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Saudis to go nuclear shortly?

The foll. statement from the Saudis appears to be the "excuse" that they require to announce their nuclear capability (via Pakistan),which they've covertly developed with Pak over decades. The Paki arsenal is supposed to consist of a certain number for the Saudis,explaining why the Paki N-warhead manufacture is galloping along,with Pak having more warheads than India. The extras if meant for the Saudis explains the situ better.Testing of a Saudi nuke could be in the near future.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 04968.html
Saudi Arabia 'could go nuclear' unless Iran talks lead to 'watertight' agreement warns ambassador
Prince Mohammed bin Nawwaf praises diplomatic efforts but says his country needs guarantees on Tehran's nuclear ambitions

Alexander Sehmer
Monday 08 June 2015

Separately in Vienna, the head of the UN's nuclear watchdog said the agency would be better able to provide "credible assurances" on any possible military dimension of Iran's nuclear programme if a preliminary deal agreed with Iran is implemented.

As part of the initial deal reached in April in Switzerland, Iran was to implement a so-called Additional Protocol that would give the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) more intrusive access to facilities in Iran.

P5+1 talks Iran and the P5+1 are attempting to reach a final agreement ahead of a 30 June deadline (Getty) "Implementation by Iran of the Additional Protocol will ... significantly increase the Agency's ability to provide credible assurance about the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities in [Iran]," Yukiya Amano, the IAEA chief, said on Monday, according to the text of his speech.

The IAEA investigation into Iran's past nuclear activity is technically separate from the nuclear talks.

The comments mark the first time Amano has expressly linked the two.

(Additional reporting by agencies)
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Havent they gone nuclear already? All this talk about a possibility of going for a nuclear option seems so nu-clear un-clear.
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Israel is worried about Iranian nukes, so is Europe and the US. Now we have the Saudi's openly alluding to acquiring nukes from Pakistan (where else). Is the West really going to allow Packees to transfer nukes to Saudi Arabia, a country teeming with jihadi gandoos?

Would Israel allow Saudi jihadi gandoos to acquire nukes? They would take a huge risk, and for what purpose?
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So Israel has nukes. KSA has nukes. So only ones left are Iran.

Israel and KSA are in informal alliance with US backing.

Sort of bilateral ties.
US-Israel and US-KSA.
Now US wants US-Iran

Iran wants nuke sanctions removed to enable US-Iran bilateral.

Hence Burnol or in Americanese Preparation H moment.
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So the expectation is that Iran and KSA will actually view nukes as deterrents than usable weapons? That is a stretch -- arming religious zealots on all sides with nukes. What can possibly go wrong?
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Tuvaluan wrote:So the expectation is that Iran and KSA will actually view nukes as deterrents than usable weapons? That is a stretch -- arming religious zealots on all sides with nukes. What can possibly go wrong?

Given the record of sole Islamic nuke nation, Iran & KSA will definitely use terrorists to kill terrorists protected by nuke umbrella.
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Israel and Saudi Arabia may be in an alliance against Iran/the Shia's (with the US acting as a go-between), but I doubt that either the Israeli's or the Americans would be comfortable with Saudi's having a nuclear weapons capability. This would be a bridge too far. Israel takes security (survival) very seriously. So, no nukes for the Saudi's.


Iran issues warning over Yemen air strikes

United Nations (United States) (AFP) - Iran has told the UN Security Council that Saudi-led air strikes have twice hit close to its embassy in Yemen and warned of "serious consequences" if more such bombings occur.

Iran's ambassador to the United Nations Gholamali Khoshroo said in a letter released Tuesday that the embassy in Sanaa suffered severe damage during air strikes on May 25 and that this followed a similar attack on April 20.

"I would like to warn that a repetition of similar air strikes close to my country’s diplomatic representation in the future can have serious consequences, including for the safety and security of Iranian diplomats in Sanaa," Khoshroo wrote in the letter to the 15-member council.

http://news.yahoo.com/iran-issues-warni ... 44460.html
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RamaY wrote: Given the record of sole Islamic nuke nation, Iran & KSA will definitely use terrorists to kill terrorists protected by nuke umbrella.
I am questioning whether the Saudis have any understanding of what deterrence really means, especially if the Saudi Royal family goes down the tubes down the line and KSA becomes "democratic" and is ruled by the ISIS types. Iran's sabre-rattling against Israel under ahmedinejad raises similar questions about Iran. What is to stop some islamist wackjob in charge of these countries actually defending islam's honour by using a nuclear weapon? It is not like these barbaric, bigoted morons have shown any sense in their behaviour until now.
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BTW Erdogan in Turkey didn't get a majority in the present general election. A pro LGBT, pro wimmen rights, pro Kurdish party has become the second largest party this time. Shows Unkil's power in effecting color revolutions even now in Turkey.
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I thought the CHP won the 2nd best and aren't they more centre-left than liberal / pro Kurdish etc?

Yes, the Kurdish part also won along with a far right but they are at joint tied 3rd place.

It does speak a bit about US intervention though. Funny, if Erdogan had tried to ballot stuff, he will have been called out. If he didn't, he ends up this way [or he did it quite lightly to end up this way]. Whichever way, a 10yr rule is being challenged... but the last few years of his intransigence has been priced in in this elections (and delivered cold) too.
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I would say Nukes in KSA or Iran hands are no more dangerous than in Paki hands. It is logical to expect a disaster will happen since USA and China have decided to arm TSP with Nukes, Delivery platforms and military platforms to defend these.

Unless the smart as**** in SD and Beijing decide to do a U turn on this, it is only a matter of time before this bites them at the wrong place.
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I consider the Turkish election results as a major setback. Under Erdogan, Turkey was steadily moving towards being a more (openly) Islamic society.
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I would say Nukes in KSA or Iran hands are no more dangerous than in Paki hands. It is logical to expect a disaster will happen since USA and China have decided to arm TSP with Nukes, Delivery platforms and military platforms to defend these.
Packee nukes are for India only, to be used against India only. Saudi nukes could hit Iran, Israel, Europe or even the US. The Israeli's and Americans would sooner trust a group of monkeys with nukes than the Saudi jihadi gandoos.
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X-posting
vijaykarthik wrote:One more good article from ZH this time:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-1 ... m-german-b
How is it even possible for the world to move constructively forward, in this environment, of severe censorship, in the media, in academia, and throughout ‘the free world’? Why is there no outrage that the Saudi and other Arabic royals fund islamic jihad (so long as it’s not in their own countries) but America instead demonizes Russia’s leaders, who consistently oppose jihadists and jihadism? Why are America’s rulers allied with the top financiers of jihad? Why is that being kept so secret? Why are these injustices tolerated by the public? Who will change this, and how? When will that desperately needed change even start? Will it start soon enough? Maybe WW III won’t occur, but the damages are already horrible, and they’re getting worse. This can go on until the end; and, if it does, that end will make horrible look like heaven, by comparison. It would be worse than anything ever known — and it could happen in and to our generation.
As speculated, the USA is behind ISIS and its financiers every step of the way including providing arms and weapons -- ISIS's banks are the new BCCI. This should have been obvious the day they started arming the funding the "syrian rebels" who are the same as ISIS. The USA is on the side of the islamic jihadis, whether in KSA, Pakistan or Bangladesh -- this is old news, but bears repeating.


USA made a show of sending 450 soldiers to Iraq -- question is whether they will support the ISIS or iraqis when the shooting starts...either is equally likely.
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Tuvaluan wrote:X-posting


How is it even possible for the world to move constructively forward, in this environment, of severe censorship, in the media, in academia, and throughout ‘the free world’? Why is there no outrage that the Saudi and other Arabic royals fund islamic jihad (so long as it’s not in their own countries) but America instead demonizes Russia’s leaders, who consistently oppose jihadists and jihadism? Why are America’s rulers allied with the top financiers of jihad? Why is that being kept so secret? Why are these injustices tolerated by the public? Who will change this, and how? When will that desperately needed change even start? Will it start soon enough? Maybe WW III won’t occur, but the damages are already horrible, and they’re getting worse. This can go on until the end; and, if it does, that end will make horrible look like heaven, by comparison. It would be worse than anything ever known — and it could happen in and to our generation.



As speculated, the USA is behind ISIS and its financiers every step of the way including providing arms and weapons -- ISIS's banks are the new BCCI. This should have been obvious the day they started arming the funding the "syrian rebels" who are the same as ISIS. The USA is on the side of the islamic jihadis, whether in KSA, Pakistan or Bangladesh -- this is old news, but bears repeating.


USA made a show of sending 450 soldiers to Iraq -- question is whether they will support the ISIS or iraqis when the shooting starts...either is equally likely.

Take the tin foil hat off
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Take the tin foil hat off
Most of those bolded parts are valid questions going by available evidence. The syrian rebels seems to the same or allied with ISIS and the ISIS is able to work unhindered in the region, operate their own banks, sell oil in the international market, and none of the countries in the region have any inclincation to go after them. So we can start pretending this all tin foil material once you put to evidence to counter the above facts. A lot of what is stated in the zero hedge article is supported by facts, and nowhere near CT-land.
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Syrian civil war: Can Assad's regime survive the onslaught from Isis and Jabhat al-Nusra?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 17350.html
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It’s a dangerous equation in the Syrian war that the further you are from Damascus, the more Bashar al-Assad’s regime seems doomed. And the more you drive around the vast area still held by government forces – and I’ve just completed around 1,100 miles of mountains, desert and battle fronts – the more you realise that the war will go on. And on. And that the Syrian army, outgunned and at times frighteningly outnumbered by its Islamist enemies, is not about to collapse.



But here are a few grim facts. Isis and Jabhat al-Nusra are now attacking the Syrian military in rows of suicide trucks, and along fronts so wide that the army often doesn’t have the manpower to withstand them. Rebel logistics are hi-tech and better than the Syrian army’s, and a lot of their communications systems are American. The insurgents have hundreds of anti-armour wire-guided TOW and Milan anti-tank missiles and can afford to fire three – even four – rockets at a single Syrian tank, knocking out its fire-control circuits so that its ammunition explodes and its soldiers are burnt to death.

At Palmyra, in Homs province, between 1,800 and 2,000 Isis fighters were confronted by an army which could not withstand their constant attacks. In the two days before they retreated, Syrian troops smashed their way briefly into forward Isis positions, only to discover piles of “tactical vests” – advanced body armour – thermal missiles, stacks of Muslim prayer books in Russian (apparently belonging to Chechen fighters), enough sidearm ordnance for each rebel to carry 10,000 rounds of ammunition each, and stacks of Snickers chocolate bars. Even Isis, it seems, marches on its stomach.
excerpts from the deputy foreign minister of Syria Dr Mekdad
Visiting Dr Mekdad is a bit like going to the dentist. It can be very painful – but you feel better afterwards. Or at least for a while. “It is our right to have anyone fight for us,” he says. “Whoever is ready to come and help us is welcome... The other party is a party of terrorists, and now we have every credible information that the French and the British will go to the EU and say that the Nusra Front is a ‘moderate’ group – they will try to rehabilitate Nusra, even though Nusra is a part of al-Qaeda...

“Of course, losing any small village is a big loss for us. Every square inch of Syria is important to us. But Aleppo is the second major city of Syria and losing it would be a big loss. But we have never – ever – in our [cabinet] meetings doubted that we will hold it. All our strategic planning now is to keep the way open to Aleppo, to allow our forces to defend it.”
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http://swarajyamag.com/world/cold-turke ... r-erdogan/

Not as bad an outcome for Erdogan as seems at first sight
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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 18348.html
Patrick Cockburn
Sunday 14 June 2015

Syrian civil war: Jabhat al-Nusra's massacre of Druze villagers shows the group is just as nasty as Isis
The incident last week suggests that the US have let the al-Qaeda affiliate off lightly
Last week fighters from Jabhat al-Nusra, the al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria, entered a village in Idlib province in the north-west of the country and shot dead at least 20 villagers from the Druze community. They had earlier forcibly converted hundreds of Druze to their fundamentalist variant of Sunni Islam.

The incident happened in the Druze village of Qalb Lawzeh in the Jabal al-Summaq region, a place where al-Nusra fighters have dug up historic graves and destroyed shrines in recent months, according to the pro-opposition Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. It says Nusra first tried to confiscate the house of a Druze government official and shot one villager dead. Another villager then seized a fighter’s weapon and killed him. Nusra then sent reinforcements into the village and they opened fire.

It was just one more massacre in a land that has seen thousands of atrocities by government and rebels over the past four years. But what gives the Qalb Lawzeh killings peculiar significance is that they happened at a moment when Nusra, and the rebel coalition it leads, had inflicted a series of defeats on the Syrian army in the north, leading to speculation that the regime of President Bashar al-Assad might be starting to crumble under multiple pressures. It has recently lost Idlib province in the north, Palmyra in the east, and is on the retreat in the south.

Al-Nusra and its supporters wishes to rebrand itself as a completely different and more moderate entity than Islamic State (Rex) Al-Nusra and its supporters wishes to rebrand itself as a completely different and more moderate entity than Islamic State (Rex)

A reason why Nusra and Ahrar al-Sham, another hard-line jihadi group, were able to break the military stalemate is the greater support they are getting from Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Since succeeding to the throne in January, Saudi King Salman, along with other Sunni leaders, has pursued a more aggressive policy in backing extreme jihadi rebels in Syria.

Alongside this military offensive is an effort by Nusra and its supporters to rebrand itself as a completely different and more moderate entity than Islamic State (Isis). This is not easy to do. Nusra was created by Isis in 2012 and split from it in 2013, since when the two movements have been fierce rivals who share the same fanatical beliefs and hatreds. The US regards both as terrorist organisations and periodically bombs Nusra, though not with the same intensity as it attacks Isis. The Saudis and the others are not looking for the US to end its hostility to Nusra, but they do want Washington to continue to turn a blind eye to support for it from America’s main Sunni allies.

The rebranding of Nusra is being energetically pursued. A dramatic if somewhat ludicrous episode in this campaign was a 47-minute interview with Abu Mohammed al-Golani, the leader of al-Nusra, broadcast by Al Jazeera television network on 27 May. Golani was to demonstrate to a Syrian and international audience how much more reasonable and less murderous his organisation was compared with Isis when it came to Syria’s minorities and to stress that it would not be launching terrorist operations against western targets.

The interview did not entirely succeed in conveying a comforting sense of restraint and moderation. This is not because Golani came under much pressure from the sympathetic Al Jazeera interviewer. “It was not Frost/Nixon, more like a high-school date,” says the Syria expert Aron Lund, editor of Syria in Crisis, in the online newsletter Syria Comment. The softball approach, he says, “may well have been intentional. Many assume that Qatar, which owns and controls Al Jazeera, is eager to see the group show its gentler side, now that it and other rebels are capturing territory in north-western Syria.”

Read more: • At least 20 Druze killed by al-Nusra fighters
• Can Assad survive the onslaught from Isis and Jabhat al-Nusra?
• Syria's al-Nusra Front has no plans to attack the West

Golani expressed his new-found moderation by saying that it would be safe for a member of the Allawite sect – to which President Assad and much of Syria’s ruling elite belong – to surrender to Nusra fighters “even if he killed a thousand of us”. But any Allawite considering taking advantage of Golami’s kind offer must meet certain conditions. They must not only stop supporting Assad, but they must convert to Nusra’s brand of extreme Sunni Islam or, in other words, stop being Allawites. Christians will be given a grace period before they have to start pay jizya, a special tax, and Golani takes for granted that Sharia will be implemented. “The basics remain the same,” says Lund, “and they’re extreme enough to be borderline genocidal even when sugar-coated by Al Jazeera.”

What gives this interview such significance is that Golani leads a movement which might, if the Assad regime falls, form part of Syria’s next government. Assad’s military opposition is dominated by Isis in the east, holding half the country, and Nusra, leading a coalition of al-Qaeda type jihadis in the north and centre.

“We have to deal with reality as it is,” said Robert Ford, the former US ambassador to Syria in an interview with Hannah Allam of McClatchy news service earlier this year. “The people we have backed [moderate Syrian rebels] have not been strong enough to hold their ground against the Nusra Front.”

The provincial capital of Idlib, Syria, which fell to al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra in April The provincial capital of Idlib, Syria, which fell to al-Qaeda affiliate Jabhat al-Nusra in April (Reuters)

What made Mr Ford’s assertion that Nusra dominated the non-Isis armed opposition so shocking for many was that he was the man who had resigned from the US government, accusing it of not giving enough support to the moderate rebels. Not so long ago he had been maintaining that the moderates were still a real force. But now Mr Ford was quoted as complaining that the rebels, as well as their patrons in Turkey and Qatar, were legitimising Nusra as an integral part of the anti-Assad opposition when, in reality, it was the same as Isis. “Nusra Front is just as dangerous, and yet they keep pretending they’re nice guys, they’re Syrians,” he said. Another problem was that weapons supplied by the US to more moderate groups were ending up in the hands of Nusra.

It is not just that Nusra is sectarian, violent and true to its al-Qaeda roots. Its presence at the heart of the armed opposition gives the rebels greater military strength, but politically it is a tremendous liability.

Mr Ford defends the moderates, saying that their alliance with Nusra is only tactical and the result of their weakness and disunity. But in a further interview with Middle East Monitor, Mr Ford makes an important point, warning that “with this cooperation [between moderates and Nusra], they have made it impossible to get a negotiated political deal, because the people in the regime who do not like Assad, and there are lots who don’t like Assad, look at the opposition and say we cannot negotiate with an opposition that supports Nusra”.

The presence of Nusra prevents any chance of a negotiated settlement, but will not be enough to win an outright military victory. Syria is being torn apart by a genuine civil war in which neither side can afford to let the other win. Members of the regime in Damascus know that getting rid of Assad is not going to do them any good and, if they lose, they may well end up dead, like the Druze villagers of Qalb Lawzeh.
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COLUMN-Softly, softly, India's influence rises in crude oil: Russell
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/ ... AB20150615
LAUNCESTON, Australia, June 15 (Reuters) - Almost unnoticed, India is starting to exercise increasing influence on crude oil markets in Asia.

The South Asian nation has doubled imports to almost 4 million barrels per day (bpd) in the past decade, in the process overtaking Japan, Germany and South Korea to become the world's third-biggest importer behind China and the United States.

Its importance to the outlook for crude oil over the next decade becomes even more apparent in the light of slowing demand growth in China, the likelihood of at best steady consumption in much of the developed world and declining demand in Japan.

Two recent events underscored the importance that India is assuming in Asian crude oil markets: the visit by a senior official of Saudi Arabia's state oil giant and talks between Indian refiners and Iraq over filling strategic storage.

The main news from the visit of Ahmed Al-Subaey, Saudi Aramco's executive director for marketing, to New Delhi last week was that the kingdom is ready to boost output in coming months to meet rising global demand.

That was information useful to market players, but what wasn't discussed in public was what the Aramco executive was talking about with the Indian oil officials he met.

It doesn't require much imagination to conclude that the Saudis are interested in expanding their relationship with India, given it is becoming the main driver of crude demand growth in Asia, something Al-Subaey acknowledged.
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Saudi Arabia, Russia sign nuclear power cooperation deal
KHOBAR: Saudi Arabia and Russia have signed an agreement to cooperate on nuclear energy development, a Saudi government body in charge of such projects said.
The Saudi atomic and renewable energy body has already signed nuclear cooperation deals with countries able to build reactors, including the United States, France, Russia, South Korea, China and Argentina.

It is not clear if this new deal, announced on Thursday, will take cooperation with Russia to a more advanced level.


Comment: Could be a bargaining chip with Uncle in light of the coming Iran - US nuclear deal ; And it could be a 'punishment signal' to Pakistan in light of their recent let down by not sending troops to Yemen.
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How Israel is secretly helping Jabhat al-Nusra.......

http://www.newsweek.com/israel-secret-w ... 33?ref=yfp


It just reconfirms the understanding how the jewish state is pampering the blood-thirsty,
fanatic Islamic jihadi terrorists. Strange bedfellows.....
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Falijee wrote:Saudi Arabia, Russia sign nuclear power cooperation deal
KHOBAR: Saudi Arabia and Russia have signed an agreement to cooperate on nuclear energy development, a Saudi government body in charge of such projects said.ooperation deals with countries able to build reactors, including the United States, France, Russia, South Korea, China and Argentina.Comment: Could be a bargaining chip with Uncle in light of the coming Iran - US nuclear deal ; And it could be a 'punishment signal' to Pakistan in light of their recent let down by not sending troops to Yemen.
Saudi plan to have 19 nuclear reactors and like India signing deals with many countries. India too should extend helping hand to get inside peek in Saudi thinking and isolate pakistan.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... -own-ships
Saudis Said to Discuss Sweetening India Oil Deals With Own Ships
Saudi Arabia is said to be in talks with Indian oil buyers to ship crude on the Middle East supplier’s own tankers, potentially cutting the cost of cargoes.While the world’s biggest crude exporter won’t offer to sell its crude at a discount to its official selling price, it may pass on the benefit of lower shipping costs, four people with knowledge of the matter said, asking not to be identified because the talks are confidential. The use of vessels owned by Saudi Arabia may reduce the cost of its supplies by 25 to 30 cents a barrel, two officials at two Indian refiners said.OPEC’s biggest member is seeking to defend market share amid competition from other suppliers and as refiners across Asia look for bargains from Europe to Mexico. Producers are vying for sales as a global glut is exacerbated by the highest U.S. output in more than three decades and as the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries pumps at the fastest pace since 2012.
“Everybody is trying to capture market share,” Ehsan Ul-Haq, an analyst at KBC Energy Economics in London, said by phone. “One of the things the Saudis can do is to provide better freight in order to somehow influence refiners to take more crude from them.”State-run Saudi Arabian Oil Co.’s press office didn’t respond to an e-mail seeking comment. Mattu J.P. Singh, a New Delhi-based spokeswoman for India’s oil ministry, declined to comment.Saudi Arabia may sell its supply to India on a delivered basis, meaning shipping costs are included in the price paid by the buyer for the cargo, the people said. The Middle East nation typically sells its crude on a free-on-board basis, where the buyer arranges freight.The two sides are still discussing the plan, which would need government approval, said the people. Saudi Aramco, as the state oil company is known, sells its crude to Asia at a monthly differential to the average of the Dubai and Oman grades.“The main obstacle for Saudi Aramco is that it issues its OSPs before others in the region so no matter what discount it gives others can always sell at lower prices,” said Kamel al-Harami, an independent industry analyst and former chief executive officer of Kuwait Petroleum International. “The only way to fix this situation is by giving sweeteners or indirect discounts such as crude delivery to customers.”Saudi Arabia is leading OPEC’s policy of maintaining output, aimed at keeping market share and forcing other higher-cost producers including U.S. shale companies to slow drilling activity.Its strategy seems to be working in some Asian nations. South Korea bought a record amount of Saudi crude last month, and the Middle East has held on its rank as the biggest supplier to China, the world’s second-largest oil user.“India is one of the spaces where the Saudis haven’t made a big push yet,” said Amrita Sen, a London-based analyst with Energy Aspects Ltd. “I think this is one of the ways by which they can make a big push.”
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Saudi Women On The Attack at Geneva Peace Talk
Houthi delegate Hamza al-Houthi was delivering his address to the assembled media when one of the Hadi delegates (hired by Saudis )rushed the stage and threw a shoe at him. Shoes started flying back and forth, despite Houthi’s attempt to keep talking and ignore the disruption, and before long fistfights :D were reported between the two factions.
This attack was initiated by "Zekra Alarasi", a Saudi female correspondent, and then 6 other men joined her.
Comment: Now only if they show this kind of assertiveness in their own country, it will be highly appreciated by the 'rest of the world' :!: :rotfl:
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Israel is probably smart enough to know what level of tech to share with the saudis -- Jews are the enemy of Islam and that is not going to change with this new Saudi revelation that they want Israel to be part of the "middle east"...it is already part of the middle east with or without saudi proclamations to that effect.
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Tailor arrested for taking girl's measurements

Social media users say women to be blamed for incident

Manama: Security authorities in Saudi Arabia have arrested a tailor after a video clip showing him taking the measurements of a young woman went viral on the Net, triggering wide condemnation.
Social media users said they understood the motives for the tailor’s arrest after he broke social taboos and regulations.

However, most commenters said the young girl and the older woman with her were to blame for the incident.
Comment: In this day and age of 24-7 media - social media, globalization, how long will they be able to keep their womenfolks 'under wraps'
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Falijee wrote:Saudi Arabia, Russia sign nuclear power cooperation deal

Comment: Could be a bargaining chip with Uncle in light of the coming Iran - US nuclear deal ; And it could be a 'punishment signal' to Pakistan in light of their recent let down by not sending troops to Yemen.
3 years back I argued that India should offer/extend nuclear umbrella to Iran in my blog post.
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Falijee wrote: Comment: In this day and age of 24-7 media - social media, globalization, how long will they be able to keep their womenfolks 'under wraps'
Per reliable sources, infidelity among Arab-women is much much higher than India and even western societies.
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arab culture + islam has been a singular failure in nation building.

some viable nations not held together by bribes to its citizens from oil revenue, is iran and that because its shia ghazihood is a layer on top of a much deeper old zoroasterian civilization.
same goes syria and lebanon - the ancient seafaring and trading phoenician bloodline
perhaps oman too - another ancient trading race not given to pillage and plunder on a seasonal basis.
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WikiLeak Washes Saudi Dirty Linen :D In Public
It seems that everyone wants something from Saudi Arabia.
Before becoming the President of Egypt, Mohammed Morsi wanted visas to take his family on a religious pilgrimage. A Lebanese politician begged for cash to pay his bodyguards. Even the state news agency of Guinea, in West Africa, asked for $2,000 “to solve many of the problems the agency is facing.”
Comment: But then they are a firm believer in cash diplomacy But the recipient has to be aware that there is always a Quid Pro Quo ; as the Pakistanis recently found to their dismay :twisted:
These and other revelations appear in a trove of documents said to have come from inside the Saudi Foreign Affairs Ministry and released on Friday by WikiLeaks.
While the documents appear to contain no shocking revelations about Saudi Arabia, they contain enough detail to shed light on the diplomacy of a deeply private country and to embarrass Saudi officials and those who lobby them for financial aid.
In a statement carried by the Saudi state news agency Saturday, a Foreign Ministry spokesman, Osama Nugali, acknowledged that the documents were related to a recent electronic attack on the ministry. (what a blatant lie !) He warned Saudis not to “help the enemies of the homeland” by sharing the documents, adding that many were “clearly fabricated.” [*][/b]Those who distribute the documents will be punished under the country’s cybercrimes law, he said.
Comment: [*] [/b]Damage Control Activated :D
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Turkey Reacts Angrily to Belgian Prime Minister’s Recognition of Armenian Genocide
ANKARA — Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel’s recognition of the killing of Armenians in the hands of the Ottoman Empire in 1915 as Genocide has “distorted historical facts,” the Turkish Foreign Ministry said June 20 in a statement.
It is high time that other civilized nations, follow Belgium's example and set the historical record straight
On May 29, Mahinur Özdemir, a Brussels regional MP of Turkish origin, was expelled from her party, the Humanist Democratic Center (CHD) after she refused to recognize the 1915 events as “genocide.”
These fifth columnists should be sent packing 'home' ; next thing, they will be advocating 'Sharia Law' :) in Belgium.
For interested Forumites, who want to know more about this genocide, I would refer the following historical fiction by Famous Author, FRANK WERFEL; The Forty Days of Musa Dagh
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Belgium is a fine one to point fingers at Turkey after their depravity and genocide in Belgian Congo around the same time -- "Heart of Darkness", anyone? Irony just checked itself into a facility for better mental health. The only reason that was discovered was because a journalist noticed that belgium was getting richer and richer with apparently no effort or industry visible locally -- all they had to do was slaugher and intimidate the natives of Congo to mine diamonds to be sent back to Belgium.
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Tuvaluan wrote:Belgium is a fine one to point fingers at Turkey after their depravity and genocide in Belgian Congo around the same time -- "Heart of Darkness", anyone? Irony just checked itself into a facility for better mental health. The only reason that was discovered was because a journalist noticed that belgium was getting richer and richer with apparently no effort or industry visible locally -- all they had to do was slaugher and intimidate the natives of Congo to mine diamonds to be sent back to Belgium.

Its like the who far*ed accusation. After killing so many in Congo, Belgium can issue certificates condemning others.

Despite claiming to be Christians, these rascals ignore Jesus dictum "Let them cast stone those who have not sinned!"

Modern Human Rights movement is atonement for past sins by the West.
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Modern Human Rights movement is atonement for past sins by the West.
If only! It is mostly a stick to beat the dog in their foreign policy. The Dutch who consider themselves to be the conscience of humanity, still *can not* admit their crimes in their colonies, what they did in Indonesia before they were forced to leave. If they truly want to 'atone' for their past sins, than they first have to admit to those sins! Of course, what I say of the Dutch is equally true for the other former colonial powers.

Many Europeans do not like immigrants and the Muslim immigrants in particular and they certainly don't want Turkey in the EU. So they officially recognize (push for the recognition of) the Turkish slaughter of a few million Armenians. This naturally leads to protest from Turkey and Turks in the EU (and friction in EU-Turkey relations), and that's exactly what these whites want. They say "Look how fascist the Turks are (which they are), do we need them in the EU?".

Also, the Turks have consciously sought political power in the EU countries they emigrated to, there are many persons of Turkish origin in politics. The recognition of the genocide of Armenians also helps to flush out those with a fascist Turkish nationalist proclivity.

And I agree with Falijee, that more EU countries should officially recognize the genocide of Armenians by the Turks. It's a historic *fact*. I think it's very clever of the Europeans.

The fact that Europeans don't admit to their own crimes is a different matter.
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The recognition of the genocide of Armenians also helps to flush out those with a fascist Turkish nationalist proclivity.
One hint is when they start parading the knights templar and start making plans for the return of the crusades...oh wait, this has already been done by a national political party (Erdogan's party) that has been running turkey for close to a decade. Never mind.
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and now we have suggestions that the turks allowed the ISIS soosai bummers to take the back passage into Kobane to attack a YPF checkpoint
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^ might not be surprising. Erdogan was complaining a few days back about the dangers of allowing the Syrian Kurds gain lots of territory. Erdogan predictably is worried about the Kurdish pop and recently the setback in Turkey where Kurds are the joint 3rd largest party will give him pause too. Lots of thoughts to be processed and the recent success on the tactical battles by YPG means they have a big swathe of contiguous land from Kobane to almost Raqqa in their hand.

Did anyone else see that the YPG is also putting the socialist / communist symbol in their flags? The Rojava region used to do it earlier, IIRC. Now we need to see to what extent Iran will be prepared to shore up Syria and Iraq. That will be the most important factor now that its reasonably clear that KSA, UAE (Egypt?) and Qatar will support the rebels [Al Nusra types] at least in Syria and Turkey and Qatar and a few more will discreetly support the IS in Syria and Iraq. KSA populace will support everyone with goodies, donations and food items.

In the meanwhile we have lots of action in Afghanistan too.
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vijaykarthik wrote:^ might not be surprising. Erdogan was complaining a few days back about the dangers of allowing the Syrian Kurds gain lots of territory. Erdogan predictably is worried about the Kurdish pop and recently the setback in Turkey where Kurds are the joint 3rd largest party will give him pause too. Lots of thoughts to be processed and the recent success on the tactical battles by YPG means they have a big swathe of contiguous land from Kobane to almost Raqqa in their hand.

Did anyone else see that the YPG is also putting the socialist / communist symbol in their flags? The Rojava region used to do it earlier, IIRC. Now we need to see to what extent Iran will be prepared to shore up Syria and Iraq. That will be the most important factor now that its reasonably clear that KSA, UAE (Egypt?) and Qatar will support the rebels [Al Nusra types] at least in Syria and Turkey and Qatar and a few more will discreetly support the IS in Syria and Iraq. KSA populace will support everyone with goodies, donations and food items.

In the meanwhile we have lots of action in Afghanistan too.
YPG is the unofficial women's arm of PKK which is downright Communistic. One reason YPG was given prominence was because PKK is labelled as terrorists. It was easier for sympathisers to supply arms to YPG than to PKK. I did not find any mention of PKK in those Kobane standoff videos. All Kurdish videos highlighted YPG (Pronounced Oo-Pa_Ga) and YPJ (men's pronounced Oo - Pa -Ja).
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