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Re: West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Postby IndraD » 15 Jun 2017 04:49

Pakistan will not take sides in ongoing Gulf crisis; but will use its influence to defuse crisis
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 143585.cms
"Pakistan has told Saudi Arabia it will not take sides in the brewing diplomatic crisis in the Middle East after Riyadh asked Islamabad 'are you with us or with Qatar'," the paper said.
Pakistan has been treading a careful path since Saudi and other Gulf countries snapped diplomatic ties with Qatar after accusing the oil-rich country of supporting terrorist groups. But Saudi wants Pakistan to side with the kingdom, it said.
Citing a senior government official, who was briefed on the talks at the monarch's palace in Jeddah, the paper said that Pakistan would not take sides in any event that would create divisions within the Muslim world.
"Nevertheless, in order to placate Saudi Arabia, Pakistan offered to use its influence over Qatar to defuse the situation. For this purpose, the prime minister will undertake visits to Kuwait, Qatar and Turkey," it said.
Sharif, accompanied by army chief General Qamar Javed Bajwa and other senior officials, travelled to Jeddah on Monday to discuss the emerging situation in the Gulf world.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Postby Philip » 15 Jun 2017 10:40

Qatar is also buying 24 Rafales.The US deal is to keep Washington happy,which is making much moolah out of both sides! Great tactic.It is sure to use it against India too,just wait for Mr.M and Trump to discuss relations.Qatar hopefully expect Washington to rein in the Saudis from doing anything foolish other than sabre rattle. Watch the outflow of money from Qatar.It will tell you who's being paid off as high insurance premiums.
Sat what you will,Trump is the US's best arms dealer for decades.He's got everyone desperate to buy US weaponry by helping create international chaos. Just watch the gripping "House of Cards" series on telly.One learns a lot about absolute power and how to weild it.

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Postby Karthik S » 15 Jun 2017 10:44

So will it be qatari eagles vs saudi eagles. Will be good to see if qataris do a saudi and let eyeranians get to fly their eagles.

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Postby Yagnasri » 15 Jun 2017 11:01

That would be the day. All great Arab top guns in aerial combat with eagles and falcons. :rotfl:

Do the manuals tell them not to expect the birds to land on their hands? :mrgreen:

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Postby chetak » 15 Jun 2017 11:03

Karthik S wrote:So will it be qatari eagles vs saudi eagles. Will be good to see if qataris do a saudi and let eyeranians get to fly their eagles.


The pakis will be flying the saudi jets anyway.

if the eyeranians do man the qatari jets, it may well be a mexican standoff as there will be a direct eyeranian threat to the pakis via the baluchistan destabilisation gambit.

the paki nuts are really being squeezed.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Postby Karthik S » 15 Jun 2017 11:29

How I wish we sent shipload of basmati rice to qatar along with MDH biryani masala. I feel we are losing out on thing by being neutral (overtly at atleast).

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Postby Philip » 15 Jun 2017 11:41

Insurance premium that Qatar will have to pay for,and it does not include annual maintenance methinks.
US to sell £9.4 billion worth of jets to Qatar despite Donald Trump's 'terrorist' claims.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/817 ... -Tillerson
THE United States has reportedly sold £9.4 billion ($12 billion) worth of sophisticated fighter jets to Qatar just days after President Donald Trump accused the Arab state of supporting terrorism.

By ALETHA ADU
PUBLISHED: 05:08, Thu, Jun 15, 2017
President Donald Trump shaking hands with Qatar's Emir Sheikh Tamim Bin Hamad Al-Than
Qatar’s Ministry of Defence confirmed the deal in which the Arab state will purchase the renowned F-15 fighter jets.

To seal the agreement US Defence Secretary Jim Mattis official went to visit Qatari officials yesterday, a source told Bloomberg.
[The deal] is confusing
Paul Sullivan, a Middle East specialist at Georgetown University in Washington
US Congress previously approved the sale of approximately 72 fighter jets worth £16.4 billion ($21 billion), months before Qatar’s neighbours severed diplomatic, trade and transport links with them.

But praising the newest sale between the two nations, US Pentagon released a statement which said the US and Qatari defence ties will be "strengthened".

The Pentagon went on to applaud the deal, which could create 60,000 jobs within 42 US states.
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The statement said the F-15 accord will lead to “closer strategic collaboration in our fight to counter violent extremism and promote peace and stability in our region and beyond”.

During his official visit to Qatar, Mr Mattis and Qatari Minister of State for Defence Affairs Khalid al-Attiyah also discussed their missions against the Islamic State.

News of the purchase follows President Trump’s statement, condemning the Arab state for “sponsoring terrorism”.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Postby Aditya_V » 15 Jun 2017 12:51

Hmm 110 Billion going upto 300 Billion last month and now 12 Billion to Qatar, USA will keep its Miltary manufacturing capability well oiled.

US and Qatar seal $12 billion deal for F-15 fighter jets

Qataris could have signed this deal last month itself.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Postby chetak » 15 Jun 2017 13:30

Karthik S wrote:How I wish we sent shipload of basmati rice to qatar along with MDH biryani masala. I feel we are losing out on thing by being neutral (overtly at atleast).


what makes you think that items aren't going to qatar via eyeran??

remember the chatur baniya. :) He will always find a way.

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Postby vinod » 15 Jun 2017 14:12

krishna_krishna wrote:
And this would give tiny Qatar two golden rewards. It would give it a land empire to match its Al Jazeera media empire. And it would extend its largesse to the Syrian territories, which many oil companies would like to use as a pipeline route from the Gulf to Europe via Turkey, or via tankers from the Syrian port of Lattakia.

For Europeans, such a route would reduce the chances of Russian oil blackmail, and make sea-going oil routes less vulnerable if vessels did not have to move through the Gulf of Hormuz.


^^^Pure wet dreams! This is not going to happen anytime soon as long as Putin is around. He didn't venture into Syria war and improve the base there for watching this happen.^^^


From here , well written by gentelman named Robert Frisk (even though it is a porki link) :

https://www.dawn.com/news/1338733

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Postby nam » 15 Jun 2017 14:32

Karthik S wrote:So will it be qatari eagles vs saudi eagles. Will be good to see if qataris do a saudi and let eyeranians get to fly their eagles.


Since Aim120 does not shoot down NATO jets... so it is going to be the good old dog fights with gun! It will also be fascinating to watch the heartache of USN pilots when they will be asked to shoot down Tomcats....

It has taken 12billion to turn the "finger" away...

Lesson for India. There is a business man in the white house. There is not need to do the usual chai biskoot session. Modi needs to be carry some moneybag and some photos of Balouch victims. Order some toys and Trump will probably order airstrike on Pakis in the meeting itself!

Wonder where are the the French...

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Postby Aditya_V » 15 Jun 2017 14:36

Who said Aim 120 does not shoot Nato Jets, then there never be any friendly fire incidents in the US. All that happens in X mark in the HUD in the sqaure with the Lock on aircraft telling its a friendly- "do you really want to shoot it down".

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Postby nam » 15 Jun 2017 14:49

IFF should prevent AIM120 shooting down another NATO jet.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Postby Singha » 15 Jun 2017 14:58

its not 100% . I recall during both gulf wars there were incidents of blue on blue . in one instance a plane was downed by a SAM and in another instance the plane escaped by firing a HARM....i dont think pilot was aware the radar was blue

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Postby Aditya_V » 15 Jun 2017 15:02

IFF does its identify itss friendly to the Pilot, generally an X m in square for the lock on the HUD. They do not disable the missile.

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Postby Karthik S » 15 Jun 2017 15:11

I recall an episodes of Dogfights in gulf war on history channel. One US F-15 delayed firing its AIM 120 as the pilot could not establish of the target is another F-15 or Mig 29.

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Postby IndraD » 15 Jun 2017 21:59

once you pay billion dollars to US :mrgreen:
US naval warships arrive in Qatar for military exercise
Arrival of two vessels for joint exercise comes just days after US President Trump accused Qatar of 'funding terrorism'.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Postby IndraD » 15 Jun 2017 22:17

India is now buying most of oil from Iraq followed by Saudi. Oil from Iran has been cut down as possible retaliation for Tehran not awarding a gas field development to Indian companies discovered by Indian company.
Same time Europe buying most of oil from Iran.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/business- ... HDJ7O.html

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Postby sivab » 16 Jun 2017 06:42

https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/ ... ping-route

India defies Gulf blockade with direct Qatar shipping route


Ships full of food and supplies from India will now arrive directly in Qatar's Hamad Port without having to stop anywhere in the Gulf region, offering fresh relief to the small emirate blockaded by its neighbours since June 5.

The new route links Hamad Port in Qatar with Mundra and Nhava Sheva ports in India, according to the Qatar News Agency.

Indian ships will arrive at Hamad port every Friday, with the first shipment expected to bring in 710 containers, said Qatar's Ministry of Transport.


Qatar has been looking to break the blockade imposed on it by Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Bahrain, blocking several of Qatar's usual land and maritime freight routes. Flights have also been affected by its Gulf neighbours refusing to let Qatar carriers use their airspace.

Doha has established direct shipping routes with Oman and has sought alternative suppliers of foodstuffs and goods from nations such as Turkey and Iran.

The Qatari authorities have also moved to reassure citizens and residents that they can weather the blockade without significant damage to the economy and daily life.

The blockade has been criticised by international human rights groups for its potential effect on ordinary citizens.

The three countries and their allies beyond the Gulf region severed ties with Doha without warning last week.

They ostensibly claim Qatar supports "terrorist groups" - a charge Doha vehemently denies - but the move is likely meant to force Qatar to shift its independent foreign policy to be more in line with those of Riyadh, Abu Dhabi and their allies.

Qatar has struck a defiant tone, vowing not to bargain over "sovereign matters".

The crisis has drawn in mediation efforts so far from Kuwait, Turkey, Germany, France and Morocco.


Nicely played. 8)

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Postby JE Menon » 16 Jun 2017 10:28

We have 650K people there. No reason for them to starve over a fraternal quarrel that they have nothing to do with. This has probably anyways been cleared all around. No one wants the low profile Indians there to leave and be replaced by either Arabs or Filipinos en masse. In any case who will go if there is no food.

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Postby Philip » 16 Jun 2017 19:40

V.good that we're standing by Qatar.We import huge qtys. of gas from it,but more importantly,the actions of the Soothi alliance are simply barbaric and uncivilised. The Saudis think too much of themselves as the "keepers of the two holy places",something given to them by the Brits.
They must be most dismayed that the Donald has sold them a massive "lemon".They hoped that their buy of $300B ,$100B at first,of US weaponry would allow them an Arabian "take-away" of Qatar,but he pulled a really fast one on them by selling Qatar $12B worth of fighters!

Moral of the story for Mr.Modi.Don't trust the Donald. He'll b*tch about Pak and terror then go on to reward them.

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Postby IndraD » 16 Jun 2017 20:34

Philip wrote:Moral of the story for Mr.Modi.Don't trust the Donald. He'll b*tch about Pak and terror then go on to reward them.

but another morale is he likes smell of fresh dollars ! He can be bribed and softened with money..

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Postby Karthik S » 16 Jun 2017 20:56

We should ask qataris to stop indulging in Indophobia that al jazeera indulges in. It's second only to BBC.

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Postby Singha » 17 Jun 2017 09:08

fight between qatar and saudi delegates in GCC meeting

https://twitter.com/SameeraKhan/status/ ... 1444104193

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Postby ArjunPandit » 17 Jun 2017 09:10

^^shortage of soocide vests or those are reserved for khadims in pakistan and afghanistan?

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Postby sum » 17 Jun 2017 09:18

^^ Joke video saar.....she herself says in the comments below.

Mostly some random video from earlier.

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Postby UlanBatori » 17 Jun 2017 17:44

Did you notice that one of the penguins got on top of a long table and it did not collapse? Clearly not imported from Yoo Ess (meaning Made in China).

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Postby IndraD » 17 Jun 2017 19:04

Singha wrote:fight between qatar and saudi delegates in GCC meeting

https://twitter.com/SameeraKhan/status/ ... 1444104193

even after a good search Iam clueless regarding what is portal AHTribune regarding! WHo funds etc. Looks like anti India and lots of conversations on her T/L in Urdu in English. Suspicious....

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Postby Singha » 18 Jun 2017 10:10

It was a labour union meeting in kuwait

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Postby IndraD » 18 Jun 2017 12:14

the death of a cyclist has provoked anger in Germany after it emerged the driver responsible is a Saudi who cannot be prosecuted because he has diplomatic responsibility.

Police said the unnamed driver had opened the door of his Porsche directly into the cyclist’s path in Berlin’s fashionable Neukölln district without checking to see if the road was clear.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06 ... -immunity/

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Postby IndraD » 18 Jun 2017 12:16

Saudi border guards have opened fire on an Iranian fishing boat in the Gulf, killing a fisherman, Iran's Tasnim news agency said on Saturday, amid high tension between the two rival states.

"Two Iranian boats that were fishing in the waters of the Persian Gulf were pushed off their course by waves. There was shooting by Saudi border guards ... and one Iranian fisherman was killed," the semi-official agency quoted an Interior Ministry official as saying.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran ... 980QW?il=0

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Postby Javee » 19 Jun 2017 13:21

Saudi Arabia too is accused of arming and funding rebels in Syria, of funding Wahabbi extremism in madrassas in South Asia….when KSA points the finger at Qatar, it has many fingers pointing at it.

There is no truth, whatsoever, in the allegation that the Kingdom funds extremist madrassas or mosques. I don’t even know if there are such mosques in India, it’s not for me to say. Our strategy on counter-terrorism and security cooperation and to ensure terrorists cannot find funds is excellent. We work very closely with India on this.

We do not donate a single penny without the full consent of the government of India. We take any request for funding to the Indian government, and even before transferring funds we notify the government.

We have also banned giving to any charity outside Saudi Arabia. If individuals break that law, we will prosecute them. With Qatar, we have a list of entities and individuals who are terrorists who we want them to prosecute. Why would we make up such accusations against a member of the GCC family?

Has KSA asked India for support? Reports this week suggested King Salman asked Pakistan PM Sharif to pick a side…

Well, let me just say that when it comes to terrorism, all countries should have a full commitment to countering it.

India’s statement on this issue was very clear, and if we can work together more on fighting terrorism and extremism, so we welcome any efforts from India in that regard.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/s ... epage=true

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Postby IndraD » 20 Jun 2017 19:19

from a deep asset based in Qatar...food prices are going up in spite of King have subsidised over 50,000 food item..
slowly but surely Qatar is reeling under blockade crisis now..full effect will be visible only after Ramadan is over when people become more active and look for varitey of staples..

ABU DHABI // Residents of Qatar are waiting with growing trepidation for
the full effects of sanctions by other Gulf states to take hold.
Shoppers cleared supermarket shelves of produce just hours after the UAE
and Saudi Arabia announced the closure of land, sea and air routes to the
emirate two weeks ago.
For a country that imports 90 per cent of its food, much of it through a
single land crossing with Saudi Arabia, the impact was immediate.
The panic buying has eased since then thanks to imports from Turkey and
residents have adapted to the changes, but they fear further shortages of
food and worry that the situation will deteriorate after Ramadan.
The American owner of a restaurant chain with outlets in Doha and across
the GCC said produce from Turkey and Kuwait had been filling the gaps in
the market, but she feared there could be more supply problems as there
were no signs of an end to the crisis.
To avoid price increases, Qatar’s ministry of economy and commerce has
been forced to subsidise about 50,000 food products.
Fresh food in particular has been affected as the bulk of Qatar’s fruit and
vegetable imports were brought in by road through the Abu Samra border
crossing between Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
2017­6­20 Full effects of sanctions on Qatar yet to take hold | The National
http://www.thenational.ae/world/qatar/full­effects­of­sanctions­on­qatar­yet­to­take­hold 2/6
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Along with imports from alternative sources, there has been an attempt to
increase supplies of local produce, but because there are no price caps on
Qatari food, the costs are high. And the level of local food production is still
far short of demand.
"Practically all groceries, albeit different brands, are available, but some
foodstuffs have gone up in price," said Tawfiq Raji, 26, a Canadian who
works in Qatar.
"Different restaurants are also more frequently sold out of menu items, so
that has a slight detrimental effect on restaurant owners."
In the shops and supermarkets, food imported from Saudi Arabia and the
UAE before the break in ties on June 5 is still on the shelves approaching
its expiry date.
Some residents said life had continued as normal because of the routines
of Ramadan, in particular consumer habits and shortened work hours.
"The population is generally less active during this time, so you wouldn’t
notice that common staples are missing," said Mr Raji.
The American restaurant owner said she had noticed a drop in the number
of people in the malls and less spending generally. She said people
favoured prudence.
"The only thing that has suffered is people’s confidence that they will have
a job a few months from now, or enough money to leave with if they have
to, so some spending has declined," she said.
Mr Raji said he expected the construction sector, in which he works, to be
affected if the GCC dispute continued. Much of the building material used
in Doha’s construction boom and World Cup projects is also transported
across the Saudi border.
"This will definitely affect the future of the country as there will be
numerous delays faced by many contractors. This will in turn lead to
delayed payments, which could lead to bankruptcy for smaller companies,"
he said.
Another issue raised by a Briton who recently moved to the country is the
lack of an easy visa­run destination.
"We used to go to Dubai, there was something like two or three flights an
hour. We’d pop in and out within a day, maybe meet up with some mates
while we’re at it," said the 37­year­old who is in Doha on a visit visa while
looking for a job.
Now, he said, expats are forced to go to Oman or Kuwait on more
expensive flights and at less convenient times

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Postby IndraD » 20 Jun 2017 19:40

Recieved from a friend in Qatar who handles a large event organising company:

We will face tough time..many international events are getting cancelled which were supposed to be held in Sep to Nov ..2017 World Superbike Championship , 2017 FIA World Touring Car Championship​.. definitely all the major projects will be affected.. let's see what happens after Ramadan

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Postby ArjunPandit » 20 Jun 2017 19:49

Events like these are opportunities for us to show our relevance in these matters. While we may not take sides, we have all the reasons to not let our population starve. KSA and their cronies will have hard time justifying blocking indian ships carrying supplies for indians. Again not our fight, till it comes to our people. We can recycle statements from China/Pak, that we condemn terrorism and all forms of it but can't let our nationals suffer.

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Postby Karthik S » 20 Jun 2017 19:51

First people that will be affected due to inflated food prices are Indian blue collar workers. GoI should intervene immediately.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Postby Singha » 20 Jun 2017 20:57

EAM needs to send a fact finding team to qatari labour camps in the desert where our workers are housed. they work in 45C heat on project sites like for the fifa world cup and seldom have AC in the camps, which are concrete housing or sometimes even container based housing.

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Postby Philip » 20 Jun 2017 21:08

"Every crisis is an opportunity".Chinese have the same word for it. India could make a real pot by supplying "its numerous citizens" in Qtar on a humanitarian basis! Who can object to India feeding iots own people in far-away Qatar?

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Postby Singha » 21 Jun 2017 14:19

expected has happened.

(CNN)In a surprise reshuffle at the top of Saudi Arabia's royal hierarchy, the country's king has deposed his nephew as crown prince in favor of his son, Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz.

Mohammed bin Salman will now be first in line to succeed his father King Salman as ruler of the key US ally.

The 31-year-old has been appointed deputy prime minister and will continue in his role as defense minister, according to a royal decree cited by state media

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Re: West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

Postby ArjunPandit » 21 Jun 2017 19:33

Does that mean, the qatar saga is over?


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