIS and their ambitions are for ISIS.


Sorry if this sounds rude, but what do yo mean when you say 'you agree with them'.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby pankajs » 07 Sep 2014 23:36

Sadanand Dhume ‏@dhume 6m

Unconfirmed rumors suggest that Islamic State's Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, aka Caliph Ibrahim, may have been killed. #ISIS http://www.timesofisrael.com/iraqi-soci ... der-slain/

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby RoyG » 08 Sep 2014 00:05

Yeah, more news is coming out now. They will now try to contain the IS now that Qatar and other gulf states have managed to secure most of the territory they will need to construct a natural gas pipeline to the Mediterranean.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby chanakyaa » 08 Sep 2014 06:04

Eyerak's northern region (Duhok) near Shereeya could soon start supplying majority of oil/gas needed by Oerope, cutting off Russia's oil/gas, potentially making most or all Russian pipeline network infrastructure (including Southstream) useless. There is already a well established oil pipeline passing close to the Shereeyan border.

Bigger Map here

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It could take 6-8 years for the pipeline to setup and make regions safer. It has a potential to minimize or completely eliminate Oerope's dependence on Russian Oil&Gas

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Agnimitra » 08 Sep 2014 07:33

Yazidis sending representatives to meet PM Modi to discuss the possibility of seeking asylum for their persecuted communities?

Dainik Bhaskar: भारत में बसना चाहते हैं इराक के खौफजदा यजदी नागरिक, मोदी से मिलकर लगाएंगे गुहार

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Singha » 08 Sep 2014 20:19

I am not joking but airstrike in mosul killed a top aide of Baghdadi named abu hajar al suari

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Philip » 09 Sep 2014 08:41

I've said it before.We need to erect a "Great Wall" or "Fence" between Pak and us.The two words really mean a secure boundary/border,with the lot.minefields,,etc.,and keep out the ungodly hordes physically.Apart from that is the insidious manner in which the Net and social media is being used to lure INdian Muslims on the path of jihad. THis requires a concerted cyberwarfare campaign for the same.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby TSJones » 09 Sep 2014 08:44

Singha wrote:I am not joking but airstrike in mosul killed a top aide of Baghdadi named abu hajar al suari


Actually we were just trying to thin the herd. It was nothing personal.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Pratyush » 09 Sep 2014 09:29

Singha wrote:I am not joking but airstrike in mosul killed a top aide of Baghdadi named abu hajar al suari


:lol: :P

I went WTF, reading that.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby deejay » 09 Sep 2014 10:46

Pratyush wrote:
Singha wrote:I am not joking but airstrike in mosul killed a top aide of Baghdadi named abu hajar al suari


:lol: :P

I went WTF, reading that.



:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Singha Saar! you found the one! Cheers.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Singha » 09 Sep 2014 10:53

http://www.timesofisrael.com/senior-isl ... -in-mosul/

TSJ, Hajar = 1000 , Suar=Pig (suari might mean pig rearer or piggy).....so the name is funny in that context.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Pratyush » 09 Sep 2014 13:56

Confront Islamic State militarily, politically: Arab League head issues call to arms

Will the light greens have a chance against the dark green. Or as it has happened countless times in the past. The dark greens will win over the light greens.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby merlin » 09 Sep 2014 14:54

Pratyush wrote:Confront Islamic State militarily, politically: Arab League head issues call to arms

Will the light greens have a chance against the dark green. Or as it has happened countless times in the past. The dark greens will win over the light greens.


More like light greens will turn dark green.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby abhik » 09 Sep 2014 17:19

Its green vs black I think.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Austin » 09 Sep 2014 17:31

Syrian Mi-8 was destroyed by militants using ATGM "Kornet-E"


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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby anmol » 10 Sep 2014 04:14

Could IS Bring Russia and the U.S. Together?
by Roland Dannreuther, themoscowtimes.com
September 9th 2014 4:56 PM

The start of a fragile cease-fire in Ukraine opens up the potential for some limitation of the dangerous escalation in tensions between Russia and the West. Yet even as U.S. President Barack Obama is directly accusing Russia of intervention in support of the separatists in eastern Ukraine, the meteoric rise of the Islamic State (IS) in the Middle East presents a serious threat to both countries.

The U.S. and Russia have been equally committed and determined to counter militant Islamist terrorism; both have been directly threatened by the group; both have an interest in a sovereign and unified Iraq; and there are growing voices in Washington suggesting that an accommodation with the Syrian regime of Bashar Assad will be needed if IS is to be repelled.

Unsurprisingly, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has enthusiastically supported any potential favorable U.S. shift toward the Syrian regime.

Might Russia again play the role of interlocutor and mediator for Washington in the Middle East? The resonance here is with the deal struck by Russia in September last year over the elimination of Syria's chemical weapons stock.

The political context then in terms of U.S.-Russian relations had some similarities to the current situation. U.S.-Russian relations were similarly at a low ebb as there was a fundamental difference of opinion about what should be done about the Assad regime.

The U.S. demanded Assad's unconditional removal, while Russia insisted that this could not be a pre-condition for a resolution of the crisis. Both countries blamed the other for the intensity and bloodshed of the Syrian civil war. Russia argued that U.S. policy had only radicalized the opposition, breeding new extremist Islamist groups. The U.S. blamed Russia for undermining the moderate claims of the opposition through its unbending support for the criminal Syrian regime.

However, in the end, a convergence of interests between Russia and the U.S. emerged. As Obama faced the prospect of being compelled to intervene militarily — an extremely unattractive prospect — Russia offered a way out; securing the commitment of the Syrian regime to dismantle all of its chemical weapons.

Having engineered this diplomatic coup, Russia then made sure it was true to its word and, a year later, almost all of Syria's chemical weapons have been destroyed. The Russian leadership was also careful not to use this diplomatic gain to 'humiliate' the U.S. This restraint meant that there was a chance that this could have been the foundation for a pragmatic improvement in relations between the two countries.

The crisis in Ukraine extinguished any such hopes. Hawks on both sides have heralded a return to Cold War confrontation and zero-sum competition. Both countries have seen in Ukraine the crossing of 'red lines' that cannot be accepted.

The red line for Russia was the move toward the U.S. and the imposition of a pro-Western 'democracy' in a country directly neighboring Russia. For the U.S., the Russian annexation of Crimea undermined the post-Cold War European agreement to respect the new European territorial boundaries.

The question is, thus, whether the current state of U.S.-Russian relations is at such a depressed and destructive level that no real cooperation is possible, even in other less politically contested regions of the world. Clearly, the answer to this question depends significantly on what happens in Ukraine.

The resolve to impose a cease-fire on the pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine suggests that President Vladimir Putin might not see escalation as the only way to resolve the crisis in Ukraine in Russia's favor. The historic record of Putin's period at the apex of Russian power has been a pattern of oscillation between an ambition for improving relations with the West and a subsequent disillusionment and deterioration in such relations, leading again to an attempted renewal or 'resetting' of those relations.

It cannot be excluded that the cycles might move again and U.S.-Russian relations will start to be mended by the cease-fire in Ukraine.

In this scenario, the Middle East actually offers many areas for mutual cooperation. It is not like the Cold War period when the U.S. and Soviet Union ritualistically supported different camps in the region.

Nowadays, the U.S. and Russia have a common strategic interest in combatting international terrorism, the reason being that this represents a serious threats to the citizens of both countries, as seen in the recent threats from IS to Russia following those to the U.S.

While the US suffered from the terrorist attacks of 9/11, Russia has had to endure numerous terrorist attacks, mainly emanating from the Islamist insurgency in the North Caucasus. For both countries, there is a shared sense of the gravity of the threat of international terrorism to their core national interests.

For these reasons, the U.S. and Russia view IS as a common enemy. As the apocalyptic language emanating out of Washington demonstrates, the U.S. actually views the threat from IS as strategically more important than that of Ukraine in the sense that direct national interests are involved.

For the American public, Ukraine appears as an obscure conflict in a distant land, while the execution of American journalist James Foley by IS has a shocking immediacy. If the conflict in Iraq and Syria escalates, and the U.S. becomes more involved, it might very well be that the Ukrainian conflict becomes marginalized. And any Russian support in the battle against IS, undoubtedly of a more indirect nature, would be welcomed by Washington.

If one looks at the Middle East more broadly, Russian and U.S. interests are actually closer than often suggested. Although there has been continued disagreement about Iran, both Russia and the U.S. are committed to seeing that Iran does not obtain nuclear weapons and the U.S. posture toward Iran has moved closer to that of Russia.

With the escalation of the crisis in Iraq, Russia can potentially play an important role in facilitating the coordination between Iran, the Iraqi government and Syria, which will be critical if IS is to be defeated.

Russia is also no longer the unconditional supporter for radical forces in the Middle East. Russia's major economic partners in the region are Turkey and Israel, and the economic and cultural links between Russia and Israel have never been stronger.

In fact, it could be argued that it is Russia which is the more conservative force supporting the regional status quo, while it is the U.S. which is the more radical actor seeking to overturn the regional order. Obama's much more realist and non-interventionist convictions actually represent a shift toward the Russian position.

There is, therefore, considerable potential for Russia and the U.S. to work together in the Middle East. However, this is clearly conditional on no further escalation in Ukraine. In that context, the likelihood is for conflict and confrontation to extend to other parts of the world, including the Middle East, even when in practice there is such mutual interest for cooperation.

Roland Dannreuther is professor of International Relations at the University of Westminster, London.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Philip » 10 Sep 2014 06:16

The whole problem is loss of face for the US.They simply can't stomach the jibes from the international community about their impotence and that of their leader,O'Bumbler.beating the retreat everywhere around the globe,ineffective mil. action despite boots on the ground,planes in the air,drone strikes,carrier forces,et al.The result,still the same.A US defeat.Therefore the rush of blood to the head over the UKR where the "old enemy",Russia,can be made yet again the bogeyman.All that is needed is to dust off the files of the Cold War and repeat the strategy and tactics.

Well,that's what the US/West think,barring a few more intelligent nations like Germany.The world however has long since changed since the CW days.There are new powerful players on the scene like China,the BRICS group and SCO.The excess wealth of the oil potentates has seen them punch above their weight and interfere through proxies like ISIS and other jihadi groups,in the affairs of their fellow Muslim neighbours.The are both the cause and solution to the problem.But the solution is becoming more difficult by the day to find as their proxies now want to become nation states of their own and threaten their very own "founding fathers". With Russia,China and Iran firmly behind Syria,and with their own strategy in acute disarray,the US,West and fellow travellers in the ME ,have their work really cut out to stop IS.Only a joint concerted military action can now stop IS. "You sow the wind,reap the whirlwind". Just as the Pakis are finding out after their adventure in Afghanistan under Gen.Zia and their godfathers of the West and rich Uncle Sam.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby chanakyaa » 10 Sep 2014 07:15

Philipji, India still can't get oil and gas pipeline from ME or CAR to its doorsteps, due to Afg/Pak or whatever. Whether it is a direct intended effect or side effect of outsider's Afg/Pak policy, India continues to suffer. Isn't it a successful outcome for outsiders?


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Postby deejay » 10 Sep 2014 11:57

udaym wrote:Philipji, India still can't get oil and gas pipeline from ME or CAR to its doorsteps, due to Afg/Pak or whatever. Whether it is a direct intended effect or side effect of outsider's Afg/Pak policy, India continues to suffer. Isn't it a successful outcome for outsiders?


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INteresting link udaym ji. China is truly spreading its wings.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby vishvak » 10 Sep 2014 19:58

abhik wrote:Its green vs black I think.

So what happens when black is vanquished? Gentiles' burden is to tolerate this kill black else kill less green routine.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby pankajs » 10 Sep 2014 20:19

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/10/polit ... index.html

Obama is open to airstrikes against ISIS in Syria
The President has already asked Congress for the authority to arm and train moderate Syrian rebels to fight ISIS, administration and congressional sources told CNN. Obama is seeking the authority under Title 10 of U.S. Code, which deals with military powers. His request was sent soon after he met with Congressional leadership Tuesday night.

The authority, if granted, would allow the U.S. to accept money from other countries as well for this purpose.

The same moderates who sold the recently executed US journo to ISIS!!

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Madhusudhan » 10 Sep 2014 20:39

Being a moderate rebel is like being slightly pregnant.

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Postby rsingh » 10 Sep 2014 20:48

Madhusudhan wrote:Being a moderate rebel is like being slightly pregnant.


wah wah. Very well said.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Victor » 10 Sep 2014 22:12

It looks increasingly like a Sunni army is being created to "fight ISIS" inside Syria with US funds, arms and air cover. The major goal is to overthrow Assad and get the Mosul area oilfields occupied by Iraqi Sunnis, including the Kurds, a partition of sorts. As usual for these inbred morons, the Syrian "moderate rebels" will turn dark green and go kookoo after the first whiff of "victory" ala Taliban and then get grandiose visions ala Al keeda.

Wonder what Putin will do with this threat to Russia's influence in Syria and the direct ISIS threat? Notice that the coalition of the willing is bypassing the UN. This is a recipe for disaster and will lead to a law of the jungle type scenario where the strongest will force their diktat on everyone else.

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Postby A_Gupta » 10 Sep 2014 22:25

ISIS' strategy book: “The Management Of Savagery”
http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/09/ ... the-quran/

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby ramana » 10 Sep 2014 22:30

A_Gupta wrote:ISIS' strategy book: “The Management Of Savagery”
http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/09/ ... the-quran/



It could be a Paki/chefs nom-de-plume to egg on the jihadists.

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Postby Prem » 11 Sep 2014 02:39

http://www.washingtonpost.com/postevery ... i-escaped/
I am a 14-year-old Yazidi girl given as a gift to an ISIS commander. Here’s how I escaped.

One day, our guards separated the married from unmarried women. My good childhood friend Shayma and I were given as a gift to two Islamic State members from the south, near Baghdad. They wanted to make us their wives or concubines. Shayma was awarded to Abu Hussein, who was a cleric. I was given to an overweight, dark-bearded man about 50 years old who seemed to have some high rank. He went by the nickname Abu Ahmed. They drove us down to their home in Fallujah. On the road, we saw many Islamic State fighters and remnants of their battles.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Abhijit » 11 Sep 2014 03:21

Earth: Will nobody rid me of this troublesome virus?

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby ramana » 11 Sep 2014 04:09

Abhijit wrote:Earth: Will nobody rid me of this troublesome virus?



There was an NPR report about an Orthodox Jewish group immigrating to Guatemala. Men in beards and dark robes and burkha covered women and how they disturb the local culture and traditions by preaching their ideas to locals!

As we said many times the problem goes back to old Abe and his Covenant with Yahweh and its different iterations.
Its essentially a political cult that hides as religion.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Dipanker » 11 Sep 2014 05:19

Yet another example of US Deep State in action, certainly can't be attributed to vision-less O' Bummer.

Notice also the sanitized title by NYT, (which I have modified to convey the actual news).

Saudi Arabia Will Grant U.S. Request to provide bases to train moderate Syrian opposition fighters, American officials said on Wednesday.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Philip » 11 Sep 2014 06:53

O'Bomber,aka O'Bumbler,talks first shoots later (we hope!)
http://www.theguardian.com/uk
Obama announces air strikes against Isis in Syria

President says in speech that US will target Islamic State militants in Syria for first time
Live Obama makes Isis speech
Barack Obama's address on Isis: full text
How Obama can defeat Isis
Debate: should UK join air strikes to combat Isis?
Shoot first, ask Congress later

Analysis: for expanded Isis strikes, US president relies on legal authority he disavowed only a year ago

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Arjun » 11 Sep 2014 07:26

ramana wrote:There was an NPR report about an Orthodox Jewish group immigrating to Guatemala. Men in beards and dark robes and burkha covered women and how they disturb the local culture and traditions by preaching their ideas to locals!

Jews and burkha ?! I was certain you were mistaken until I read up about the Haredi burkha sect.

As we said many times the problem goes back to old Abe and his Covenant with Yahweh and its different iterations.
Its essentially a political cult that hides as religion

Each iteration has been worse than the previous. In that sense, the original actually remains one that Indics can work well with since it don't seek to infect others - but that's not the case with its successors.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Postby Dipanker » 11 Sep 2014 07:44

I fail to understand one thing, how in the world Al-Qaeda terrorists fighting against Syria are called "moderate" ? And how exactly a "moderate" fighter fights? Does he fight in "moderation"? Because if they are fierce fighters, then by no stretch of imagination they can be called "moderates"! BTW if tomorrow ISIS stops beheading captured American journalists and starts fighting Assad's forces, then they will automatically be re-classified as "moderate"!

What is next? "Peace loving fighters" perhaps!


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