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kit wrote:Didn't most of the world think they were on the "right" side always and who ever against was wrong ?! .. Speaks how good the western propaganda machine works ( read Hollywood movies ..to quote just one)
I was wondering why the American presidents have continued to win 2nd terms since long. Almost 2 decades now. Even the moron Bush the genius won two terms. It has to do with the fact that the mass media in US hails their actions as correct and noble.
No matter how much we laugh here at BR, the americans think that they are the smartest. A debacle such as Iraq 2 doesnt seem to have enlightened the likes of TSJones and other fireeaters.
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Russia, Israel to co-ordinate over operations in Syrian airspace
"Hot lines" between Moscow and Tel Aviv aim to ensure the Israeli air force can continue its operations in Syrian airspace, despite the growing Russian military presence in the country, in the air and on the ground.

The guidelines for the real-time co-ordination mechanism were decided during a 21 September meeting in Moscow between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Netanyahu was accompanied by the Israel defence forces chief of staff Lt Gen Gadi Eizenkot and director of military intelligence Maj Gen Herzl Halevi, as well as national security adviser Yossi Cohen.

Israel is closely following the Russian military build-up in Syria. Satellite imagery shows activity at the Syrian air force's Latakia air base, including reinforcing runways, building helicopter landing pads, deploying mobile housing units and constructing several new buildings, including a new air traffic control tower. They also show the arrival of Sukhoi Su-27 fighters and Russian transport helicopters and helicopter gunships.

Israeli sources suggest that Russia is also likely to deploy surface-to-air missile systems to protect its assets.
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for some reason israel seems terrified of a accident with the russians. netanyahu literally ran to moscow with his boys moment the rus contingent landed and setup their shop.

maybe he doesnt want a couple dozen Iskander coming his way incase a israeli fighter jock shoots a Frogfoot.
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Germany slams Saudi Arabia's offer to build mosques for Syrian refugees as ‘cynical’
Politicians in Germany have criticised Saudi Arabia’s offer to build 200 mosques in the country for the ‘spiritual needs’ of Syrian refugees, given that the Kingdom has not offered to take in refugees fleeing from the civil war in Syria... Saudi Arabia offered to build mosques in Germany as tens of thousands of refugees make their way to the Hungarian border to seek asylum in European countries, especially Germany, which will be taking in 800,000 migrants this year
The Saudi offer of building mosques could be likened to the legendary "Trojan Horse"
CDU Deputy Chairman Armin Laschet also voiced his opinion and said, “Instead of talking about funding mosques, Saudi Arabia should be thinking about taking refugees.”
The Saudis are well known for their " money diplomacy"; in this case, they are killing two birds with one stone; ensuring that radicalization, which they created in the first place does not take roots in their country by accepting these refugees and secondly by funding the mosques and supplying Wahabi preachers for them, their version of Islam takes root in Germany :twisted:
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specialized Rus army comms vehicle sighting in syria
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2015/09 ... nto-syria/

http://spioenkop.blogspot.in/2015/06/sy ... mming.html

seems like there are systems which can jam proximity fuse frequencies of artillery and mortars and cause premature detonation
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... -vlq-9.htm

Rus surely will have analogues of these
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The comments on bellingcat are delusional.
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Singha wrote:for some reason israel seems terrified of a accident with the russians. netanyahu literally ran to moscow with his boys moment the rus contingent landed and setup their shop.

maybe he doesnt want a couple dozen Iskander coming his way incase a israeli fighter jock shoots a Frogfoot.
Nothing like that , Just a visit to exchange note and co-ordinate action to avoid friendly fire or political misconception.

Israel is worried that Syria should not open another front with Israel to which Putin said Syrian army is too busy defending its own country.
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The Europeans seems to be tacitly supporting Russians on Syria Issue , Merkel said the issue cannot be solved unless Russia and US co-ordinate on it.

EU is now having their own Shock & Awe moment , when they happily went into Libya and then Syria no one would have every though Lakhs of Refugees would be knocking at the EU door few years later , EU itself cannot agree among them self on how to handle it
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a lot of 'team usa hoo yah' are indeed delusional but there are sane voices even in bellingcat.

the 65 or so 'moderate' terrorists the US trained in turkey and let loose last weekend into syria to 'fight ISIS' have by now sold their weapons to the highest bidder, thrown away their dress and muscled into the next group of refugees bound for germany
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GD, I was referring to the responses to that particular story. Don't know bellingcat much otherwise.

Regarding the "moderate" terrorists, no question some of them will end up on the Schengen borders, will bide their time, and with the next "affront" to Muslim communities in their newly adopted lands - the bile will flow out, and the "expertise" will flow both ways.
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mp.net has shut down. this is its successor
http://themess.net/forum/military-discu ... ria/page36

clear pix of 12 x su24 fencer swing wing bombers now beside the 4 flankers and 12 frogfoot
http://w66.imgup.net/2292015fe3e.jpg

ppl in shadows claim the Mig31BM is now a growlerski of sorts , with ARMs and obviously too fast and high for manpads.
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so Austin all photos claiming su24, flankers, frogfoots in flight were true. the only missing pieces are location of the mighty Mig31 and the tactical drones.

drones and ground based stations are probably doing intensive ELINT sniffing now.

I have a feeling they will go after the Al nusra and other fronts first to clear them out and relieve pressure on urban areas . ISIS is deployed much deeper into eastern syria and not in a immediate conflict except some gains they made recently.
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the 65 or so 'moderate' terrorists the US trained in turkey and let loose last weekend into syria to 'fight ISIS' have by now sold their weapons to the highest bidder, thrown away their dress and muscled into the next group of refugees bound for germany.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Syria.html

Smart guys. Last one was wiped out by Nusra
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -West.html

It is quite possible though that US is trying to arm Nusra against Assad using the `moderate rebels` eyewash. All weapons have landed with Al Nusra till now. Everyone trained by US vanishes in air. completeley gayab.

David Petraus is on record suggesting arming Al Qaeda. Whatever it is. And continues to peddle his strategic genius ideas.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... orce-syria
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Singha wrote:so Austin all photos claiming su24, flankers, frogfoots in flight were true. the only missing pieces are location of the mighty Mig31 and the tactical drones.

drones and ground based stations are probably doing intensive ELINT sniffing now.

I have a feeling they will go after the Al nusra and other fronts first to clear them out and relieve pressure on urban areas . ISIS is deployed much deeper into eastern syria and not in a immediate conflict except some gains they made recently.
As much as Putin might want to say ISIS is a threat to Russia , it is as much as a threat to it as it is for India or any other country.

Who will they bomb with such small numbers of aircraft , ISIS , Al-Nussra , Anti-Assad forces or the 10's of splinter groups there , we really do not know who is fighting against whom :lol:

And why should we believe US/GCC bombing of ISIS over weeks , months and days could not suppress its advances and Russian with such small number would achieve any thing better ?

Sats pictures of Aircraft lined up looks cool but they are real small number like a drop in the ocean of what might be needed for such large scale air operation.

I think Russian Syria deployment is more geo-political under anti-ISIS mask , they are just there to defend what is left of syria , what is gone is gone for now , The Russian would use their Air-Power in Tactical Manner , aided by Syria/Iran Ground Forces and Russian/Iran/Syria SF on ground for tactical strikes to prevent over running or weakening of Damascus and other key cities still under Assad control

The fact that Assad forces aided by Hizb and Iran managed to keep the Sunni Terrorist at bay for past 3-4 years is itself a significant achievement considering the fact how close Bagdad was close to being over run by ISIS and how US trained Iraq forces gave up easily and ran away.

In the mean while they would negotiate with US/GCC for Assad replacement and future government that takes care of interest of Iran/Russia/Iraq and comes to some agreeable term , There is only diplomatic solution to this crisis

I think in meadium-long run the Shia/Alwaites ( iran/syria/Iraq ) would get polarised with Russia/China supporting them while the Sunni/GCC faction would be supported by West , though with talking terms with each other.
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China- I am not sure which side they will go, they play with the Sunnis through Pakis.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/s ... -jets-isis

Syria has received the jets and is bombing ISIL now. This is causing khujli to west for unknown reasons.
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Say what you will, the big bear still cuts a wide swath...even the Israelis are scampering. One thing is clear, Russia is not about to give up what litle influence it has in the ME..

Very interesting times with them cozying up to tsp at least some lip service, and modi cozying up to BO. my guess..with whoever comes to power in the US, spider sense suggests clinton vs. fiorina, with the latter taking the crown, India's relationship with the US is only going to get warmer
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Aditya_V wrote:China- I am not sure which side they will go, they play with the Sunnis through Pakis.
China had vetoed US moves in Syria during peak of crisis and recently Chinese weapons were seen with Syrian Army , I had posted the pictures.

Post Libyan crisis when West fooled China and Russia to not oppose its action in the guise of only a NFZ there and then went ahead with full blown measure to defeat Gaddafi , both China and Russia are co-ordinating in UN security council to Veto any move that gives blank cheque to US for its action
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Who will they bomb with such small numbers of aircraft , ISIS , Al-Nussra , Anti-Assad forces or the 10's of splinter groups there , we really do not know who is fighting against whom :lol:
simple - BABA - bomb anything but assad. none of the others are pro-russia or pro-iran so no need to act nice to anything. all are anti-assad. if the idea is to save assad, they are all free fire targets.

we all know how serious GCC, US, Turkey is about this whole shell game. turkey is using the cover to bomb PKK and YKK targets right and left. GCC has packed up and gone home to bomb Houthis since we do not hear any reports lately. and which units of the US are bombing ISIS now - the only obvious show of force was a lone B1 that helped the kurdish defences in kobane. there should ideally be 2 squadrons of B1 and 2 of F-15E based in incirlik and iraq and going after the ISIS with special forces and drones providing cues. all we have are the 65 moderate terrorists sent in to fight the ISIS so far.

at one time even the war in chechnya was considered a stalemate, but russia did prop up ruthless local warlords and militias and used humint to kill the chechen islamist leaders one by one. it takes patience and local allies for sure.
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Check the video in the link , When asked if Iran would co-operated with America on ISIS ,A top general laughs and says America are the one who created ISIS

Could Iran, U.S. tag-team ISIS? 'You must be dreaming,' Iranian general says
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ISIS core seems like remnants of saddam's old sunni baathist stormtroopers + trans national jihadis from europe esp UK. most of the older ones must have fought as young men in the iran-iraq war or in ODS. some have suffered at the hands of the post saddam govt or us run jails there.

american might have flirted with them as a cats paw to get rid of assad cheaply, with no blood or treasure needing to be invested. then ISIS turned back and became a monster that reached the gates of baghdad ... maybe the flirting was also to contain increasing iranian influence in iraq via the shiite govt and unified militias.
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Singha wrote:
Who will they bomb with such small numbers of aircraft , ISIS , Al-Nussra , Anti-Assad forces or the 10's of splinter groups there , we really do not know who is fighting against whom :lol:
simple - BABA - bomb anything but assad. none of the others are pro-russia or pro-iran so no need to act nice to anything. all are anti-assad. if the idea is to save assad, they are all free fire targets.

we all know how serious GCC, US, Turkey is about this whole shell game. turkey is using the cover to bomb PKK and YKK targets right and left. GCC has packed up and gone home to bomb Houthis since we do not hear any reports lately. and which units of the US are bombing ISIS now - the only obvious show of force was a lone B1 that helped the kurdish defences in kobane. there should ideally be 2 squadrons of B1 and 2 of F-15E based in incirlik and iraq and going after the ISIS with special forces and drones providing cues. all we have are the 65 moderate terrorists sent in to fight the ISIS so far.

at one time even the war in chechnya was considered a stalemate, but russia did prop up ruthless local warlords and militias and used humint to kill the chechen islamist leaders one by one. it takes patience and local allies for sure.
Yeah, putin has some experience in keeping the Islamist in check...he used some tough local, Chechen warlords of the sufi variety to terrorize the terrorists...check out that guy kadirov, bugger looks like a mobster....has instituted a constitution that allows him to have his hand in Islamist blood 'up to his elbows'- his own words these. Damned if he doesn't remind me of Sonny from the godfather
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Singha wrote: simple - BABA - bomb anything but assad. none of the others are pro-russia or pro-iran so no need to act nice to anything. all are anti-assad. if the idea is to save assad, they are all free fire targets.

we all know how serious GCC, US, Turkey is about this whole shell game. turkey is using the cover to bomb PKK and YKK targets right and left. GCC has packed up and gone home to bomb Houthis since we do not hear any reports lately. and which units of the US are bombing ISIS now - the only obvious show of force was a lone B1 that helped the kurdish defences in kobane. there should ideally be 2 squadrons of B1 and 2 of F-15E based in incirlik and iraq and going after the ISIS with special forces and drones providing cues. all we have are the 65 moderate terrorists sent in to fight the ISIS so far.

at one time even the war in chechnya was considered a stalemate, but russia did prop up ruthless local warlords and militias and used humint to kill the chechen islamist leaders one by one. it takes patience and local allies for sure.
I would wait and see what comes out of it , I think much of what we hear in western press etc is just Hype ( nothing unusual for the press though )

The limited number of aircraft they have the only useful burger there is Su-25 for CAS mission besides the Chopper , The Su-30SM and Su-24 are good tactical bombers not really a CAS aircraft so , most likely 27 would be on CAP mission and 24 to drop big bumb few and far inbetween.

The low number indicates it would be used in narrow context of supporting troops/ SF Forces on specific mission.

The only good thing is the ISIS or Rebels dont have decent AD system so Aircraft might be in Safer Sky but may be the GCC/US might supply these folks with Stinger to complicate matter
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Russia is establishing a long-term presence in Syria/ME,putting "roots" down. This may be only the first of further "upgrades" .Putin's chess moves are stunning.He's moved swiftly from taking over the Crimea,sending his forces out of the Black Sea into the Meditt. How many saw this coming? I was reading something interesting today elsewhere on BRF,about Kruschev warning Pak that it would obliterate (hinting nuclear obliteration) its airbase/Peshawar in the aftermath of the U-2 incident,where Gary Powers was shot down flying his U-2 spyplane over Soviet territory,from the Paki air base. Should Putin be threatened openly by ISIS,he could dliver the same warning.No one will shed a tear if ISIS is attacked and destroyed by micro/tactical nukes/neutron bombs! The US faileed to send over its B-52s,which I advocated for a v.long time.now Putin has his SSBN also in the Meditt which pulled into port in Syria."Speak softly and carry a big stick" (Teddy R.)

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/s ... -jets-isis
Syria confirms receipt of Russian jets to target Isis

Air force takes delivery of fighter planes and reconnaissance aircraft, and US officials say Moscow plans to send 2,000 personnel to airbase near Latakia
A Russian Antonov 124 cargo plane being unloaded on the tarmac of the Martyr Bassil al-Assad international airport in the government-controlled coastal city of Latakia.

Ian Black Middle East editor, and Alec Luhn in Moscow

Tuesday 22 September 2015

Syria has confirmed for the first time that it has received advanced fighter and reconnaissance aircraft from Russia, which the Damascus government says have significantly enhanced its ability to target Islamic State fighters.

The Syrian air force has “taken delivery of at least five fighter planes from Moscow, as well as reconnaissance aircraft which allow us to identify targets with great accuracy,” a senior military official told the AFP news agency on Tuesday. Russia has also sent other “sophisticated military equipment” to fight Isis.

A Syrian army officer told the Guardian separately that infantry units were now receiving more accurate satellite images of Isis positions and that airstrikes against them were thus more accurate and frequent, apparently thanks to Russian help.

US officials have reported that Russia now has 28 fighter aircraft in Syria, and plans to send 2,000 personnel to an airbase south of the coastal city of Latakia. Russia has started to fly unmanned aircraft over Syria in what appears to be surveillance operations.

There remains uncertainty, however, over how directly the Russians are prepared to get involved in the conflict.

Satellite pictures reported by IHS Janes Intelligence Review on Tuesday show the construction of two new Russian facilities north of Latakia. These “highlight how the rapid buildup of Russia’s expeditionary force in Syria is continuing apace,” it said.

On Monday, the Kommersant newspaper in Moscow quoted a soldier at the naval base in the Syrian city of Tartus as saying that the number of Russian specialists there had grown to 1,700.
Satellite view of a military base in Latakia.

Four and a half years into a war that has killed an estimated 250,000 people, the arms deliveries represent a significant development. Russia and Iran have backed President Bashar al-Assad from the start, while the US and European countries have called for his overthrow and given limited support to rebel groups, which have been eclipsed on the ground by Islamist fighters backed by the Saudis and Turkey or by Isis and Jabhat al-Nusra, al-Qaida’s Syrian affiliate.

The new aircraft, which arrived last Friday, have already been deployed against Isis in Deir Ezzor and Raqqa, the jihadist group’s de facto capital in north-eastern Syria. “Russian weapons are starting to have an effect in Syria,” the official said.

A Syrian army special forces officer said: “In the past two weeks there has been a noticeable increase in the accuracy and frequency of air force strikes. They actually call us now for more targets to hit. We have been receiving new intelligence, more accurate satellite and aerial imaging of Isis positions which we never got before.”

The officer added: “[The Russians] might supply the weapons, but we will be the ones fighting on the ground.”

The anti-regime Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported that at least 38 Isis fighters had been killed in airstrikes on Monday. “The number of raids is growing and the strikes are more precise after the Syrian air force received arms and more efficient planes from Moscow,” said the observatory’s director Rami Abdel Rahman.

Analysts have noted that since the Russian buildup, the Syrian air force has moved from dropping barrel bombs on other rebel-held areas to attacking Isis in Raqqa and Palmyra. On Monday, however, up to 32 civilians were reported killed when Syrian government forces bombarded a rebel-held part of Aleppo.

Western and Arab governments appear confused by Moscow’s moves, having recently hoped that it would take part in diplomatic efforts to end the crisis. Britain’s defence secretary, Michael Fallon, said on Tuesday that the Russian buildup in Syria had further complicated an already complex situation. Unlike the US, the UK has had no direct talks with Russia about the deployment, he said.

Secretary of state John Kerry says the US military has assessed that the type of Russian aircraft in Syria is consistent with protecting their own forces, and calls on Russia and Iran to be helpful in ending the four-year conflict
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Saudi Arabia and its Gulf partners called the Russian move an “escalation” and said Syria had no future while Assad was in power. Foreign ministers of the six-member Gulf Cooperation Council urged a political solution to the crisis “without any foreign intervention” – a clear swipe at Russia and Iran.

Western analysts say Vladimir Putin sees an opportunity to both assist the Assad regime and boost Russia’s influence in the region at the expense of the US. Further moves are likely to be set out when Putin addresses the UN general assembly in New York next week. He is due to meet the Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, on Wednesday.

The main significance of the Russian move is that it focuses on Isis, which is increasingly at the heart of western concerns, and portrays Assad as the essential partner in ensuring its defeat.

“Russia guesses that the conflicting objectives of all sides in the Syrian conflict – and of their international backers – will ensure that there can be no political solution for the foreseeable future,” said the Soufan Group, a US-based strategic analysis firm. “It is therefore taking advantage of this stalemate to increase the chances of Assad’s survival by inserting a significant military presence, while at the same time boosting its own influence in the broader Middle East.”

Efforts to find a negotiated solution to Syria’s war have repeatedly failed, despite the enormity of a crisis that has forced millions from their homes, many of them now seeking refuge in Europe.

Leonid Isayev, an associate professor of political science at Moscow’s Higher School of Economics, said he believed Russian forces were not taking active part in the conflict but were preparing to do so if Damascus came under threat. Isayev toured government-controlled areas of Syria last week.

“Rumours that Russian soldiers are going to fight on the side of Assad are exaggerated,” Isayev told the Guardian. “I don’t disagree that Russian specialists are arriving in Syria, our equipment and weapons are being delivered, that’s a fact. We are modernising the base in Latakia, we are modernising the port in Tartus, and that’s being done to prevent the fall of Damascus because rebels are already in the outskirts and there’s a risk of attack.”

Additional reporting by Ala’a Ebrahim
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whispers in that forum, has relevance to us:

Su-30SM has one often overlooked but important feature, the second pair of eyes, which coupled with it's huge/capable radar and other modern features, makes it perfect for the Strike Coordination & Recon + Airborne Forward Air Control missions (SCAR/FAC(A)).

The US Marine Corps use the two-seat F/A-18D on that very role, to this very day. And they successfully utilised these planes on the battlefield, since Desert Storm (back then it was F/A-18B iirc).
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Austin saar, unless ISIS develops a world class air arm fast or the US / Turkey / NATO air assets go head to head with the Russian stuff, these aircraft enjoy total air dominance. The choppers are insertion assets with fire power. The fixed wing can do dedicated roles or in an air dominant situation can morph to other roles. CAP requirement as of now is superfluous.

That is a big number at one base. Plus initially they will only go for the periphery of what's left of Syria. Aerial distances are hardly any. That kind of fleet will need a large ground support just to rearm quickly.
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deejay saar may be you are right since you must have seen such things up close and personal.
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Singha wrote:for some reason israel seems terrified of a accident with the russians. netanyahu literally ran to moscow with his boys moment the rus contingent landed and setup their shop.

maybe he doesnt want a couple dozen Iskander coming his way incase a israeli fighter jock shoots a Frogfoot.
It's not fear of Russia. They are both finally realizing that they need to prepare for Islamic Jihad as a multi-generational war. It is probably the foundation of some sort of long term alliance. Uncle is retreating at a rapid pace.
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http://www.financialexpress.com/article ... ez/140505/
India is planning heavy investment in Iran.
After pledging about Rs 500 crore for developing two existing berths at the Chabahar port off Iran’s south-eastern coast, India is now planning to invest over Rs 1 lakh crore for setting up various projects, including a urea plant, at the Chabahar port special economic zone (SEZ) area provided the nation on the Persian Gulf ensures gas at a lower rate.
If this does not belong here then request to mods to remove.
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X-post in Iran thread also.
The Urea plant is to process Iran raw materials into fertilizer and ship that to India.
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JE Menon wrote:^^The situation in many Western Europe (not just in Sweden) is much worse than one infers just by visiting these places. But I'm sure that the statistics exist with regard to the followers of the one true faith.
Wow looks like the swedes have just given up.
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RSoami wrote:
kit wrote:No matter how much we laugh here at BR, the americans think that they are the smartest. A debacle such as Iraq 2 doesnt seem to have enlightened the likes of TSJones and other fireeaters.
The irony is <snip> like TSJones are rooting for a government that sacrifices its own people for geopolitical gains.

The US govt provided diplomatic support, training, funding and weapons (either through the CIA or Saudi\Qatar intermediaries) to the same jehadis that proudly videotaped the beheading of American citizens. They knew exactly what they were doing; that is, they knew with 100% certainty that these jehadis would murder Americans at the first opportunity. And yet the US govt supported them anyway. <snip> like TSJones are perfectly ok with this, apparently.

It would be like the Indian govt handing over weapons and money to LET or JEM. Can you imagine how the Indian public would react to that? But the sheepish American public has no problem with their own govt doing the exact equivalent.
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I think, This one is relevant to WAsian politics...

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/wo ... scow-.html
Putin opens one of Europe’s biggest mosques in Russia
Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow on Wednesday opened one of the biggest mosques in Europe, warning against the lure of jihadists as the government frets over its citizens fighting for the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) group.Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas were the guests of honor at the unveiling of the 20,000-square meter mosque in the Russian capital. “This mosque will become an extremely important spiritual center for Muslims in Moscow and the whole Russia,” Putin said in a televised speech.“It will be a source for education, spreading humanist ideas and the true values of Islam.”The turquoise-domed mosque can host over 10,000 worshippers and is one of the largest in the country that will help to serve Russia's estimated 20 million Muslims.The $170 million (150 million-euro) project, which took a decade to complete, caused controversy over the destruction of an earlier mosque that stood on the site.Moscow -- which has battled an Islamic insurgency in its volatile southern Caucasus region -- is worried about the pull of extremist groups, especially ISIS jihadists fighting in Syria and Iraq. Interior Minister Vladimir Kolokoltsev last week estimated that some 1,800 Russian citizens are fighting for the radical group.Putin in his speech lashed out at jihadist groups for their “attempts to cynically exploit religious feeling for political ends.”“We see what is happening in the Middle East where terrorists from the so-called ISIS group are compromising a great world religion, compromising Islam, in order to sow hate,” he said.Putin was later set to meet Erdogan for talks that were expected to focus on the Syrian conflict, as the West frets about a buildup of Russian forces in the war-torn country.
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Putin plans to take over soft Islam!
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ramana wrote:Putin plans to take over soft Islam!
We have even bigger card to play in the Fire sale on islam. Couple of years ago many were wondering which direction the Jihadi flow will be nudged to,Westward or Eastward ? Its becoming clear now which direction is Highway to Heaven.
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Iran an Indispensible Partner in Fighting Wahhabi Terrorism Cancer: Prof M D Nalapat
I am a friend of the western world, but as a friend I would also like to be honest about some of the mistakes made by the western world and on Wahhabism,” he added. “The western world has made some very bad mistakes. Long ago, it used Wahhabism against Turkey. Then it used Wahhabism against Arab nationalists. Then it used Wahhabism against the Russians. And today Wahhabism has become a monster that is threatening the West.”Referring to the Wahhabism as “terrible cancer of Wahhabi terrorism,” director of the Geopolitics and International Relations Department of Manipal University said, “When a cancer invades a body, the body can never remain healthy.”
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Finally Merkel thinks the same

Assad Should Have Role in Syria Settlement – Merkel

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150924/ ... z3mdoZI48T
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Assad must go. Just like Saddam. But who will replace him. ISIS, Al Nusra, Al Qaeda.
Assad will be replaced by moderate rebels of which 3-4 are fighting in Syria now :!:

Either the amreekis are simply brain dead or they are behind rise of ISIS and intend to use it against Iran/Syria.
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Once again, a massive death toll for a pilgrimage that should have known by now on how to manage



310 pilgrims die in stampede on way to Jamrat complex

At some point, they have to hive off Hejaz and make these two into a city-state like Rome. The House of Saud is incapable of taking care of anything basic, let alone grandly call themselves "Custodians" et al
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