Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

[brvarsh]

Gurus, i may have to make an emergency visit to India in a couple of days and my best options are all the Chinese airlines (vowed I'd never fly Chinese stuff...but in an emergency, the options for me via China cannot be ignored either). How risky is it to book passage via China to India returning in the next month ?

If you are feeling such guilt make sure you finish all of their alcohol.

[pankajs]

Why not rename Artic ocean? Why stop at Indo-China sea?

Ok .. if Artic ocean is too far lets start with the Mediterranean.

What is the meaning of this post.

The answer to your question is the highlighted part. The rest was to point out the absurdity of the suggestion.

And my post should be read in conjunction with its previous post.

[Philip]

Indo-C so that India gets its rightful due.It is a cultural term and very valid as India's cultural and religious influence in the region far outweighs that of China.We aren't talking about renaming those nations abutting the Indo-China Sea.If they wish they can name the Sea whatever they like,but we should call it as such,the ICS to establish our civil and mil presence there as our right!

China has yesterday asked its citizens to denounce ""religion",which divides the country.It wants Chinese to dump religion in favour of the Communist Party.Watch the oppression to start from now on.These moves are becos of the upcoming party congress ,where XI Gins wants to further get a grasp on power.Sidelining his younger future rivals is part of the process,as he has grand delusions of being another Mao or Deng,Emperor forever.

[pankajs]

So India has a RIGHT to impose names of water bodies adjoining INDIPENDENT nations.

Did we even bother to ask them for their preference or that just doesn't matter?

And we want to needle China by angering a bunch or friendly/neutral nations.

Thank God our diplomats are not that delusional.

[Iyersan]

'India is well-equipped to defend itself against China,' says Sushma Swaraj in Rajya Sabha
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 679709.cms

[SSridhar]

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 669732.cms
No significant rise in troop level by China along border: Government sources
NEW DELHI: There is no significant rise in deployment of troops by China along the Sino-India border and its recent military exercise in the Tibet region should not be linked to the current standoff between the armies of the two countries in Dokalam, top government sources said today.

I don't know why GoI must say that China hasn't moved troops and the PLA exercises aren't linked to the Doka La crisis !

China and others might misconstrue this as weakness; unless, of course, we want China to believe so and act accordingly !

Our deafening silence might have sent the correct signal.

[sudhan]

I believe GOI is handling the hyper-ventilating paper dragon brilliantly. Ms. Swaraj's statement is oozing confidence.

This is a stand of a strong and confident nation..

The Chinese policy maker in charge of this particular escalation should put his affairs in order right away.. he is soon to be declared to be working against the party and 're-educated' promptly..

[Karthik S]

That's in the context of military exercise and not a standalone statement.

BTW NM and AD are treating chinese the way they treat opposition here. The opposition makes hue and cry, whines, shouts etc, but NM won't utter a word in response.

[sudhan]

I don't know why GoI must say that China hasn't moved troops and the PLA exercises aren't linked to the Doka La crisis !

China and others might misconstrue this as weakness; unless, of course, we want China to believe so and act accordingly !

Our deafening silence might have sent the correct signal.

SS ji, This could be one of 2 things..1) our MSM's old tricks.. peddling some sensational stories citing 'sources'.. 400% sure this is not an official govt statement.. and the sources are a result of someone's fertile imagination..

2) A planned leak by GoI to state that puffy statements from cheeni media wont do and India's surveillance capabilities are significant..

[Yagnasri]

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 412_1.html

Mulla yam got some personal information or what.

[Philip]

We are not hijacking anything from anyone unlike China.Why do we always have to be "apologetic" about our global heritage and the enormous influence we've had on Asia in particular? It is China that is trying to appropriate Buddhism by building its own Disneyland Buddhist centre to rival the Potala Palace,while it simultaneously calls upon its citizens to denounce religion!

This servile mentality of most Indians in denying their rightful influence upon the world is mainly due to the 500 years of European domination in Asia,which began when Vasco-Da-Gama landed up on our shores.Thanks to their huge naval superiority,the Portugese,supplanted by the Dutch,supplanted by the English who were stronger than the French,established their colonies to steal the wealth of Asia.But everywhere you go to in ASia,you see the enormous Indian influence esp. n the amazing architectural monuments like Borubudor in Indonesia,Bali too,Angkor Wat in Cambodia,the Burmese and Thai Buddhist temples...even in China and Japan!

Gandhian non-violence alone did not gain us Independence.The Brits themselves acknowledged that it was Netaji and the INA,the RIN mutiny,etc.,that saw them vamoose from India.They feared another "Mutiny" and being thrown into the IO unceremoniously by hundreds of millions of Indians taking to arms. Similarly,the Nehruvian foreign policy came a cropper when China called his bluff in '62. Nehru's misplaced "moral" authority of India came to naught when faced with a godless,amoral,greedy,rapacious beast like China.At least in those days China claimed to be Marxist and followed a Communist agenda pf spreading revolution..Today it pays lip service to those ideals and is nothing more than a giant of a brigand,set upon open avowed global domination,where it preys upon the rest of the world to feed its vainglorious ambitions.

India is the only nation in Asia that can stop the Chinese from this quest of theirs,expounded by OBOR and other shady gambits.If we fail to stand up and speak out boldly,not just India,but Asia also will be lost.The nations of Asia ,and most admire and look upto India for its heritage,need to be reassured by India that we will not succumb to the rapacious Chinese and by renaming geographical entities like the ICS are small but significant steps to show the world that like the moon,the world is not a ball of Chinese tofu.

[pankajs]

This might be our way of signalling to nations that have been briefed by China on "the impending war"

To call major embassies for a briefing was to demonstrate the seriousness of the issue and help push them to lean on India. We could have done the same and elevated the issue and played the Chinese game.

OR, we sent out a softer message via the media perhaps some one on one BUT no *mass* briefing.

This is the same tactic used by the basis when they need help to get India to back off. Just google how many times the bakis have done that in the past year.

[Philip]

Yes, I agree.We should've played our dpl hand first and summoned the most important global and Asian envoys for an informal "chat" about China's bad behaviour,esp towards Indian protectorate little Bhutan.The Min of EA could've had a nice "monsoon" garden party organised ,where the PM would drop in and express his unhappiness at China's threats and sabre-rattling which we couldn't take lightly. rankly,the MEA and its bunch of mostly servile eunuchs have little imagination.They have served China's purpose well over the last decade ,lulling us into a false sense of security whilst building up their military at breakneck speed, and refining their diabolic plans of a territorial " Chinese take-away",the de-facto theft of atolls and islands in the ICS that never belonged to it and setting up mil bases in the IOR in client states,apart from its HImalayan land-grab.

The Chinese are afeared that with Modi at the helm,not Snake-Oil Singh,who couldn't hurt a flea or fly,India would rapidly plug the yawning gaps in its military forces,and build India up into an eco power capable of challenging China .Hence the wish to teach us/Modiji a lesson ion indecent haste.

[Iyersan]

This might be our way of signalling to nations that have been briefed by China on "the impending war"

To call major embassies for a briefing was to demonstrate the seriousness of the issue and help push them to lean on India. We could have done the same and elevated the issue and played the Chinese game.

OR, we sent out a softer message via the media perhaps some one on one BUT no *mass* briefing.

This is the same tactic used by the basis when they need help to get India to back off. Just google how many times the bakis have done that in the past year.

Involving other nations would be getting 3rd parties into dispute. While everyone might lend an ear. When time come we have to fight on our own

[Iyersan]

EAM and DM aligned. HM briefed. Donal will be the last peace proposal from India. If china then attacks Kill all the bloody little emperor buggers

[Arjun]

What nonsense ! Indochina is a very legit term for mainland SE Asia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indochina

[shiv]

Well - a lot of stuff in the media seem to ignore a couple of little facts
1. It was India that made the first move to expose China
2. Ir was our own rakhsa mantri who said that this is not 1962 long before the Chinese got their dingalongs in right knot

Everything after that has been reactive..

[nam]

http://www.sify.com/news/no-war-but-ski ... igebj.html
No war, but skirmishes with China cannot be ruled out

If the Chinese fire, we should not make the mistake of converting this in to another LoC, where there is a never ending attrition cycle.

The moment the Chinese shoot their rockets, we need to involve IAF from the word go and pound the PLA units on the border. PLAAF is welcome to join in their half payload carrying jet on the Tibetan plateau.

Pound until the Chinese ask for a ceasefire and go for the status quo.

If we get in skirmishes, as we do on LoC, we are getting ourself in a trap. We need to fight for deterrent, not attrition.

[DrRatnadip]

http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 412_1.html

Mulla yam got some personal information or what.

I was never a fan of this guy.. But I have to agree with his opinion this time.. Recognizing Tibet was big mistake.. Though risk of full scale war seems low but we might see local action in coming days.. Risk of lateral escalation is always there but this time we must give preference to desh ki izzat.. Yellow lizard has tried it's best to block our development, protecting terrorists etc .. This is the time we need to exploit our local advantages .. pingpong has to learn some manners ..

[Yagnasri]

We all know what Chacha did in respect of Tibet. Now the damage is already done.

[Singha]

footage of the recent drills in tibet




i could not understand the 3d printer and the robotic almirah for coats - there is some deep sun tzu move behind that?

[shashankk]

These Chinese vermins are even worse then their pet monster Pukistan.

Sikkim standoff: Indian soldiers can withdraw, be captured or be killed, says former Chinese diplomat to India

URL : http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... JoCDO.html

[chola]

http://www.sify.com/news/no-war-but-ski ... igebj.html
No war, but skirmishes with China cannot be ruled out

If the Chinese fire, we should not make the mistake of converting this in to another LoC, where there is a never ending attrition cycle.

The moment the Chinese shoot their rockets, we need to involve IAF from the word go and pound the PLA units on the border. PLAAF is welcome to join in their half payload carrying jet on the Tibetan plateau.

Pound until the Chinese ask for a ceasefire and go for the status quo.

If we get in skirmishes, as we do on LoC, we are getting ourself in a trap. We need to fight for deterrent, not attrition.

Exactly! In a state of attrition, they will win. In a state of peace, they will always win. It is the tyranny of numbers when you go up against an economy and industrial base that is five times larger. Eventually the weight of stuff -- military equipment, roads, airfields -- will overwhelm us logistically.

We need a complete and comprehensive victory that is clear and forces Cheen to sue for peace. It MUST include a visible changing of territory such as the recovery of Aksai Chin or the Chumbi Valley. A "victory" involving "face" means absolutely shit when money begin flowing during phases of OBOR.

Even when Vietnam annihilated 30,000 chini troops in 1979 it did nothing to change the trajectory of the PRC's rocket shot to superpower status. Why?

Because Cheen created doubt about who actually won the Viet fight since it was the PLA burning down Vietnam border cities and keeping disputed territory and islands after the war. Any "moral" victory was erased by money and propaganda shortly afterwards.

We need a changing of the borders that no propaganda or double talk can deny. That is what will vault us to the top in Asia. There can be no doubt. We NEED to make full use of the 15 or 20 to 1 manpower advantage we hold across the length of border. It needs to be a crushing defeat dealt over a short time by overwhelming local numbers.

No attrition. Crushing victory in a short war. Cheen suing for peace. No "moral" victory or win involving "face", brutally real, irrevocable changing of the borders.

Let's roll!

[DrRatnadip]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-40653053

Why is the India-China border stand-off escalating?
Soutik Biswas
India correspondent

Indian analysts believe China's warnings cannot be ignored. "In general, the Chinese pattern of use of force has been to prepare the ground with adequate statements and warnings. Hence, I think we should not take them lightly or see it as a bluff," a China expert told me.
In 1962, the state-run news agency Xinhua warned well in advance that India should "pull back from the brink of war". During the Korean War in 1950 which pitted the US and its allies against the USSR, North Korea and communist China, the Chinese warned the US through India that if they crossed the Yalu River the Chinese would be forced to enter the war.
To be true, this doesn't mean that China is girding up for war. As things stand, both sides can share some blame for the stand-off in what is a strategically important area.
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Some analysts say India possibly made a mistake by openly conflating the building of the road with talk of potential "serious security implications for India".
"I agree that there were security concerns, but it was wrong for India to voice them strongly. We could have just said that China had breached the status quo. By overplaying the security angle, we may have scored an own goal, and the Chinese are exploiting it," an analyst told me.
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"I don't think either side wants an armed conflict. Nobody is interested in a war. Nothing in the [stand-off] area is worth a conflict. But both sides see their reputations at stake and that could lead to a prolonged stand-off," Srinath Raghavan, a senior fellow at the leading Delhi-based Centre for Policy Research think-tank told me.

[Pratyush]

Soutik Biswas is as DDM as they come. So take whatever he says with a huge buket of salt.

[A Deshmukh]

Pak believes it "won" the 1965 war as it kept Indians at the border. (its another matter that they attacked and started the war and failed to meet their objectives).
We should not get into habit of believing that holding Chin at the border = victory. even if war is initiated by Chin.

[DrRatnadip]

Soutik Biswas is as DDM as they come. So take whatever he says with a huge buket of salt.

He is trying to imply not so subtly that we have scored self goal by stopping chini road construction..Anybody with minimum common sense will know that situation is exactly oposite ..

[DrRatnadip]

http://en.people.cn/mobile/new/content. ... 44331&aT=m


India looks brighter than China on a map, but really it’s not

I guess D*ck measuring contest with Indians is favorite pastime in chini land nowadays..

[Pratyush]

What how can a map make a nation look brighter then another.

Anyway am happy that chinies are happy that they are brighter than India.

[SSridhar]

Bellicose China mounting expansionist policy: Republican Party - PTI

A "bellicose" China has mounted an aggressive and expansionist policy to further its influence in the region at the expense of established borders and sovereignty of other nations, according to a report by Republican lawmakers in the US Congress.

"While tensions between China and Taiwan have persisted since the 1950s, China has now mounted an aggressive and expansionist policy towards other nations in the region in order to enlarge their sphere of influence," the Republican Study Committee said in its report yesterday as the House of Representatives initiated steps to pass the annual budget.

"The Chinese have done so at the expense of established borders and the sovereignty of other countries, many of which are key US allies. Small and remote islands like the Senkaku Island chain, as well as the Spratly and Paracel Islands, are now being threatened by China's Navy," the report said.

These territorial claims over shoals and reefs pose a deceivingly greater threat to the region than their geographic size would suggest, the committee said.

The report, however, made no reference to the ongoing border standoff between India and China in the Sikkim sector.

"Allowing for a bellicose China to seize these blips on a map would further embolden the country to threaten key United States treaty-bound allies," the report said.

In November 2013, China unilaterally declared an Air Identification Zone over the disputed East China Sea, encompassing parts of Japanese and South Korean airspace. "This measure has forced international civilian airliners traversing this zone to report to China's Air Force, bringing geostrategic tensions into the airspace domain," it said.

The Chinese military build up, the report said, threatens the basic freedom of navigation on the high seas that has always been a bedrock security, diplomatic, and commercial principle of the United States.

"Many of our allies, including Australia, Japan, the Philippines, South Korea, and even Vietnam have become increasingly concerned over China's posturing, and have all clamoured for a more robust US security commitment in this vital and strategic region," it said.

To deter China, the Republican Study Committee's budget supports an increase in US shipbuilding account, in order to reestablish its Navy's global reach and capabilities.

Specifically, the RSC supports an increase in the Navy's fleet size to 350 fighting ships "to maintain presence in the 18 maritime regions where the United States has critical national interests," it said.

[Bade]

What how can a map make a nation look brighter then another.

Anyway am happy that chinies are happy that they are brighter than India.

Now that they got their face saver, they can proudly move out of Doka La plateau now.

Regarding the reports in the media about the statement of the ex-Ambassador or Consul from China, I did see the interview on CGTN and the statement did not come across as a threat as it sounds when reported by third party in the written media. He was going back to 1890 treaty and could not even make his case. The Indian guest ( Mr Varma) contested the claims of the Ambassador as well as the host of the show who kept interrupting the Indian guest when he said there is a fourth option, that is returning to status quo for China.

The Chinese are clutching at the straws here.

[deejay]

Let the Chinese come. Bahut maarenge Saalon Ko. Bahut maarenge. Aaoo beta.

[CRamS]

Southik Biswas is not as DDM, its as disgusting prestitute traitors as they come. I puke the moment I even see the headline of anything he writes on BeeB. In fact, I rarely even read BeeB. But leaving aside military issues, the tussle with chincoms is not just India vs China, but China + "India" Vs India. Does anybody have an iota of a doubt that sections of the opposition traitors are not working hand-in-glove with the Chincoms after reading this?

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 680600.cms

How long before NYT/WP/Economist regurgitate the same puke, as will ModiJi haters on DDM? So just as Islamic terror is unadulterated evil except of course when those SDRE Hindus are under attack, so also China is this bad predatory communist dictatorship except when it comes to those "Hindu extremists" who "provoked" a conflict with China.

Of all the most feeble, dhothi shivering anal-yses I saw on DDM, the one on NewsX and Sunday Guardian takes the cake. M.D. Nalpat who is usually reasonable said that China is shooting itself on the foot because this aggressiveness by them will further drive India and US closer. My bloody foot. US is just going to sit afar and milk this confrontation for all its worth to suit its interests. India is alone in confronting China and its pet terrorist munna TSP.

[TKiran]

How can we reach Lhasa easily?

1.Doka La to Lhasa - distance, terrain and supply line

2.Tawang to Lhasa - distance terrain and supply line

Assuming that the roads would be damaged, which is the fastest route for territorial army to reach Lhasa?

[SSridhar]

'India is well-equipped to defend itself against China,' says Sushma Swaraj in Rajya Sabha - ToI

External affairs minister Sushma Swaraj said that while China is trying to change the status quo in the Doklam tri-junction area", India is well equipped to defend itself+ and doesn't feel threatened in the least.

"Over the years, China has been trying to get closer and closer to where the tri-junction point ends. It has done things like repair roads, re-tar them and things like that,"Swaraj said in reply to a question in the Rajya Sabha on the India-China border standoff.

She then described what was different about the incident on June 16 that sparked the latest standoff.

"This time though, they came with bulldozers and construction equipment with the aim of breaching the point where the tri-junction ends. That is a threat to our security," said Swaraj.

If China unilaterally changes status-quo of tri-junction point between China-India & Bhutan then it poses a challenge to our security: EAM
— ANI (@ANI_news) 1500535361000


The minister said that while China wants India to withdraw its troops+ , "it's only fair that China too should do the same".

"We have the law and right on our side," she said about India's position.

In response to a question on China's One Belt One Road (OBOR) project, Swaraj said that India has opposed it and registered its opposition+ to it right from the start.

"As soon as we learned that they are making CPEC a part of OBOR, we registered our protest," the minister said referring to the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.

Swaraj further said that all nations friendly to India are cautious about OBOR and China's motivations.

[uddu]

The Dokhlam issue seems to be deliberately created by the Chinese to divert attention from OBOR passing through POK, Indian territory. May be they wanted to create a diversion or a bargaining chip when we go to get POK. May be finally the GOI must have sensed it right and bringing in back attention on POK with the Visa approval and now the same Sushmaji making the above statement.

[vinod]

Any war's objective should be
1. Stop Chinese expansionist activities around Indian landmass whether in the form of OBOR or whatever! Includes capturing all strategic areas.
2. Set course which facilitates Tibet's freedom in future
3. Set course which facilitates Xinjiang's freedom in future

[shiv]

How can we reach Lhasa easily?

1.Doka La to Lhasa - distance, terrain and supply line

2.Tawang to Lhasa - distance terrain and supply line

Assuming that the roads would be damaged, which is the fastest route for territorial army to reach Lhasa?

This info is in my videos. Will link later

[Bart S]

Hindu nationalism risks pushing India into war with China
http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1057147.shtml
Since Indian troops illegally crossed into the Doklam area, China and India have been locked in a stand-off for over a month. Regardless of China's call urging India to withdraw its troops that have crossed the border, New Delhi has continued its provocation. At the same time, anti-China sentiments are rising in India with an upsurge of nationalism.

They are speaking the language of Mani Shankar Aiyar and KaRAT.

No points for guessing where they picked it up from.

This article could be either vocalizing what the Indian traitors told them, or trying to instigate some traitors to follow up on the article by introducing that into the media and public discourse.

The Indian public is not in the mood for this nonsense, and they will only get further isolated, even among non-rightwing people.

[TKiran]

Any war's objective should be
1. Stop Chinese expansionist activities around Indian landmass whether in the form of OBOR or whatever! Includes capturing all strategic areas.
2. Set course which facilitates Tibet's freedom in future
3. Set course which facilitates Xinjiang's freedom in future

Once war starts, there's no options ​you mentioned.

There are only possibilities,

IA would get stiff resistance in Lhasa because of already available supplies to PLA. But all the supply lines would be cut off. Only way for PLA would be surrender, àla Bangladesh. Tibet would be liberated, Xinjiang would be liberated, Han would get to keep their Han core China.

That's the only way it would turn out. That is the natural balance