Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Prem » 27 Aug 2017 10:52

Gagan wrote:Maybe someone can distribute Chinese Mastram for the increased vigour of the Pilla soldiers

Pilla = PLA


It's Time,Pyarelal pay visit to China .

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby g.sarkar » 27 Aug 2017 12:46

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... t-4815193/
Sikkim standoff: Army chief Bipin Rawat warns against complacency, says more Doklam-like incidents possible in future
Indian and Chinese troops have been locked in a stand-off in the Doklam area of the Sikkim sector since last two months after Indian troops halted the Chinese army from building a road in the disputed area.
Amid the ongoing standoff between the troops of India and China at Doklam in the Sikkim sector, Army Chief General Bipin Rawat on Saturday said that Beijing is attempting to “change the status quo” on its border with India and predicted that incidents like the current impasse in Doklam are likely to “increase” in future. “The recent stand-off in the Doklam plateau by the Chinese side attempting to change the status quo are issues which we need to be wary about, and I think such kind of incidents are likely to increase in the future,” Rawat said, while delivering the General B C Joshi Memorial Lecture on ‘India’s Challenges in the Current Geo-Strategic Construct’ organised by the Department of Defence and Strategic Studies of Savitribai Phule Pune University.
General Rawat also warned his forces against complacency and called upon the soldiers to be extra vigilant against the Chinese forces. “We should not be complacent. Let us say that this stand-off is resolved, but our troops should not feel that it can not happen again in different sector,” Rawat said. “It is always better to be prepared and alert than think that this will not happen again. So my message to troops is that do not let your guard down,” the Army Chief added.
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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby g.sarkar » 27 Aug 2017 12:53

https://www.forbes.com/sites/douglasbul ... 1bc4292d35
Has India Called China's Bluff Over Doklam?
Douglas Bulloch , CONTRIBUTOR
While the world's attention continues to focus on a combination of Brexit, U.S. domestic politics and North Korea, the news from the Himalayas remains tense. Maybe the mere thought that China and India might actually be going to war still seems implausible to many outside the region, but the obvious diplomatic routes out of the Doklam standoff are closing fast. Just last week an absurdly racist video broadcast on Chinese state television revealed–if anything–a casual disregard for the dangers of treating large, powerful states as a kind of roadkill on China's rapid rise.
To begin with, the problem seemed like a misunderstanding, but at each point where either side might have made overtures towards a de-escalation, the situation has merely worsened. The Indian government has said little, suggesting they feel the deployment of their troops conveys pretty clearly what their intentions are. Whereas the Chinese have been very vocal, denouncing India's move as a provocation from which a failure to withdraw will merely oblige China to administer a disciplinary slap, limited in scope, but overwhelming in effect.
Sticks and Stones
Curiously though, recent days have seen the Himalayan standoff at Doklam take a back seat to wider strategic issues as another video emerged of Chinese and Indian troops engaged in what looks like a mass brawl on the shore of Pangong Lake in Ladakh. The encounter was surprisingly violent and showed clearly injured men being dragged away after being pelted with stones, but according to some seasoned experts on the region this level of violence is "not unusual."
It is not clear who released the video, or quite frankly, which side caught the worst of it, but if anything it indicates that neither side is accustomed to backing away. Furthermore, it reminds both sides that the contested border is long and unstable along its entirety, meaning that a dispute in one region is not obliged to stay there. Which raises the stakes of any military effort China might engage in.
Nevertheless the perception remains that India is strong and well-positioned in and around Doklam, while not quite so secure on other parts of the border. Indeed, this is one reason why India is highly unlikely to concede anything to China in this region, given that the main reason why they are relatively well prepared is simply that the Siliguri corridor is strategically sensitive. Furthermore, China may be powerful, but deploying serious forces in Doklam would be hazardous given that India both controls the heights and can mobilize three mountain divisions numbering upwards of 50,000 troops in total, all of which are already deployed close by.
Indeed, the threat of this current incursion by China into Bhutanese territory is likely to be a key reason why there are so many Indian troops close by, so it would have been strange if they had not acted exactly as they have done. In historical terms it would be comparable to France ignoring German troops in Belgium. Despite China's public bravado, it is not at all clear that they would be able either to push Indian troops back or prevent the situation from escalating. Which raises the question of what else China might do to put pressure on India?
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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby vijaykarthik » 27 Aug 2017 14:28

ZH has picked the lead in what Himanta Biswas Sharma has been mentioning. However, ZH says its highly unlikely that China will use water as a strategic weapon against other nation states. D'oh - I think they just did use it recently.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-2 ... zing-water

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby vijaykarthik » 27 Aug 2017 14:28

^^
FTA:

It is highly unlikely that China would ever deliberately unleash such a destructive act upon its neighbors, but the fact remains that it wields enormous leverage as an upstream nation by its ability to control life’s most essential resource.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Bart S » 27 Aug 2017 17:26

Sorry, that article is poorly researched, at least for the claims about the subcontinent. At least for India, China has only marginal control on water sources. Most of the water in the rivers join it after it crosses the Indian border.


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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby AdityaM » 27 Aug 2017 17:33

With roads like these, the only one who will get neutered is us. Forget taking war to chinaman

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby UlanBatori » 27 Aug 2017 17:46

On the topic of floods - has anyone ever heard of floods in Tibet?

Recent movie: Something bad happened - maybe an asteroid hitting. Predictable, so there were 4 big ships built (in china, where else?) and all humans worth saving got on these, and 3 sank, and the last one was drifting with no propulsion and about to hit Mt. Everest when it was brilliantly saved by all the herrowines lining up on deck and simultaneously fa**ing towards Mt. Everest. So yes, I have heard of floods in Tibet on chinese side.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby UlanBatori » 27 Aug 2017 17:57

China’s southern neighbors are not worried without reason. In the past, India has blamed sudden discharges from Chinese dams for several flash floods including one that caused an estimated $30 million in damage and left 50,000 homeless in northeast India.
Each year, during China’s rainy season, downstream nations are on high alert as Chinese dams release water to ease pressure with little warning.
“A discharge by a dam will have a domino effect on the whole system, which can cause huge damages,” explained Le Anh Tuan, deputy director of the Research Institute for Climate Change in Vietnam.

If the rivers are already overflowing banks, any additional discharge plays havoc. Anyone saying china won't do something that horrible is, well.... (I hope they r right..)

And this time the reptiles are facing floods in their own lands, so they have no hesitation about diverting the water to India instead.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Gagan » 27 Aug 2017 18:42

Only 3 rivers come into India from Tibet
1. Indus
2. Sutlej
3. Brahmaputra

All three have some contribution from tibet, but then pass through very high mountains, some snowcapped throughout the year
Hydrodynamic experts need to pitch on this, but the morons who are dhoti shivering have a) little understanding of geography & b) even little understanding of a river ecosystem and lives of rivers

These idiots look at a map for a few seconds and see that a river originates in Tibet, and so start to dhoti shiver

If people remember, there have been landslides in tibet near where the Sutlej enters India. Once the river was blocked, and india provided satellite and hydrodynamic data to the chinese to 'encourage' them to clear that river landslide. The chinese were twiddling their thumbs then

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby pankajs » 27 Aug 2017 19:16

There are two views wrt the rivers originating in Tibet.

1. The data supports the view that China can't do much harm given that only 7% [IIRC, Shiv saar's figure] of the total discharge originate from across the border. Without looking at the terrain, etc I can still see 2 concerns.
1.a The upper reaches can face water scarcity as well as floods given that for them much of the flow is from across the border. As we start moving further into India the impact will continue to fall. So the Chinese can create localized dry and wet spell closest to the border.
1b. These rivers must have quite a bit of seasonal variation. So while 7% on aggregate does not sound much but the impact of the cross border flows is likely to be greater in the lean season.

2. We must not dismiss the value of a good human story to pile pressure. See the
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-bu ... ater-22053
China Is Weaponizing Water [August 26, 2017]

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/chi ... wars-18254
China and India's Slow-Moving Path to 'Water Wars' [November 1, 2016]

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SriKumar » 27 Aug 2017 20:05

SSridhar wrote:More Doklam-like incidents possible in future: Army chief - PTI
China is attempting to “change the status quo” on its border with India and incidents like the ongoing stand-off in the Doklam area are likely to “increase” in future, Army Chief General Bipin Rawat said today.

“The recent stand-off in the Doklam plateau by the Chinese side attempting to change the status quo are issues which we need to be wary about, and I think such kind of incidents are likely to increase in the future,” Rawat said.

He was delivering the General B C Joshi Memorial Lecture on ‘India’s Challenges in the Current Geo-Strategic Construct’ organised by the Department of Defence and Strategic Studies of Savitribai Phule Pune University here this evening.
Very interesting. This was delivered 1-2 days ago, by the the sitting COAS Gen. Bipin Rawat. The comment that Doklam-like incidents are likely to increase in the future assumes that this Dokalam incident will not lead to a war and will be resolved peacefully (if a war happens, there wont be other Dokalam-like incidents for sure. No one can predict what happens then. Probably there will be incidents well inside Tibet and other places).

But maybe I am reading too much into this comment. It could simply be a warning to China that India is not going to let them have a free run on the border any more. Coming from the COAS, I am sure the Chinese military leadership will be apprised of the lecture. I am counting this lecture as the official position of the GOI on the current stand-off.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby RajeshA » 27 Aug 2017 20:26



What this really means is that India would be calling out such kind of incidents a lot more. The Indian Army fully expects that it would perceive the Chinese as trespassers more often. The Indians have now decreased the bar, when we would see Chinese as entering out land. In a disputed border, we are now drawing the Lakshman Rekha at our maximum claim line. That means Indians are taking the war to China now.

Chinese need a kick in the nuts, and Indian Army is willing to accommodate this need.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Gagan » 27 Aug 2017 20:29

There is probably intel to this effect

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SriKumar » 27 Aug 2017 20:36

RajeshA wrote:


What this really means is that India would be calling out such kind of incidents a lot more. The Indian Army fully expects that it would perceive the Chinese as trespassers more often. The Indians have now decreased the bar, when we would see Chinese as entering out land. In a disputed border, we are now drawing the Lakshman Rekha at our maximum claim line.
All of the above is a scenario only if a war does not happen due to Dokalam. Do you agree?

The other possibility is that maybe the general, like any good fighter, is bored stiff of the Dokalam stalemate with nothing but talk happening there :D. and decides to up the ante. And so this is IA/GOI's position/warning if China decides to try its stunts elsewhere while the Dokalam confrontation continues.

BRICS meeting is 1 week away. GOI is probably broadcasting its position just in case any discussions are to take place there on Dokalam.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby manjgu » 27 Aug 2017 21:46

its not important where river originates but where is the catchment area of the river.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby UlanBatori » 27 Aug 2017 21:59

The trouble with dams upstream is that they can ***STORE** a heck of a lot of water. So if the reptiles so decide, they can send a 100 times the normal flow of the downstream river. With the head buildup of such a height, the downstream impact can be immensely devastating. The critical term for sheer damage is "washed away" which implies dynamic pressure, not just water depth. So yes, those dams need to be taken into protective custody.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby RamSuresh » 27 Aug 2017 22:16

Share of water (like 7%) is relevant only to measure capacity to divert. Storage capacity is a better measure of the potential to cause havoc through flooding. If China releases five days of storage on top of peak flow, it can create havoc.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby amohan2001 » 27 Aug 2017 22:26




That sounds like a threat to Chinese. :rotfl:

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Karthik S » 27 Aug 2017 22:29

A defeated enemy will come better prepared next time they say. We get it that their H&D was massively punched, better to prepare ourselves better. Anyway in next 3 4 years, our rate of military modernization will be much faster than theirs.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby UlanBatori » 27 Aug 2017 22:35

If you want to know how bad things are in Yunnan, consider this:

4. Re: Rains and flooding in Yunnan province
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WHAT inactivity? You see that there are posts all over the place within two days of this!! So it has all been censored.

Why? Because there have been thousands of deaths in what used to be the "catchment areas" for rainwater, now overbuilt by corrupt CPEC officials who falsified the floodplain records to make a fast buck on real estate. This is why hundreds of thousands of homes "collapsed" though there was no seriously high wind in Yunnan. Shoddy construction and fast-flowing water. The thread above closed right after someone posted on the floodplain construction scandal.

Flooding has been getting worse since late July and by now the death toll is into the hundreds of thousands, all suppressed. It's like East Pakistan 1969, the cyclone that killed 300,000.
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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Katare » 27 Aug 2017 22:43

So army chief is saying we are going to bulldoze more Chinese roads?

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby UlanBatori » 27 Aug 2017 22:45

Walk across and push them out, and remind them of the Pangong Tso beating video to help them turn tail.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Suraj » 27 Aug 2017 22:45

RajeshA wrote:


What this really means is that India would be calling out such kind of incidents a lot more. The Indian Army fully expects that it would perceive the Chinese as trespassers more often. The Indians have now decreased the bar, when we would see Chinese as entering out land. In a disputed border, we are now drawing the Lakshman Rekha at our maximum claim line. That means Indians are taking the war to China now.

Chinese need a kick in the nuts, and Indian Army is willing to accommodate this need.

Yes, the COAS is basically saying India's going to do the block and stare down tactic again and again now, taking on Chinese incursions in kind rather than just complain about them.

The only way to deal with a bully is to make them suffer repeatedly. There's no such thing as 'lets move back to original positions' when dealing with one. Anything we grab, we're keeping; what's ours is ours, what's theirs is negotiable.

The cellphone video was quite pathbreaking in that sense, showing just how close and personal the melee gets sometimes.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby shiv » 27 Aug 2017 22:54

RamSuresh wrote:Share of water (like 7%) is relevant only to measure capacity to divert. Storage capacity is a better measure of the potential to cause havoc through flooding. If China releases five days of storage on top of peak flow, it can create havoc.

I don't want to sound like I am making light of this. I have marked out all the major dams. One set of dams - if water is released -it will have to flow 600 km through Tibet before reaching India. From the other set water has to flow 350-400 km in Tibet before reaching India. There will be downstream flooding in Tibet as well including cities like Lhasa, Shannan and Nyingchi. As I have been saying for the past 6 months - look at the sat photos in detail before reaching judgement

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby yensoy » 27 Aug 2017 22:56

I think Chief's statement indicates that we are going to start enforcing our claims better, possibly because China has never returned to the border negotiations with their version of the claim maps. Chinese strength and threat comes from the fact that large sections of the border are undemarcated, and so far we have let them get away with intrusion after intrusion. Hardening of our stance may be because the border talks are getting nowhere, even in the relatively simpler central areas and other-than-clearly contentious areas like Aksai Chin & AP.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby kancha » 27 Aug 2017 23:06

Folks, posted another blog this evening, titled People's Liberation Army - A History of 'Valour'. Nothing that isn't already known here on the forum, but thought of putting it together in one place. Do have a look.

Blog Link

Twitter Link

To conclude all I will say is that this Indian Army is NOT the Indian Army of 1962, but the PLA soldier of today is STILL the same as the PLA soldier of 1962. He STILL cannot fight, esp when faced with a worthy enemy, and days of sacrificing him by the hundreds are gone for good.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Guddu » 27 Aug 2017 23:28

Here's the COAS talkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_jM6dYKnwE
No nonsense talk, but I love Doval's talks much more, they tend to be philosophical.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Y I Patel » 27 Aug 2017 23:36

Reports of Bhutan's quiet negotiations with China on settling their border issues as part of a large aid package from China should not be discounted, and need to be viewed as an act in extremely bad faith.

Bhutan owes its existence as an independent and moderately well off country to India's continuing and unstinting support. Left to itself, it would have gone the way of Tibet. China's reported overtures fit neatly with the observed pattern in other countries like Sri Lanka and CARs, where China has subverted the ruling classes through the corruption that accompanies its massive aid packages. After benefitting from India's largess during critical times, it is extremely self-serving of Bhutan to now turn around and seek a more "balanced" approach to international relations. This is nothing but a ploy to collect rent from its strategic location between India and China.

In fact, Bhutan's approach is remarkably similar to that of Sheikh Abdullah, who sought to maximize personal gain from India's and Pakistan's rivalry over J&K. Abdullah's malign role in the events that led up the Operation Grand Slam don't need recounting over here, but the most important thing to underscore is that all of his scheming with Pakistan was brought to naught when the Indian Army crossed the International Border.

And this is exactly what has happened now at Doka La. Once again, the Indians behaved contrary to the expectations of an all-powerful and strategically brilliant dictator through a highly unexpected act of boldness and initiative. So what do these considerations tell us about India's best course of action over Dokalam? Firstly, that Bhutan was complicit in brining about the crisis, and should not be relied on to be mindful of India's security interests without some subtle but intense pressure. Now that India has upset a carefully stage-managed Chinese intrusion that was intended to hasten a settlement adverse to India's interests, the best thing India can do is to make sure the whole dispute does not have an early denouement. This actually means that armed hostilities may be against India's interests, because then Bhutan can use that pretext to settle the issue. Dragging the dispute on, preferably well past Jinping's CPC congress late this year, will introduce uncertainty and unpredictability necessary to bring the Bhutanese to their senses. Let this linger in a no-war no-peace state, and more inconvenient skeletons will be forced to tumble out of the closet.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Bart S » 27 Aug 2017 23:37

UlanBatori wrote:The trouble with dams upstream is that they can ***STORE** a heck of a lot of water. So if the reptiles so decide, they can send a 100 times the normal flow of the downstream river. With the head buildup of such a height, the downstream impact can be immensely devastating. The critical term for sheer damage is "washed away" which implies dynamic pressure, not just water depth. So yes, those dams need to be taken into protective custody.


UB saar, that will be akin an attack on the scale of a biological or chemical warfare attack, and any move towards that will certainly be preempted by India going to war to take over those territories.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby UlanBatori » 28 Aug 2017 00:30

the northern chunk (that China is offering) being 20x the size of the western chunk (Doklam).

Both are Bhutanese land, so the leptires are offering one piece of stolen property "in exchange for" another. Yes, Bhutan may accept the offer, but tomorrow the leptires will simply occupy that again - or somewhere else. How can they trust the leptires? In fact they will take all of Bhutan, which is their real aim. India needs to insist that whatever the situation, no chinese road is tolerable in Doklam plateau.
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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Y I Patel » 28 Aug 2017 00:47

SriJoy wrote:^^
If China is offering Bhutan recompense of land around Kula Kangri in exchange for Doklam, we cannot fault Bhutan for looking at the offer seriously: both these tracts of land are sub-alpine grazing lands, with the northern chunk (that China is offering) being 20x the size of the western chunk (Doklam).

We cannot be naive enough to think countries will prioritize another nation's strategic interest over their own benefit. Our failure in Nepal is already critically exposing India's lack of cogent and realistic foreign policy approach in its own neighbourhood.



If China is offering 20x times the area elsewhere, this shows how valuable Dokalam is. And why is it valuable? Does it have oil? Water? Uranium? No. All it has is the ability to dominate Indian positions in the Siliguri corridor by observation. Think about a well placed radar site on the ridge eastwards of Mount Gipmochi. A revealing exercise in this regard is to look southwards in Google Earth from the Dokalam Plateau towards India and observe how many vital security installations can be monitored from there.

To put it bluntly, Bhutan is very well aware of the vital importance of this location to India in peace and war. So it is cynically trying to extract rent from India. There is no way India should let that happen.

Now China very likely told Bhutan something like "Oh don't worry about India. They will bitch and moan through their media, but you (Bhutan) can always claim that you need the independence to deal independently with China to resolve Bhutan China issues without India vitiating the talks..." How do you counter all of that? By calling China's bluff. By letting China loose all its credibility at a military power by doing sabre rattling without any follow up. By showing that the PLA is all bark and no bite. But making this drag out month after painful month of war mongering without a single shot being fired. By using all that Chinese media bits as evidence of how this region is disputed. And then by insisting that al such disputes be resolved [b]trilaterally[\b].

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Y I Patel » 28 Aug 2017 00:48

Y I Patel wrote:
SriJoy wrote:^^
If China is offering Bhutan recompense of land around Kula Kangri in exchange for Doklam, we cannot fault Bhutan for looking at the offer seriously: both these tracts of land are sub-alpine grazing lands, with the northern chunk (that China is offering) being 20x the size of the western chunk (Doklam).

We cannot be naive enough to think countries will prioritize another nation's strategic interest over their own benefit. Our failure in Nepal is already critically exposing India's lack of cogent and realistic foreign policy approach in its own neighbourhood.



If China is offering 20x times the area elsewhere, this shows how valuable Dokalam is. And why is it valuable? Does it have oil? Water? Uranium? No. All it has is the ability to dominate Indian positions in the Siliguri corridor by observation. Think about a well placed radar site on the ridge eastwards of Mount Gipmochi. A revealing exercise in this regard is to look southwards in Google Earth from the Dokalam Plateau towards India and observe how many vital security installations can be monitored from there.

To put it bluntly, Bhutan is very well aware of the vital importance of this location to India in peace and war. So it is cynically trying to extract rent from India. There is no way India should let that happen.

Now China very likely told Bhutan something like "Oh don't worry about India. They will bitch and moan through their media, but you (Bhutan) can always claim that you need the ability to deal independently with China to resolve Bhutan China issues without India vitiating the talks..." How do you counter all of that? By calling China's bluff. By letting China loose all its credibility as a military power by doing sabre rattling without any follow up. By showing that the PLA is all bark and no bite. But making this drag out month after painful month of war mongering without a single shot being fired. By using all the Chinese media rants as evidence of how this region is disputed. And then by insisting that al such disputes be resolved trilaterally.
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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby UlanBatori » 28 Aug 2017 00:55

India should learn from China. Look at "6-Party Talks". North Korea == USA, SoKo and Japan reduced to slaves and not allowed to speak. Russia irrelevant neighbor invited to watch. China is Elder Statesmanlike Brother telling small fry to quit squabbling. India should do likewise. Bhutan==PeeAllSee. India decides security of Bhutan. Wonder if China will be OK with IA stationing, say, an armored division and a couple of airbases in the north 20x meadows looking down on Chinese installations.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby RajeshA » 28 Aug 2017 01:29

We need to start apprehending Chinese soldiers at the border and selling them off to the brothels from Africa to Afghanistan as chickney hairless lady boys and leashed pets and then tip-off a BBC team to make a documentary on their plight with them sitting there with lipstick on!

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby sanjaykumar » 28 Aug 2017 01:42

Let's put things off until 2015.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Prem » 28 Aug 2017 02:14

I am sure Bhutan knows that if it conspire to become part of security threat posed by china, India has the right to preemptive measures which may not be good for regime in Thimphu.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Manish_Sharma » 28 Aug 2017 02:22

Bart S wrote:
UB saar, that will be akin an attack on the scale of a biological or chemical warfare attack...



Wouldnt it drown Bangladesh too?

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Bade » 28 Aug 2017 04:04

Bhutan has the choice to handover the two districts adjoining the valley to India and be done with it as was suggested at the outset of this crisis. Then it becomes solely an India-China issue. In any case they do not seem to have civilian presence in those areas adjoining Chumbi valley to be of any value to them.

This way they can get out of the fight which is beyond them to settle with China. They could be compensated with land elsewhere too by India.


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