Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby KLNMurthy » 30 Aug 2017 20:45

SSridhar wrote:Meanwhile, The Hindu proves yet again why it is a Chinese mouthpiece with this atrocious article, Lessons from Dokalam.

The author beats Global Times in his analysis, IMO.

The Hindu and JNU and EJ axis of evil.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby shiv » 30 Aug 2017 21:34

shiv wrote:Funny to think that the Chinese have been making aggravating moves all over the South China sea and beyond. They intimidated Vietnam and the Philippines. and got compliance by olive green dick-waving. I don't think they expected that taking over a little plateau in Bhutan and spouting the bullshit about 1890 agreement etc would lead to India actually preparing for war, And preparations for war - while not advertised were clearly visible to those who were looking for such signs. Further confirmation from reports in the last few days - the Doklam area defences (offensive forces actually?) were beefed up making Chinese military moves untenable. They could see that.

As I pointed out earlier - a link from Prasad
https://warontherocks.com/2017/08/count ... of-doklam/
China used the same playbook in Doklam as it has in other territorial disputes, especially Vietnam and the Philippines. This playbook usually involves four elements. The first step is to develop a larger or more permanent physical presence in areas where China has already has a degree of de facto control — whether that means new islands in the South China Sea or roads in the Himalayas. Using its military to build infrastructure in the Doklam area was likely an attempt to consolidate China’s control along its southwestern border, including this disputed area where it has patrolled for some time.
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China’s playbook, however, did not go according to plan this time, because it did not account for India’s unexpectedly swift and assertive response to its road-building. India did not simply voice displeasure or threaten to punish China if it continued to pursue its territorial claims as the United States and Southeast Asian countries have done in the South China Sea. In those cases, China used its coercive playbook effectively, forcing its adversaries to either back down or raise the ante. And as China’s uncontested gains have shown, its adversaries have generally lacked the capabilities, and especially the political resolve, to escalate crises.

But in this situation, India thwarted China’s coercion through denial — blocking China’s attempt to seize physical control of the disputed territory.



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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby chola » 30 Aug 2017 21:49

RajeshA wrote:I noticed that in the Doklam-standoff, Japan made a pro-India statement. That is a good portent. This is what needs to be done more often. The moment some country in Asia has a problem with China, others need to start asking China to adhere to international norms and pull back. If Mongolia, or Vietnam or Philippines or India or Japan or Taiwan feel any pressure from China, others need to speak up.

That way, the Chinese people would start feeling that it is China that stands alone in Asia and the world and has no friends.

There is a need for all countries to be outspoken, and not "just mind their business".



Agree. But the biggest problem with this and I wrote about this previously is that all the countries you named: Mongolia, Taiwan, Vietnam, Philippines and even Japan contributes to PRC power by trading with it.

Again, the PRC is not a military power. It is a trading manufacturing nation that builds lots of aircraft, ships and tanks to intimidate not fight wars.

Unless we or someone else can replace Cheen as the center of Asian trade and supply chain the chinis will never feel alone. Just look at Japan's trade and tourism numbers with the PRC compared to us. The prospect of that changing is nil as long as our economy is so much smaller.

Kicking their arse militarily is a far more likely and profitable solution.

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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Singha » 30 Aug 2017 22:02

SEAD variant of J10 showcased in airshow
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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby RajeshA » 30 Aug 2017 22:26

shiv wrote:China’s playbook, however, did not go according to plan this time, because it did not account for India’s unexpectedly swift and assertive response to its road-building. India did not simply voice displeasure or threaten to punish China if it continued to pursue its territorial claims as the United States and Southeast Asian countries have done in the South China Sea. In those cases, China used its coercive playbook effectively, forcing its adversaries to either back down or raise the ante. And as China’s uncontested gains have shown, its adversaries have generally lacked the capabilities, and especially the political resolve, to escalate crises.

But in this situation, India thwarted China’s coercion through denial — blocking China’s attempt to seize physical control of the disputed territory.


Despite all the economic and military power China now wields, one thing they don't want is to be seen as warmongers, as someone who initiated a border war, because that would mean Chinese image as a responsible UNSC member and world's prime export-country would go up in smoke.

It is one thing for China to come down heavy on its minorities and to wage some side-war against Uyghurs, or to even threaten Taiwan because all that is considered internal issues or some trouble under One-China Policy. However waging a border war against Mongolia, Vietnam, India, Philippines, etc. would not just mean China would be considered as some an "evil power", it would have severe economic consequences, as China would be seen as aggressor, warmonger, bully.

So China tries to keep all its conflicts and territory grabs under a certain level of conflagration. But bullying is China's nature and cannot let go of it.

So it pays to stand up to China.

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Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Peregrine » 30 Aug 2017 23:01

Facing resistance from other members, China aborts bid to enlarge BRICS

BEIJING: China aborted its attempt to create a permanent BRICS Plus feature and invite other countries to join in following resistance from the other members of the five-nation grouping, including India, who apprehend dilution of BRICS's goals if other counties, including Beijing's close allies, are brought in.

The next BRICS summit, scheduled for September 3 and 4 in the Chinese city of Xiamen, will be attended by Prime Minister Narendra Modi and leaders of host China, and member nations Russia, Brazil and South Africa.

Speaking at a press conference in Beijing on Wednesday, Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi indicated that Beijing has not been able to convince other members about its BRICS Plus plans.

"We need to have some further explanation about BRICS Plus to help people better understand the rationale of this idea," Wang said. At the same time, Wang defended Beijing's move to expand BRICS's role and influence by inviting other countries, and make it more capable of creating a multi-polar world instead of one dominated by Western countries.

China has invited five non-BRICS countries to attend the Xiamen summit but this will be a temporary arrangement limited to this summit. It's a privilege of the host country. India, which held a summit in Goa last year, had invited several neighbouring countries, Wang said.

Pakistan, regarded as China's closest ally, is not among the five countries Beijing invited. These are Thailand, Egypt, Tajikistan, Mexico and Guinea, representing five different continents, that play a key role in China's One Belt One Road (OBOR) programme that involves construction of transport networks across dozens of countries.

China has been campaigning for the creation of a permanent BRICS Plus arrangement to enable non-BRICS countries to play an active role, sources said. BRICS had started off with four members and Beijing was instrumental in bringing in South Africa at a later stage. Critics say China wants to expand the BRICS mechanism as a means to garner wider influence for itself.

"It's in the interests of all sides to strengthen cooperation among emerging markets and developing countries through BRICS; therefore, China has proposed the BRICS plus concept based on past experiences," Wang said.

Modi announced his decision to attend the meeting after the two countries agreed to end the border standoff at Doklam near Sikkim but tensions between the two Himalayan neighbours has not evaporated. There are indications Beijing agreed to settle the dispute because it feared disruption of the conference if Modi decided to stay away.

"What's important is that we put these problems in the appropriate place, and appropriately handle and control them in the spirit of mutual respect and based on the consensus of both countries' leaders," Wang said. "There is huge potential for cooperation between China and India," he said.

Wang also said, "China stands ready to work with other BRICS countries to make BRICS cooperation bigger, stronger and more solid to benefit not only the five BRICS countries, but also the whole world." How about making all UN Members as Members of the U N Security Council?

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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby UlanBatori » 30 Aug 2017 23:17

Xi will refrain from mentioning Xit in Xi-Amen? :mrgreen:

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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby ramana » 30 Aug 2017 23:32

The Hindu op-ed on "Lesson From Dokhlam" writer seems very unhappy despite his name Happymon Jacob.

At least live up to his parents desires than CHindu antinational agenda.

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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Marten » 31 Aug 2017 00:03

UlanBatori wrote:Xi will refrain from mentioning Xit in Xi-Amen? :mrgreen:

That's what Xi said! :lol:

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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby anupmisra » 31 Aug 2017 00:46

ramana wrote:The Hindu op-ed on "Lesson From Dokhlam" writer seems very unhappy despite his name Happymon Jacob. At least live up to his parents desires than CHindu antinational agenda.


Unhappy because the check is not in the mail.

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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby KLNMurthy » 31 Aug 2017 03:11

anupmisra wrote:
ramana wrote:The Hindu op-ed on "Lesson From Dokhlam" writer seems very unhappy despite his name Happymon Jacob. At least live up to his parents desires than CHindu antinational agenda.


Unhappy because the check is not in the mail.

At this point we should assume that certain key members of JNU faculty as well as the lutyens elite are in China's pay.

It is up to the government to follow the money trail and nail these individuals.

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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Mort Walker » 31 Aug 2017 03:39

I see no reason to be happy about this outcome. It has happened because defense preparedness is weak. The IAF needs at least 400 LCA immediately and the IA 1000 Arjuns. The IN needs at least 6 more Arihant class subs.

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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby UlanBatori » 31 Aug 2017 03:48

I am beginning to understand why Chinese are developing tanks with hovercraft bases.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Guddu » 31 Aug 2017 04:02

SSridhar wrote:Folks, I don't understand why we link all sorts of things with Doka La issue: NSG, Masood Azhar, Pakistan and I don't know what else is on the way.

I want to know if there is any hint from any Indian/Chinese official or any theory linking all these with Doka La.


I think it was a WION newscast where the Chinese representative said that China could be flexible with NSG in lieu of India showing flexibility on OBOR. So I think these things are discussed...it would seem to be the natural thing to do. Everything is linked to everything, none of these issues should or can be dealt with in isolation.

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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Sanju » 31 Aug 2017 05:23

Mort Walker wrote:I see no reason to be happy about this outcome. It has happened because defense preparedness is weak. The IAF needs at least 400 LCA immediately and the IA 1000 Arjuns. The IN needs at least 6 more Arihant class subs.


One doesn't go to war because we have all the shiny weapons required. We go to war because we have to. The shiny new Pattons didn't help the Pakis in 65.
As my Mother in law, retd IA Colonel, just told me, "The man behind the machine matters more than the machine."

The reasons to be happy are:
1) This was a synchronised show between IA, IAF, IN, MEA, MOD, all coordinated and directed by PMO. There was not a misstep. Commendable.

2) The first time Chinese helped the Nation was in 1962, when they stopped the dissolution of IA by the Chief Bandit.
The current generation was being lulled into accepting the "benevolent" ComChins. Here the large hearted Chincoms stepped into arrest that sentiment with "Le Affaire Doklam".

3) We have created a template for other countries to follow. More importantly created a template for us to repeat. Now the Chincoms have to rethink their 3W or whatever warfare strategy they have devised.

4) We have a really good excuse to review our deals with them. Such as the Pharma purchase, telecom contracts, anti-dumping measures.

5) Perception in World Capitals matter and here the Indian diplomats will get a boost.

6) The Indian armed forces definitely got a boost from the backing they received from the Govt and all sections of the society. They stared the Dragon down in front of the eyes of their own countrymen. Izzat matters!

All the above points doesn't mean that we sit on our collective backsides, for now, just enjoy the moment for what it is - a defining moment in India China engagements.

This is only a chapter in the new book, more to be written. I sincerely hope and pray that we write the epilogue as we have written the prologue.

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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby UlanBatori » 31 Aug 2017 06:57

7) I ain't buying no more Chinese-made watches at War-Malt. Nothing has changed with my Sanctions.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby shiv » 31 Aug 2017 07:00

Guddu wrote:I think it was a WION newscast where the Chinese representative said that China could be flexible with NSG in lieu of India showing flexibility on OBOR. So I think these things are discussed...it would seem to be the natural thing to do. Everything is linked to everything, none of these issues should or can be dealt with in isolation.

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Do the cheenis think all Indians are that stupid?

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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby nandakumar » 31 Aug 2017 07:01

Happy on Jacob's position is on very predictable lines. His sole prescription for the Indian Government in any challenge to the authority of the Indian State is, "engage". Thus, we must engage with China, engage with Pakistan, Kashmiris, Naxals and so on. As if China has no obligations to proactively engage as in don't build a road in what someoneelse regards as his territory. He must have been a diary in his previous birth.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby RCase » 31 Aug 2017 07:50

Peregrine wrote:MODI JI, You Neutered and Defeated Eleven! Yes Indeed - You did It!

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Some Tzuchitaypa for the day ...

Q: Modiji, how did you divide Eleven into two?
Modiji: Hum Mathematician nahin hain. Exactly nahin batha saktain. Do-Valuj 5 & 6 ke beech mein hain! :D

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 31 Aug 2017 08:23

Guddu wrote:I think it was a WION newscast where the Chinese representative said that China could be flexible with NSG in lieu of India showing flexibility on OBOR. So I think these things are discussed...it would seem to be the natural thing to do. Everything is linked to everything, none of these issues should or can be dealt with in isolation.

Oh, no.

China offers many such 'package deals' to every country which are loaded entirely in its favour and China violates them in due course. Dai Bingguo, the legendary Special Representative on the border issue said, “If the Indian side takes care of China’s concerns in the eastern sector of their border, the Chinese side will respond accordingly and address India’s concerns elsewhere.". By this they meant Tawang to go to China and then they would offer to India lands that anyway belonged to India but which China claims as its own.

The same is the case in Bhutan. It offers a package by which, it will give up Bhutanese lands in the north for the Bhutanese Dolam Plateau in the south!

It takes away the EEZ of Philippines because it falls under its arbitrary and imaginary nine dashes and in spite of a stern ruling from UNCLOS but then it offers a package deal for joint exploration of oil & gas. It gave a similar 'joint development' package deal to Japan in the disputed East China Sea and then sucked out all the gas from the Japanese side too illegally.

NSG is India's right by way of its technological achievements, its scrupulous adherence to non-proliferation, its status as a potential supplier of nuclear material for peaceful purposes and its status as a nuclear power. China may stand in the way because decisions are arrived at by unanimity in the NSG but India is not looking to gain entry there by the 'benevolence' of the Chinese Emperor. It will happen on India's own right.

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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby manjgu » 31 Aug 2017 10:03

a) can we have a BR code 'Dokalised' to signify what India did to China. India dokalised the Hans..vietname dokalised the Hans !! b) on the NSG entry, i dont think given the nature and rules of entry to the NSG club it can happen without chinese benevolence or some kind of quid pro quo or extreme presure on Indias behalf by the powers to be. c) I have a question..will India oppose OBOR if it passed thru Nepal into India and named CHina India Nepal corridor?

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 31 Aug 2017 11:29

rohithome wrote:Interesting analysis of Doklam standoff outcome in terms of Game Theory

http://www.dailyo.in/variety/doklam-sta ... 18898.html

I don't know how many read the interesting article posted above. It concludes thus:
Many analysts, convinced by the Chinese rhetoric, assume that the Chinese will ultimately resort to an attack. Hence, India will be better off withdrawing immediately.

India, on the other hand has called for a mutual withdrawal. To achieve this, it needs to convince China that it has ripped out its steering wheel and will not swerve.

When both players are convinced that the other will attack, the game will collapse to the (Stay, Stay) outcome. This means the conflict ends at the original Prisoner’s Dilemma game.

Then the two countries must cooperate to reach the mutually beneficial outcome of mutual withdrawal instead of needlessly expending resources in a futile standoff.

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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Philip » 31 Aug 2017 11:37

Silly Chins.Didn't do their homework properly.They should've known that Dokla is Modhiji's fav. grub!
Anyway,we should not celebrate so quickly.The BRICS summit will see much Chin shoving and pushing to get India to come aboard its OBOR Express,which we're hoping to derail.The massive trade deficit is also something that our PM must bring up most vociferously at BRICS,as prosperity for just China isn't worth being a member of this ambitious entity.OBOR will only benefit China and we should stay firmly out of it. Shielding known terrorists and terror outfits and keeping India out of the NSG membership are also v.serious inimical acts against India.At BRICS we must call a spade a spade.

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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby chetak » 31 Aug 2017 13:26

x posted from the political thread.

This is an interesting take on china, especially, given the recent doklam standoff.

We may be able to get some idea as to why the hans reacted the way that they did.



https://youtu.be/A3uaQyttZuw

American Analyst Describing Why China is Worried About Rising India


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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby RajeshA » 31 Aug 2017 14:11

chetak wrote:x posted from the political thread.

This is an interesting take on china, especially, given the recent doklam standoff.

We may be able to get some idea as to why the hans reacted the way that they did.



https://youtu.be/A3uaQyttZuw

American Analyst Describing Why China is Worried About Rising India



Fantastic!!!

This is really China's dilemma! Portray India too much as an equal military and economic rival, and the Chinese regime loses all legitimacy in eyes of the people. That is why China will also never allow India to be part of the UNSC Permanent Veto-carrying members. Chinese people would start asking how come India gets to party all night and still passes the exam next day with flying colors, whereas Chinese have no democracy or freedoms and have a military power only equal or even inferior to that of India. So Chinese react with downplaying India, ignoring India or trying to humiliate India.

The day India's governance, political stability, economy, military and technologically prowess surpasses that of China, Chinese regime would be ripe for full scale implosion.

Basically this same phenomenon is to be seen with Pakistan. Since Pakistan cannot respond to India conventionally, it does so through terror and Islamic Radicalization under the umbrella of nuclear blackmail. The day India and Hindus manage to neutralize and castrate Islamic bombast in the Subcontinent, there would be a flood of Ghar Wapsi applications, because all are in the end ethnically Subcontinentals, irrespective of the four-fathers of Pakistani Elite.

Indian and Hindu Virāṭata and Pracanḍata are extremely dangerous for regimes in China and Pakistan.
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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Philip » 31 Aug 2017 14:13

The Chins are suffering from a deep inferiority complex vis-a-vis India.Indian philosophy,culture and religion spread throughout Asia even into China, through Buddhism and Hinduism.The rump of the ASEAN region was called Indo-China.Yet despite Buddhism peacefully spreading across China,Japan and Korea too,Hinduism in other parts too,Confucism and Chinese philosophy and its current fervent anti-religion campaign has had ziltch takers in 1.4 billion strong India and in other ASian countries!
Wherever the Chinese go today they are detested for their arrogance and uncouth behaviour. This is not the behaviour of simpletons or village bumpkins,but an inverted superiority complex accompanied by sneers. Have you seen a Chinese smile at another foreigner? I've seen so many of them abroad but they rarely do. Locals are considered inferior.Their press on the Doklam issue displayed a singular lack of civility.Sev. of our ministers were shocked at the level of venom directed against India.

As in that classic comedy "The Party" starring the great Peter Sellers,his epic line.."we Indians don't think who we are,we know who we are" is one for the ages.It completely described "the Indian".He may be materially poor,travel on a camel or cart,live in a thatched-roof hut,eat humble dal and roti,wear khadi,but he is rooted to the land whose culture,religion and traditions span millennia ,which he adores,cherishes and loves with all his heart and soul. He knows who he is and where he came from.India.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Peregrine » 31 Aug 2017 14:24

Guddu wrote:I think it was a WION newscast where the Chinese representative said that China could be flexible with NSG in lieu of India showing flexibility on OBOR. So I think these things are discussed...it would seem to be the natural thing to do. Everything is linked to everything, none of these issues should or can be dealt with in isolation.
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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 31 Aug 2017 14:25

Chinese students, expats are now flexing muscle over Doklam in Australia - Economic Times
The senior Australian bureaucrat seems to be referring to a recent incident in which a University of Sydney Information Technology lecturer was forced to issue a public apology after Chinese students expressed outrage over his use of a map showing Chinese-claimed territory as part of India.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Peregrine » 31 Aug 2017 14:38

SSridhar wrote:Folks, I don't understand why we link all sorts of things with Doka La issue: NSG, Masood Azhar, Pakistan and I don't know what else is on the way.

I want to know if there is any hint from any Indian/Chinese official or any theory linking all these with Doka La.


Guddu wrote:I think it was a WION newscast where the Chinese representative said that China could be flexible with NSG in lieu of India showing flexibility on OBOR. So I think these things are discussed...it would seem to be the natural thing to do. Everything is linked to everything, none of these issues should or can be dealt with in isolation.
Guddu Ji : Herein I repeat my rant "By joining OBOR and/or CPEC India will have to give access to Traffic from and to Clapistan."

Please repeat the MANTRA "Any Land Transportation involving Clapistan HAS TO BE AVOIDED LIKE THE PLAGUE!" BASTA!"
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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby TKiran » 31 Aug 2017 14:38

SSridhar wrote:
rohithome wrote:Interesting analysis of Doklam standoff outcome in terms of Game Theory

http://www.dailyo.in/variety/doklam-sta ... 18898.html

I don't know how many read the interesting article posted above. It concludes thus:
Many analysts, convinced by the Chinese rhetoric, assume that the Chinese will ultimately resort to an attack. Hence, India will be better off withdrawing immediately.

India, on the other hand has called for a mutual withdrawal. To achieve this, it needs to convince China that it has ripped out its steering wheel and will not swerve.

When both players are convinced that the other will attack, the game will collapse to the (Stay, Stay) outcome. This means the conflict ends at the original Prisoner’s Dilemma game.

Then the two countries must cooperate to reach the mutually beneficial outcome of mutual withdrawal instead of needlessly expending resources in a futile standoff.


As the outcome was as exactly recommended by the game, it means that the assumptions made were correct (reminding that the report was atleast 15 days before the deal was reached)

The basic assumption is that the both sides would be cooperative.

The outcome came only after Eleven replaced the western commander with someone who has no knowledge of mountain warfare.

In that case,
1. There are some elements in PLA who are not cooperating and that was the basic reason the conflict prolonged for unusually longer period.

2. PLA is not rational when it's steering wheel is broken for so long.

3. One more year of standoff could have lead to PLA doing something stupid which would have lead to bloodying it's nose.

4. India was begging Hans to co-operate. (What I mean to say is that India was looking for a diplomatic solution for a very advantageous military manuvre, and we gave up the advantage)
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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby pankajs » 31 Aug 2017 14:41

Just realized because of this success of Modi GOI any future attempt by China to influence the Indian public opinion against Modi by trying a similar stunt will not work at least not to the same extent.

Many folks will draw the correct conclusions from this episode.
1. Firm stand and silent diplomacy works.
2. GOI will not back down even if resolution is not pronto.
3. Modi has done it once and can pull it off again. This will enhance Public confidence in him on defense at least.

For most Modi is now a battle hardened General especially the way he made the Chinese back off. It will allow him latitude to peruse resolution as he sees it fit and allow for longer time. The chance of the Chinese trying to upend Indian election by pulling similar stunt is gone.

Also, this standoff was accompanied by *more than the usual* psyops, at least in the Indian context. It was over the top and it almost seemed that war was imminent. One just has to look at the writing of *so called* Indian experts to realize how great an impact that was having. I don't watch TV so can't speak of their content.

It won't work anymore at least not with the Indian public and not to the extent it had this time. Psyops got blunted with their silent withdrawal. A case of the boy who cried wolf too many times. Next time, to make the Indian public this anxious, they will have to start a shooting match.
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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby asgkhan » 31 Aug 2017 15:04

I am still paranoid. These noodle brains yellow bellied savages will try 'kargil lite' during the election year to embarass Modi. Congee scums will try anything with this chinese goons to spoil the party.

Where is the full time defence minister yo !! Kiren Rijiju is da man to handle the portfolio.

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Re: Neutering & defeating Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby SSridhar » 31 Aug 2017 15:06

TKiran wrote:The outcome came only after Eleven replaced the western commander with someone who has no knowledge of mountain warfare.

In that case,
1. There are some elements in PLA who are not cooperating and that was the basic reason the conflict prolonged for unusually longer period.

2. PLA is not rational when it's steering wheel is broken for so long.

3. One more year of standoff could have lead to PLA doing something stupid which would have lead to bloodying it's nose.

4. India was begging Hans to co-operate

TK, I subscribe to theory # 1.

Within the Army and the CPC, there are far too many enemies for Xi. He is not Mao to ride roughshod over dissidence based simply on popularity, awe and aura.

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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby chetak » 31 Aug 2017 15:09

^^^^^^^


There seem to be more disappointed folks among the Indian chatterati and the lootyens goonda gang than among the chinese.

The outcome and the resolution of the doklam standoff has disheartened many Modi detractors.

Poor little buggers.

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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby pankajs » 31 Aug 2017 15:18

^
The gang is really gone bonkers. They want Modi to make peace with the Bakis at *any cost* but when Modi tries Lahore or allows Baki team access to Pathankot they use those backstabbings by Bakis as a stick to beat him with.

In the Indian mind the Chinese loom larger than life since 1962 and Modi has successfully stared them down. His stock on defense couldn't go higher except for a repeat of 1971. So now any misstep on Bakistan will be forgiven as "A sincere man with a good heart trying to make peace with the Bakis". Imagine that! It must be galling to see their only stick on defense and national security being snatched away.

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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby chola » 31 Aug 2017 15:37

All you need to know about the Cheen military and its ability to use it is this:

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/08/25/china-claims-young-men-too-fat-and-masturbate-too-much-to-join-military/
China Claims Young Men ‘Too Fat and Masturbate Too Much’ to Join Military


The fact we didn't take the fvcking bat to this pathetic bunch of SYRE wankers and knock them halfway to Lhasa is a pox on us for being fvcking defensive SDREs ourselves.

Making the PLA back down is not very hard. Vietnam and Taiwan give them the middle finger on daily basis. But we had a chance to bring war to the PLA and break it for a generation. It makes me sick to see us patting ourselves on the back for "winning" some ethereal concepts that exist in the human mind only like "face" that can't be measured. This is the kind of "moral victory" for pakis onlee.

For Bharat, I want real war, real punishment and real and permanent territorial change like 1971. We had that opportunity here but refused to take it.

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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby asgkhan » 31 Aug 2017 15:44

^^^ Shaanth merey gadha dhaari bheem, shaanth !! ^^^

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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Javee » 31 Aug 2017 15:46

Looks like One child policy is screwing up the lizzies left, right and center. Imagine the furor it will create if they come back in body bags, if these trends continue, then Pe El Yea will have to import soldiers from the neighboring countries/Africa.


More than 55 per cent of the 1,233 youngsters who tried out for the army in one unnamed city in Hubei province failed the test in recent weeks – mainly because of vision and weight issues,
the People’s Liberation Army Daily reported on Wednesday.

...Li Xianggui, chief director of a hospital in Jingzhou, told the newspaper he had seen a significant decline in fitness levels in the 20 years he had been involved in the military’s physical exams.

Although living standards were rising, many young people had unhealthy diets and more were overweight, he said.

..“In general, the physical condition of young people wanting to sign up is not ideal, but we can’t lower our standards when it comes to finding troops,” Gao Jindong, a military division commander in Jingzhou, was quoted as saying.

Although more young people had applied in the past two years, many of them were unable to pass the physical exams, according to Liu Deming, a military political commissar in the city.



http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomac ... inese-fail

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Re: Neutering & defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Postby Yagnasri » 31 Aug 2017 16:08

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 8369c12acb

WP trying to understand what happened and as usual making half job of it.



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