Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Marten · Post by **Marten** » 19 Aug 2017 17:44

Not sure how folks are determining who won a scuffle.

Point that needs to be highlighted is that mighty Chinese are now worse off than Bakistani students.

sum · Post by **sum** » 19 Aug 2017 17:54

Right.

What a climb down for a wannabe superpower whose only nearest competitor is supposedly Amirkhan

News channels reporting it was ITBP involved and not even the IA

nam · Post by **nam** » 19 Aug 2017 17:55

The video was taken from the left side. The video was released by us.

Obviously it is our video. Would a chini take the video on left and give it us.

We stopped chini incursion. And we kicked the chini back and they ran off. Period

As usual I see here us indians paralysis by excess analysis.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Aug 2017 18:03

Anurag wrote: My take- I think the Chinese were to the left side. Their camo is lighter and that "flying kick" that came out from the left side looked more "Chinese" to me. I believe the man down was our guy.

Let me pass my judgement on this after having downloaded and enlarged (and also slowing down) that video.

1. The man who delivers the kick has a darker uniform
but..
2. The basic funda of psy ops means that we must eschew the need for "scientific" accuracy and swear on Chailman Mao's dead balls that the kick was delivered by an Indian. When in doubt, we win.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 19 Aug 2017 18:05

Sir white banner from rt side, white trousers too.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 19 Aug 2017 18:19

Bhai why so much angst who delivered the kick?

As Shiv saar say, when in doubt we win. This is not just rhetorical IMHO. A fight between a supposed souppawa and a wannabe. If it ends in a stalemate is a victory for the wannabe.

Whatever happened with stones and sticks the Chinese were sent back. That is the end of that phase and a victory for India. Don't get lost in the details.

VishalJ · Post by **VishalJ** » 19 Aug 2017 18:21

kit wrote:
sum wrote:Did anyone see the stone pelting video between the 2 armies? Its on the Shatrujeet page on FB

Quite a lot of stoning and one of the Indian soldier flattened a Chinese guard with a flying kick

Looks like quite a serious scuffle and a single gunshot could have escalated quickly

could some one please post a link to the video ? .. me no FB a/c

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Aug 2017 18:25

Slightly enlarged and brightness increased
https://youtu.be/ww6ppQBH03w

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Aug 2017 18:44

A soldier sneaked up from the left under the ledge and kicked the soldier who was till then throwing very well, but the kicked soldier stayed on his feet, he just went away a bit and resumed fighting. The red banner holder had come deep, and then ran back to his side. Then a soldier went down as if hit on the head with a stone, and is lying still. That is an Indian soldier. You can see the light on his white pants before he gets hit, and he was clearly gesticulating / throwing towards the left/top side before he got hit.

Hostility was clearly from Chinese side. Otherwise Indians could have simply gathered on the high ground and pelted the heck out of the Chinese.

srinebula · Post by **srinebula** » 19 Aug 2017 18:46

Singha wrote:The indians looked like seasoned brawlers from tough govt schools .. some good slaps and kicks and the red manchu bannerman got some good thrashing also . Will be nursing his backside in a sling for some time

on some TV channels, they are reporting that Chinese came with iron rods, and IA retaliated with rifle butts.

Singha sir, seem like Chinese are reading your posts and formulating their strategy

I remember you talked about chinese attack with lathis etc., few days back

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 19 Aug 2017 18:48

The side on right gets pushed out by end of video.

kit · Post by **kit** » 19 Aug 2017 18:56

sum wrote:Right.

What a climb down for a wannabe superpower whose only nearest competitor is supposedly Amirkhan

News channels reporting it was ITBP involved and not even the IA

The ITBP chaps are well trained in martial arts and hand to hand combat .. they may not even need any weapons!

kit · Post by **kit** » 19 Aug 2017 18:57

srinebula wrote:
Singha wrote:The indians looked like seasoned brawlers from tough govt schools .. some good slaps and kicks and the red manchu bannerman got some good thrashing also . Will be nursing his backside in a sling for some time
on some TV channels, they are reporting that Chinese came with iron rods, and IA retaliated with rifle butts.

Singha sir, seem like Chinese are reading your posts and formulating their strategy
I remember you talked about chinese attack with lathis etc., few days back

kit · Post by **kit** » 19 Aug 2017 18:59

UlanBatori wrote:Which is precisely Eleven's problem. If the Indian passive resistance mode succeeds in thwarting Chinese encroachment tactics against Bhutan, then other nations will also start doing the same, with security support from the US and maybe even India. I can imagine Japan, Indonesia and others simply sending their own troops to land in the chinese-occupied islands and pushing the Chinese out. No firing; just a quiet, passive landing and setting up shop. The whole SCS misadventure can unravel.

and that would be a quite interesting spectacle

..totally gandhian concept of warfare for the 21st century

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Aug 2017 18:59

as usual BRF is ahead of curve - told ya they would try a 'police action' with truncheons and brawling.

we were ready

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 19 Aug 2017 19:15

Singha wrote:as usual BRF is ahead of curve - told ya they would try a 'police action' with truncheons and brawling.

we were ready

Whatever next; pepper spray, water cannons, rubber bullets, hired bouncers from private security firms like Xe formerly Blackwater who have been hired by the PRC to safeguard OBOR.

amohan2001 · Post by **amohan2001** » 19 Aug 2017 19:17

Why are Chinese afraid of firing bullets?

Schmidt · Post by **Schmidt** » 19 Aug 2017 19:17

Reg the video , the right side seem to be the Chinese as they are wearing a lighter shade of green uniform

The Indians seem to be on the left

Initially there is a large group of Indian soldiers who were standing behind some bund , they joined in the fracas later once things started heating up

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 19 Aug 2017 19:30

Is it the IA or the ITBP?

Difficult to tell from the video...

prasannasimha · Post by **prasannasimha** » 19 Aug 2017 19:39

sum wrote:Did anyone see the stone pelting video between the 2 armies? Its on the Shatrujeet page on FB

Quite a lot of stoning and one of the Indian soldier flattened a Chinese guard with a flying kick

Looks like quite a serious scuffle and a single gunshot could have escalated quickly

Link Please could not find it

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Aug 2017 19:50

probable site of mutbher
https://www.google.co.in/maps/place/Pan ... 78.6674404

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Aug 2017 19:55

Well... in this case the Indian soldiers gave a good account of themselves and sent the chinese pak-ing, but I wish the commander had stationed several soldiers on the high ground from where the video was taken. Anyway, from now on it looks like stone-pelting should be expected, unless the local commanders agree to ban it - and then who trusts the chinese?

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 19 Aug 2017 20:11

The video may be seen here..

https://twitter.com/republic/status/898882185905684481

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 19 Aug 2017 20:20

But look at red flag? Are we confusing the identity of two forces?

nam · Post by **nam** » 19 Aug 2017 20:24

Huawei had fired it's Indian employees in Iran.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JeSuisSid/st ... 392640?p=v

There should be mass resignation in Huawei India.

manju · Post by **manju** » 19 Aug 2017 20:25

sum wrote:Did anyone see the stone pelting video between the 2 armies? Its on the Shatrujeet page on FB

Quite a lot of stoning and one of the Indian soldier flattened a Chinese guard with a flying kick

Looks like quite a serious scuffle and a single gunshot could have escalated quickly

link please, please

nam · Post by **nam** » 19 Aug 2017 20:27

Gyan wrote:But look at red flag? Are we confusing the identity of two forces?

Bhai,

If Chinese had better of us, don't you think this would have been all over Gobar times? They even denied it ever happened.

If the ones in left are Chinese, why would Indian troops go the left and shoot the video? Why would we shoot the backside of Chinis?

End of the day, we kicked their back side and they went back.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Aug 2017 20:28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww6ppQBH03w

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 19 Aug 2017 20:33

g.sarkar wrote:
its Vice Premier Wang Yang was in Kathmandu on August 14.
Gautam

So, the executive assistant #3's visit to al bakistan on agast chodah was not exclusive?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Aug 2017 20:35

nam wrote:Huawei had fired it's Indian employees in Iran.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JeSuisSid/st ... 392640?p=v

There should be mass resignation in Huawei India.

as per a guy who works for a vendor of huawei india we met, huawei with grand fanfare setup a large center in blr. but then they took back all product work to cheen, and gave only some open src type work to india and some subcontracting cos. eg ONOS which is a open src proj that a clutch of asian cos are funding for sdn.

i figure they are keeping center open only to avoid allegations of not having india presence but having made large telco sales here.

williams · Post by **williams** » 19 Aug 2017 20:43

ITBP has permanent presence here. Both on the north and south shore. North shore has metaled road. That kind of tells us this happened in the south shore and the people in the left are our boys.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Aug 2017 20:46

Singha wrote:probable site of mutbher
https://www.google.co.in/maps/place/Pan ... 78.6674404

the north shore also has certain features which can make our men be on the left with water to the top of field of view. like those fingers of land

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 19 Aug 2017 21:20

Singha wrote:
Singha wrote:probable site of mutbher
https://www.google.co.in/maps/place/Pan ... 78.6674404
the north shore also has certain features which can make our men be on the left with water to the top of field of view. like those fingers of land

Per TV reports, Indian soldiers are towards left.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Aug 2017 21:35

Look at the long shadows. Either early morning or late afternoon. And it is summer so sun was approx at zenith in trajectory. So per my Madarssa Ass-tronomey:

1. Assume late evening because why would cheens wake up so early? Probably intended to set up camp overnight.
2. Then sun will be in west. Shadow will point to east. So water is to west. Maybe local beach geometry. But generally, this means that events are on "north bank" in that region. (shiv?) Did IA go there in a boat to chase the buggers out? Or from land? Either way, I think chinese were chased back towards the lake. Video ends before they get back to boat.
3. So I cannot draw any conclusion from the above. The video must have been taken from Indian side since it appeared on fB. It must have appeared by approval of military censors.

Why?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Aug 2017 21:48

By tomorrow the east asian and western media will pick it up

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 19 Aug 2017 21:51

From,

http://netnews.vn/Chiec-xe-tang-suyt-da ... 51599.html

A machine translation,

"In order to avoid escalation of tension, the Soviet frontier was ordered to chase Chinese people across the border. Beijing responds with the use of longer sticks, causing the two sides to become a stunt. The two sides sent boxers and wrestlers to the border, because both sides did not want to break out of war or lose face."

Related, Ussuri (Wusuli) River; clashes

Google Images, link will not paste!

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inm4fOr36xs

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Sovi ... r_conflict

Suresh S · Post by **Suresh S** » 19 Aug 2017 22:08

UB,s analysis is correct. chinks are retreating to the left of the screen meaning west but video is shot from the north looking south by indian troops and therefore chinks are actually running to the east towards their territory.likely before noon rather than evening looking at the shadow pointing west

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 19 Aug 2017 22:24

Incident was reported to have occurred on North Bank of lake. Video from north looking south, which makes sense. Then shadows are pointing east. So evening.
If India holds north shore then it is well inside Indian side of LAC (vertical, western, leg of the L-shaped lake).

sarkar · Post by **sarkar** » 19 Aug 2017 22:26

IA should arrest the intruders instead of getting into street fight with these chinese goons. That's what Armies do. For all we know they may not be regular PLA, but some local goons armed with stoned and iron rods.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Aug 2017 22:27

For arrest you need to plan overwhelming force and strike suddenly
Here it was 50 50 number