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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby A_Gupta » 03 Jun 2015 17:28

The ball is in China's court:
http://www.isn.ethz.ch/Digital-Library/ ... &id=191055
"India’s Modi Turns the Tables on China"

For years, Delhi was labeled as the obstacle to normalizing Sino-Indian ties. Modi has deftly turned the tables on Beijing by signaling that he is willing to go all out in enhancing cultural and economic ties. The onus of reducing strategic distrust rests with Beijing – success or failure of the Asian century might depend on Beijing’s response.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 03 Jun 2015 18:49

Defending against Beijing: Centre to set up 42 ITBP border outposts - PTI
GUWAHATI: The Centre will set up 42 additional ITBP border outposts (BOP) for strengthening security along the international borders of the north east states along China, said Union Minister of State for Home Affairs Kiren Rijiju today.

"We have approved the setting up of 37 additional BOPs in Arunachal Pradesh and five in Sikkim. Presently, the BOPs are positioned at a distance of 30 to 40 km from each other. It is difficult for the 40 or so people manning each BOP to monitor the distance between the two posts," he told newsmen here.

The additional BOPs besides strengthening border security will facilitate the people living in those areas, he said, adding the Centre was planning to provide rice, dal and other food items to help them.

"We want to match the border roads with the neighbouring countries. Their roads are very good. Improving the border roads will also facilitate the local people there," Rijiju, who was speaking about the achievements of the year-old Narendra Modi government, said.

The Centre, he said, would also set up integrated check posts (ICP) in all border areas of the northeast states and many spots have already been identified for the purpose.

"The ICPs would be at Moreh in Manipur, Dawki in Meghalaya, Kaladan and Kawarpuchia in Mizoram, Agartala in Tripura, Pangsupass in Arunachal Pradesh and may be at Dhubri and Karimganj in Assam," the central minister said.

This would give a boost to the Prime Minister's 'Act East policy', in which the north east region is an integral policy.

The ICPs to be full fledged trading points will facilitate border trade and people from across the border can come there legally, besides establishing relations with the neighbouring countries, Rijiju said.

"Our government has taken expedient steps for setting up the ICPs and establish contact with the neighbouring countries as they have to jointly agree for the posts," he added.

In the smaller bordering areas, haats (small centres) would be set up to facilitate trade across the border, Rijiju said.

The Cabinet Committee on Security in 2006 had approved the setting up of ICPs on entry/exit points along India's international land border as a sanitised zone that has adequate passenger and freight processing facilities.

Stating that there exists a "difficult law and order situation" in the north east region barring Sikkim, the central minister said, "We, therefore, have a programme to reimburse the security issues-related expenditure and so far released Rs 261 crore."

For improving the communication infrastruction and IT sector, Rs 5,000 crore has been earmarked, he added.

As part of Modi government's attention on the region, Rijuju said besides national highways, the Centre will also fund important state roads. "The state governments have only to provide the land for them," he said.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 03 Jun 2015 19:14

Japan, Australia defense ministers pledge to boost cooperation - Masaaki Kamed, Japan Tmes
Defense Minister Gen Nakatani and his Australian counterpart, Kevin Andrews, pledged Wednesday to boost defense ties through enhanced cooperation on a range of topics including tensions in the South China Sea and Australia’s submarine project.

Speaking to reporters after an hour-long meeting with Andrews at the Defense Ministry in Tokyo, Nakatani said they both shared “serious concern” on the reclamation work by China in the South China Sea and will oppose unilateral moves to change the status quo through the use of force.

“We will jointly urge relevant countries to pursue solutions in accordance with international law,” Nakatani stressed.


Both ministers also agreed to shore up cooperation on Australia’s project to replace Collins-class submarines. Tokyo decided last month to bid on the project, following a decision at the National Security Council to disclose some technical data on Japan’s submarine technology to the South Pacific country.

Andrews expressed appreciation for Japan’s cooperation for the project to develop next-generation submarines through the “competitive evaluation process,” in which Germany and France are also invited as bidders, according to a Defense Ministry official.

Australia is reportedly interested in Japan’s state-of-the-art Soryu class, touted as one of the world’s quietest long-range, non-nuclear submarines.

Tokyo and Canberra agreed last October to explore the possibility of technological cooperation on submarines. During a teleconference May 6, Andrews asked Nakatani to take part in the process.

Exporting submarines to Australia would greatly expand the scope of such exports under the new rules on the transfer of defense equipment and technology, adopted last April.

On Thursday, Andrews plans to visit the Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd. and Kawasaki Heavy Industries Ltd. shipyards in Kobe, where the Soryu-class stealth submarines are manufactured.

Nakatani said he also briefed Andrews on the recently revised Japan-U.S. defense cooperation guidelines and the security bills to expand the scope of overseas activities by the Self-Defense Forces, which are currently under deliberation in the Diet.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 03 Jun 2015 19:20

China is acting like Nazi Germany, says Philippines’ Aquino - Japan Times
Philippine President Benigno Aquino on Wednesday urged the international community to press China to freeze its land reclamation work in the South China Sea, likening Beijing’s actions in the region to those of Nazi Germany in the run-up to World War II.

“If stability is a necessary prerequisite to prosperity for all, and if prosperity for all our peoples is the be-all and end-all of any government, then perhaps they should re-examine all of these efforts and see whether or not this is necessary given the increasing tensions that are happening because of these activities,” Aquino said in a speech in Tokyo.

“America and Japan both talked about their concerns, and this voice is also seconded by the European Union and various other countries,” the president said, referring to China’s land reclamation in the region.

“We are thankful because . . . if every country had chosen to remain silent on this particular issue, perhaps that might have been encouraged them to even accelerate their reclamation efforts going on because they might have said ‘nobody seems to care, we will do what we want.’ “



Aquino was making his sixth visit to Japan since taking the presidency in 2010. The visit comes as China flexes its growing maritime muscle in the South China Sea.

Beijing claims sovereignty over almost all of the sea, while nations such as the Philippines and Malaysia have overlapping claims.

When asked about the role the United States is playing in the Asia-Pacific, Aquino said the U.S. presence serves as a deterrence to the expansion by other countries.

“If there was a vacuum, if the United States, which is the superpower, says ‘we are not interested,’ then perhaps there is no brake to ambitions of other countries,” he said.

Aquino went on to compare present-day China with Nazi Germany, which pressed for territorial conquests around the time of the outbreak of World War II.

“I’m an amateur student of history and I’m reminded of, just watching several documentaries on World War II, especially how Germany was testing the waters and what the response was by various other European powers,” he said.

“They tested the waters and they were ready to back down if, for instance in that aspect, France said stop,” Aquino told the audience. “But unfortunately, up to the annexation of the Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia . . . the annexation of the entire country of Czechoslovakia, nobody said stop.

“The commentators on these documentaries were saying what if somebody said ‘stop’ to (Adolf) Hitler at that point in time, or to Germany at that time, could we have avoided World War II? That is a question that still occupies the thoughts of so many individuals,” Aquino said.

Aquino’s speech was organized by Nikkei Inc. and the Japan Center for Economic Research.

The president arrived in Tokyo on Tuesday for a four-day state visit. He is scheduled to hold a summit with Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on Thursday in which the two are expected to boost bilateral defense and security ties.

Japan is one of the Philippines’ two strategic partners, along with the United States.

Aquino is also slated to attend a contract-signing ceremony for 10 patrol boats to be delivered to the Philippine coast guard. The contract is between the Philippines’ Department of Transportation and Communications and the Japan Marine United Corp.

Later in the day at a Diet speech before Japanese lawmakers, Aquino described Japan and the Philippines as the “most vocal defenders” of peace and stability in the region and said the balance in East and Southeast Asia “is being disrupted.”

“The prosperity of maritime and coast East and Southeast Asia, which relies greatly on the free movement of goods and peoples, is at risk of being disrupted by attempts to redraw the geographic limits and entitlements outside those clearly bestowed by the law of nations,” Aquino said.

Aquino’s words were taken to be alluding to China’s recent muscle-flexing in the South China Sea, although he did not accuse any country by name.

“Perhaps I may share with you a question that I posed to a country that we both have had difficulties with: If all governments are there to serve the people from whom they derive their power, is it not incumbent up on all to maintain stability, which is a necessary prerequisite for prosperity?” he said.


The president also said his country is “following with utmost interest and great respect” the ongoing deliberations at the Diet that would allow Japan to take “a more proactive stance in fulfilling its responsibilities to the international community for the maintenance of peace.”

Aquino was apparently referring to security-related bills Prime Minister Abe recently submitted to the Diet to expand the scope of the Self-Defense Forces’ overseas activities.


A hard hitting speech, coming from the small Philippines. Well done Mr. President

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 03 Jun 2015 19:26

Vietnam takes delivery of two Russian-design missile corvettes as maritime tensions mount - Japan Times
Vietnam took delivery of two new missile boats on Tuesday made locally and modeled on Russian vessels, the latest move by its military to strengthen maritime defenses as tensions simmer over sovereignty in the South China Sea.

The two Tarantul-class corvettes, known as Molniyas, are equipped with 16 missiles and automatic weapons and are among six ordered by the navy, two of which were delivered last year. The missiles have a range of 130 km.


The announcement was carried on the Vietnamese government’s news website and comes amid diplomatic rumblings over land reclamation work by rival claimants and U.S. concern over what it said was China’s placement of mobile artillery systems in contested territory.

Vietnam’s naval defense capabilities have been boosted by Russian hardware, including state-of-the-art kilo-class submarines recently equipped with a Russian land attack variant of the Klub missile. They are capable of precision strikes within a range of 300 km.

Many experts see Vietnam’s strengthening of its defenses and its diplomatic ties with Japan, the Philippines and the United States of late as signs of its determination to counter China’s growing assertiveness after a bitter falling out with Beijing last year.

Deputy Defense Minister Truong Quang Khanh said the new boats showed Vietnam could “fully master the technology and techniques of modern military shipbuilding” and would boost its combat power and help protect its maritime sovereignty, according to the report.

It said the vessels could take on warships, amphibious ships and corvettes, protect submarines and carry out scouting.

China remains an important economic and political ally for Vietnam, but ties have been strained over competing claims to the Spratly and Paracel islands. China says it has jurisdiction over nine-tenths of the South China Sea, putting it at odds with four Southeast Asian states.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Tuvaluan » 03 Jun 2015 23:28

http://www.outlookindia.com/news/article/china-backs-pakistan-membership-of-nuclear-suppliers-group/900318

She was replying to question on how China views Pakistan's aspirations for NSG membership at the NSG plenary meeting being held in Argentina.

"In fact, besides Pakistan, there are other non NPT states who have expressed similar aspirations," she said in an apparent reference to India's interest to become NSG member.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his visit last month here asked China to back India's membership to the NSG and the permanent membership of the UN Security Council.

"This raises an issue to the international community, that is, whether non-NPT states are in the position to join the NSG. China believes that this issue deserves thorough discussion among NSG member states in accordance with relevant rules, thus to make a decision by consensus," she said.


Why even ask the chinese for backing and reveal India's interests/intentions? The chinese need to be sidelined in all matters, instead of attempting to coopt them and have their assent.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Bade » 04 Jun 2015 01:39

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International law has not prohibited the reclamation of land or islands from the sea. For instance, Shanghai has expanded greatly since the Song Dynasty by reclaiming land from the sea. Songjiang, now a part of internal land here, used to be coastal many centuries ago. Such reclamation has been continuing all the time. Japan has built Kansai International Airport through reclamation, Hong Kong has done similarly for its current airport and Dubai has engineered its famous World Islands projects for leisure purposes. Certainly they have expanded their territory and gained associate benefits. Contemporary international maritime law doesn't disallow such activities.

Maritime reclamation has been a part of our life. For a long time, Japan has been fortifying the Okinotori Islands and demanded an exclusive economic zone derived from its fortified structure. However, America has been silent on this. For a similarly long time, Vietnam has reclaimed and expanded some of the islands of the Spratly under its occupation, earlier than China is doing. Again, America has made no real objection.

It should be noted that China and Vietnam have disputes over some of these islands in the South China Sea. China has claimed that it owns all islands/islets on its side of the U-shaped line and it thought that decades ago Vietnam had agreed with China's claim, made at the time when Hanoi needed China's support for its independence and unification fight with France and the U.S.


Most of the arguments he makes for China's case is worth ROFTL.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Prem » 04 Jun 2015 04:58

http://thenamopatrika.com/4-indian-wars ... china-sea/
4 INDIAN WARSHIPS TO EXERCISE IN SOUTH CHINA SEA

Four Indian naval warships have reached the South China Sea to exercise with five Asean nations surrounding the disputed sea zone, before sailing to Australia.While two of them—stealth frigate INS Satpura and anti-submarine warfare corvette INS Kamorta—were already there taking part in the Simbex-2015 drills with Singapore Navy, two other ships—missile destroyer INS Ranvir and fleet tanker INS Shakti—reached Jakarta on Sunday.The Indian warships will exercise with Indonesian Navy for the next four days before touching Asean ports like Kuantan in Malaysia, Sattahip in Thailand and Sihanoukville in Cambodia. After completing these engagements, the warships will set sail for Freemantle in Australia. The deployment involves a three-month-long voyage of the Eastern Fleet of Indian Navy, led by Rear Admiral Ajendra Bahadur Singh.The Indian deployment comes at a time when territorial dispute over the area is increasing, with several countries opposing China’s alleged plans of militarisation of the maritime zone.
Successive Indian Navy chiefs have stated that Navy is capable of including South China Sea as its “area of interest” if Indian assets are threatened.India believes in the freedom of navigation. Indian oil exploration activities in the South China Sea are in accordance with all international laws. Statements (made by China) threatening use of force are not appropriate as both countries are committed to resolve the issue,” External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj said here on Sunday.Three years ago, on a routine port call to Vietnam, Indian warship INS Airavat had received a message from a Chinese military vessel asking it to leave what the Chinese claimed was their territorial waters, but otherwise accepted as international waters.The South China Sea disputes figured prominently at the ongoing Shangri-La dialogue at Singapore, which for the first time was attended by US Secretary of Defence Ashton Carter. Minister of State for Defence Rao Inderjit Singh, who represented India at the security meet, did not mention South China Sea in his address.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 04 Jun 2015 08:54

India, US discuss measures for South China Sea stability amid Chinese aggression - Dipanjan Roy Chaudhury, Economic Times
India and the USA on Wednesday discussed situation in the South China Sea region and measures that could lead to stability in the area with fresh reports of new artificial islands being built by China raising tensions in Southeast Asia.

The matter was a key item on the agenda when US Defence Secretary Ashton Carter met External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj and National Security Adviser Ajit Doval here [New Delhi]. Carter coming to India straight from Vietnam emphasized on the need for stability in the South China Sea as his Indian interlocutors stressed on freedom of navigation and right to oil exploration in the area, diplomatic sources said.

The issue of stability in the Asia-Pacific region is emerging as strategic priority for both the USA and India in the backdrop of Joint Vision Statement issued during President Barack Obama's trip here last January. "...Regional prosperity depends on security. We affirm the importance of safeguarding maritime security and ensuring freedom of navigation and over flight throughout the region, especially in the South China Sea. We call on all parties to avoid the threat or use of force and pursue resolution of territorial and maritime disputes through all peaceful means, in accordance with universally recognized principles of international law, including the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea," affirmed the statement.

Last Sunday addressing the annual press meet External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj pointed out that India has clarified on oil search in the South China Sea region indicating that Delhi will continue its exploration in the oil blocks offered by Vietnam. Hanoi has offered over five oil blocks to India off the coast of Vietnam. Officials in Delhi said that the Modi government is closely monitoring the ratcheting of tensions in Southeast Asia that have implications for India's economic and strategic interests in the backdrop of an active Act East Policy.

Fresh tensions have arisen after China last Sunday strongly rejected U.S. criticism of its land reclamation activities in the South China Sea. Chinese Admiral Sun Jianguo told Shangri La Dialogue in Singapore that construction work is "justified, legitimate and reasonable," and that the projects are for the purpose of providing "international public services."

The admiral, who is the deputy chief of staff of the People's Liberation Army asserted "there are no changes in China's claims in the South China Sea. Nor are there changes in China's position on the peaceful resolution of the relevant disputes through negotiation and consultation."

ET is in possession of images, released by Philippines, of new construction activities by China in SCS. Construction of artificial islands in SCS, a major sea lane of communication in Asia has exacerbated tensions after Chinese territorial claims in the region since 2010.

The comments from Sun raises eyebrows and leads to a conclusion China intends to militarize the disputed islands on which it is building, according to both Indian and US officials.

The Chinese admiral's comments came a day after Carter slammed China for being "out of step" with international norms amid the unprecedented pace of island reclamation, saying "it is unclear how much farther China will go."

The actions are increasing "the risk of miscalculation and conflict," Carter said in a speech Saturday at the Shangri-La Dialogue. Carter noted China has reclaimed over 800 hectares, more than all other claimants combined and has done so in only the last 18 months. In his subsequent visit to Vietnam the US Defence Secretary pledged $18 million to help Hanoi buy U.S. patrol boats to thwart any aggression. Last year India extended a Line of Credit of 100 million USD to Vietnam to buy four patrol boats from Delhi.

Strongly emphasizing on the need for freedom of navigation in Asia, MoS Defence Rao Inderjit Singh said at Shangri La Dialogue: "We must remember that most of the world's shipping traffic including energy shipments traverse Asian waters. The same can increasingly be said of global value chains. Ensuring freedom of navigation in these waters is thus essential for all our security."

"For us in India, freedom of navigation on the seas has always been important since our history has been shaped by the constant maritime inter-flow of goods and people between our coasts and other countries in Asia and Africa," Singh pointed out.

India has always opposed the threat or unilateral use of force to resolve maritime territorial disputes as this can disrupt normal trade flows threatening the economic security of all countries that depend on free-flow of marine commerce, he said in an indirect dig towards China.

Echoing similar sentiments at the Shangri La Dialogue, Japan, Australia Malaysia and hosts Singapore called for peace in the SCS and adherence to international laws for freedom of navigation in the region.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 04 Jun 2015 08:59

China claims Indian lands but does not wish to exchange maps on their claim thus leaving the India-China border as the longest undelimited and undemarcated border in the world. China arbitrarily used 9 dashes in a map of South China Sea and claims that area as hers without giving precise coordinates of these nine dashes or going through the UNCLOS arbitration for settlement.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 04 Jun 2015 13:53

China defends projects in PoK, justifies its objections against Indian oil exploration in SCS - PTI, Economic Times
China is opposed to India's oil exploration in the South China Sea because it is a disputed area, but regards its ambitious USD 46 billion economic corridor through Pakistan-occupied Kashmir a "livelihood project" with issues left over from history.

Both India and China advocate freedom of the navigation in the South China Sea and there are no differences over it, according to Huang Xilian, Deputy Director General of the Asian Affairs of the Foreign Ministry.

India will react if a Chinese company goes to a disputed area with a South Asian neighbour, Huang said, adding that likewise China objects to India's participation in oil exploration in the wells in South China Sea (SCS) claimed by Vietnam, he told an Indian media delegation here.

ONGC has been awarded oil exploration contracts by Vietnam and China in the past voiced objections to Indian state-owned firm's participation in Vietnam's oil exploration projects if they fall into disputed fall into disputed areas.

India defended the projects saying that they are purely commercial projects and need not be politicised.

Asked why the same principle cannot be applied to Chinese investments in PoK specially the Corridor which is also a commercial project, Huang said the issues relating to the region are a left over from history.

"We know the concern of the Indian side and those projects are not political projects. They are all for livelihood of people. There is no commercial action by China in that part of the region," he said.

"There is this kind of action for many years. We do not side with any party on the issue of the territory. We have been advocating that the disputes should be solved through concerned parties through peaceful means. The kind of commercial activities do not affect the position of China on the claimants of the territory," he said.

"I am not talking which one is good and which one is bad. I tried to explain our position on this. We know your concern. We tried to communicate to your side our position," he said
. India this week said it has conveyed its objections to China over as it goes through the PoK.

"We lodged protest calling the Chinese ambassador. We lodged protest through our Ambassador there (Beijing). And when the Prime Minister had gone there (to China), he talked about it very firmly. He raised it very strongly that it is not acceptable to us what you are talking about China-Pakistan economic corridor going to PoK," External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj had said in New Delhi.

About the Silk Road projects, Huang said China proposed to find common interests between India's strategic initiatives in the region with that of the Silk Road projects to achieve common objective.

The silk road projects for which China has set up a USD 40 billion fund will strengthen connectivity to improve the infrastructure to provide better facilities for trade and enhance people to people exchanges, he said.

India has said it backs the projects wherever the synergies meet.

While New Delhi is taking part in the Bangladesh, China, India, Myanmar (BCIM) Corridor, it is silent on the 21st Century Maritime Silk Road over its likely impact in its backyard the Indian Ocean.


China is making itself a laughing stock through its ridiculous argument and is tying itself up in knots.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 04 Jun 2015 14:33

China wants agreement with India on code of conduct at border - PTI, ToI
China prefers a pact with India on a code of conduct to maintain peace along the border rather than clarification of Line of Actual Control proposed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his visit here last month.

Outlining China's first public reaction to Prime Minister Modi's proposal, deputy director general of the Asian Affairs at the foreign ministry Huang Xilian said both sides should try to reach an agreement on code of conduct as attempts to clarify mutual positions on the LAC had "encountered difficulties" in the past.

"Whatever we do in the border area it should be constructive. That means it should be a building block for the process of negotiations not stumbling block," he said, replying to a question.

"If we find that clarification of the LAC is building block then we should go ahead. But if we find that it is a stumbling block it could complicate the situation further. We have to be careful," Huang, the Ministry's point man for India, told an Indian media delegation here on the outcome of Modi's three-day visit here last month.

"Our position is that we have to seek some kind of comprehensive measures, not only one measure to control and manage the border to ensure peace and tranquillity along the border. We can try and reach an agreement on the code of conduct," Huang said.

He said both countries still have some time to explore together. "There is no need to do only one thing. We have to do many things. We have to seek comprehensive approach to this," he said.

Pressed further on why China has reservations on the LAC clarification, which Modi stated will help both sides to know their positions, Huang said it was tried few years ago but ran into difficulties.

"We tried to clarify some years ago but it encountered some difficulties, which led to even complex situation. That is why whatever we do we should make it more conducive to peace and tranquility for making things easier and not to make them complicated," he said.

China says the border dispute is confined only to 2,000 kms mostly in Arunachal Pradesh, but India asserts that the dispute covered the western side of the border spanning to about 4,000 kms, especially the Aksai Chin area annexed by China in 1962 war.

The two sides have held 18 rounds of Special Representative talks to resolve the issue.

China wants one more agreement! The latest, BDCA, has been observed more in the breach by China and yet it suggests a Code of Conduct. Salman Kurshid, led us to believe that the BDCA “rationalizes all the existing arrangements”. We saw the after effects when Xi Jinping visited India. Arun Jaitley announced in the Parliament in August, 2014 that even after signing the BDCA which expressly prohibits tailing, the PLA tailed an Indian Army unit on June 2, 2014 in Eastern Ladakh. OTOH, the ASEAN countries have been demanding a CoC in SCS and China has been delaying and delaying that.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 04 Jun 2015 14:52

China supports Pakistan for NSG membership - Dawn
China has extended its support to Pakistan for its membership of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG).

“China has noted Pakistan's aspirations for NSG membership. Pakistan has taken steps towards its mainstreaming into the global non-proliferation regime. We support Pakistan's engagement with the NSG,” Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said. “We support Pakistan’s engagement with the NSG, and hope such efforts could be conducive to the authority and effectiveness of international non-proliferation regime,” she said.

To a question, Chunying said that the NSG was an important component of the international non-proliferation regime. It is the long-standing consensus of the international community that the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT) is the cornerstone of the regime. She said that the recently concluded Ninth NPT Review Conference has reaffirmed this consensus.

On account of this, the NSG has so far regarded the status of the NPT state as a crucial standard to accept new member state. The spokesperson went on to say that in fact, besides Pakistan, there are other non NPT states who have expressed similar aspirations. This raises an issue to the international community, that is, whether non NPT states are in the position to join the NSG. “We wish to strengthen communication and coordination with Pakistan,” she said.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Tuvaluan » 04 Jun 2015 22:23

@NMenonRao
#IndiaandChina need to understand the #NashEquilibrium to solve their border problems rationally and for mutual benefit.


A zero-sum game Nash Equilibrium at this stage, essentially implies handing over AP to China in exchange for exactly what?, your honourable excellenciness. china has usurped territory illegally and its demands at this time is territory under sovereign Indian control. How exactly is there a "nash equilibrium" here in the land border, short of giving into china's demands on Indian territory? If one can't do the math behind these concepts, one is liable to come up with fancy sounding nonsense that does not translate to reality, even if it is done in comemmoration of Nash's recent passing.

Clearly, these IFS types harbour the notion that China can be reasoned with, which is quite astounding given that they have decades of chinese behavior to observe (where talk is not in sync with action), including the most recent refusal to demarcate boundaries and instead come up with a useless code of conduct that the chinese can deniably violate at will.

The solution for the "border problems" and the floating boundary shenanigans of the Chinese includes pressure points in the SCS and any other pressure points, in order for the zero-sum game to work out. There is no solution that does not involve losing territory to the chinese, if the problem is limited entirely to the land boundary with china. Towards that end, China's claim over Tibet must be challenged before we start negotiating with the chinese.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 05 Jun 2015 11:50

US suspects China in government data breach - AP
China-based hackers are suspected of breaking into the computer networks of the US government personnel office and stealing identifying information of at least 4 million federal workers, American officials said.

The Department of Homeland Security said on June 5 in a statement that data from the Office of Personnel Management and the Interior Department had been compromised.

"The FBI is conducting an investigation to identify how and why this occurred," the statement said.

The hackers were believed to be based in China, said Senator Susan Collins, a Maine Republican.


Collins, a member of the Senate intelligence committee, said the breach was "yet another indication of a foreign power probing successfully and focusing on what appears to be data that would identify people with security clearances.''

A spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Washington called such accusations "not responsible and counterproductive.''

"Cyberattacks conducted across countries are hard to track and therefore the source of attacks is difficult to identify,'' spokesman Zhu Haiquan said. He added that hacking can "only be addressed by international cooperation based on mutual trust and mutual respect.'' {So, China seems to be confident that its hackers have covered their tracks well.}


A US official, who declined to be named because he was not authorized to publicly discuss the data breach, said it could potentially affect every federal agency. One key question is whether intelligence agency employee information was stolen. Former government employees are affected as well.

"This is an attack against the nation,'' said Ken Ammon, chief strategy officer of Xceedium, who said the attack fit the pattern of those carried out by nation states for the purpose of espionage. The information stolen could be used to impersonate or blackmail federal employees with access to sensitive information, he said.

The Office of Personnel Management is the human resources department for the federal government, and it conducts background checks for security clearances. The OPM conducts more than 90% of federal background investigations, according to its website.

The agency said it is offering credit monitoring and identity theft insurance for 18 months to individuals potentially affected. The National Treasury Employees Union, which represents workers in 31 federal agencies, said it is encouraging members to sign up for the monitoring as soon as possible.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 05 Jun 2015 12:52

Abe wants G-7 to spell out opposition to muscle-flexing by China - Japan Times
Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is looking to confirm the Group of Seven major countries’ opposition to China’s controversial island-building in the South China Sea, when G-7 leaders meet in Elmau, Germany, Sunday and Monday, according to sources.

The G-7 leaders are expected to express concerns about attempts to change the status quo by force, in a statement to be issued after their discussions, the sources said.


Japan is working together with the United States and others to ensure that any actions that could raise tensions are restrained, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga said at a press conference Thursday.

The G-7 groups Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the United States.

The conflict in Ukraine will also be discussed at the G-7 summit. Abe, who is scheduled to hold talks with Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko just before the G-7 meeting, plans to tell his G-7 counterparts that Japan will work hard to settle the situation there, the sources said.

Abe is scheduled to meet with Poroshenko in Kiev Saturday, becoming the first Japanese prime minister to visit Ukraine. Abe plans to urge Ukraine to fully implement its cease-fire agreement with pro-Russian rebels while pledging his country’s continued support to economic development there.

The G-7 leaders are also expected to exchange views about the planned Chinese-led Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank. Abe plans to ask the G-7′s four European members, which are set to become founding AIIB members, to ensure the bank’s transparency and good governance.

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Postby vijaykarthik » 05 Jun 2015 14:40

Tuvaluan wrote: Towards that end, China's claim over Tibet must be challenged before we start negotiating with the chinese.


I will propose that they add more. Add Xinjiang to the mix. That territory is suspect too. Besides, keep the action on 2 fronts and frustrate them enough so they will give up on one atleast.

For China, ideally work on a 6 pronged strategy. If that's too difficult, atleast settle for 2. But look at a multi pronged strategy v aggressively. They can be quelled only by action on multiple fronts.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

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Postby Sid » 05 Jun 2015 17:04

IMHO China seems to be expanding a little early then they should have. They have the economic clout but no muscles to back it up yet.

This situation is creating imbalance and insecurity which US and Europeans will take benefit from. Moreover this new trans Atlantic trade deal will be used to check China, but thats my opinion.

With Russia already nurtured and engaged in regional conflict that will keep them busy for years to come, China is next.

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Postby ShauryaT » 05 Jun 2015 17:30

Sid wrote:IMHO China seems to be expanding a little early then they should have. They have the economic clout but no muscles to back it up yet.

This situation is creating imbalance and insecurity which US and Europeans will take benefit from. Moreover this new trans Atlantic trade deal will be used to check China, but thats my opinion.

With Russia already nurtured and engaged in regional conflict that will keep them busy for years to come, China is next.
I tend to agree, Mr. She is flexing a little too early. To reclaim their natural zone of dominance, they would have to push the US back from the region and it is not going to happen soon. I think there is a way they can do it, especially by leveraging their clout using the ethnic Chinese in the region in various countries in the pacific rim. The only tough nut to crack would be Japan. Korea and Inodoesia are key to PRC to start with to secure their servitude completely and entirely. They have a long way to go. Counter strategies are to mire PRC into a regional conflict, but I think better would be to stir internal issues. That is the real weak point of China. I have long maintained China's real enemy is "democracy".
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Postby vijaykarthik » 05 Jun 2015 21:03

Sid wrote:IMHO China seems to be expanding a little early then they should have. They have the economic clout but no muscles to back it up yet.

This situation is creating imbalance and insecurity which US and Europeans will take benefit from. Moreover this new trans Atlantic trade deal will be used to check China, but thats my opinion.

With Russia already nurtured and engaged in regional conflict that will keep them busy for years to come, China is next.


Are you talking about the trans-atlantic or the trans-pacific? IIRC, TPP is moving at a faster pace. The TTIP is moving at a slower pace.

Since you are talking about the Chinese, I am assuming you are talking about the former [TPP].

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby harbans » 05 Jun 2015 22:03

All these articles by so called China experts of Ball being placed in China's court by Modi because he has gone for all out economic ties is pure and simple hogwash and time pass to get positions and chairs in future. Modi hasn't turned any tables or balls in China's court. What matters is the claims put forward. China's claims are pretty straightforward. They are disputing territory that is in India. India has no claims. Its playing from the backfoot only, while China plays both back, front and good length spots. We have restricted our abilities. China experts in India should be mass sacked.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Tuvaluan » 07 Jun 2015 23:45

Chinese muslims get freedom and democracy under chinese leadership

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/is-this-chinese-grandfather-iraq-isis-oldest-jihadi/20150605.htm

Amin says he decided to join the ISIS after watching a video of his son being killed in Syria. This grandfather is believed to be one of Islamic State's oldest jihadis.

In the propaganda video released by ISIS, Amin is interviewed by another IS member in a green field and inside a school run by the terrorist organisation. The chilling video also features a young Uighur boy singing an Arabic song praising martyrdom, while another issues a warning to the Chinese. 'O Chinese kaffar (non-believers), know that we are preparing in the land of the khilafah (caliphate) and we will come to you and raise this flag in Turkestan with the permission of Allah,' says a child looking into the camera.

Giving reasons for his decision to join the ISIS, Amin tells the interviewer, 'I was subjected to oppression in Turkestan at the hands of the Chinese... for 60 years.'


This is another Chinese pressure point that is yet to be utilized.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 08 Jun 2015 05:29

LAC differences may stall India-China CBMs - Atul Aneja, The Hindu
The China-India track on a possible new round of Confidence Building Measures (CBMs) is expected to see a contest between New Delhi’s insistence on the clarification of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) and Beijing’s focus on the elaboration of a “code of conduct” among border troops.

Diplomatic sources told The Hindu that the resumption of the clarification of the LAC, which was publicly raised by Prime Minister Narendra Modi during his China visit last month, is one of the core objectives of the CBM process.

“It was formally documented in the Peace and Tranquility accord that was signed in 1993 in the backdrop of friction such as the one caused during the Wandung incident of 1986 in Arunachal Pradesh. Neither side wanted a repeat of such an eventuality,” the sources said.

The sources pointed out that the spirit behind LAC clarification, which was raised by Mr. Modi, is to prevent inadvertent incidents along the border.

“Unless we have a reliable reference point, which a clarified LAC would provide, there is always a danger of inadvertent border incidents on the ground or in the air” the sources observed.

The Prime Minister had stated during his visit that LAC clarification would not prejudice the final boundary agreement between the two sides. The Special Representatives of the two countries, on a separate track, are engaged in a lengthy process of negotiations to define the final frontiers between India and China.

India’s reassertion on LAC clarification follows observations by Huang Xilian, a senior official in the Asia department of the Chinese foreign ministry.

In an interaction with a visiting Indian delegation on Wednesday, Mr. Huang had signalled China’s preference of deepening the code of conduct regime between the two countries over the LAC clarification process.

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Postby SSridhar » 08 Jun 2015 05:44

Code of conduct is in place, focus on LAC clarification, Beijing told - Atul Aneja, The Hindu
The Special Representatives of India and China are engaged in a lengthy process of negotiations to define the final frontiers between the two countries. India’s reassertion on the need to clarify the Line of Actual Control (LAC) follows observations by Huang Xilian, a senior official in the Asia department of the Chinese foreign ministry that India and China had “tried to clarify (the LAC) some years ago but we encountered some difficulties which led to even complex situation”. On the contrary, the Chinese official seemed to favour the expansion of the “code of conduct” along the borders.

But countering this observation, the sources said that the code of conduct has already been fully elaborated in the CBM protocol along the LAC that was signed by the two sides on April 11, 2005. “The wide ranging protocol covers all the conceivable contingencies that may arise and ways to address them,” the sources observed.

For instance the protocol — a detailed elaboration of the 1996 CBM accord — limits the size and orientation of military exercises along the LAC, details the protocol that needs to be followed in case of an alleged air intrusion, including a flag meeting within 48 hours of the incident, and prescribes a code of conduct in case of an eventuality of eye-ball to eye-ball military contact in the LAC area.

The sources stressed that the Chinese side was committed to LAC clarification in the documents signed between September 1993 to November 2006, but for some “explicable’ reason have not endorsed the process on paper since 2008
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1996 Accord

The sources said that the LAC clarification process had fully commenced following the 1996 CBM accord where there was an agreement to exchange maps indicating the “respective perceptions” of the two sides regarding “the entire alignment of the LAC as soon as possible”.

The Middle Sector process of clarification was broadly completed, but problems arose in clarifying the Western Sector.

According to an understanding that had been previously reached, the Eastern Sector clarification was to subsequently commence, but the entire process has since been stalled.


The Chinese designs on Ladakh, GB and the rest of POK possibly stopped them with proceeding with the LAC clarification in the western sector.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby A_Gupta » 08 Jun 2015 09:24

Apparently in China, before WW2 and before Chiang Kai Shek, there was a saying: "Rather die in a god-sent fire than make friends with Muslims".

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 09 Jun 2015 06:28

China’s actions cause for concern: Australia - Suhasini Haidar, The Hindu
India, Japan and Australia discussed concerns over Chinese reclamation in the South China Sea, and hoped a “code of conduct” would be agreed to between China and the ASEAN countries to calm tensions in the region. {The Chinese are very adept at taking you in circles diplomatically with worthless documents with weird and long-winded titles. The ASEAN and the Chinese agreed to develop a CoC as early as c. 2002. Though the ASEAN has been pushing for this, the Chinese are reluctant to go ahead. In the Brunei ASEAN meet in c. 2013, the ASEAN were determined to push China further. They came out with a new agreement! Implementation of the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DoC). The DoC was a prelude to the formal Code of Conduct (CoC). Very reminiscent of what they have been doing with us. Political Parameters and Guiding Principles agreement etc.}

Speaking to The Hindu , Australia’s top diplomat Peter Varghese, in Delhi for the first India-Japan-Australia high-level trilateral talks, said: “It’s the pace and the scale of China’s reclamation which is causing some anxiety in the region.”

At the recently concluded Shangri-La dialogue in Singapore, Defence officials from across the world sparred over the issue, as U.S. Defence Secretary Ashton Carter accused China of amassing 2,000 acres in the seas, “more than ever in history” and of causing “regional tensions” by its actions.

While India has made no comment so far on the reclamation, the government has voiced concerns several times on what it sees as China’s restrictions on freedom of movement.

Mr. Varghese denied that the trilateral meeting in Delhi at this time could be considered an “anti-China front,” saying, “This is not a meeting directed at anyone. We are three countries with a lot to do bilaterally, and we see benefit in cooperation.”

India and Australia also kicked off discussions on their first bilateral naval exercises on Monday in Perth.

Mr. Varghese will meet NSA Ajit Doval in Delhi on Tuesday, and as Australia’s key trade and economic negotiator is expected to hold several meetings in Delhi at Commerce Ministry and DIPP

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Postby SSridhar » 09 Jun 2015 07:10

NSCN(K) move at behest of elements in China? - Devesh K Pandey, The Hindu
Indian agencies have a strong suspicion that NSCN(K) unilaterally pulled out of a ceasefire agreement with the Indian government in March at the instance of some elements in China. Since then, the insurgent group has carried out several acts of violence.

According to MHA sources, Paresh Baruah of ULFA (I) was instrumental in bringing together several insurgent groups operating in the North-East States. Accordingly, the United Liberation Front of Western South East Asia comprising ULFA (I), NDFB (Songbijit) and other outfits was floated in April, under the chairmanship of NSCN (K) chief S.S. Khaplang.

“Baruah had twice attempted to bring together the insurgent groups. This time round, he contacted Khaplang and convinced him to rope in other like-minded insurgent groups to target Indian security forces. Assured of support from some elements in China, he went ahead with the plan,” said an official.

Intelligence inputs suggest that Baruah has been shifting base between Ruili and Kunming in the Yunnan province of China.

It is suspected that the insurgent groups, which have set up camps in the thickly forested areas of Myanmar, have been getting weapon supplies from a factory of assault rifles being run at Pangwa in the Kachin province of Myanmar, close to the Chinese border.

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Postby SSridhar » 09 Jun 2015 12:08

China’s actions cause for concern: Australia - Suhasini Haidar, The Hindu
Speaking to The Hindu, Australia’s top diplomat Peter Varghese, who is in Delhi for the first India-Japan-Australia high-level trilateral talks, confirmed the discussion on regional security had included concerns over the South China Sea.

Q: You’re here for the first India Japan Australia secretary-level trilateral. Tell us what was discussed, given that this was in the pipeline for years, but India has been a little hesitant to schedule the talks.

A:It is an idea we have been discussing for some time in all three countries. We see it as a natural progression, given the way our interests across strategic and economic issues have been converging. So we are looking at what happens in the region and beyond, and that was the focus of this first meeting. This is a very significant time in the region’s history, we have a churn occurring, and an economic story which is successful. We do have a strategic challenge in the region as well.

Q:When you say the word “churn”, we are seeing concern expressed around the world, especially by the US on China’s reclamation of islands in the South China Sea. Were those discussed?

A:Yes, it’s a concern that many of us have, Australia included. It’s the pace and the scale of China’s reclamation which is causing some anxiety in the region. This is something we’ve expressed publicly, and ASEAN countries as well. We all want to see a China that is constructive, we want to see these territorial issues handled in a way that doesn’t create instability and heightened tensions. The rule of law, peaceful resolution, avoiding unilateral actions that could be seen as intimidatory are a part of that. We would encourage China and the ASEAN states to reach an agreement on a code of conduct.

Q:And that was discussed at the trilateral today?

A:We talked about the regional security environment and we did talk about what was happening in the South China Sea.

Q:China has rejected these allegations, accusing many countries of a double standard. Is there a danger that a trilateral of this kind being held at this time could be seen as a front against China?

A:If it were, it would be a misperception. This is not a meeting directed at anyone. We are three countries with a lot to do bilaterally, and we see benefit in cooperation.

Q:India and Australia are also undertaking naval exercises at present…could this also become a trilateral with Japan?

A:We aren’t looking at that right now. Let us remember we have dialogue and exercises with many countries, including China actually. So there are many bilateral and multilateral arrangements, and we need more intensified contacts.

Q:Given that is the India-US-Japan-Australia quadrilateral on the agenda?

A:Well not right now. The quad did exist for a period. But then it ended. So we are focussing on trilaterals instead.

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Postby vijaykarthik » 09 Jun 2015 15:06

SSridhar wrote:NSCN(K) move at behest of elements in China? - Devesh K Pandey, The Hindu
Indian agencies have a strong suspicion that NSCN(K) unilaterally pulled out of a ceasefire agreement with the Indian government in March at the instance of some elements in China. Since then, the insurgent group has carried out several acts of violence.

According to MHA sources, Paresh Baruah of ULFA (I) was instrumental in bringing together several insurgent groups operating in the North-East States. Accordingly, the United Liberation Front of Western South East Asia comprising ULFA (I), NDFB (Songbijit) and other outfits was floated in April, under the chairmanship of NSCN (K) chief S.S. Khaplang.

“Baruah had twice attempted to bring together the insurgent groups. This time round, he contacted Khaplang and convinced him to rope in other like-minded insurgent groups to target Indian security forces. Assured of support from some elements in China, he went ahead with the plan,” said an official.

Intelligence inputs suggest that Baruah has been shifting base between Ruili and Kunming in the Yunnan province of China.

It is suspected that the insurgent groups, which have set up camps in the thickly forested areas of Myanmar, have been getting weapon supplies from a factory of assault rifles being run at Pangwa in the Kachin province of Myanmar, close to the Chinese border.


This is something that always puzzled me. I still cant think of any sane reason why any warring faction will not be able to have a ceasefire agreement with 2 different countries at the same time. Lets remember that the timing, the vagueness and most of the facts point to an external influence. Ideally China.

By my last count, KIA and The Rakhine army wasn't ready to sign the NCCT draft. Lest we forget, the KIA has a fair bit of the Hans amongst themselves and Chinese generals have been found guilty of supporting the KIA. Though officially on paper, China never does support any faction and always wants peace to prevail and expects the parties to work out a mutually beneficial deal together etc etc... just like the nonsense that they give dish out reg the India-Pak story.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 09 Jun 2015 16:45

G-7 declaration airs concern on sea rows - Yomiuri Shimbun
Leaders of the Group of Seven nations expressed concern over growing tensions in the East and South China seas in a declaration issued Monday to wrap up the summit in Elmau, Germany.

With an eye on China’s recent maritime actions, the declaration said, “We strongly oppose the use of intimidation, coercion or force, as well as any unilateral actions that seek to change the status quo, such as large-scale land reclamation.”


The G-7 declaration said the member states were determined to further strengthen unity in tackling various issues based on the values of freedom, democracy, “the rule of law” and respect for human rights.

On growing tensions in the East and South China seas, the declaration underlined “the importance of peaceful dispute settlement as well as free and unimpeded lawful use of the world’s oceans.”

The statement strongly denounced attempts to change the status quo, with the aim of putting the brakes on China’s reclamation work of rock reefs in the South China Sea.


Points of G-7 summit declaration

■ Rules-based order in the maritime domain should be maintained based on the principles of international law. We strongly oppose any unilateral actions that seek to change the status quo, such as large-scale land reclamation.

■ The importance of freedom, peace and territorial integrity, as well as respect for international law and human rights should be emphasized.

■ Efforts will be made to finalize TPP negotiations as soon as possible and to reach agreement in principle on the EU-Japan FTA/EPA by year’s end. High-quality infrastructure investment will be promoted.


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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Jarita » 09 Jun 2015 21:23

harbans wrote:All these articles by so called China experts of Ball being placed in China's court by Modi because he has gone for all out economic ties is pure and simple hogwash and time pass to get positions and chairs in future. Modi hasn't turned any tables or balls in China's court. What matters is the claims put forward. China's claims are pretty straightforward. They are disputing territory that is in India. India has no claims. Its playing from the backfoot only, while China plays both back, front and good length spots. We have restricted our abilities. China experts in India should be mass sacked.



We don't have china experts in India. The minimal qualification should be that they should know Mandarin and Cantonese let alone 50 other dialects.
They are pretend experts and we need to invest in China desk now

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Postby vijaykarthik » 09 Jun 2015 21:37

^umm. nothing of that exact sort. Yeah, translation does matter and all that... But we could potentially have ones who don't understand the Mandarin aspect too. China has been shameless enough to show itself up on multiple occasions, to show its true hand. Not too difficult, really, to make it out.

Doubt it? I don't think SSridhar knows Mandarin [does he?]. I sure don't. Not that I understand the Chinese totally... but one gets the idea.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Suraj » 09 Jun 2015 23:35

There are major differences between Chinese and English language sites of the same Chinese news sources. Anyone assuming they're getting everything from the Chinese site, in the English version, is mistaken. Huanqiu / Global Times is a good barometer. It's a tabloid version of People's Daily, under their state control. The English site is benign, while the Chinese site is fire and brimstone:
English site
Chinese original site
If you want to read how they think, run the Chinese site through a translator. The output is fairly readable.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 10 Jun 2015 04:04

Jarita wrote:
harbans wrote:All these articles by so called China experts of Ball being placed in China's court by Modi because he has gone for all out economic ties is pure and simple hogwash and time pass to get positions and chairs in future. Modi hasn't turned any tables or balls in China's court. What matters is the claims put forward. China's claims are pretty straightforward. They are disputing territory that is in India. India has no claims. Its playing from the backfoot only, while China plays both back, front and good length spots. We have restricted our abilities. China experts in India should be mass sacked.



We don't have china experts in India. The minimal qualification should be that they should know Mandarin and Cantonese let alone 50 other dialects.
They are pretend experts and we need to invest in China desk now

You are quite right about the lack of Chinese experts in India and the need to invest in the same. Of course, knowing the Chinese languages and dialects could help. But, this lack of language-knowledge is always the case among experts who analyze other countries. How many foreign analysts of India know Indian languages? Besides, actions of a country speak louder than words.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Tuvaluan » 10 Jun 2015 05:39

SSridhar wrote:Besides, actions of a country speak louder than words.


Exactly, sir. I have noticed that the more people learn the language, or make a few visits to China, they start to believe in some fantasy that they can read the chinese better than those who are watching chinese actions and ignoring their words, and more often than not, these watchers are falling for the same disinformation that the chinese govt. which willfully feeds its own citizens. One prevalent thread of thought among such people is the belief that the more they understand the internal politicking between PLA generals and CCP honchos, when the reality is that "me against my brother, me and my brother against the village....etc." type mentality is not restricted just to the arabs but to Chinese and pakistanis as well. Just because there are apparent internal fissures, it does not mean that such fissures are viable for exploitation by outsiders.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Cosmo_R » 10 Jun 2015 06:29

"harbans wrote:
....Modi hasn't turned any tables or balls in China's court. What matters is the claims put forward. China's claims are pretty straightforward. They are disputing territory that is in India. India has no claims. ...

Actually IMHO (I am no China expert), what is happening is Modi has shown we can and will push back in Sri Lanka, Nepal (the earthquake response by India was a big eye opener for the PRC in terms of how close India/Nepal are and how they could not function on the ground) and the latest in Bangladesh.

I think we all underestimate how important religion and ethnicity are in people's minds. Buddhism and the longing of masses (even in PRC) for spirituality are crowbars to pry loose the people from their overlords. Sinkiang is another hotbed that can be exploited.

How can that work?

Example: "BJP's SS Ahluwalia comes in for special mention - the sight of a turbaned MP, speaking eloquently and fluently in Bengali in parliament was a special experience to many here."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 561750.cms

Example: Indo-Tibetan MP speaks in Indian Parliament. Thanks India for the sanctuary and comfort, says the flame of hope still burns bright in the hearts of those who long for an independent Tibet with a parliament of her own. Some excerpts: "...the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."

Example: Indo-Uighur MoS gives an interview. Before coming to India, my parents thought of Pakistan and they said "We want dignity, what is normalcy?" before they lapsed into Uighur, talking excitedly about reports of Tibetans living in India, free from the fear of persecution, free to speak against the oppression of their people "back home."

"We can do more from India. India has welcomed Tibetans and we are similar". Would I ever be part of the government in China the way I am in India? he asks. My parents had coffee stained notes and maps with highlighted routes into India strewn over their table.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 206192.cms

Example: Afghanistan. Ditto

Example Myanmar. Ditto

Example: Baluchistan. Need little explanation. We can stand between the PRC and its silk road corridor.

Common theme: India is syncretic, diverse and inclusive. There is a place for you and a sanctuary from which you can keep your dream alive. The Han want you for (and as) lunch.

NaMo knows this. He did not wander around as a monk without figuring this out.

Clue coming up. Malabar exercises in fall. Japan and Oz are invited

JMT with lots of invention, zero insider knowledge, armchair insights guided by Jameson. :)

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 10 Jun 2015 10:24

Songbird may be eaten to extinction - AFP

Lions, tigers, rhinos, red sanders are all being drive to extinction by the ravenous Chinese. They are adept at destroying nature everywhere, especially in foreign countries.
A once abundant bird in Europe and Asia is being hunted to near extinction because of Chinese eating habits, according to a study.

The population of the yellow-breasted bunting has plunged by 90 percent since 1980, all but disappearing from eastern Europe, Japan and parts of Russia, said the study, published in the Conservation Biology journal.

Following initial population declines, China in 1997 banned the hunting of the species, known there as the “rice bird”.

However, millions of these songbirds were still being killed for food and sold on the black market as late as 2013, said the study.

It said consumption of these birds has increased as a result of economic growth and prosperity in East Asia, with an estimate in 2001 claiming one million buntings were consumed in China's Guangdong province alone. - AFP

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby panduranghari » 10 Jun 2015 12:30

I do not know if this is the correct thread for this. Please do move into appropriate one.



The Americans are trying to understand Modi, Abe and Jokovi(Indonesian President).


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