Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby ryogi » 28 Jul 2017 15:48

I was just asking this the other day:

I wonder what would happen if all kids leaving high school were somehow compelled to spend a year (or two) volunteering for a service of their choice, be it merchant navy, paramedics, policing, teaching, disaster relief or even religious.
Get out of the house, travel, learn to take care of yourself, maybe even earn money and manage it, perhaps even put yourself in harm's way.
I wonder how those kids would turn out.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby ryogi » 28 Jul 2017 15:50

Another though: we have a huge pool of (serving and retired) world-class merchant naval ratings and officers at sea in the world's merchant marine, perhaps a good resource to plan for.

Perhaps a naval reserve for when the Big One comes?
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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Singha » 28 Jul 2017 15:51

Thats what israel and singapore do

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Paul » 28 Jul 2017 15:55

Looks like problem solved....

A Nationalist‏ @Peacef_Warrior 2h2 hours ago

So both the Armies will pull back frm Doklam but PLAGF will go back to only 250 mts but Indian Army will go back to where they were
Bad Deal
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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby rsingh » 28 Jul 2017 15:55

Wechat app is most used social media in Tibet. Chinese great wall is unable to close it or monitor i. It updates itself very rapidly. Chinese are frustrated. They have resorted to cordoning off particular areas and checking all the mobiles. If sombody is found with wechat app, he/she is punished.
It is goldmine for some eyeetee exberts on BR. Do the needful. Spread the truth.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby ArjunPandit » 28 Jul 2017 15:58

Singha wrote:first Noko attached and pushed the south back to Pusan
then combined UN forces thrashed them back to pockets near chinese border
then china thrashed the UN and forced them back to evac by sea freeze the DMZ line

would be fascinating to know the chinese battle tactics and the major battles fought in this phase of the war.

why was the US with its uber powerful artillery divisions, navy and air force unable to crush the chinese advance ?

There is a khan style history channel documentary, Korean War: Fire & Ice. Saw it last year on mil hist channel. Following were key tactics
1. Surprise: Attack in freezing winter
2. Human waves after waves
3. Stealth/Camoflauge: Move in night, caught mcaurthur by surprise: he said to the president that chinese wont attack around the same time chinese were pouring in
4. McAurthur's Exuberence: He forgot that Chinese are not like Japanese and Germans fighting far away from their land with their production facilities intact. He thought they simply didnt have one. By the time he realized, he asked to nuke china and subsequently was asked to go. Dont remember exactly but US troops also hadnt stretched their supply lines too

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby ArjunPandit » 28 Jul 2017 16:00

Paul wrote:Looks like problem solved....

A Nationalist‏ @Peacef_Warrior 2h2 hours ago

So both the Armies will pull back frm Doklam but PLAGF will go back to only 250 mts but Indian Army will go back to where they were
Bad Deal
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If true, WTH!!! :x :x :oops: :evil:
Overreaction, let's wait for any official report to come out

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby JE Menon » 28 Jul 2017 16:23

kiranA wrote:Guys,

I think people wont like my post but I don't see this ending well for India. I am very confused by the positions of Indian government whereas chinese positions appear to be consistent and they seem to react with a righteous anger which is very good for the morale of t heir soldiers.

What is the message we are sending to India's soldiers ? that no injustice was really done to India ? How can this motivate the solider to be willing to sacrifice his life.
From wiki :
"Some Indian troops, including Brigadier Dalvi who commanded the forces at Thag La, were also concerned that the territory they were fighting for was not strictly territory that "we should have been convinced was ours""

Also China is marshaling world opinion to aid its soldiers with diplomat briefs whereas India hasn't held a single diplomat brief citing Bhutan "sensitivities" .

It seems Indian govt only weapon is to rely on the will power of Indian soldiers operating in the foreign country of Bhutan - its foreign department wont move a finger, its PM tweets birthday wishes to chinese premeir.

I dont believe India is playing anything serious here - it maneuvered in to a position which is not sustainable and doesnt know where to go now. I think small cabal took this decision like demon and I dont think foreign department was fully briefed.


I've just edited that for you so that people will like your post even less than you thought they might.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Venkarl » 28 Jul 2017 16:27

rsingh wrote:Wechat app is most used social media in Tibet. Chinese great wall is unable to close it or monitor i. It updates itself very rapidly. Chinese are frustrated. They have resorted to cordoning off particular areas and checking all the mobiles. If sombody is found with wechat app, he/she is punished.
It is goldmine for some eyeetee exberts on BR. Do the needful. Spread the truth.


please elaborate sir

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Dumal » 28 Jul 2017 16:33

ArjunPandit wrote:
Paul wrote:Looks like problem solved....


If true, WTH!!! :x :x :oops: :evil:
Overreaction, let's wait for any official report to come out


If true, we can't just measure how far each side goes and decide the winner of this round. What if we just created a 250-500mtr buffer zone through this and use the agreement to perpetuate it. What if through this we had stopped China from creeping into Bhutanese territory and set a lakshman-rekha. I think the numbers are there to maybe give China a little face-saving but their real gain may be not worth publicizing.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby chola » 28 Jul 2017 16:39

Dumal wrote:
ArjunPandit wrote:If true, WTH!!! :x :x :oops: :evil:
Overreaction, let's wait for any official report to come out


If true, we can't just measure how far each side goes and decide the winner of this round. What if we just created a 250-500mtr buffer zone through this and use the agreement to perpetuate it. What if through this we had stopped China from creeping into Bhutanese territory and set a lakshman-rekha. I think the numbers are there to maybe give China a little face-saving but their real gain may be not worth publicizing.



It won't just be just this. We are already talking about "partnership" with them which is nothing but concessions on the economic front. Watch for backdoor aquiescence on OBOR and chini imports.

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/brics-2017-india-talks-about-development-partnership-china-amidst-doklam-dispute-736312

Eh fvck it. Knew it would end in a whimper like this.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby fanne » 28 Jul 2017 16:44

lets see guys. Keep a hawk eye but do not give to rumours

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby pankajs » 28 Jul 2017 16:48

One tweet is all it takes to .... Chill

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby pankajs » 28 Jul 2017 17:09

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 803469.cms
Ajit Doval says 'outcome' at BRICS security meet will have an impact on summit
BEIJING: As the BRICS security meet began here in Beijing on Friday, Indias National Security Advisor Ajit Doval said the "vital" issues discussed at the event and its outcome will have an "impact" on the main summit in September.

"It is great we are discussing vital issues that will have an impact on the next summit meeting," Doval said at the 7th BRICS Meeting of High Representatives for Security Issues. He also said the bloc of five countries needs to show leadership in countering terrorism.

"The outcome of the meeting today will contribute to the forthcoming BRICS Summit meetings to be held in Xiamen in September," he added.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby rsingh » 28 Jul 2017 17:16

chola wrote:
Dumal wrote:
If true, we can't just measure how far each side goes and decide the winner of this round. What if we just created a 250-500mtr buffer zone through this and use the agreement to perpetuate it. What if through this we had stopped China from creeping into Bhutanese territory and set a lakshman-rekha. I think the numbers are there to maybe give China a little face-saving but their real gain may be not worth publicizing.



It won't just be just this. We are already talking about "partnership" with them which is nothing but concessions on the economic front. Watch for backdoor aquiescence on OBOR and chini imports.

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/brics-2017-india-talks-about-development-partnership-china-amidst-doklam-dispute-736312

Eh fvck it. Knew it would end in a whimper like this.


Wrong headline. No where it is said that we are talking about partnerships.It is customry to speak about peace and mutual respect at such forum. But wait for GOI's statement on this. Untill that all you hear is just Chinese wishful thinking.

BTW this India Today thing is getting more and more publicity.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby pankajs » 28 Jul 2017 17:22

Just as a exercise to understand the ground situation better let us take the tweet at face value

A Nationalist‏ @Peacef_Warrior 2h2 hours ago

So both the Armies will pull back frm Doklam but PLAGF will go back to only 250 mts but Indian Army will go back to where they were Bad Deal
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Has anyone tried to understand what it would mean on the ground if implemented?
Has anyone checked the map before commenting on the tweet? [note: I have not check the map after reading the tweet because I do not consider the tweet of any importance. I did check maps a couple of days back.]
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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby UlanBatori » 28 Jul 2017 17:27

AFAIK, what India demanded is for the Chinese to stop building the goat track any more. 250mts pullback does that, lesson conveyed. IA pulls back to the top of the ridge and :rotfl: at Chinese sitting in the valley waiting for it become a glacier in a couple of months. Why would IA want to be sitting inside the valley?

Lesson conveyed. U try building that road, we come down and make u :((

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby deejay » 28 Jul 2017 17:28

Road construction stops. Indian soldiers retreat into recesses of Bhutan while Bhutanese may/may not man these areas.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby UlanBatori » 28 Jul 2017 17:30

^^ Exactly.

As usual, some ppl want to convert victory into defeat and start bawling. :roll:

The point is also made that China is there illegally. That is for Bhutan to take up in UN, after which Bhutanese soldiers (like Crimean peasants) wearing balaclavas may undertake trekking patrols across the northern border of the Dhoklapuri plateau/valley. If those are challenged by PLA, well... IA from Nathu La may have to come down and settle that.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby pankajs » 28 Jul 2017 17:33

UlanBatori wrote:AFAIK, what India demanded is for the Chinese to stop building the goat track any more. 250mts pullback does that, lesson conveyed. IA pulls back to the top of the ridge and :rotfl: at Chinese sitting in the valley waiting for it become a glacier in a couple of months. Why would IA want to be sitting inside the valley?

Lesson conveyed. U try building that road, we come down and make u :((

IIRC, Indian troops stationed at Doka La pass will remain *masters* of all they survey in front of them and that should cover pretty much the whole area under consideration.

IIRC, DoKa La sits approx. 500 mts *above* the plateau and about 500 mts from the current standoff position. Idea for turkey shoot. Position a few machine guns and a few shoulder fired anti-tank missiles.
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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Jits » 28 Jul 2017 17:39

Is this a restoration of "Pre 16th June status quo" as India had demanded ?

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby pankajs » 28 Jul 2017 17:43

Did India object to their visit or their construction?

The Chinese were visitors to the area before and can still be visitors .. so yes. They can stay for as long as they want till they don't build any new structure / infrastructure.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby shiv » 28 Jul 2017 17:52

Paul wrote:Looks like problem solved....

A Nationalist‏ @Peacef_Warrior 2h2 hours ago

So both the Armies will pull back frm Doklam but PLAGF will go back to only 250 mts but Indian Army will go back to where they were
Bad Deal
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IMO this Twitter handle betrays some d. shivering in general

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby TKiran » 28 Jul 2017 17:58

Though it's a win for India, the Han would twist it into their victory, but still well played India, though we could have prolonged the situation, it would have strengthened the emperor Eleven,

Now eleven has weakened, the impact would be huge, but it would be subdued, but expect some trouble for him during the politburo meeting, he can't hide behind the tenctions with India.

The more they spin this as their victory, the more troublesome it would be for eleven. He is far weekened now than if this situation has dragged.

But overall, except for mainstream English media, everyone played well. Even in case of mainstream English media, the China without Tibet and Taiwan is very positive.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby pankajs » 28 Jul 2017 18:02

Bhai ... we don't know if that bit is correct. Assume all speculation at this time.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby pankajs » 28 Jul 2017 18:04

Bumping this for folks who need an idea on the ground situation at the current standoff location.
pankajs wrote:http://indianexpress.com/article/explained/india-china-standoff-sikkim-doka-la-simply-put-where-things-stand-on-the-dolam-plateau-4763892/
Simply put: Where things stand on the Dolam plateau

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So where exactly is Dolam plateau?

The ridge line running from north to south, on which Batang La and Gymochen are located, has a pass known as Doka La in between these two places (La means a mountain pass). Another mountain ridge runs east from Batang La, via Merug La and Sinche La to the Amo Chu river. It then turns southward and runs along the Amo Chu. There is a ridge line that runs east/southeast from Gymochen towards/along the Amo Chu river. This ridge is called the Jampheri ridge.

These ridge lines, rising about 500 m higher than the flat area in the centre, enclose a 89 sq km bowl, which is the Dolam plateau. A rivulet called the Torsa nala rises from the base of Doka La and zigzags through the plateau east to meet the Amo Chu river.

What is this “motorable road” that the Chinese are supposed to have built?

The main road leading into the Chumbi Valley is the Chinese state highway S-204, which winds down south from Shigatse (or Xigaze) in Tibet to a point called Yatung (or Yadong), located northeast of the Nathu La pass. From Yatung, a blacktop metalled road goes to Asam, deeper inside the Chumbi Valley. Several unmetalled tracks emanate from Asam, one of which comes up to a point close to Doka La. This 20 km long track is classified as a “Class-5 track”, meaning it is capable of taking a vehicle of load class 5, which is a jeep or a small load carrier. The track was reportedly constructed by the Chinese as early as in 2003 (though some sources claim it was completed in 2005). The statement by Bhutan called this Class-5 track a “motorable road”.

At the end of this 20 km track, is a “turning point”, a wider area where large vehicles can reverse and return. This turning point is a few metres away from the Indian Army post at Doka La, around 3.5 km short of Gymochen, and approximately 3 km from Batang La.

Do Chinese patrols visit this area?

Chinese military patrols have been regularly coming up to the turning point on the Class 5 track from Asam. Chinese graziers often come up to the Torsa nala. Chinese military patrols have also been known to go almost up to the Jampheri ridge, but this is rare. In a sense, while the de jure border is aligned with Batang La, the de facto border has been at Doka La.

What happened on the plateau in June?

On June 8, PLA soldiers came in and destroyed two self help bunkers (SHBs) on the eastern slope of the ridge, slightly north of Doka La. These SHBs technically fall in Bhutanese territory, but are needed by the Indian soldiers to cover the plateau with effective fire. The Chinese had earlier destroyed two SHBs in the same area in 2008.

On June 16, some 100 men arrived at the ‘turning point’ with 4-5 bulldozers and earthmoving machines to begin work on extending the track southward towards the Jampheri ridge. The Royal Bhutan Army has a fair weather post called Chela Post on the ridge; Indian and Bhutanese army patrols “link” on Jampheri ridge every month. Bhutan claimed in a statement that the Chinese were building a track up to its Zompelri military camp on the ridge.

As the Chinese track construction party began survey and alignment work on the Dolam plateau, Indian soldiers came down from Doka La and formed a human chain to physically prevent the Chinese from working. The Indians also moved down earthmoving machinery with an aim to undo the work to be done by the Chinese. These dozers were highlighted in the pictures that the Chinese Foreign Ministry released on June 29.

While the equipment continues to be on standby, soldiers from both sides have pitched tents in the area. After the first couple of days, the Chinese have not attempted to resume construction, and the stand-off continues. There are 300-350 Indian soldiers in the area under a Commanding Officer. The Chinese troops are from the PLA’s 6 Border Defence regiment (Unit-77649).

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby pankajs » 28 Jul 2017 18:06

Another one ..
shiv wrote:Here is a Google Earth image of the same area
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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby pankajs » 28 Jul 2017 18:09

Yet another one .. check the end point [white dot in the middle] of the existing Chinese road from the Indian border. IA has a post at Doka La near the top of the ridge just on the border. This is the place IA will withdraw per the tweet.
pankajs wrote:The clearest map of the area under dispute

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/26/worl ... hutan.html
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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Philip » 28 Jul 2017 18:24

Regardless of what "solution" happens or not,the boycotting of Chin goods by Indians should continue unabated. This unofficial movement must succeed,otherwise all that we've achieved is to postpone the debacle later.China showed us its iron fist very clearly,used language that was tantamount to warmongering and if we ever forget what has happened and repeat our mistake again in the future ,then we deserve what fate decrees.

It is now for the people of India to wise up and punish the Chinese for their temerity. If the eunuchs in Lutyens' Delhi succumb to the appeasement of China this time round,by promising to join OBOR,etc.,then Sun Tzu and his tribe have won.

PS:Look at what's happening in little Sri Lanka.Street protests against handing over H'tota to the Chinese and the Trinco OIl Tank Farm to us,even though in both instances,security will be the purview of the Lankans.Sri Lankan people have come out into the streets to protest.Out of a population of just 20M at the most,they're able to achieve so much mileage,making the GOSL think twice. But India with its 1.3B people hasn't had a single demo against the Chinese since the standoff!
http://www.dailymirror.lk/article/Strik ... 33658.html

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Strikes should strike a balance

Some CPC trade unions had called the strike in protest over the government’s decision to approve a controversial agreement with a Chinese company to implement the Hambantota Port deal. This agreement had been repeatedly re-negotiated and changed after President Maithripala Sirisena himself and the then Ports and Shipping Minister Arjuna Ranatunga had expressed grave concern over certain sections which they said gave excessive authority to the Chinese company. Eventually the Cabinet last Tuesday approved a re-negotiated agreement. It was tabled in Parliament on Wednesday and is to be taken up for debate today. After the Cabinet meeting on Tuesday, the new Ports and Shipping Minister Mahinda Samarasinghe said the long delayed agreement would be signed on Saturday after Parliament approved it, but some reports indicated there may be a further delay until some compromised agreement is reached with trade unions of the CPC and the Ports Authority. This agreement had been initiated by the former Mahinda Rajapaksa regime. But negotiations went on for years. Senior Minister and United National Party General Secretary Kabir Hashim, at a news conference on Wednesday, said that more than Rs. 3000 million worth of fuel was lying unused and going waste at the Hambantota Port because of the delay in finalising the agreement.

In Parliament on Wednesday, Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe made a statement on the government’s decision to impose the essential services order and deployed security forces for the distribution of fuel supplies. He said the government was left with no option because some CPC trade unions—which he accused of acting with party political motives -- were refusing to accept even the major changes made to the original agreement. The Prime Minister and other government leaders have stressed the main benefits to Sri Lanka would be that the Chinese company’s huge investment would also help Sri Lanka to pay back part of the massive debt we owe to China. The Prime Minister also accused some CPC trade union leaders of indulging in sabotage such as deflating the tyres of fuel bowsers, removing the valves and parking them in a manner that blocked the entry to the refineries and nearby roads. In Parliament yesterday Minister Ranatunga also accused some CPC trade union leaders of sabotaging the refinery and warned that tough action would be taken against them for damaging public property.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby pankajs » 28 Jul 2017 18:33

To me the riskiest period will be during Modi's visit or just after. Prior action might lead to cancellation of the BRICS participation.

To humiliate Modi they might act during his visit. Or just after the hosting of a successful BRICS summit.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby TKiran » 28 Jul 2017 18:36

pankajs wrote:Bhai ... we don't know if that bit is correct. Assume all speculation at this time.

Most probably that info should be correct. India has already made its point very clear and it has generated huge animosity for anything Han China. Infact it gave a good chance to dent any small goodwill still the Hans have in India. Especially the younger generation interested in national security have become more wiser in the last 1month than at any time during the past 55 years about the Hans. This you will understand more when you watch TV9 etc in local language news.

Dhoti shivering has stopped, Pakis also lost face as from now on the younger generation would be interested for a aar paar ki ladaayi with Han China rather than its vassal Pak. Pak is no longer == with India, but Hans are the new enemy ==.

Actually it would be advantage India if this issue is resolved at this time and at this stage than dragged till the politburo meeting in Han China.

Han would have thought that they have been cornered and this is the best solution than to go for unwinnable war. Even if they don't admit, that is how it will be interpreted here in India in local language media and slowly the voices for independent Tibet will raise.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 28 Jul 2017 18:51

Regarding this 250m, 500m issue, we have to understand the following.

First of all, we don't know the authenticity of this news item.

Let us assume it is correct.

The Indian/Bhutanese troops stopped the Chinese inside the Chumbi Valley/Dolam Plateau because the direction of the road they were building was threatening both nations; they were in violation of the 2012 agreement among the three nations too. That is why the Chinese were claiming that Indian troops have entered Chinese territory, though technically TIBET is *not* Chinese territory (but, that's another matter)

So, Chinese soldiers would now go back to the 'Turning Point' at the end of the Class-5 road already existing (which is probably 250m from the current stand-off point) taking back with them all their road construction machinery & materials while Indian & Bhutanese troops would withdraw to their original locations as well.

The point to note here is that India stopped the PLAGF & their road building division on the Chinese territory.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby UlanBatori » 28 Jul 2017 18:58

On Bhutanese territory u mean. I wonder what stops India from sending patrols along the northern border of the plateau (straight line from northernmost Sikkim edge to northernmost Bhutan edge), having chai-biscoot with Bhutanese and returning. With a fairly significant force, maybe a few Su-30MKIs overhead on friendly visit. Or maybe just fly Su-30MKIs back and forth along this trajectory.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Pulikeshi » 28 Jul 2017 19:03

Pulikeshi wrote:
chola wrote: Time to fight. Let's roll!


India seems better off getting a strategic point victory without a fight, there is no such thing as leadership of Asia...


If above news of 250m etc. is true, then exactly what has been acheieved! Kudos!
But prudent to wait and see what else was negotiated ~ what will not be discussed publicly more important that what will be ;-)

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby nam » 28 Jul 2017 19:09

It is time we should have a arrangement where there should be joint Indo-Bhutanese units on Bhutanese borders, specially in the North, to prevent the Chinese garbing Bhutanese territories in the North and then try to swap them for Dolam plateau.

In return, India should invite Bhutan to setup a joint Indo-Bhutan base within Indian areas for "protecting India". Will help in managing the onslaught from the moibati brigade.

This will give Bhutan confidence to deal with Chinese land grab, which causes such incidents.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby UlanBatori » 28 Jul 2017 19:10

Per UBCNews flash, PLA has won the right to biss on the Doklam Plateau when they see Indian forces. Major Victory for China!!

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby chola » 28 Jul 2017 19:12

TKiran wrote:
pankajs wrote:Bhai ... we don't know if that bit is correct. Assume all speculation at this time.

Most probably that info should be correct. India has already made its point very clear and it has generated huge animosity for anything Han China. Infact it gave a good chance to dent any small goodwill still the Hans have in India. Especially the younger generation interested in national security have become more wiser in the last 1month than at any time during the past 55 years about the Hans. This you will understand more when you watch TV9 etc in local language news.

Dhoti shivering has stopped, Pakis also lost face as from now on the younger generation would be interested for a aar paar ki ladaayi with Han China rather than its vassal Pak. Pak is no longer == with India, but Hans are the new enemy ==.

Actually it would be advantage India if this issue is resolved at this time and at this stage than dragged till the politburo meeting in Han China.

Han would have thought that they have been cornered and this is the best solution than to go for unwinnable war. Even if they don't admit, that is how it will be interpreted here in India in local language media and slowly the voices for independent Tibet will raise.


Independent Tibet had been raised around the world for past 50 years. Anti-Han feelings in India had been around since 1962. Did that do anything to change Cheen's trajectory to power?

What the Bhutan standoff gives us is/was an opportunity to put to action all of those sentiments with overwhelming force at the border. An opportunity to vault ourselves to the top military slot in Asia.

Unless we fight, nothing will change. All of these "moral" victories we claim would be subsumed by a flood of chini propaganda and money.

Look at the US papers: Doklam was barely in there under their chini coverage.

At the top of the heap was the J-10 buzzing of the USN's EP-3, of course. Then the US Adm saying he will nuke China if Trump orders it. After that it would be the Russian-Chinese naval exercise in the Baltics considered to be a veiled threat to NATO. The other big ones are the Wall Street Journal's reports on the PRC's assault on the American (and its Asian allies) bastion of semi-conductors and the assault on American Power through Chinese exceptionalism which is surging on the back of a middle class that will reach 850 million by 2030.

Violent action is needed if you want to upset the status quo.

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby suryag » 28 Jul 2017 19:30

Am pretty sure there was a veiled threat that there will be a civil boycott of chinese goods by nationalists

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Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Peregrine » 28 Jul 2017 19:31

Chinese President Xi Jinping praises BRICS NSAs for enhancing mutual trust

BEIJING: National Security Adviser Ajit Doval and other top security czars of the BRICS nations on Friday called on Chinese President Xi Jinping, who praised their efforts in enhancing mutual trust and cooperation despite the vast geographical distance among the member nations.

The meeting comes amid a standoff between China and India in Doklam area in the Sikkim sector.

After day-long deliberations over improving cooperation in a number of areas, the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) NSAs met Xi and interacted with him.

Xi, in his address to the BRICS NSAs, praised them for building a mutual trust and cooperation among the member nations.
"Every minister has done a great job for improving our mutual trust and security cooperation. I sincerely thank for all your efforts," Xi who is heading the BRICS group this year said about the deliberations by the NSAs today on host of security related issues.

"I think the meeting was carried out well. In order to promote the strategic mutual trust of the BRICS countries, security cooperation, all of you have made a lot of effort," he said.

The BRICS cooperation has 10 years of history and the five-member group of emerging countries have carried on meaningful cooperation despite geographical distance and different political systems establishing a new type of international relations, the Chinese president said.

While the starting point of BRICS cooperation is in the economic and financial field in its first decade, in view of the complex international political and economic security situation, the member countries should expand cooperation with more people-to-people contacts, cultural exchanges and coordinate on security issues, he said.

China on Thursday acknowledged that Doval and his Chinese counterpart Yang Jiechi met on the sidelines of the BRICS NSAs meet during which they discussed "major problems" in bilateral ties. However, China made no mention of the Doklam standoff.

Since the standoff began on June 16, China has been maintaining that there will not be a meaningful dialogue without the unconditional withdrawal of Indian troops.

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