Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

ArjunPandit · Post by **ArjunPandit** » 20 Jul 2017 05:58

>>This is our Ussuri moment. Whatever happens, the global consensus on India and China will never again be the same as what it was before this summer.

Rudradevji,
That will only happen if we blow our trumpet too. Indian govt and media has been unusually calm about it. Here's what beacon of truth CNN has to say
Is CNN Chaineese News Network???

Some gems

"Evidently, while the Indian side is trying to create wiggle room for de-escalation, the nature of the Chinese response is not proving particularly helpful. De-escalation without one or another side losing face thus becomes harder," said Brookings India Fellow Dhruva Jaishankar.

As if we are begging for it

The dispute, however, comes at a time of steadily deteriorating ties between the two countries, with Chinese investment in Pakistan-administered Kashmir, an increasing Chinese naval presence in the Indian Ocean, and Chinese frustration with India's unwillingness to join its One Belt One Road development initiative as major points of contention.

Thankless SDREs not being grateful to theil future chinese masters

"So while the situation does not yet seem very severe, it could become so in the near future."
Time for us to do dhoti shiver

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 20 Jul 2017 06:04

Arjun Pandit ji, if we play our cards right, the same trumpets that are playing old familiar tunes now will learn new tunes before the year is over. It is not for GOI to blow trumpets until this thing is resolved.

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 20 Jul 2017 06:07

Educational series of tweets by Nitin Gokhale, one journo who IMO is really clued on what is happening. If you read this series of tweets in conjunction with stuff written by Ajai Shukla on his interpretation as to whether the Siliguri corridor is under threat or not, one really begins to wonder about the possible genius in this play by Ajit Doval!! Maybe that is why he had that half smile on his face when Modi was meeting Xi at the G20.

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Replying to @nktpnd @Rudra_81 and 2 others
My info (in my piece) is Chinese made 1st attempt end-May.Bhutanese stopped them;they pushed back Bhutanese at gunpoint. 5 Jun India came in

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My info:Indians not informed. Bhutanese told the Indians of the late May incident, so when they came back again, Indians stopped the Chinese

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My educated guess on Dolam, based on multiple conversations: 1. China has painted itself in a corner at Dolam so will needle India elsewhere

And when the Chinese construction party came back in early June, India had 2 bulldozers at the site alongwith the Indian military. Talk about being surprised!! Also that in Dolam it's a no go for China so they could take the initiative on another front where they may have a tactical advantage.

Over the next 6 months one should watch for movement on other issues such as NSG membership, Masood Azhar etc. irrespective of the terms on which Dolam is settled or not.

SriKumar · Post by **SriKumar** » 20 Jul 2017 06:13

Rudradev wrote:Arjun Pandit ji, if we play our cards right, the same trumpets that are playing old familiar tunes now will learn new tunes before the year is over. It is not for GOI to blow trumpets until this thing is resolved.

I agree. I think the (relative) silence from GOI on this is good.

The Chinese are huffing and puffing and going red in the face, GOI is just maintaining a studied silence on this, and following up with action on the ground- moving troops to forward locations, giving Army vice-chief financial power to make direct purchases, directing IAF to anticipate an intense war, having Dalai Lama visit Ladakh, unfurling of the Tibetian flag at the LAC (in full view of the Chinese troops I would assume), and there was something about celebrating Falun Gong in the news as well. Meanwhile, Modi is doing his foreign trips, electing presidents and vice-presidents in India, telling states to shape up on law/order, and in general, running the country. The average desi also does not seem worried or even concerned by China's fulminations. (Desi media and journalists are a different matter- and looking somewhat funny with their hand-wringing.).

This is perfect. It is as clear a statement to China (and the rest of the world) that India's stance is not shifting, and India's actions will do the talking. I see it as a sign of total confidence from GOI on its China stand.

amit · Post by **amit** » 20 Jul 2017 07:02

Rudradev wrote:Arjun Pandit ji, if we play our cards right, the same trumpets that are playing old familiar tunes now will learn new tunes before the year is over. It is not for GOI to blow trumpets until this thing is resolved.

+100

It is human nature that in confrontations it is the weaker party that starts squealing and calling the confrontation "unfair", "wrong" etc. It is the weaker party which tries to bring in third parties and bigger dadas into the picture to point out the "injustice" being meted out by the other party.

The other party, meanwhile, just does its thing and isn't really bothered about what others think. That's the way of human nature and to a large extent that's how countries also behave.

If you'd notice that when the US takes action overseas - mind you this not to endorse such action but just an observation - they don't care what the rest of the world would think. They also don't wait for global approval for their actions. Funnily enough, that's exactly the approach that China has taken in the South China Sea, pithily ignoring that international court ruling on its claims and going on to build its islands.

In this particular stand-off, it is China that is briefing foreign diplomats - this is exactly similar to Pakistan regularly taking diplomats to the frontline to show show much damage "unprovoked firing" from the indian side has done and how "unfair" it is. It is China that is daily threatening war through its pliant media and plants in international (including Indian) media.

And what is India doing? The foreign sec gave a few briefings sounding reasonable and calm - as diplomats should sound - assuring the world that a diplomatic solution would be found. Meanwhile, in a well-orchestrated series of moves, first the Army boss makes it clear that India is happy to fight a 2 and half front war, the Defence Minister reminds everyone that this is not 1962. Meanwhile a battery of retired Army folks as well as defence analysts are writing pieces which shorn of all the good details they put in is a reflection of the LoL moments the defence circles in India are having with all the verbose propaganda being issued. Along the way they are also giving details of the amount of force that India has ready in hand - in other words describing the length and breadth of the danda that Indian jawans are carrying to present to their Hand briathers in case they come on a house visit.

I dunno why folks here and elsewhere think the Indian government's stance has been bad in this case. I would say it's been an amazing display of professionalism to a level that hasn't been seen in GoI for a long time. This is the handiwork of a confident administration.

JMT

PS: Rudradev ji, your point about this being India's first drawing a line in the sand over its area of influence moment is a very astute observation. I think the brouhaha on China's part is because this came as a bolt from the blue and they don't what hit them and are confused about how to react.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Jul 2017 07:20

ramana wrote:What is the correct spelling?

Dokhlam or Doakalam or Doklam La?

Most probably Doka La

Rohit Vats blog has some pointers
http://vatsrohit.blogspot.in/2017/07/do ... l?spref=tw

The plateau in question now has 2 passes on the Indian side called Doka La and Batang La which are both watched by the Army. The Chinese have come up from the Bhutan side via Sinche la and they seem to refer to the area as "Donglang"

The town we call Chumbi is called Yatung or Yadong by the Cheeniporkis. The Chumbi river valley is the Amo Chu river valley where Chumbi/Yadong sits. That river forms the Bhutan-Tibet border south of Chumbi

Doklam is completely different. It is an area of Bhutan that China disputes that is north-eat of the current area.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 20 Jul 2017 07:27

SriKumar wrote:
Rudradev wrote:Arjun Pandit ji, if we play our cards right, the same trumpets that are playing old familiar tunes now will learn new tunes before the year is over. It is not for GOI to blow trumpets until this thing is resolved.
I agree. I think the (relative) silence from GOI on this is good.

The Chinese are huffing and puffing and going red in the face, GOI is just maintaining a studied silence on this, and following up with action on the ground- moving troops to forward locations, giving Army vice-chief financial power to make direct purchases,

CHI HSING TZU WAS A TRAINER OF FIGHTING COCKS FOR KING HSUAN. HE WAS TRAINING
A FINE BIRD. THE KING KEPT ASKING IF THE BIRD WERE READY FOR COMBAT.

'NOT YET', SAID THE TRAINER. 'HE IS FULL OF FIRE. HE IS READY TO PICK A FIGHT WITH
EVERY OTHER BIRD. HE IS VAIN AND CONFIDENT OF HIS OWN STRENGTH'.

AFTER TEN DAYS HE ANSWERED AGAIN: 'NOT YET. HE FLARES UP WHEN HE HEARS
ANOTHER BIRD CROW'.

AFTER TEN MORE DAYS: 'NOT YET. HE STILL GETS THAT ANGRY LOOK AND RUFFLES HIS
FEATHERS'.

AGAIN TEN DAYS. THE TRAINER SAID: 'NOW HE IS NEARLY READY. WHEN ANOTHER BIRD
CROWS, HIS EYE DOES NOT EVEN FLICKER. HE STANDS IMMOBILE LIKE A COCK OF WOOD.

HE IS A MATURE FIGHTER. OTHER BIRDS WILL TAKE ONE LOOK AT HIM AND RUN'.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 20 Jul 2017 07:37

Root cause has been identified why Chinese now can't illegally grab Bhutanese land....those bloody Yindoo Nationalist again (and needless to say it is Modi's fault).

Hindu nationalism risks pushing India into war with China

China has mastered the art of low cost production to such a level of perfection that it is now fighting war with India through GlobalTimes.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Jul 2017 07:38

The Chinese, sitting in the town of Chumbi in the Chumbi river valley at 2900 meters have trekked up along the valley that forms part of the border with Bhutan and then climbed up a zig-zag path on a forested slope to the Sinch-La pass at the edge of the Do Kala plateau at 4500 meters altitude and have entered Bhutan (the plateau) from there. There is no human habitation there and there is absolutely no reason for the Chinese to enter other than to grab territory

The Chinese need to understand that Indians have a need to take revenge for 1962. We are waiting to hurt them and hurt them badly. Let the old buggers in Beijing know that a lot of Chinese parents are going to see dead bodies of their only sons.

DrRatnadip · Post by **DrRatnadip** » 20 Jul 2017 08:12

India denies Chinese media claim of 'troop mobilization' in Tibet
Rajat Pandit & Saibal Dasgupta |

NEW DELHI/BEIJING: There has been no major troop mobilization by China towards the Line of Actual Control in the entire stretch from Ladakh to Arunachal Pradesh, nor have recent military exercises conducted by the People's Liberation Army (PLA) in Tibet raised "any red flags" in the Indian security establishment till now, say official Indian sources.
This comes after reports in the Chinese media claimed that the PLA is making battle preparations by moving large quantities of military equipment and vehicles closer to the Sikkim border in Tibet.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 20 Jul 2017 08:15

India too should show up for land grabbing all along the border, wherever we can. The Chinese analyst and policy experts who come on various TV shows are such pompous asses that they claim China has every right to construct border roads. But in this case, they are already up on the plateau and nowhere to go - but they want to build another road further southwards on the plateau, which is what Bhutan has opposed and asked India's help when they got pushed around.

Why would they want to build a road southwards, other than to grab another ridge towards that direction and extend the boundary in the valley below further south. But they keep lying on TV and toe their government's line largely. Hence it is time to do some reverse land grab to teach them a lesson. Chumbi valley is ripe for that and an advantage to both India and Bhutan to grab it...and saving the Doklam plateau to the Northeast of the tri-junction too from Chinese claws.

atamjeetsingh · Post by **atamjeetsingh** » 20 Jul 2017 08:22

chola wrote:
g.sarkar wrote: Fake news from the lizard?
Gautam
As I suspected. No build up means no actual fight being pursued by Cheen.

I've been telling people here, the PRC won't fight. They haven't in 40 years and it had worked well for them. They want to change facts on the ground through intimidation or numbers. They are a trading/industrial not a military power.

With no war, this won't end. Take the SCS for example, they took over by manufactured persistence with more ships and fake islands than the other guys could muster.

I believe they will try to do this at Doka La. They will try to outlast us through the winter months and see if we can maintain a persistent presence just like in the SCS.

But we don't have to play their game. Maintaining the status quo won't help us in the long run. They have time and resources on their side. We need to fight to up end the status quo.

If they don't re-enforce then that is their business. We have no reason not to hit them with overwhelming numbers. It would be 1962 in full circle.

Everything is in place for a defining victory.

Let's roll!

Cholaji my take on this is status quo is beneficial to us. This will be our Siachen against China. Like in Siachen we are @ height and in firm control over here too we are at height from 2 sides one from Sikkim and other from Bhutanese side. There is nothing called unlimited resources. We are bleeding pakis in Siachen same can be done here @ Dokla. May not be as bad as it is for Pakis but for Chinese too it will be a costly affair to maintain 300-500 soldiers. Think about their base camp & supply line they have to maintain for Dokla. With every passing day it will be reminded to them that they(superpower in their thoughts) were stopped by SDREs.

BharataTalwar · Post by **BharataTalwar** » 20 Jul 2017 08:24

Does anyone else feel that Western msm are completely ignoring this opportunity to expose China for what they are? Why are they quiet about this? I have yet to find any major Western media or columnist cover this standoff in any meaningful way. It seems to indicate that they might stay neutral in the event of things kicking off between India and China. Its irking me how something so major can be ignored.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Jul 2017 08:26

Bade wrote:India too should show up for land grabbing all along the border, wherever we can. The Chinese analyst and policy experts who come on various TV shows are such pompous asses that they claim China has every right to construct border roads. But in this case, they are already up on the plateau and nowhere to go - but they want to build another road further southwards on the plateau, which is what Bhutan has opposed and asked India's help when they got pushed around.

Why would they want to build a road southwards, other than to grab another ridge towards that direction and extend the boundary in the valley below further south. But they keep lying on TV and toe their government's line largely. Hence it is time to do some reverse land grab to teach them a lesson. Chumbi valley is ripe for that and an advantage to both India and Bhutan to grab it...and saving the Doklam plateau to the Northeast of the tri-junction too from Chinese claws.

After staring at Google Earth images for hours on end it occurs to me that the Chinese have method in their madness. It seems to me that they see any area of land that is elevated like Tibet and connected to Tibet as belonging to them and they are trying to push everyone "off the edge" as it were - onto the slopes and beyond.

At some stage the Chinese do need a painful kick up their asses

If you look at Dokala - that is their game plan. The same is true for the Ladakh region. Exactly the same at Bum-La/ Tawang area. The same is also true in Uttarakhand in the Barahoti plain as shown in one of my videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_BK5BhemOo

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Jul 2017 08:27

BharataTalwar wrote:Does anyone else feel that Western msm are completely ignoring this opportunity to expose China for what they are? Why are they quiet about this? I have yet to find any major Western media or columnist cover this standoff in any meaningful way. It seems to indicate that they might stay neutral in the event of things kicking off between India and China. Its irking me how something so major can be ignored.

If the west do not like China - they see India as some turd world nation of blackies. Expect no support - though they will sell arms for money

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 20 Jul 2017 08:38

Bade wrote:India too should show up for land grabbing all along the border, wherever we can. The Chinese analyst and policy experts who come on various TV shows are such pompous asses that they claim China has every right to construct border roads. But in this case, they are already up on the plateau and nowhere to go - but they want to build another road further southwards on the plateau, which is what Bhutan has opposed and asked India's help when they got pushed around.

Why would they want to build a road southwards, other than to grab another ridge towards that direction and extend the boundary in the valley below further south. But they keep lying on TV and toe their government's line largely. Hence it is time to do some reverse land grab to teach them a lesson. Chumbi valley is ripe for that and an advantage to both India and Bhutan to grab it...and saving the Doklam plateau to the Northeast of the tri-junction too from Chinese claws.

If the hypothesis is correct that Chinese are trading/merchandise type and lack b@lls to fight a war (due to either lack of experience or will) then India's strategy should be to grab land by encroaching and nibbling along other key locations along the border.

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 20 Jul 2017 08:51

I do not think India is present at the Doklam plateau to the north-east of the tri-junction which is also a disputed area by the Chinese, but maybe it is time to make a move there too. Close down into Chumbi valley all around the tri-junction. Some roads will need to be constructed from the Bhutanese side to achieve those goals.

It is more fun to grab land and build roads without firing a shot, but just playing kabbadi

with Chinese soldiers while the PLA does firing drills 1000km away from the border. We can also do some preparatory firings and declare readiness to fight the ultimate war, while we keep grabbing more land here and there.

Shankas · Post by **Shankas** » 20 Jul 2017 08:55

Just remembered this statement by Modiji on International Pressure

khan · Post by **khan** » 20 Jul 2017 09:07

shiv wrote:The Chinese need to understand that Indians have a need to take revenge for 1962. We are waiting to hurt them and hurt them badly. Let the old buggers in Beijing know that a lot of Chinese parents are going to see dead bodies of their only sons.

Time for some badla

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 20 Jul 2017 09:25

China: Military Activity Increases Amid Border Dispute With India
https://worldview.stratfor.com/situatio ... pute-india

The Chinese Army has moved large quantities of military vehicles and supplies into the remote mountains of Tibet near the disputed Doklam Plateau trijunction border area with India and Bhutan, The Times of India and NDTV reported July 19. Over the last week, the Chinese military reportedly dispatched fighter jets to air bases in the Chinese Western Theater Command, and a mountain brigade conducted a live-fire exercise on the Tibetan Plateau. China is likely preparing its troops for any eventuality with India, as well as sending a message to New Delhi to back down on the Doklam dispute. The border spat began June 16 when Indian troops stopped Chinese soldiers from constructing roads on the Doklam Plateau.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 20 Jul 2017 09:26

Iyersan wrote:China: Military Activity Increases Amid Border Dispute With India
https://worldview.stratfor.com/situatio ... pute-india

The Chinese Army has moved large quantities of military vehicles and supplies into the remote mountains of Tibet near the disputed Doklam Plateau trijunction border area with India and Bhutan, The Times of India and NDTV reported July 19. Over the last week, the Chinese military reportedly dispatched fighter jets to air bases in the Chinese Western Theater Command, and a mountain brigade conducted a live-fire exercise on the Tibetan Plateau. China is likely preparing its troops for any eventuality with India, as well as sending a message to New Delhi to back down on the Doklam dispute. The border spat began June 16 when Indian troops stopped Chinese soldiers from constructing roads on the Doklam Plateau.

How good is STRATFOR ?

Bade · Post by **Bade** » 20 Jul 2017 09:27

As per CGTN reports as in their show called DIALOGUE, China is ready to throw the towel at Doka La, but keep insisting that India has to pull out as it is the intruder. They (ex Ambassador) are talking as if they own the territory. They almost admitted to not wanting a real war.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 20 Jul 2017 09:35

Border standoff: China rules out bilateral talks with India until Doklam impasse resolved
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indi ... 06376.html

Pulikeshi · Post by **Pulikeshi** » 20 Jul 2017 09:45

Iyersan wrote: How good is STRATFOR ?

Wrong question -
Right question - How good is Indian satellite surveillance in detecting any such moves by the Chinese?

Rajeev · Post by **Rajeev** » 20 Jul 2017 09:53

Just in case we do need to fight two and half front war in worst case scenario

Military strength of India, Pakistan and China: How do they fare?

http://indianexpress.com/photos/picture ... a-4757519/

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Jul 2017 09:56

TSP is slippery enough to avoid doing anything in Yemen where there is ZERO RISK to its homeland and elites.

you think TSP will start another front in support of china and risk that much?

like it or not, India is not going away as their neighbour .... so they will tread very lightly while making supportive noises.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 20 Jul 2017 10:16

Withdraw, capture or get killed: Former Chinese diplomat gives India 3 options on Doklam
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/dokl ... 06378.html

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 20 Jul 2017 10:26

The Chinese press in English is unnecessarily stoking conflict. Who's view do they represent? The PLA or politburo?

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 20 Jul 2017 10:45

Arjun Panditji,
Re Is CNN Chinese News Network???
Americans newspapers are taking care of American interest and Chinese are taking care of Chinese interest and so on, except some Indian papers are taking care of whoever is paying them.
I bring to BRF's attention this old article of Aug 1998, when ABV's letter was leaked:
http://www.ipcs.org/article/india-the-w ... s-131.html
Old games played over and over again, except India is much stronger today and Modiji is a better player.
Gautam

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 20 Jul 2017 11:02

Brahmans despise those who talk too much, the shastras inform the Chinese former diplomat.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 20 Jul 2017 11:07

BRF ahead of the curve again!
For donkey's 'ears,pun intended,I've been advocating renaming the South China Sea as the "Indo-China Sea",since the landmass that bounds it has been called Indo-China for centuries.While our eunuchs of the MEA in Delhi run around like headless chickens not wanting to disturb the Dragon's sleep,while it "sleepwalks"into Indian territory,night after night,the Indonesians and little Philippines too have shown that they're made of stronger mettle than our MEA.

Indonesia has renamed part of the Indo-China Sea/S.China Sea as the "North Natuna Sea",while the Philippines has done something similar with their renaming part as the West Philippines Sea".When these nations,infinitely weaker militarily whose uninhabited atolls have been forcibly taken over by the Chinese and turned into armed bases,have responded thus,mighty nuclear-weapons power India squeaks like a mouse! Shame! When will we too rename TIbet as "Independent Tibet" and the Indo-China Sea for what it truly is? For.Sec.Mr.Jai,ru listening? Can't expect muvh from him,he gave a poor and inadequate response of the MEA's handling of the crisis at the briefing to parliamentarians.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 288965.ece

Indonesia renames part of South China Sea
IANS JAKARTA:, JULY 16, 2017 12:43 IST

Indonesia will now refer to the northern areas of its exclusive economic zone in the South China Sea as the “North Natuna Sea” in an act of defiance against Beijing’s territorial ambitions in the region, the media reported.

At a press conference in Jakarta on Saturday, Deputy Minister for Marine Sovereignty Arif Havas Oegroseno unveiled a new map with the renamed territory, reports CNN.

“We need to continue updating the naming of the sea and report to the UN about the borders,” Oegroseno told Indonesia’s state-run news agency Antara.

“This [system] would allow the international community to know whose territory they pass through,” he added.

Part of the renamed area falls in China’s “nine-dash line” —— waters extending hundreds of miles to the south and east of China’s island province Hainan.

China claims the entirety of the sea, but Vietnam, Taiwan, the Philippines, Brunei and Malaysia all have competing territorial claims to parts that are near their respective shores, reports CNN.

Indonesia is not the first country to rename part of the South China Sea.

In 2011, the Philippines renamed the waters as the “West Philippine Sea” and two years later took the territorial dispute before an international tribunal at The Hague.

In July 2016, the tribunal ruled in favour of the Philippines, concluding that China has no legal basis to claim historic rights to the bulk of the South China Sea.

China responded by calling the ruling a farce.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 20 Jul 2017 11:27

Since China is ruling out bi-lateral talks until we "surrender",what's stopping us from having "talks" with Taiwan? WE should also send a pvt. message to Russia that China's belligerent and arrogant attitude towards India will fatally harm BRICS.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 20 Jul 2017 11:32

Philip wrote:Since China is ruling out bi-lateral talks until we "surrender",what's stopping us from having "talks" with Taiwan? WE should also send a pvt. message to Russia that China's belligerent and arrogant attitude towards India will fatally harm BRICS.

Russia will "advise" us to resolve all matters with China bilaterally, much like Unkil has done. If you think Russia will stand by our side when faeces hits the fan, I have a railway line stretching across Siberia to sell you.

sum · Post by **sum** » 20 Jul 2017 11:38

Philip wrote:Since China is ruling out bi-lateral talks until we "surrender",what's stopping us from having "talks" with Taiwan? WE should also send a pvt. message to Russia that China's belligerent and arrogant attitude towards India will fatally harm BRICS.

Cant see why Russia whill give a $%#^ about what happens between India and China and dont really see it coming anywhere close to helping India

Dumal · Post by **Dumal** » 20 Jul 2017 11:40

Iyersan wrote:Withdraw, capture or get killed: Former Chinese diplomat gives India 3 options on Doklam
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/dokl ... 06378.html

Can't believe these people call themselves diplomats. Of course, they march to the beats of the Commies and the PLA. But this is too funny!

I remember reading about some tribe in Africa or S America who bring down big, heavy trees by having a guy shout/scream at the tree all night and all day for several days, by when the tree pretty much dies. Of course they still have to cut it up etc. The Chinese must be thinking there could be a similar effect on us?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Jul 2017 12:11

the areas near laos,cambodia,vietnam should be renamed the Khmer Sea or something equivalent.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 20 Jul 2017 12:20

I've said it before,Indo-China Sea.Region was known as Indo-China,China cannot object becos its name is there...but has to share it with India,responsible for the culture of the ASEAN region.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 20 Jul 2017 12:35

Why not rename Artic ocean? Why stop at Indo-China sea?

Ok .. if Artic ocean is too far lets start with the Mediterranean.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 20 Jul 2017 12:51

http://www.sify.com/news/no-war-but-ski ... igebj.html
No war, but skirmishes with China cannot be ruled out
Calling the talk of war in the Chinese media as posturing, senior defence and strategic experts believe that India and China may not go for a full-scale war, but skirmishes cannot be ruled out. The heights of the Doklam Plateau are occupied by the tents with both the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) and the Indian Army soldiers digging in their heels to not clear off the area. The issues at the tri-junction of India, China and Bhutan elevating into a standoff, media reports constantly focussing on the words of war between the two countries have been coming. The Chinese state-backed 'Global Times' wrote, "If India stirs up conflicts in several spots, it must face the consequences of an allout confrontation with China along the entire LAC." Analysing the current situation defence and strategic experts consider it as posturing by China which may not lead to a full fledged war, but ingress by the Chinese Army in areas which they find vulnerable cannot be ruled out. Major General D.K. Mehta (Retd.) said the situation created by the Chinese PLA at the Doklam plateau is a part of psychological operation to pressurise India. Talking of the war scenario, Major General Mehta said it to be highly impossible as both nations have mature methods to handle matters. General Mehta considers if war takes place, then the advantage will lie with India due to its lower heights. In mountain warfare, the ratio to win the war is said to be 1:9, for one soldier, the enemy will have to field nine soldiers to overwhelm the attack. Yes, the Chinese can mobilise troops, add force for which the signature would be available as we now have a reasonably good all-weather systems in terms of satellite and the other surveillance capabilities. I am sure a very close watch would be on by us. While a war is ruled out, transgression can be the other method employed by China to pressurise India.
Major General B.K. Sharma cautions that the Chinese may create other trouble spots in order to compel India to withdraw from Doklam. Major General Sharma, Heading the Centre for Strategic Studies and Simulation (CS3) of the United Services Institution says that we should be ready for fabricated ingress in other regions by the Chinese as then they will start the policy of quid-pro-quo. He also sees no possibility of a full-blown war. Reinforcing the analysis of the Generals, sources, well aware with the Chinese border informed ANI that there have not been any significant movement of military forces in the Tibetan region in the last two months. He also added that for India the tipping point will be when there's a significant troop movement across the 11 bridges that join the northern parts of the 1,100 kilometers of Tsangpo with the southern part of Tibet. Line of Actual Control (LAC) is of 3,488 km long. China has deployed about 15-16 divisions along the Line of Actual Control starting from the Karakoram Pass up to the Arunachal Pradesh (LAC 3,488 km). This entire area comes under the Western Theatre Command of the Chinese People's Liberation Army. In case of the war, China can also move four to five divisions, which are stationed in the Xinjiang province, in the north of the Jammu and Kashmir, to cover the Ladakh sector. But, no unusual movement by the Chinese at the LAC since last two months. Talking to ANI, they explained it as Chinese tactics to pressurise India. Coming to the military infrastructure in Tibet, China has five operational air fields.
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Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 20 Jul 2017 12:56

pankajs wrote:Why not rename Artic ocean? Why stop at Indo-China sea?

Ok .. if Artic ocean is too far lets start with the Mediterranean.

What is the meaning of this post.