Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

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http://www.rediff.com/news/interview/to ... 170727.htm

Colonel R Hariharan (retd), a retired Military Intelligence specialist on South Asia who had served with the Indian Peace Keeping Force in Sri Lanka as head of intelligence, discusses with Rediff.com's Shobha Warrier what the standoff between India and China in the Doklam plateau means.

"India is a huge market for Chinese goods. I don't think a war stands to logic when you have economic compulsions, but then Chinese are known to do illogical things."
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It is only illogical when you have not understood their mindsets. For instance if you mistake a reptilean logic for a human one. The good Col. should, with all respect to him, pls consider that it comes across rather scary when Intelligence Specialists say that the opposition is illogical.
OTOH, if ppl stop buying noodles and mobile phones, will the Chinese become more logical and attack? :mrgreen:
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It is always important to know the psych of the leaders of the states. It sounds strange, but there are very few countries in the world whose leaders put the country's interest before theirs own. More over, there are numerous countries whose leaders' interests are directly opposite to their own countries. India used to be one such country not before too long. And there are lot worst countries in in the world than India. So, do we know for sure that CCP or eleven's interests are completely aligned with PRC's?
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UlanBatori wrote:It is only illogical when you have not understood their mindsets. For instance if you mistake a reptilean logic for a human one. The good Col. should, with all respect to him, pls consider that it comes across rather scary when Intelligence Specialists say that the opposition is illogical.
OTOH, if ppl stop buying noodles and mobile phones, will the Chinese become more logical and attack? :mrgreen:
To take a kinder view - I find that people in Intelligence do not talk straight at all. They sound like just another clueless person. One man who was actually RAW chief was a patient of mine for a few years until he passed away recently. Sankaran Nair whose book "Inside IB and RAW" was a great read but it revealed absolutely NOTHING. He was master of being able to recognise and recall anything, a needle sharp mind in earlier years, but he would relapse into deafness and loss of memory when it came to any interesting titbits about anything worth mentioning.

On the other hand you get people like me churning out veedio after veedio and people think I am an army person who is revealing stuff for the public to know. :lol: That is why I always say that I must be the most highly qualified military expert in the universe.
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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

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shiv wrote:
SSridhar wrote:
I am unable to see this. Can you give coordinates?
Sridhar you may be able to figure out this image
Shiv, thanks. Great work, as usual.

Yes, we are both talking the same thing.

I could track the road passing Sinche La and also the fork that skirted the ridge and going northand all the way upto Batang La and back into Tibet ending at a point on the eastern slopes of the ridge from the Indian position far north. This is a long winding road that goes well into Chumbi valley and turns west towards India.

Of course, I could see the other road from the above fork going to Doka La. I presume that this is the road the IA takes to cross the plateau to meet with the Royal Bhutanese Army once a month as part of their routine.

From the way these tracks are criss-crossing everywhere, they should have existed for a very, very long time, possibly as trade routes. The armies are using them. China is converting them into higher quality roads, at least in Chumbi valley. Somebody was asking the question what Indian & Bhtanese armies were doing alowing the Chinese to build roads into the Bhutanese plateau. I do not think that these tracks were built by the Chinese.

I believe that the the track after the last 'turning point' in Chumbi valley was being widened when IA interfered because the direction of the road was towards the Bhutanese Army posts at Jhamperi and because the construction was violating the 2012 agreement. One can see two ridges south of the existing road in Chumbi valley. The ridge that forms the Bhutan border is at a higher elevation to the one inside Tibet. I presume that Jhamperi is on that. Both ridges then slope down towards the Amu Cho river.
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Open Secrets: The Explosive Memoirs of an Indian Intelligence Officer

This book gave me an idea of the amount of interference from Chinese in India.

https://www.amazon.in/Open-Secrets-Expl ... oks&sr=1-2

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So, Is china being made to withdraw its troops from the Bhutanese territory in Dhok La?
If not, and if there is a stalemate, they have successfully occupied Bhutanese territory.

IA and Bhutanese Army need to cut off the supply route to the PLA troops on the plateau and force them to surrender or retreat.
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By that logic IA too has occupied Dolam plateau. We can jointly hold it for Bhutan till an agreement is reached on the disputed area.

And China cannot build as was their original intent.
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To me that whole Doklam Plateau and the Chinese "road" seem like a desperate, determined effort to get a reaction from India. Of course they could later expand it into the second branch of OBOR, going down to Chittagong and connecting through Myanmar as well.
Is all of Tibet such a monolithic region? (Any good road-building opportunities there?)
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Um - in 10 days the narrative on this thread has moved from impending war and great punishment from China to agreed settlement and victory for China. What exactly leads to such conclusions?

As far as I can tell there is still a standoff out there. No agreement has been reached. The rhetoric from China has either abated or has been covered over by increasingly confident and more accurate Indian media articles.
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Singha, Too much churn in this thread and lot of irresponsible fake news being posted. Sam happening in SM and WA groups.

A persona request start reporting such posts as we get a lot of traffic and dont want fake news.

Thanks,

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^^^^
Herr Doktor..........you made some important predictions for 28 July. What about that.
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rsingh wrote:^^^^
Herr Doktor..........you made some important predictions for 28 July. What about that.
Not me. I do not recall making any prediction at all. At least not anything serious because I don't recall having any clue about what was going to happen on 28 July and on 29 July I have no clue f what will happen in say a month or two. Please point me to the statement I made if it is important to you so I can check my astrological abilities..

On the general topic of "predictions" I saw on this thread the following predictions (that I can recall)
1. The Chinese will attack with a barrage of missiles
2. The Chinese will attack when Doval is in China
3. The Chinese will attack on the anniversary of their Army whatever
4. India will back down
5. I now recall that someone made a prediction that something will happen on 28th July and I thanked him for making a prediction for a date when I am still likely to be alive
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shiv wrote:Um - in 10 days the narrative on this thread has moved from impending war and great punishment from China to agreed settlement and victory for China. What exactly leads to such conclusions?

As far as I can tell there is still a standoff out there. No agreement has been reached. The rhetoric from China has either abated or has been covered over by increasingly confident and more accurate Indian media articles.
Will XI really give a shit abt doklam when he is trying to extend tenure till 2022. Military conflict in doklam will end bad for Chinese. Why risk it? Nothing might happen until the 19 CPC meeting. There will be a long impasse. With Chinese and Indian soldiers standing through winter
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Missile attack has been replaced by media attacks. Prediction totally vindicated.
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shiv wrote:
rsingh wrote:^^^^
Herr Doktor..........you made some important predictions for 28 July. What about that.
Not me. I do not recall making any prediction at all. At least not anything serious because I don't recall having any clue about what was going to happen on 28 July and on 29 July I have no clue f what will happen in say a month or two. Please point me to the statement I made if it is important to you so I can check my astrological abilities..

On the general topic of "predictions" I saw on this thread the following predictions (that I can recall)
1. The Chinese will attack with a barrage of missiles
2. The Chinese will attack when Doval is in China
3. The Chinese will attack on the anniversary of their Army whatever
4. India will back down
5. I now recall that someone made a prediction that something will happen on 28th July and I thanked him for making a prediction for a date when I am still likely to be alive
My bad. There was someone who made second prediction.
Why GOI is silent. There has to be something.
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India sucks at stlategelym onlee ~ but in my village there was once a buffaloes tail!
If my hood's bully who messes with all is unusually silent when I've parked my pet buffalo in my other neighbor's backyard that the bully claims...
The hood's bully's chamcha is issuing daily dosas of how they are going to tear me apart, but I've been invited to dinner in a few days...
And is anyone counting is it more than a month and a half now since my buffalo has being eating hood's grass? I'd say bully got gamed!
:P :rotfl:
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First Indian ground report from Chumbi Valley @Karma_Paljor reports from Dolam / Doka la

https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/890962451209965568
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rsingh wrote: My bad. There was someone who made second prediction.
Why GOI is silent. There has to be something.
GOI has been silent from day 1 other than a few, limited statements by Jetley and Swaraj (in the LS) (and maybe Jaishankar). Note that GOI has not changed this public stance :D .

What has changed in the last few days is the level of usual BS and bluster from The Gobar Times. Not a peep or a cheep from them after the BRICS Doval meetings with Yang and XI himself. I think the Chinese govt. finally got the message as to how this govt does business. Their silence means that it will take a few days for this to sink in, and figure out how to respond. They probably ran into something they did not expect, or game for. :) This is my reading, anyway.

Pullikeshi- Your analogy of 'buffaloes and grass-eating' ..... sounds like a shtrategy for the Barahoti grazing grounds in Uttarakhand-China border.
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Watch around 16:45 or so... real question is does PLA control the Supleme Leadel or is it the other way around?
It would be interesting if we could get data on which media houses are more controlled/influenced by PLA directly ~
How much of the downsizing and rationalization of the PLA is contributing to this "arm-chair" generals threading war?
The Paki "never won a war" Army has mastered the art of keeping conflict alive to perpetuate the bloat - did the head Chick learn from its poo?
China may be no wiser or different than its little chick poo Paki ~ 36 strategyms and what not - if Supleme Leadel is just a figure head!
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This can also be applied on military Tactics side,
How CHINESE & INDIANS think & Why INDIANS Are Successful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWeBcqlXPAQ
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Mort Walker made a prediction that after 28th July, India would withdraw all troops from the area. I remembered that one. It's amazing how fast this thread moves, that was back on page 140 of this thread - but just 4 days ago (25th July).
shiv wrote:
Mort Walker wrote: I hope you're wrong, but it is most likely the truth after the 28th July Indian forces will pull out of Dok La. It will be business as usual.
I will mark this post with a @@@@ and do a string search for it after July 28th. At least you have been kind enough to make a prediction that is a few days away. Most predictions on BRF are so far in the future that people will be dead before anyone can get back and challenge a failed prediction
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Cheeni Miltary man ask what give Indian the courage to interfere between Bhutan and China ? Show their assumption and slap they received for suh assumption.

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I wish Gen Mehta had utaroed the Cheeni Colonel's pants better.

The pakis and chinese with their state monitored media, carefully select guests from opponent nations so that their own analysts have an upper hand. The program anchor is usually biased, won't let the Indian guy complete sentences, and will try to prevent loss of face of china
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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

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Lekhraj wrote:http://www.rediff.com/news/interview/to ... 170727.htm

Colonel R Hariharan (retd), a retired Military Intelligence specialist on South Asia who had served with the Indian Peace Keeping Force in Sri Lanka as head of intelligence, discusses with Rediff.com's Shobha Warrier what the standoff between India and China in the Doklam plateau means.

"India is a huge market for Chinese goods. I don't think a war stands to logic when you have economic compulsions, but then Chinese are known to do illogical things."

Very good interview once you ignore the DDM headline

Is China playing a game right now? If so, what kind of game are they playing?

There are three ways to look at what is happening. One is from the perspective of the international environment.

The second is the bilateral relationship between India and China and the third angle is the changing strategic equation in South Asia.

Internationally, after Ukraine was partitioned, there is a growing sentiment in NATO against Russia supported by the US.

(US President Donald J) Trump has used this issue to suit his political agenda. There is a possibility of this confrontation going out of control and in such a scenario, Moscow needs Beijing as an ally.

China is a powerful entity, more powerful than ever before. It is competing to be the number one in the world's economic power engine.

The Belt and Road Initiative linking China with Europe, through the old Silk Route, is a success from China's point of view.

The China Pakistan Economic Corridor is also an important linkage of the Belt and Road Initiative.

Even in the South China Sea, a confrontation has been going on and China is not letting it go.

China has taken a confrontationist posture against many countries. It did not accept the judgment of the International Court of Justice when its claims to the South China Sea was turned down.


So, it is in this background that we have to look at the overall assertion of Chinese power.

Why I am mentioning all this is we should not see the India-China standoff in Doklam -- which is not even a confrontation -- as an issue that would give rise to a war or not.

We will have to look at it from a larger perspective.

The other issue is the bilateral relations between China and India.

At present, in Asia, there are three highly assertive leaders: President Xi Jinping of China, Prime Minister Narendra D Modi of India and Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan.

All three harp on nationalism or national identity as a rallying call for the country. Xi came to power saying he would make the Chinese dream of making China the centre of the universe a reality.

China has been under a severe inferiority complex after the opium war and it is trying to live down the image of the sick man of Asia.

We can say it has succeeded as progressively it has upgraded the life of the common man.

Xi has cleansed the system of corruption, nepotism and cronyism and after 2012, he has established himself as the strongest man after Mao Zedong and Deng Xiaoping as the man who controls the government, the army and the Communist party.

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Why is the Chinese media aggressively attacking India all of a sudden?

You must remember that it is a State controlled media.

I would say China has won the propaganda war because as a democracy, we only reproduce the Chinese claims and counter claims; we have not contradicted the stories.

{Personally I feel most members in this thread have done a disservice by posting Chinese propaganda and promoting the fear psychosis very much desired by China, Please introspect and stop doing it. Warning to anyone posting Chinese propagandu.}

Is this a very planned strategy by China?

Of course, it is. Because of their efforts, now we are so much concerned about whether there would be a war with China or not.

The question that I encounter all the time is whether a war would break out tomorrow.

Personally, I feel China has succeeded in creating such a hysteria in India though the Government of India has been trying to negate it.


The other day, the Government of India issued a statement that there was no additional build up along the border.

Whatever the Chinese are doing, they are building up their capability.

.....

How dangerous will it be for India as the north east is connected to India through the corridor?

This tri-junction is very important for our strategic, security point of view because the closer the Chinese come, it would threaten our Siliguri corridor which is about 30 km from there.

It is the land link between north east India and the rest of the country.


But this is not the first time the Chinese are doing such things.

When Xi came here for the first time in September 2014, and while Modi and Xi were talking, Chinese troops entered Ladakh and came 1 and ½ kms inside.

So, at all critical points, China is trying to assert its superiority and there was some indirect pressure at the top to bring home the Chinese dispensation.

India allowing the Dalai Lama to visit Arunachal Pradesh was not well taken by them.
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See the map that the mofos put up when Nalapat is talking? They show Kashmir in different color than India, but look at the region between Sikkin and Bhutan? Isn't that where the issue is? Occupied by the geckos?
When will undiTV etc learn to post such maps during their broadcasts, like the IndiaToday (amazing!!) map showing Free Tibet etc?
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I have just realized: There is no such thing as "Tibet". It is Northern Dharmasala from now on. Any better names welcome.
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In case you want to know what the naPakis think of this (I would say more realistic than some of our prestitutes) https://youtu.be/UQR8vhgQdKo
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Folks

I feel China has pressed the pause button on the Doklam affair to focus on the Korean Peninsula. With Trump's domestic problems and the repeated ICBM testing by NoKo, Beijing wants to be ready to protect NoKo if the US / Japan begin hostilities.India needs to be watchful as Cheen will not want to loose face at any cost.

In any case, Asian countries have observed how India successfully blunted china's bluster and will make a beeline for New Delhi to make security arrangements for the future. Once this happens, US pivot to Asia becomes irrelevant except in providing arms to some countries. US may have the biggest navy in the world now but their economy completely depends on Chinese market... In this new world order, Asia may decide it can solve its problems without outside help. I am not sure about how Oz will fit into this picture...

India needs to begin negotiations with Bangladesh regarding Chicken neck and wartime military movements thru BD. If we are ready to fight a war with Cheen to protect this area, why hasn't GoI addressed this strategic issue before is beyond me!

China will have to rethink CPEC viability thru PoK / GB given GoI unyielding stand and change in GoP. Pakis will show their tactical brilliance and ask for "better terms" wrt CPEC. GoP may show some defiance to Chinese to collect on their CSF payments from the US....Interesting times ahead
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but india does not have exportable nukes, much of weapons industry or a huge navy to extend a security umbrella to ASEAN dhoti shiverers. US will continue to underwrite their security well into this century.
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The US is artwisting us over our relations with Iran critical to our security.Relations going downhill.
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Philip wrote:The US is artwisting us over our relations with Iran critical to our security.Relations going downhill.
Awwww you mean same Iran that:

https://www.google.co.in/amp/m.timesofi ... 454492.cms
Twice in 7 days, Iran talks of 'oppressed' Kashmir

Khamenei on Monday urged support for Kashmir's "oppressed Muslims"
On June 26, too, he mentioned Kashmir during an Eid address
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China now threatens Britain with WAR over a decision to send Aircraft Carriers to SCS
Not sure about the veracity of this blog or source. TIFWIW.
It seems that after India, Britain has now come in the firing line of the hawkish Chinese state media. The reason is another territorial dispute – the South China Sea – where China is flexing its muscles, like it’s trying to do with India in the Doklam dispute.
Britain has announced it will send its two aircraft carriers, HMS Queen Elizabeth – the largest in the British fleet – and HMS Prince of Wales to the South China Sea. It does so in solidarity with the international community’s pledge to ensure freedom in navigation operations in international waters, and to counter China’s attempts to dominate the area by building artificial islands and militarising it with warships and fighter jets.
An editorial in the official Chinese publication Global Times, which regularly threatens India of war over the India-China Doklam plateau border standoff, has warned Britain that sending warships to the South China Sea would be a provocation that would force China to take retaliatory measures.
Questioning the British motive behind the move, the editorial says “it is no longer 1840
The editorial says in a patronizing tone that Britain needs to maintain its self-esteem and should not allow itself to “be stupidly dragged back to Asia,” which will only disgrace and humiliate it.
Blaming Australia for lobbying hard to instigate Britain, the editorial says Australia “can only bark” and if Britain follows suit, its stature will reduced to “being an accomplice or a dupe.”
http://defensenews-alert.blogspot.com/2 ... h-war.html
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The honeymoon between Trump and Xi Jinping which started at the dinner in Mar a Lago in April is certainly over.....
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I am very disappointed in China. Our foolish past leaders have allowed them to make hundreds of billions of dollars a year in trade, yet...
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...they do NOTHING for us with North Korea, just talk. We will no longer allow this to continue. China could easily solve this problem!
4:35 PM - 29 Jul 2017
And just last week the US was pressuring India to cut back on it's trade with North Korea. Maybe with the Trump tweet the US may finally get serious. But so long as India was the only target of the North Korean missile proliferation to Pakistan and so long as Pakistani covert aid to North Korea's nuclear program did not impact others, the US kept quiet. And all of the cross proliferation was done via PAF aircraft flying through China to North Korea - China proliferated nukes to Pakistan with the US looking the other way and Pakistan then proliferated to North Korea in exchange for missile tech with China looking the other way. Now the chickens have come home to roost:

Scale back engagement with North Korea, US tells India
A US delegation from the State Department visited New Delhi this week to discuss how India could plug all exposure to North Korea. Among the "suggestions" to India are to limit and scale back its diplomatic engagement with Pyongyang.
India's relationship with North Korea is a remnant of its non-aligned past. But in recent years, India has highlighted the proliferation problem from North Korea.
New Delhi sees a complex web of sharing of nuclear and missile technology between China, Pakistan and North Korea, something that is well documented.
Officials say they are being put on the defensive as India is the third largest trading partner for North Korea. "If more than 95% of trade is by one country (China), others in the list don't really matter, do they?" said an Indian official. The US has had singular failure in getting China to act definitively on North Korea.
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Singha wrote:but india does not have exportable nukes, much of weapons industry or a huge navy to extend a security umbrella to ASEAN dhoti shiverers. US will continue to underwrite their security well into this century.
Exactly ... Just because we have stood up to China on Dolam plateau doesn't mean we have become the security provider to the whole of Asia. Hell we haven't sold a SINGLE Brahmos despite all the song and dance over the years. We must be realistic about our capabilities. US will remain the main security provider in East Asia for the foreseeable future.
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pankajs wrote:
Singha wrote:but india does not have exportable nukes, much of weapons industry or a huge navy to extend a security umbrella to ASEAN dhoti shiverers. US will continue to underwrite their security well into this century.
Exactly ... Just because we have stood up to China on Dolam plateau doesn't mean we have become the security provider to the whole of Asia. Hell we haven't sold a SINGLE Brahmos despite all the song and dance over the years. We must be realistic about our capabilities.
If the political will is there, this situation can be transformed in <10 years.
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Prem wrote:Cheeni Miltary man ask what give Indian the courage to interfere between Bhutan and China ? Show their assumption and slap they received for suh assumption.
First time I saw the news anchor no longer in control of the discussion and flailing about, flitting from topic to topic.

General should not have taken the interview IMHO. He should have referred the matter to a Colonel, given the Chinese side was represented by a Colonel. Colonel had the audacity of saying "general you are talking too much" what a rascal, he should not have been given that opportunity.
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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

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ldev wrote:The honeymoon between Trump and Xi Jinping which started at the dinner in Mar a Lago in April is certainly over.....
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I am very disappointed in China. Our foolish past leaders have allowed them to make hundreds of billions of dollars a year in trade, yet...
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...they do NOTHING for us with North Korea, just talk. We will no longer allow this to continue. China could easily solve this problem!
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When I wear my Chanakyan hat, I think that US actually has some backdoor channel with Fat Boy Kim, encouraging him to go on displaying his pyrotechics. This will give the US cover to intervene in the Korean peninsula, Japan and Pacific, as a long term measure to raise defences & offensive capability against the real target, the Chinese.
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Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

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usdesi wrote:I feel China has pressed the pause button on the Doklam affair to focus on the Korean Peninsula.
I think that the stalemate is because China got itself into a mess here. It upped the ante and the rhetoric too much. It will have to allow for a period of cooldown before it pulls back and saves its face. Then, there are other issues like CPC et al. It will take a while.
In any case, Asian countries have observed how India successfully blunted china's bluster and will make a beeline for New Delhi to make security arrangements for the future. Once this happens, US pivot to Asia becomes irrelevant except in providing arms to some countries.
Of course, Asian countries do look up to India for stance against China's aggression. But, it is simply too far fetched for us to replace the US. The current stand-off will enhance Indian prestige; but, for the same reason, China may want to deny India that. How it will react is still unknown. Unlike some who postulated that the stand-off is winding down, I do not think so. The denouement is far away, IMO.
India needs to begin negotiations with Bangladesh regarding Chicken neck and wartime military movements thru BD. If we are ready to fight a war with Cheen to protect this area, why hasn't GoI addressed this strategic issue before is beyond me!
I am sure that we could have done better. But, we have been developing alternates not only because of security demands but also because of simple economics. The inland waterways of India & BD are being used to go all the way to Assam, transporting goods. We are also setting up the Kalladan multimodal (port-river-road) project through Myanmar to reach Mizoram. Even road & rail transit through Bangladesh has vastly improved, but, Bangladesh cannot be depended upon always because of Islamic extremism, strong Pakistani-orientation and internal politics. The positive changes are mainly due to the two terms of Sheikh Hasina. It is impossible to institutionalize the relationship with Bangladesh at present. China has also significantly extended its influence into Bangladesh. True to form, they wanted to a 'Sri Lanka' on BD recently which the latter warded off. We have to also work on such fears, highlighting at the same time India's benevolent loans & grants.
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Prem wrote:Cheeni Miltary man ask what give Indian the courage to interfere between Bhutan and China ? Show their assumption and slap they received for suh assumption.

It seems CPC & eleven are shit scared of their own people. They have chosen mehta deliberately to project poor image of Bharat and it's army to its people. Mehta has such a blocked choked throat and hardly able to articulate a sentence, this will help cheeni govt. fool it's people that, "see due to democracy what a horrible shape they and their army is in, compared to us with our superior dictatorship system."

It becomes sure that whole idea.a shrill threats are only for the sake of their own people.

Something is afoot internally hence they are keeping inner situation very hyper-nationalistic almost feverish whether senkaku islands SCS or Doklam doesnt matter.

They are afraid of war!
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