Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Ashokk » 24 Aug 2017 14:50

IAF gets Panagarh Hercules-ready amid high-decibel row with China
KOLKATA: The Indian Air Force has without any fanfare added more teeth to its capabilities in the east by commissioning Air Force Station Arjan Singh in Panagarh, about 150km northwest of Kolkata, in the middle of the stand-off with China in Doklam.

AFS Arjan Singh became fully operational, with its full complement of six C-130J Super Hercules strategic aircraft, in the last week of July. The Doklam stand-off with China started a month earlier.

Panagarh is the second location in the country, after Hindan in Ghaziabad, to have a base for the C-130J aircraft. Technicians and engineers from Lockheed Martin have been building hangars and other facilities for these aircraft at Panagarh for over two years. A senior IAF official in New Delhi said an Ilyushin Il-78 mid-air refueller has also been based at Panagarh to extend the endurance of Eastern Air Command (EAC)'s fighter fleet, particularly the Sukhoi Su-30 MKIs.

"The first of the C-130Js started arriving in India in 2011 and the first squadron (Veiled Vipers) was based at Hindan. These aircraft are considered among the most versatile in their class, capable of landing with troops and equipment at Advanced Landing Grounds with short runways close to the Line of Actual Control with China in India's northeastern states. The Super Hercules is not a mere transport aircraft. It is a strategic asset that can deploy troops in hostile territory at extremely short notice," another IAF officer said.

The hangars and other facilities at the bases at Hindan and Panagarh are hush-hush affairs not without reason. Entire Special Forces units with equipment bunk in air-conditioned quarters below the hangars. This enables them to mobilise within minutes and board the aircraft that are kept ready for take-off at any point of time. When not in actual operation, Special Forces personnel train both with and without the aircraft.

"Panagarh is crucial also because the Indian Army's newly raised 17 Strike Corps is to be headquartered there. Panagarh will also have one of the two high-altitude infantry divisions (59 Division) of the Corps based there. The 17 Strike Corps is being raised keeping in mind threats from across India's northern border. All these make AFS Arjan Singh a key strategic location. It is being kept at a state of full preparedness for 'short and swift' operations," the officer added.

The IAF believes that commissioning of AFS Arjan Singh will raise eyebrows across the LAC but officers maintain that it is all part of a schedule that has nothing to do with the present situation. However, assets like Il-78 refuellers are deployed for better preparedness during contingencies. With squadrons of the Mig-21s and Mig-27s being gradually phased out, the Su-30 MKI has become the mainstay of the EAC. These air-superiority aircraft have a range of 3,000km that can be more than doubled by mid-air refuelling, thereby increasing their potency manifold and enabling them to launch strategic weapons.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby samirdiw » 24 Aug 2017 16:21

China can possibly undertake intrusions in sections of its borders with India, where it enjoys logistical advantages


How could Chinese have logistical advantage on parts of this border (only 8 possible areas of conflict) so so far away from their mainland and so close to ours? Doesnt even make sense.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Iyersan » 24 Aug 2017 16:35

Bhutan bribed with $10 billion package by China....

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby pankajs » 24 Aug 2017 16:40

I can't claim to read his mind but can take a guess. Intrusions can mean many things like a patrol, a short standoff, a longer standoff or an outright occupation.

1. Pick a position where they have a *localized* advantage to start with. Say near one of their well stocked and well served towns.
2. That town is near an airport for quick support.
3. Is on or near a major highway for long-term support.
4. Indian position opposite is not that well fortifies or supplied.
5. Bet will be on India, while deploying a counter force, will not start a fight to evict the Chinese. IF Doklam was an Indian territory this would be the case even today. While we have stopped their advance they are still sitting there.

So low cost way to embarrass Modi unless we are willing to fight them off. Then we have the advantage. Even without a fight they might eventually pull back but in the interim they will sit on our side of the LAC.

I can think of one such place. Also the place that Shiv saar has identified for push into Tibet if we finally decide to do that.
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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby pankajs » 24 Aug 2017 16:40

Iyersan wrote:Bhutan bribed with $10 billion package by China....

Do you have sources in Bhutan or China? Or are you trolling the forum?

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby RajeshA » 24 Aug 2017 17:20

This is a fight China cannot win. With every passing day, all China is doing is strengthening the resolve of the Indians, China is stoking nationalism among Indians. So as soon as fighting starts, China can be assured that it would putting all their expansion into Tibet and East Turkestan into jeopardy. In the heat of war all agreements and understandings regarding Indo-Tibetan border would be null and void and China's soft underbelly would be at risk of being cut open by India, which would start regarding the boundary as a source of attack and intrusion. All the progress made by China since 1962 in improving relations with India would just evaporate. This is an age of social media, and there would be no Nehru who would try to limit the repercussions.

If however China withdraws, then it ends up losing the one big soft power it has: fear of the bully. Many Southeast Asian nations have here and there deferred to China lately, given in to Chinese bullying, especially regarding the Indo-China Sea (South China Sea). All this has happened without China even firing a shot. If China gives in, especially even as the tensions mount a lot more, and Indian Govt. becomes a lot more vocal, then whole of ASEAN would start showing China the middle finger. If China loses a border conflict, it would be curtains for China in Asia.

What Modi Govt. is giving China right now is an honorable way to retreat, a face-saver. If China does not take this face-saver, it is totally screwed. Either it will face a complete stop in trade with India and a thousand year war to go along with that, or it will face a world-echoing humiliation.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Chandragupta » 24 Aug 2017 17:23

Not sure how reliable but here is what I found -

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Econom ... with-India

http://idrw.org/china-woos-bhutan-with- ... ith-india/

All in the last 2 hours so more news may come up shortly.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby pankajs » 24 Aug 2017 17:46

It quotes Gobar whines ... We know what a great source of truth that particular rag is. Might be true but just that fact makes it suspect.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby hanumadu » 24 Aug 2017 19:27

http://www.livemint.com/Industry/Od63lI7qolyDCncKm76eiO/Chinese-solar-module-firms-reneging-on-India-contracts.html

The chinese are incredibly shortsighted.

Some Chinese suppliers have sought an increase of around 6 cents per watt in module prices in a market which they dominate. Module prices are currently around 37 cents per watt. Modules account for nearly 60% of a solar power project’s total cost.

“Many Chinese manufacturers are going back on their contracts. They are completely reneging on the contracts signed with Indian developers,” said Hero Future Energies chief executive officer (CEO) Sunil Jain.

“We did a contract in June for a delivery in August. The Chinese have come for renegotiation seeking a price increase. The Chinese manufacturers are aware that we have a firm deadline and that the failure to meet it will result in penalties on us, so they have resorted to this strategy,” alleged a New Delhi-based CEO of a firm that has been actively participating in India’s solar auctions, asking not to be identified.


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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby nam » 24 Aug 2017 19:47

Good lesson for our excessively smart idiots who dont want to produce locally and ride on Chinese imports. I am all for the Chinese jacking up the price.

GoI should not entertain any change in contract prices with the bidders. It is not GoI's headache. It was the bidders who decided on Chinese import, so it is their risk. This news report is fundamentally to extract more money from GoI.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby pankajs » 24 Aug 2017 20:11

I agree. Those who were trying to make a quick buck just based on price arbitrage must go out of business. These folks are just like the fly by night operators.

GOI mustn't allow instillation targets to help out these guys.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby UlanBatori » 24 Aug 2017 21:07

Wow! Those numbers work out to 62 cents per Watt for a completed installation. IOW, a complete 1kW system for $620 (w/o batteries but with inverter). This is sheer BS, but I see where the MNRE's Madarssa Math numbers were being pulled out of. The chinese were clearly dumpting to put domestic and American suppliers out of business. Now those who trusted them have a slight problem. :)

At reasonable market prices, a system still costs around $400 for 250W, or maybe $1300 for a 1KW. Which is twice the above number. In huge quantities, maybe $1000 per kW or the dream figure of $1/W. Yesss!! So I want to see these crooks go out of business. GOI should blacklist them as well. to clear the dirt out of the renewable energy market.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby UlanBatori » 24 Aug 2017 21:22

Point is, these below-market prices for solar PV have been killing initiative in other fields such as biogas. We can provide biogas installation for like 1/4 the price of real solar PV costs. But it's only heat. Putting in converters to generate electricity adds cost, but it is totally worth it (slightly purified biogas can quickly replaced half the imported cooking gas). And the systems are india-genius (chinese use constant volume biogas which is a hole in the ground, whereas Indians use constant pressure/floating lid, which above-ground, much more maintable and portable).

So this PV dumping by the lizards has been totally killing the sensible options in India's energy scene with completely artificial and nonsensical approaches. For instance, ask urself why it makes ANY sense to build a HUGE ("biggest in the world") PV installation in one place (what they r doing in Tamil Nadu). Doesn't the sun shine anywhere else? Why put in humongous power lines or suffer the dissipation losses taking the power tens of kilometers when you could have generated it on-site at the point of use? Answer: Big bribes stupid people and crooked vendors with artifically low bids.

Death to them all. OT I know, but not OT because this is another example of chinese war on Indians. Boycott is highly overdue!

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Jarita » 24 Aug 2017 21:53

The latest tweets by Himant Biswa of Assam are that China is releasing dam waters to coincide with the rains and causing flooding, else there should be no flooding this year.

https://twitter.com/himantabiswa/status ... 2760542208

https://twitter.com/himantabiswa/status ... 0420197377

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Iyersan » 24 Aug 2017 21:56

Jarita wrote:The latest tweets by Himant Biswa of Assam are that China is releasing dam waters to coincide with the rains and causing flooding, else there should be no flooding this year.

https://twitter.com/himantabiswa/status ... 2760542208

https://twitter.com/himantabiswa/status ... 0420197377

They are killing my countrymen already. We must behead each Han that we get our hands on. I want war with China. Kill them all.. pestilence :evil:

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Suresh S » 24 Aug 2017 22:00

Inko inke ghar me ghush ke maro not just in Tibet.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Prasad » 24 Aug 2017 22:24

The americans went to WTO and won against us when we decided to use only locally made solar panels right? This backstabbing behaviour by the chinese is ripe for ripping apart any deals made with them and telling local companies to buy indian instead.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby UlanBatori » 24 Aug 2017 22:30

Oh well... the lizards are also getting wet

2017 China floods
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2017 China floods
Location Guangxi, Guangdong, Hunan, Hubei, Jiangxi, Jiangsu, Anhui, Zhejiang, Shandong, Shaanxi, Yunnan, Sichuan, Gansu and Henan
Deaths 203+ (44 deaths in Ningxiang, Hunan[1])[2] [3][4][5][6][7]
Property damage US$5.70 billion

The 2017 China floods began in early June 2017. More than 14.9017 million people in 10 provinces and municipalities and regions were affected, especially the southern and central provinces and regions of Guangxi, Guangdong, Hunan, Hubei, Jiangxi, Jiangsu, Anhui, Zhejiang, Shandong, Shaanxi, Yunnan, Sichuan, Gansu and Henan. Hunan was the hardest hit. A total of 18,100 houses were destroyed, and more than 9,821-square-metre (105,710 sq ft) of crops were inundated (that is tiny!!!!!)

Many major rivers and lakes in China, including the Yangtze River, Zhujiang River, Dongting Lake, Poyang Lake were flooded to danger levels. The State Flood Control and Drought Relief Headquarter said on Sunday, July 2, that water levels in more than 60 rivers in southern China were above the warning levels due to sustained rainfalls in recent days.

Vice chairman of Xiangxiang Municipal Committee of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC), Liu Hequn (刘鹤群), was washed away by the flood.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby srinebula » 24 Aug 2017 22:35

ISRO has real time water level monitoring system that covers all our major reservoirs and rivers.
It's time for ISRO to extend coverage to all chinese dams that are on our river heads.
http://vedas.sac.gov.in:8080/vedas_web/ ... rt_hyd.jsp
http://www.isro.gov.in/observing-reserv ... -altimetry
http://www.mosdac.gov.in/content/saral-altika

Jarita wrote:The latest tweets by Himant Biswa of Assam are that China is releasing dam waters to coincide with the rains and causing flooding, else there should be no flooding this year.

https://twitter.com/himantabiswa/status ... 2760542208

https://twitter.com/himantabiswa/status ... 0420197377

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby shiv » 24 Aug 2017 22:38

A rising number of young Chinese people are failing fitness tests required to join the army because they are too fat and masturbate too much, state media has proclaimed.


A rising number of young Chinese people are failing fitness tests required to join the army because they are too fat and masturbate too much, state media has proclaimed.

The high rejection rate has triggered concerns that there are not enough youths in good physical condition to fill the ranks of the Chinese army.

A poor diet and frequent masturbation, leading to abnormally large testicular veins, are believed to be behind falling fitness levels, according to a report published in state-run military newspaper the People’s Liberation Army Daily.

Authorities also think the constant use of smartphones and drinking water with too high a mineral content are to blame.

In one city, 56.9 per cent of potential recruits were rejected after failing fitness tests. One in five was simply deemed too fat.

The report claimed 8 per cent of male candidates suffered from enlarged testicular veins. “This is related to sitting too long on computer games, excessive masturbation and too little physical activity,” it said.

Some 46 per cent were rejected for failing the vision test, with the excessive use of electronic gadgets such as smartphones and tablets blamed.

The newspaper report added that the number of additives in junk food and fizzy drinks, as well as high mineral content in water, was damaging candidates’ livers and gallbladders.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby UlanBatori » 24 Aug 2017 23:08

enlarged testicular veins.
:eek:
Never heard of that one b4. What's wrong with that in the military? But this throws a new light on the floods in china.


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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby UlanBatori » 25 Aug 2017 01:27

Come on! Ppl are shifting the goalposts. The agreement is that no one shall alter the ground realities. India does not accept Chinese roads in that area. If Bhutan doesn't care, well and good for Bhutan, but Indian security interest becomes even more important. India didn't ask chinese to leave the area, just to not build roads.

But overall this illustrates the importance of putting roads into Uttar Dharamsala etc instead of always sitting around appearing to complain about Chinese building infrastructure. IMO that Pangong Tso region needs to be de-lizardized.
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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby DrRatnadip » 25 Aug 2017 01:28

http://m.timesofindia.com/world/china/d ... 211504.cms

India is full of accidents, natural disasters: China warns citizens

BEIJING: China on Thursday intensified its criticism of India and issued a second advisory warning its citizens living in India about various safety risks. The moves come ahead of the BRICS summit, which will see leaders from five countries, including Prime Minister Narendra Modi, meeting in the Chinese city of Xiamen in early September.
"It seems that Indian side is slapping its own face," Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said while discussing reports that India was building a road between Marsimik La to Hot Spring in Ladakh sector.
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Beijing's aggressive stance indicates that a strategy for creating a situation that might make it politically difficult for Modi to attend the BRICS summit, observers said.
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In its advisory about India, it said, "There frequently occurred natural disasters, traffic accidents and infectious diseases in India."

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby UlanBatori » 25 Aug 2017 01:30

India was building a road between Marsimik La to Hot Spring in Ladakh sector.

Good. Hope it cuts through lizard-infested territory too.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Rishirishi » 25 Aug 2017 01:47

shiv wrote:A rising number of young Chinese people are failing fitness tests required to join the army because they are too fat and masturbate too much, state media has proclaimed.


A rising number of young Chinese people are failing fitness tests required to join the army because they are too fat and masturbate too much, state media has proclaimed.

The high rejection rate has triggered concerns that there are not enough youths in good physical condition to fill the ranks of the Chinese army.

A poor diet and frequent masturbation, leading to abnormally large testicular veins, are believed to be behind falling fitness levels, according to a report published in state-run military newspaper the People’s Liberation Army Daily.

Authorities also think the constant use of smartphones and drinking water with too high a mineral content are to blame.

In one city, 56.9 per cent of potential recruits were rejected after failing fitness tests. One in five was simply deemed too fat.

The report claimed 8 per cent of male candidates suffered from enlarged testicular veins. “This is related to sitting too long on computer games, excessive masturbation and too little physical activity,” it said.

Some 46 per cent were rejected for failing the vision test, with the excessive use of electronic gadgets such as smartphones and tablets blamed.

The newspaper report added that the number of additives in junk food and fizzy drinks, as well as high mineral content in water, was damaging candidates’ livers and gallbladders.



China has a HUGE social problem becase of the one child policy.
1 child will have, 2 parents (both single children) and 4 grandparents (who only also have a single grandchild). Nedless to say, there is a huge pressure on the poor child as 6 adults follow up. Not good soldier material.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Akshay D » 25 Aug 2017 01:52

DrRatnadip wrote:
"It seems that Indian side is slapping its own face," Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said while discussing reports that India was building a road between[b] Marsimik La to Hot Spring in Ladakh sector.


But a road/track always existed between Marsimik La and the hot spring area. The old and the new roads are both visible in sat images. Its not even close to the LAC, on average about 3-10 kms as the crow flies. The chinese have really lost it.

The hot spring area or post is the place where an indian police memorial is located.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby chola » 25 Aug 2017 03:03

Amoghvarsha wrote:https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/China-woos-Bhutan-with-10-billion-in-standoff-with-India

Not good news for us.



True to form. This is their strength. Intimidation and buying people off.

Their weakness is actual fighting.

It is in our interest to engage them in their weakness.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby eklavya » 25 Aug 2017 03:37

The official Bhutan government stance is published on their Foreign Affairs ministry website, and it clearly states that the Chinese are violating the understanding between the two countries. These press reports are rubbish, these journalists are cheaper by the dozen.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby g.sarkar » 25 Aug 2017 04:16

This is getting to be old:
http://www.news18.com/news/india/india- ... 00747.html
EWS18 » INDIA1-MIN READ
China at it Again, Says India 'Slapping its Own Face' by Building Road in Ladakh
Beijing said the western sector of the boundary where India plans to build a road is not “delimited”. It warned that the move was not “conducive” to peace in the region.
Beijing: China on Thursday said India has “slapped its own face” by deciding to build a road near Pangong Lake in Ladakh and it would only worsen the Doklam dispute.
Beijing said the western sector of the boundary where India plans to build a road is not “delimited”. It warned that the move was not “conducive” to peace in the region.
India's Home Ministry has reportedly approved the building of a road from Marsimik La to Hot Spring in Ladakh. Marsimik La is about 20 km from Pangong Lake, where Indian and Chinese troops scuffled last week.
India and China have a dispute over the Line of Actual Control in the western sector of Ladakh.
"It seems that the Indian side is slapping its own face," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said reacting to the development.
"The Indian side is closely following China's road building, but India's action itself has proven that the Indian side says something and does another," she added.
"Its words are complete contradictions to its deeds on the border issues," she added.
"Now, the current road construction in that area by the Indian side is not conducive to peace and stability in that area."
"It will not help with settlement of the current situation," Hua said referring to the Doklam crisis.
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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby sum » 25 Aug 2017 04:26

I guess with the sheer amount of ramblings , literally everyone in India has now stopped taking the Chinese seriously and they have now reached the same level as TSP blabbering something which no one even listens to

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Suraj » 25 Aug 2017 05:19

sum wrote:I guess with the sheer amount of ramblings , literally everyone in India has now stopped taking the Chinese seriously and they have now reached the same level as TSP blabbering something which no one even listens to

That's by far the most important outcome of all this. PRC has been reduced from an omnipotent world power to a loud chihuahua. The entire response from India so far has been - to second what YIPatel said a few pages ago - nothing short of exemplary. PMO, EAM, IA have all done their part perfectly, standing up to the bully to the point that PRC cracked and exposed itself as a lot weaker and incapable than previously assumed.

You'd have thought in May that in response to India literally bulldozing Chinese positions, they'd send a posse of 5th gen aircraft and supersonic bombers outfitted with long range missiles to flatten us. Instead they send someone to go to a prop shop to get a wig and paste it to his chin for a video he stars in together with some woman who sounds like mickey mouse. And they get Xinhua to produce it.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Karan M » 25 Aug 2017 05:24

long term
- build up ammo stocks & serviceability of IA, IAF, IN (my favorite)
- negotiate long term agreements for uninterrupted energy & raw material supplies (PRC will attempt to attack this)
- use QA labs and other agencies to not break WTO but prevent and reverse PRC dumping in india
- increased focus on our own unique weapons which PRC cant buy/predict, eg BMD/Hypersonic Brahmos/K-4 Shaurya etc. Basically non standard weapons systems
- continued focus on economy and MII. its rattling them.
- continued focus on IB to weed out crooks.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby sudarshan » 25 Aug 2017 05:24

It used to be Indo-Pakee, the dreaded hyphenation that forum members here would fulminate over. Let China get over the irritating hyphenation with India now. For now it serves India's purposes to let some such informal hyphenation take place vis-a-vis China. Later that hyphenation with China can also be shaken off, like the Indo-Pakee hyphenation (anybody even remember Indo-Pakee equal-equal today?).

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SriKumar » 25 Aug 2017 06:40

I took a look at this link posted earlier, about China trying to buy Bhutan with 10 billion $, and it looks like a trail-balloon, fake news type of article. But it is interesting. Nikkei name sounds Japanese, the readership (and perhaps ownership) of this article seems to be Chinese and Japanese. They have editions in both languages.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Econom ... dia?page=1

In several paragraphs, the tone of the article is propagandist in nature though the article tries to strike a carefully neutral tone.
According to Indian government sources, China and India informally agreed to simultaneously reduce troop deployments in phases, aiming for a complete withdrawal between September and October, or at least by year-end.
This is suspicious....I dont see why an Indian govt source is going to talk to a Chinese (or Japanese) journalist about sensitive and incomplete matters.

And this takes the cake:
Speaking to Indian reporters earlier this month, a Chinese diplomat said that Bhutan clearly acknowledged to Beijing that the area where Indian troops entered is not part of Bhutan.
Absolutely. This is exactly what was mentioned in the oscar-winning comedy video produced by Xinhua. :rotfl: with laugh track and everything.

After all the public lies that have come from China's foreign ministry (e.g. no troop engagement in Ladakh) this article expects us to believe a Chinese diplomat's statement on Bhutan's position on the Dokalam issue. I dont know which is more laughable: that the article takes the Chinese diplomat's word at face value, or that Bhutan's supposed/purported reversal on the matter (which clearly has not happened) would be secretly communicated only to the Chinese govt. (the same govt that marched off the Bhutanese soldiers at gun point 6 weeks ago).

I think the article is another attempt at muddling the waters...or throw stuff at the wall and see what gobar sticks.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby shiv » 25 Aug 2017 06:56

Jarita wrote:The latest tweets by Himant Biswa of Assam are that China is releasing dam waters to coincide with the rains and causing flooding, else there should be no flooding this year.

https://twitter.com/himantabiswa/status ... 2760542208

https://twitter.com/himantabiswa/status ... 0420197377

I like this as propaganda but I have a hard time believing this otherwise. I have been mapping the Tsangpo and Subansri in China and have found only 6-7 big dams out of scores and scores of tributaries. And no dams on the main river itself. That aside as the Tsangpo enters the big bend the tributary numbers increase and the terrain becomes bad for dam building - there are no dams. Finally - looking at Arunachal Pradesh and upper Assam there are hundreds of tributaries running down the south slopes of the Himalayas into India all inside India - all pouring water as the mountains stop the clouds. I doubt if the Chinese could make a huge difference to water flow in India

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Pulikeshi » 25 Aug 2017 06:57

Amoghvarsha wrote:https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/China-woos-Bhutan-with-10-billion-in-standoff-with-India

Not good news for us.


I hope it is! :P
The more the Chinese throw their money around hoping to get folks indebted and hence subservient the better in the long run...
Fake news aside... such spending gets very expensive very quickly and will further bankrupt the Chikonomy! :evil:
Bhutan should just say - "Its peanuts!" And ask for $50b :mrgreen:

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Bade » 25 Aug 2017 06:59

Let us for argument sake, accept the Chinese sob story that it is not Bhutanese territory and Indians are intruding on Chinese land. So how come they have not driven us out from there yet. It has been bloody three months already. :rotfl:

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SriKumar » 25 Aug 2017 07:05

^^^ Bade, :D Good point. Classic!

Pulikeshi wrote:
Amoghvarsha wrote:https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Economy/Policy-Politics/China-woos-Bhutan-with-10-billion-in-standoff-with-India
Not good news for us.
I hope it is!
I too was hoping it would be true. If it was, it meant that China did not want a military confrontation with India and was trying hard to find another way out of this. I read the article, and to my chagrin it did not sound credible.


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