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CBI finds fake Chinese parts in India-made Dhanush gun; case filed against Delhi company for conspiracy
PTIJul, 22 2017 09:59:36 IST
CBI finds fake Chinese parts in India-made Dhanush gun; case filed against Delhi company for conspiracy
PTIJul, 22 2017 09:59:36 IST
Sorry fanne but that is typical dhoti shivering. We fear so much that we overlook our local advantages.fanne wrote:Chola sir, not convinced by 20:1 advantage. Thier land army is 2.5 times our in size. Not all high altitude acclimated, and not all against the Indian border, but they cannot be so less to give us 20:1 advantage. If anything, plaa has more men trained or can be aclimatized in few weeks giving them the advantage. Mountain warfare is different and with our mountain divisions and men we should score over plaaa plains army converted to fight in the mountains but their mountain divisions maybe as effective. In spite of your 20:1 advantage, I think if we dig deep enough ( hence my question to those who follow these kinds of stuff) the advantage could be 1:.7.
By its nature not big wars can be fought in these mountains and it is going to be slow with technology playing not that big an advantage. All these favor us. Moreover, Chinese can only win few more 1000 sq km, after that they have to step into Indian proper land where their supply lines will be heavily interdicted. Whereas we can win a million sq miles and logistically be in the same footing or better than the plaa. My take, given leadership and objective we cannot be taught a short lesson and long war is what China cannot win.
With tsp in the mix, jk is a possible play. Chinese gain nothing, tsp does, but I think we have decent advantage over tsp. We may or may not loose k but can severe sindh and Baluchistan (in case tsp army is concentrated in k, to overwhelm us they have to leave southern side unguarded). Tsp may gain k but would become a land locked country. Of course new clear detergent is not in play until now.
With any luck half of Malloostan population will go there to fight this very halal jihad too.pankajs wrote: The correct model is Afghanistan and not Vietnam. This time it will be *ordinary* Muslims fighting the godless to protect the *Citedal of Islam*.
A mix of both compounded by the fact that we cannot fight a greater than 10 day war.shiv wrote:Could you explain how the article suggests to you that we might be "sleeping yet again"? Is that anxiety or contempt I detect in your query.Iyersan wrote:Sikkim standoff: India needs to stop looking for reasons why China won't up the ante
http://www.firstpost.com/india/sikkim-s ... 42891.html
Are we sleeping yet again
Start by watching Shiv-ji's videos on YouTube. He lays it out pretty clear. From there we need to look at Chinese ORBAT and PLAAF divisions. The Chinese western theater has at its availability of roughly 7 PLAAF divisions consisting of at least 70-120 combat aircraft each. They don't have heavy lift air cargo, but do have a well established rail and road link into the Tibetan Plateau.fanne wrote: Having said that, can someone give a little more primer, what are the fronts, men/division committed to that, logistic constraints etc. Please all from open sources.
I dont know how people writing such articles get printed (dont know the antecedents of First POst, or Bikram Bohra) but his first sentence alone kills all credibility in the article, that the govt is 'cheerfully oblivious' to the Chinese belligerence at the border. The guy is high on dope or what I dont know. Indian army has a very good handle on Chinese belligerence, and has been watching the borders and pushing them back for decades now (all in public domain). And has he forgotten how GOI/Modi responded to cross-border attacks by terrorists from Burma or Pakistan, or the current action at the LoC where Pakistan (yesterday?) summoned the Indian ambassador (or someone similar) to complain about LoC violations.....a telling sign they are feeling the pain...of body bags coming from the LoC.Iyersan wrote:Sikkim standoff: India needs to stop looking for reasons why China won't up the ante
http://www.firstpost.com/india/sikkim-s ... 42891.html
Are we sleeping yet again
I'll be charitable to him and say that he's in a dhoti-shiver mode and desperately looking for re-assurance from somewhere. Someone should invite him to BRF and have him read this and other threads. Poor guy will sleep better at night.We have to get our ducks in a row and stop looking for reasons why they will not up the ante.
And to think that he aspired to lead UP. I think he has already been sidelined .. no major role in the party or the government. Hopefully will be denied the party ticket next time.SSridhar wrote:BJP should ask this guy to shut up.Bart S wrote:http://www.ndtv.com/opinion/how-india-c ... hi-1727511
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That whole family is problematic, whatever branch it is, and GoI must have nothing to do with them.
We should not stop of total victory. If push come to shove we must devise strategy to take back Akashi chin and free Tibet.Iyersan wrote:How can procurement be expedited in case of a short war with china? Read a news clipping that vice chief given significant purchasing powers and bureaucracy avoided
IIRC the process was started like some 10 months back. We should start receiving stuff soon in batches.Iyersan wrote:How can procurement be expedited in case of a short war with china? Read a news clipping that vice chief given significant purchasing powers and bureaucracy avoided
GOI even under BJP/Modi is not planning on a major *offensives* anytime soon on the Chinese front. Provocation will invite robust response but nothing beyond that. Our posture has been and is defensive and will continue for the foreseeable future.Iyersan wrote:We should not stop of total victory. If push come to shove we must devise strategy to take back Akashi chin and free Tibet.Iyersan wrote:How can procurement be expedited in case of a short war with china? Read a news clipping that vice chief given significant purchasing powers and bureaucracy avoided
I know we don't have offensive capabilities as far as the eastern front s concerned. We have always been too Pakistan centric when the real (Near and present) danger was and is and will always be china. We need offensive capabilities on eastern front
And logistically and politically this would be easier to do. Military action at Malacca straits could impact many nations, not just China but friendlies too, however blocking Burma port would hit China only (and Burma, which can be managed/mollified). But I dont know how critical it would be for China to have an interruption on just the oil traffic. It is easy to pump more of it and create extra stockpiles of it ahead of a war (like how the US did in Afghanistan before being blockaded by Pakistan on the land route, for about 6 (?) months). China is probably stockpiling extra oil right now. So it might be the the commercial/trade shipping that would be more critical, and that would point to Malacca as being more critical, since it handles traffic from multiple Chinese ports.pankajs wrote:We can't have it both ways.
IF we have the capacity and the b@lls to block Malacca we should be able tobombblock Myanmar Port of Kyaukpyu. If we don't have the b@lls to block Kyaukpyu we won't block Malacca.
How far is it from Bengal and Andaman bases?
Anxiety I can understand. Contempt from an Indian if living in India puzzles me. Forgive me if you are not Indian or not living in India.Iyersan wrote:A mix of both compounded by the fact that we cannot fight a greater than 10 day war.shiv wrote: Could you explain how the article suggests to you that we might be "sleeping yet again"? Is that anxiety or contempt I detect in your query.
So absolutely true, as domestic production and its acceptance brings a confidence in self like no other can. The average public who sees the govt doing import after import of weapon systems, and the forces approving only of the same would naturally begin to question its self worth as a nation which can fight long wars...except in slow burn mode like insurgencies.Mort Walker wrote:What this whole episode teaches is that import purchases of offensive weapon systems must come to a halt. Weapon systems must be Made in India, albeit with imported engines and sensors. The Rafale contract needs to be cancelled and the Russian FGFA contract needs to be cancelled, and all plans to import another single engine aircraft needs to stop as well. Ramp up domestic production of the LCA-Tejas and Su-30MKI to 1000 in the next 3-5 years, and begin production work on the AMCA to something like a 4.5 Gen combat aircraft.
It is more ready than the 300+ IAF Mig-21 and -27 which have reached the end of their useful life. We need 400 LCA Tejas now today! If there were 100 Tejas available to the IAF Eastern Air Command, on top of what there is now, the Chinese would not be spewing such vitriol.fanne wrote:LCA is not yet ready, however we wish it was
If that's so, whats stopping us from capturing Chumbi valley first ? that should get the Chinese away from CPEC pronto., ie what you are saying can be applied in reverse too.Bade wrote:Without taking over PoK region (Gilgit-Baltistan) managing the overall Chinese threat will remain a continuing problem for India. This involves a real war, beyond just a slap on the Chinese wrist at Doka La tri-junction. Even settling this current issue in India's favor, does nothing to contain the threat on the north west front.
But solving the PoK conundrum, helps J&K integration, and even a possible Aksai Chin assimilation back to the state and other long term concerns like the usefulness of Gwadar base to the Chinese. It would be such a massive jolt to the Chinese, that they would put to rest their pipe dreams of access to the Indian Ocean region via land routes. Everything else is just a side show including Doka La, despite its immediate threat to the North east corridor. It is quite possible this front was opened to tie India down in the east, so as to not take any action on the J&K front and CPEC.
Gandhian principles must be done away and replaced by more aggressive ones. We have to follow Israel.Third Dash wrote:To all those hoping for a war with China, it won't happen. We didn't crush the festering wound Pakistan for 70 years. We allowed them to get away with outright attacking us 4 times. What makes you think that we will not only annex land from a far stronger adversary but also actually start a war. When have we started a war with a foreign adversary in history ? You think that now, when India is all set to take off in growth that we will risk the damage and uncertainty of war ? That is just wishful thinking.
That is true. But Pakistan under Chinese control will have a Chinese foreign policy, taking care of Chinese interests. The Generals will salute to Chinese diktats. The local warlords will have to be disarmed and obey. The situation will be more like Afghanistan but more unruly and violent if that is possible.Peregrine wrote:[g.sarkar :g.sarkar wrote:This may be good news for us. Pakistan is not going to be docile like Tibet, with encouragement it may be Lizard's Vietnam. A slow boiling pot will consume a lot of lizard resources and the US may even play an active role.
Gautam
Sir Ji, with due respect and reverence the Clapistanis will - as JEM Ji stated - will Chop Off their Nuts to spite their Dicks (or similar words).
Just as the Islamic Countries are IMPOTENT in respect of the Chinese effort to cleanse the Muslim Uyghur in Xinjiang - not a "Dickie Bird" from the Two Bastions of Islam i.e. Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shiite Iran similarly Clapistan will even Eat their Morning Evacuation AS LONG AS THEY CAN HURT INDIA IN GENERAL AND HINDUS, JAINS AND SIKHS IN PARTICULAR!
You can take that to the Bank.
Cheers
Third Dash wrote:To all those hoping for a war with China, it won't happen. We didn't crush the festering wound Pakistan for 70 years. We allowed them to get away with outright attacking us 4 times. What makes you think that we will not only annex land from a far stronger adversary but also actually start a war. When have we started a war with a foreign adversary in history ? You think that now, when India is all set to take off in growth that we will risk the damage and uncertainty of war ? That is just wishful thinking.
That is just apologetic excuses. We were just as much American darlings till 1965. In 1998, again Pakistan got away with invading India. And what US backing ? The only time US actually threatened to enter war on Pak side is the time when we actually got something done. What more would US do that it didn't do at the time of India hater Nixon when his ally was cut in half.sanjaykumar wrote:
India didn't crush Pakistan not because of the strong mustachioed Punjabi army men in the PA, but because of American backing.
India did in fact launch a war on Pakistan, and created a new nation.
Peregrine wrote:g.sarkar Ji :
Sir Ji, with due respect and reverence the Clapistanis will - as JEM Ji stated - will Chop Off their Nuts to spite their Dicks (or similar words).
Just as the Islamic Countries are IMPOTENT in respect of the Chinese effort to cleanse the Muslim Uyghur in Xinjiang - not a "Dickie Bird" from the Two Bastions of Islam i.e. Sunni Saudi Arabia and Shiite Iran similarly Clapistan will even Eat their Morning Evacuation AS LONG AS THEY CAN HURT INDIA IN GENERAL AND HINDUS, JAINS AND SIKHS IN PARTICULAR!
You can take that to the Bank.
Cheers
g.sarkar Ji :g.sarkar wrote:That is true. But Pakistan under Chinese control will have a Chinese foreign policy, taking care of Chinese interests. The Generals will salute to Chinese diktats. The local warlords will have to be disarmed and obey. The situation will be more like Afghanistan but more unruly and violent if that is possible. And the generals, they will take their payoff and leave for the western countries.
Gautam
Don't know if real or mere posturing and propaganda.The Intel Crab @IntelCrab 2h2 hours ago
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