Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 14 Jul 2017 19:22

We need an extra 2-3 divisions to secure Bhutan when Balloon goes. The naval engagement with PRC will be side show. Real action will be on LAC.

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 14 Jul 2017 19:26

Paul wrote:India reacting to their buildup by building a huge navy would be playing into their and American hands. Tibet is their underbelly we need exploit it by raising 2 MSC.

Our enemies are next door to us, not across seven seas like America.

The reason India needs a strong navy to counter China is two fold:

1) To track and neutralize PLAAN ships in the IOR. As of the latest count China has 280-300 major combat ships, India has 65-70. If China sends just 10% of the PLAAN into the Indian Ocean and coupled with the Pakistan Navy, the IN will have it's hands full.

2) You talk about Tibet. The total population of Tibet is ~3 million, Xinjian province <25 million, Ningxia province <10 million, Inner Mongolia province ~25 million. So this vast area of south western China has a grand total of less than 75 million people and less than 1% of their GDP is generated from this area. These areas for the Chinese are their buffer zones. Even if India nukes these areas, it will be pinpricks for far away Shanghai and Beijing, located thousands of kilometers away.

Their economic heartland and engines are located off the South China and East China seas. The destruction of that area is the only threat that China will fear. That is why you need a strong Indian Navy to provide a credible threat to that area. That is China's soft underbelly, not Tibet. Tibet is sparsely populated cannon fodder. That is why the Chinese are building the fortified islands in the South China sea. To deny an a naval attacking force, the stand-off capability to attack coastal China. That is why India is in a strategic partnership with Vietnam, for access to the South China sea.

Yes, a setback in Tibet for China will be loss of face, but no great loss in terms of economic damage or damage to their overall national strength. For the Han Chinese, the coastal area is the real China, Tibet and the rest of south west China are colonies.

TKiran · Post by **TKiran** » 14 Jul 2017 19:32

Han are mightily pissed off with ISI right now.

Unfortunately, ISI set itself up with high standards because of 26/11. The time was good for ISI during UPA, and Barkha Dutt made it spectacular. But almost 10years back Han didn't have as much handle on ISI as they have right now. To their credit, ISI did 26/11 exclusively on its own.

But for the last 2 years Han are driving the ISI, they prodded ISI to concentrate on attacks on IA in Kashmir. They have been successful so far, but only thing is that there are no spectacular attacks like 26/11, which they can show live to Han in China. Also irreparable loss of Barkha Dutt is hurting them.

But They are trying hard to show live to Han how 10 boys from poor Pakistan are holding millions of Indian security forces at bay for 3days.

So Hans are putting huge pressure on ISI to do something more adacious than 26/11 before October when emperor Eleven is elected

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 14 Jul 2017 19:35

the south china sea has a depth of only avg 100m and same would be the famed yellow sea near peking.
this means large submarines would have a tough time operating there, which cheen squatting on every reef and stringing a mesh of hydrophones. this is precisely why there out to grab the SCS to create a safe bastion for their inshore defence forces to escort SSN/SSBN to the edge of deep water past the first island chain

to target anything on the gold coast, any adversary will either need a big teeth CVN*n task force, or else large SSGNs to stand off and unleash hellacious salvos of SLCMs - the virginias , yasens and oscars of the world.

we need to be careful in our sub designs. a yasen is what we need not a pure play SSBN....big, but also agile and packed with sub caliber tubes.

goes without saying we need the nirbhay working - there is no alternative - and we need a domestic engine for that @ scale asap. it will need to cart the thing atleast 1000km and preferably 1500km.

there is no way to reach the eastern seaboard with sukhois even with risky refuelings over international waters on the way.

naruto · Post by **naruto** » 14 Jul 2017 19:39

Apart from RohitsVats's excellent blog post and Shiv ji's video explaining the standoff, here is another excellent piece describing the geographical features and current dispute between India and China:
http://thediplomat.com/2017/07/the-poli ... -at-doklam

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 14 Jul 2017 19:41

i bet cheen is busy converting all their 094 class Jin class SLBM tubes to sub caliber SLCM tubes. they will use these to launch attacks from the sea and make it a tactically useful asset than just cowering in a cave in Sanya with virginias and seawolfs barking and prowling outside the door.

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 14 Jul 2017 19:46

Singha wrote: to target anything on the gold coast, any adversary will either need a big teeth CVN*n task force, or else large SSGNs to stand off and unleash hellacious salvos of SLCMs - the virginias , yasens and oscars of the world.

we need to be careful in our sub designs. a yasen is what we need not a pure play SSBN....big, but also agile and packed with sub caliber tubes.

goes without saying we need the nirbhay working - there is no alternative - and we need a domestic engine for that @ scale asap. it will need to cart the thing atleast 1000km and preferably 1500km.

there is no way to reach the eastern seaboard with sukhois even with risky refuelings over international waters on the way.

Exactly, e.g. the US has modified some of it's submarines to carry huge loads of Tomahawk cruise missiles, some have been modified to carry a 150 Tomahawk load. India needs that kind of capacity for Nirbhay per IN ship. Dedicated ships able to launch hundreds of Nirbhay missiles located outside the Chinese defensive lines in the South China sea.

I think right now the Brahmos carrying capacity of any IN ship is miniscule.

That alongwith pressure on the LAC will check the Chinese.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Jul 2017 19:57

Asserting sovereignty, Indonesia renames part of South China Sea - Straits Times

Indonesia renamed the northern reaches of its exclusive economic zone in the South China Sea as the North Natuna Sea on Friday {Fantastic} (July 14), the latest act of resistance by Southeast Asian nations to China's territorial ambitions in the maritime region.

Seen by analysts as an assertion of Indonesian sovereignty, part of the renamed sea is claimed by China under its contentious maritime boundary, known as the 'nine-dash line', that encompasses most of the resource-rich sea.

Several Southeast Asian states dispute China's territorial claims and are competing with China to exploit the South China Sea's abundant hydrocarbon and fishing resources. China has raised the ante by deploying military assets on artificial islands constructed on shoals and reefs in disputed parts of the sea.

Indonesia insists it's a non-claimant state in the South China Sea dispute but has clashed with China over fishing rights around the Natuna Islands, detaining Chinese fishermen and expanding its military presence in the area over the past 18 months.

Unveiling the new official map, the deputy of maritime sovereignty at the Ministry of Maritime Affairs, Arif Havas Oegroseno, noted the northern side of its exclusive economic zone was the site of oil and gas activity.

"We want to update the naming of the sea we gave a new name in line with the usual practice: the North Natuna Sea," he told reporters.

In Beijing, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said he didn't know anything about the details of the issue, but said the name South China Sea had broad international recognition and clear geographic limits.

"Certain countries' so-called renaming is totally meaningless," he told a daily news briefing. "We hope the relevant country can meet China halfway and properly maintain the present good situation in the South China Sea region, which has not come easily." {Threatening}

'CLEAR MESSAGE'

I Made Andi Arsana, an expert on the Law of the Sea from Indonesia's Universitas Gadjah Mada, said the renaming carried no legal force but was a political and diplomatic statement.

"It will be seen as a big step by Indonesia to state its sovereignty," he told Reuters. "It will send a clear message, both to the Indonesian people and diplomatically speaking." Euan Graham, director of the international security program at the Lowy Institute, said Indonesia's action followed renewed resistance to Chinese territorial claims by other Southeast Asian states. "This will be noticed in Beijing," he said.

Last week, Vietnam extended an Indian oil concession off its coast while a joint venture led by state-owned PetroVietnam commenced drilling further south. China has a territorial claim in both areas.

Meanwhile, the director of the Philippines Energy Resource Development Bureau, Ismael Ocampo, said on Wednesday that the country could lift a suspension on oil and gas drilling on the Reed Bank by December. The underwater mountain, lying 85 nautical miles off the Philippines coast, is also claimed by China.

Exploration activity was suspended in late 2014 as the Philippines sought an international ruling on China's territorial claim. The Philippines won the case in the Permanent Court of Arbitration in the Hague one year ago.

China refused to recognise the decision. Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte, who took office on June 30 last year, expressed reluctance about enforcing the decision at the time, as he sought deeper diplomatic and economic ties with China.

However, the Philippines lately has become more assertive about its sovereignty.

More than two dozen oil, gas and coal blocks, including additional areas in disputed waters, may be offered during the December bidding, Ocampo said on Wednesday.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 14 Jul 2017 20:13

China ‘breached, encroached’ territory in Doklam: Govt tells opposition parties
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 60Z5I.html
Significant!!!! This won't go well with yellow Hans!!!

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 14 Jul 2017 20:15

ldev wrote:
Singha wrote: to target anything on the gold coast, any adversary will either need a big teeth CVN*n task force, or else large SSGNs to stand off and unleash hellacious salvos of SLCMs - the virginias , yasens and oscars of the world.

we need to be careful in our sub designs. a yasen is what we need not a pure play SSBN....big, but also agile and packed with sub caliber tubes.

goes without saying we need the nirbhay working - there is no alternative - and we need a domestic engine for that @ scale asap. it will need to cart the thing atleast 1000km and preferably 1500km.

there is no way to reach the eastern seaboard with sukhois even with risky refuelings over international waters on the way.
Exactly, e.g. the US has modified some of it's submarines to carry huge loads of Tomahawk cruise missiles, some have been modified to carry a 150 Tomahawk load. India needs that kind of capacity for Nirbhay per IN ship. Dedicated ships able to launch hundreds of Nirbhay missiles located outside the Chinese defensive lines in the South China sea.

I think right now the Brahmos carrying capacity of any IN ship is miniscule.

That alongwith pressure on the LAC will check the Chinese.

They converted their Ohio Class SSBN into SSGN. We first need to go for pure SSN with dozen or so Brahmos/Nirbhay and remaining HWT.

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 14 Jul 2017 21:09

Karthik S wrote:
They converted their Ohio Class SSBN into SSGN. We first need to go for pure SSN with dozen or so Brahmos/Nirbhay and remaining HWT.

When confronting China, a dozen CMs is a pinprick, more of a technology demonstrator. We have to get out of this mind-set of declaring victory when we have built a technology demonstrator. And get down to building war winning platforms. In this instance you need the ability to launch hundreds of CMs. Sub-surface launch platform preferably, but if the Nirbhay max range can become comparable to the long range Tomahawk or Russian Kaliber at 2500 km, then even surface platforms will do.

And this again in the context of a large scale conventional war. If it turns nuclear then all bets are off.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 14 Jul 2017 21:13

We need to first concentrate on IOR before thinking about SCS region. For that we need SSNs with enough boats from Strait of Hormuz to Malacca Strait.

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 14 Jul 2017 21:16

^^
Thus ensuring that PLAAN does not have to deploy assets in the SCS for a defensive role and can concentrate on offense in the IOR. With this, India will be perpetually playing defence with China always one step ahead - always reacting instead of being proactive. I have already stated in my earlier post that with 280-300 major combat ships, China can tie down the IN in conjunction with the Pakistani Navy in the IOR.

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 14 Jul 2017 21:32

As the saying goes:

Countries can choose their friends, but geography ensures that you cannot choose your neighbors.

For India IMO the biggest potential strategic partnership to contain China will be with Japan. The efforts towards that have to be greatly accelerated. Both India and Japan have China as an expansionist neighbor. Going forward 10-20 years, the US role in this part of the world is uncertain. India and Japan have a joint capacity to design and manufacture weapons and to coordinate actions to protect their mutual interests vs China. This potential has to become reality.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Jul 2017 21:38

When we talk of heavily armed ships and Brahmos etc - let me ask for a thought experiment. In this experiment we ignore all losses that India suffers in a conflict and talk about what we have to do at the border to make the situation look negative for China in terms of international relations and its place as a trustworthy peacefully rising nation - a picture that China seeks to convey

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 14 Jul 2017 21:52

^^
I think China has moved beyond it's peaceful rise phase and that is evident to all countries. That phase lasted from 1979 for about 30+ years to 2013. There was some kind of internal Party paper published around that time which spoke of a new assertive China. I will have to really hunt to find it. After that paper was published you had the new aggressive China that resulted in the South China reef/island expansion in 2014.

In this confrontation with India, it is loss of face that China fears. Therefore unilateral withdrawal by China is out of question. It needs some kind of a face saving formula. It is Chinese arrogance that they can help Pakistan even with nuclear weapons to contain India, but how dare India help Bhutan in the defence of it's territory. In the event of a border war, nothing short of an outright victory for China will help it avoid losing face. Either a stalemate or god forbid, a tactical Indian victory will lead to an internal meltdown - with memories of the Sino-Vietnam war debacle being resurrected and that China is still a paper tiger.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 14 Jul 2017 22:04

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017- ... 444504.htm

by Xinhua writers Qu Junya, Xiong Ping, Tang Lu
BEIJING, July 14 (Xinhua) -- India has repeatedly ignored China's call for pulling its border-crossing troops from Doklam area back to its own territory. However, turning a deaf ear to China will but to worsen the month-long stand-off and put itself further into embarrassment.
India should not regard the existing situation as the same as or even similar to the previous two stand-offs in 2013 and 2014 near Ladakh, a disputed area between China, Pakistan and India in southeastern Kashmir. Diplomatic efforts led the troops frictions there to a well-arranged end. But this time it is a totally different case.
This is the first time Indian troops have crossed the border in the Sikkim section India has demarcated with China, which, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Geng Shuang said, is also the only determined boundary between the two Asian countries.
"The Sikkim section of the China-India boundary has been defined by the Convention between Great Britain and China Relating to Sikkim and Tibet(1890)," and both Chinese and Indian governments have repeatedly acknowledged it, Geng noted.
In June, Indian troops brazenly crossed into the Chinese territory in Doklam, stayed there and obstructed China from building a road there. Many arguments and protests from China have failed to bring India back to reason.
New Delhi claimed encroachment of its own territory by China before saying it sent troops to "protect" its "ally" Bhutan, a sovereign state which has apparently so far made no such an invitation for the sake of that boundary area.
India has to know illegal stay of its troops in Doklam will by no means force a fait accompli there, and that it has to change mind before things going even worse.
China has made it clear that there is no room for negotiations on this incident, and India must withdraw its border-crossing troops from Doklam. For China, border line is the bottom line.
In addition, India's illegal move in Doklam runs contrary to the fundamentals on international relations it has advocated since 1950s along with China and Myanmar. The five principles of peaceful co-existence include mutual respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity.
In recent years, some Indian civil groups, tinted with intense nationalism, have been constantly stirring up anti-China sentiments, even clamoring to boycott "the commodities of hostile countries" at a time when the situation on China-Indian boundary intensified.
On the occasion that the trespass by the Indian troops took place at the Sikkim section of the China-India boundary, some senior officials of India made irrational remarks, which further fueled the unnecessary tension.
As an old Chinese saying goes, peace is most precious. It has been noticed that Indian Foreign Secretary Subrahmanyam Jaishankar recently has made positive remarks in Singapore, saying that "India and China should not let differences become disputes."
What China would like to see more are corresponding actions taken by India.
China has a will to solve the problem peacefully by diplomatic means, and China also cherishes the peace and serenity in the border areas, but the precondition is that the trespassers of India must withdraw unconditionally.
It is highly anticipated that India would abide by the basic principles of international law, and would not stick to its errors stubbornly.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 14 Jul 2017 22:39

Never told ministers there will be no withdrawal of troops from Doklam: MEA
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... juC9O.html
Dhoti shivering!!???

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 14 Jul 2017 22:58

^^^^
Firstly there is no mention of this at MEA site. Secondly as I wrote up, MEA does not want to be in a situation where it is obliged to eat its words. Eg, What if Chinese calm down and go back to their original positions ? we will have to withdraw troops. Chinese will do that before winter sets in (under any pretext. We are just waiting out each other.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 15 Jul 2017 02:38

How much of the current standoff is for economical reasons that military or territorial reasons? Chinese economy is slowing down, it has huge over capacity, the world is putting up barriers to its exports and there was talk of laying of a couple of million (of course china lied) people.

China has a surplus of 300 billion dollars with US, 50 billion with India and significant numbers with many others.

India is trying to get its act together and become competitive in its exports. If India can take away a couple of 100 billion dollars of its surplus and other ASEAN countries together take away another 100 billion dollars, china will be in trouble. Unless china develops an internal market and/or moves up the value chain to be able to give up its cheap exports, they will face a crisis. So, create a crisis at the border to slow down India's manufacturing competitiveness, perhaps dent Modi's image and affect his chances of reelection.

DavidD · Post by **DavidD** » 15 Jul 2017 03:48

shiv wrote:Conflict cannot take place suddenly. We will know about it long before. If China starts mobilizing - rail and road movements will be seen and reported to the media. Troop build-ups at the border will be met with Indian mobilization. This will take weeks or months. Once everything is in place a spark can set off conflict.

That will be the time to expect a diversionary terrorist attack in Kashmir or an Indian city, or riots provoked somewhere in India to divert security attention and political focus. That is how war will likely start.

Another possibility - but a less likely one would be a devastating Chinese shakinah attack which decimates Indian positions near Doklam "to teach a lesson". But this will lead to Indian retaliation and is much more likely to escalate into broader conflict.

Most likely nothing will happen. Cut through all the rhetoric and nationalistic fervor on both sides and one can see that war is not appetizing for either side, and neither is backing down. Thus I believe that both side will just dig in, hurry up and wait. I can't predict what how it'll end, but nothing will happen as long as neither war nor retreat is an appealing option to both sides.

If I had to venture a guess though, I'd say that in a few months or years, the Chinese will unceremoniously withdraw from the area. That area is more important to India than China and easier for Indians to reach as well, so incentives for backing down is higher for the Chinese.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jul 2017 04:53

Opposition backs Centre’s stand on Doklam border standoff - ToI

After the meeting, Yechury said the opposition appreciated the government's assurance that it is committed to settling issues with China diplomatically.

At the same time, the government was urged to "introspect" over the triggers for the recent display of Chinese aggression. "On behalf of the CPM, I told the government that there is a need for them to get to the depth of the reasons for the provocation, the changes in the government's policy with China, India's growing strategic ties with US, and the joint military naval exercise along with the US and Japan in the South China sea," Yechury said. He also said India's "new permissions" to the Dalai Lama and hoisting of the Tibetan flag in India were other issues that irked the Chinese.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 15 Jul 2017 05:09

Chinese are more evolved than Africans? I can see that.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 15 Jul 2017 05:17

"After the meeting, Yechury said the opposition appreciated the government's assurance that it is committed to settling issues with China diplomatically."....
It is not clear if Mr. Yechury and his party the CPM supports the GOI position on Dhokla stand off. In 1962, the CPI (there was no CPM yet) did not support the GOI position on Ladakh and NEFA.
Gautam

williams · Post by **williams** » 15 Jul 2017 05:40

SSridhar wrote:Opposition backs Centre’s stand on Doklam border standoff - ToI
After the meeting, Yechury said the opposition appreciated the government's assurance that it is committed to settling issues with China diplomatically.

At the same time, the government was urged to "introspect" over the triggers for the recent display of Chinese aggression. "On behalf of the CPM, I told the government that there is a need for them to get to the depth of the reasons for the provocation, the changes in the government's policy with China, India's growing strategic ties with US, and the joint military naval exercise along with the US and Japan in the South China sea," Yechury said. He also said India's "new permissions" to the Dalai Lama and hoisting of the Tibetan flag in India were other issues that irked the Chinese.

Another month and this guy's term is over in RS. After that he will have plenty of time to introspect.

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 15 Jul 2017 07:40

DavidD wrote:
shiv wrote:Conflict cannot take place suddenly. We will know about it long before. If China starts mobilizing - rail and road movements will be seen and reported to the media. Troop build-ups at the border will be met with Indian mobilization. This will take weeks or months. Once everything is in place a spark can set off conflict.

That will be the time to expect a diversionary terrorist attack in Kashmir or an Indian city, or riots provoked somewhere in India to divert security attention and political focus. That is how war will likely start.

Another possibility - but a less likely one would be a devastating Chinese shakinah attack which decimates Indian positions near Doklam "to teach a lesson". But this will lead to Indian retaliation and is much more likely to escalate into broader conflict.
Most likely nothing will happen. Cut through all the rhetoric and nationalistic fervor on both sides and one can see that war is not appetizing for either side, and neither is backing down. Thus I believe that both side will just dig in, hurry up and wait. I can't predict what how it'll end, but nothing will happen as long as neither war nor retreat is an appealing option to both sides.

If I had to venture a guess though, I'd say that in a few months or years, the Chinese will unceremoniously withdraw from the area. That area is more important to India than China and easier for Indians to reach as well, so incentives for backing down is higher for the Chinese.

One question I have is where exactly is the standoff taking place? Are the Chinese already well into Bhutanese territory that they can use the area they have already cleared/encroached into to their strategic benefit? From the widely circulated photo from Chinese newspaper it looks like the standoff happened just meters away from the ridge which is the Chinese version of the boundary. If that is indeed the case, we haven't gained much. On the other hand, if we have intercepted them at the start of the Dhoklam plateau itself, and/or in the Dhokla area (hindering their access further South), then it is a win for us.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 15 Jul 2017 09:25

http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/geopoliti ... -round-two
THIS IS INDIA’S CHINA WAR, ROUND TWO
The absurd myth of an ‘unprovoked Chinese aggression’ in 1962 has fermented in India a persistent longing for revenge

BY NEVILLE MAXWELL
15 JUL 2017

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 15 Jul 2017 09:50

Cadaver spills bilge part II

chola · Post by **chola** » 15 Jul 2017 09:51

Iyersan wrote:http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/geopoliti ... -round-two
THIS IS INDIA’S CHINA WAR, ROUND TWO
The absurd myth of an ‘unprovoked Chinese aggression’ in 1962 has fermented in India a persistent longing for revenge

BY NEVILLE MAXWELL
15 JUL 2017

Fvck it. We need to go to war.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 15 Jul 2017 09:54

What, to teach this Australian to mind his Stain?

Let the fool dodder over the British empire. The man is a living fossil.

chola · Post by **chola** » 15 Jul 2017 10:16

sanjaykumar wrote:What, to teach this Australian to mind his Stain?

Let the fool dodder over the British empire. The man is a living fossil.

lol. He'll fall to dust with one punch.

No, we need to take this opportunity go to war with Cheen. It is our historic fight that can vault us to first rate, P5 status with a very beatable opponent.

Not fighting means we are leaving our destiny to chance against a still growing economic industrial power. Hoping tgat OBOR and CPEC would fail is not a strategy.

But Yes, a victorious war would kick that fvcking old fossil in the teeth. You hear the disdain in his words. He implied India is a belligerent who can't fight (while the rest of the West thinks we're Gandhi-ites who can't fight.) Time to show them and everyone else once and for all by kicking a P5 in the arse.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 15 Jul 2017 10:19

sanjaykumar wrote:What, to teach this Australian to mind his Stain?

Let the fool dodder over the British empire. The man is a living fossil.

I don't care for the fossil but it's reported by South China Morning post. They are whipping Chinese Aam Aadmi sentiment. I want to get readers opinions on the significance of HM FM and DM along with NSA briefing opposition. This is only done for impending escalations. We have channels like TimesNow and Republic max TRP channels absolutely silent on this standoff. What say??.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 15 Jul 2017 10:26

http://app.scmp.com/scmp/mobile/index.h ... 53/desktop
China India border dispute could hurt BRICS

chola · Post by **chola** » 15 Jul 2017 10:32

Iyersan wrote:
sanjaykumar wrote:What, to teach this Australian to mind his Stain?

Let the fool dodder over the British empire. The man is a living fossil.
I don't care for the fossil but it's reported by South China Morning post. They are whipping Chinese Aam Aadmi sentiment. I want to get readers opinions on the significance of HM FM and DM along with NSA briefing opposition. This is only done for impending escalations. We have channels like TimesNow and Republic max TRP channels absolutely silent on this standoff. What say??.

Great point! Modi's government is letting the Congies know that war is coming and they better be behind the nation.

Can't wait for the Mountain Strike Corps to roll into Tibet.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 15 Jul 2017 10:53

Chola, are you being sarcastic? I can't tell.

chola · Post by **chola** » 15 Jul 2017 11:03

JE Menon wrote:Chola, are you being sarcastic? I can't tell.

Sarcastic?

More hopeful than anything else that Modi is preparing for action by sitting down and briefing Congress. But I fear real war won't happen because Cheen operates by salami-slicing, intimidation and mass-producing weapons and artificial islands during peace time. So unless we force the issue, war probably won't happen.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 15 Jul 2017 11:18

chola wrote:
JE Menon wrote:Chola, are you being sarcastic? I can't tell.
Sarcastic?

More hopeful than anything else that Modi is preparing for action by sitting down and briefing Congress. But I fear real war won't happen because Cheen operates by salami-slicing, intimidation and mass-producing weapons and artificial islands during peace time. So unless we force the issue, war probably won't happen.

I have a theory that GOI doesn't want opposition to take china standoff in parliament and give fodder to news from India.
Can we have a serious assessment of the recent event Raman ,SSridhar???

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Jul 2017 11:26

Iyersan wrote:http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/geopoliti ... -round-two
THIS IS INDIA’S CHINA WAR, ROUND TWO
The absurd myth of an ‘unprovoked Chinese aggression’ in 1962 has fermented in India a persistent longing for revenge

BY NEVILLE MAXWELL
15 JUL 2017

Fellow is still there with bile.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 15 Jul 2017 11:34

Iyersan wrote:
chola wrote:
Sarcastic?

More hopeful than anything else that Modi is preparing for action by sitting down and briefing Congress. But I fear real war won't happen because Cheen operates by salami-slicing, intimidation and mass-producing weapons and artificial islands during peace time. So unless we force the issue, war probably won't happen.
I have a theory that GOI doesn't want opposition to take china standoff in parliament and give fodder to news from India.
Can we have a serious assessment of the recent event Raman ,SSridhar???

its more like the GoI does not wish to show its hand publicly but the commies and the paid han agents in the Indian polity, including some pinko presstitutes and media owners will try and force their hand.

If the hans have suborned the congis, imagine who else is in their kitty. derek nobrain is the most vocal, followed by shitarum belchury.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 15 Jul 2017 11:38

The Doklam standoff: Both India and China need a face saver to avoid further deterioration in relations
July 15, 2017, 2:00 AM IST Kanti Bajpai in TOI Edit Page | Edit Page, India, World | TOI
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... relations/