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From the main article of a news item linked on BR main page:

https://www.ibcworldnews.com/2016/03/12 ... look-like/
Russia, France, Britain and the United States have been asked by the Indian Navy to participate in a tender and compete for a contract to develop a new aircraft carrier for it. According to some media reports, Russia and France have made it to the short list of bidders, while India is inclined towards the Russian version.

Announcing the beginning of design work on a new Indian aircraft carrier, the ‘Vishal’ in 2010, then Navy Chief Nirmal Kumar Verma said the Indian Navy wants a “large aircraft carrier” from which they will be able to launch fighters, radar surveillance aircraft, and tactical tanker aircraft.

Officially,the new Indian aircraft carrier ‘Vishal’ is the second ship of the ‘Vikrant’ type. However, given requirements for the project promulgated by the Indian military means building a fundamentally new ship. To implement all these requirements, the ‘Vishal’ will need to have a nuclear power plant, and a displacement of 65,000 tons.
Such a ship is obviously not needed for the country’s traditional confrontation with the Pakistan Navy. The appearance in India’s naval fleet of a large nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, with a developed air group, presents a direct challenge to Beijing, a long-standing military and political partner of Islamabad.

Since the early 2000s, China has been putting in place the so-called “string of pearls strategy”, which implies the deployment of a chain of military bases in the Indian Ocean (including the potential use of Pakistan’s deep-water Gwadar Port leased to the Chinese in 2013), to place a strangle-hold on India.

The many requirements for the ‘Vishal’ virtually excludes the possibility of construction by India alone, and has created a bidding situation for foreign designers and component suppliers. Very few shipbuilding schools have the capability to compete to become the leading contractor for this new Indian aircraft carrier project.

It is important to eliminate the Americans from the possibility of participating in this project. All that Washington can really do under these circumstances is to try to push India to abandon the idea of using a nuclear power plant, and then attempt to sell New Delhi a converted boiler and turbine aircraft carrier of the ‘Kitty Hawk’ variety.

The option is possible, especially if India decides it needs to save money. Another issue is that, by tradition, the American military-industrial complex usually refuses to work in consortiums with competitors, especially when it comes to Soviet-Russian companies. The situation, in which India suddenly would place MiG-29K fighter jets on an American-built carrier, is almost impossible.

The French PA2 nuclear ship project, which was supposed to enter the French fleet after the Charles de Gaulle, almost meets all the parameters of the Vishal. After downsizing, its displacement would be about 62,000 tons, and it could carry more than 40 aircraft.

The third and final participant in this race for the “first nuclear” ship for India is the Russian Neva Design Bureau, whose work the Indians know well from their other aircraft carrier, ‘Vikramaditya’.

It can be assumed with a high degree of probability that, in accordance with the long-standing tradition of the Indian military, none of these bidders will be chosen as the “sole” contractor. Rather, a multilateral consortium will be built, in which each participant will play a well-defined role. What might this look like?

Playing a part in narrowing the range of options can be the Indian Navy’s requirement for harmonization of the new ship’s air wing with the existing aircraft already serving in the Indian Air Force and Navy. The Russian MiG-29K, among carrier-based fighter jets, is already in use on the aircraft carrier ‘Vikramaditya’ and is proposed for use on ‘Vikrant’ now being completed, and the French Rafale M. Both these meet the conditions required.

When it comes to the construction of the hull, taking into account the above-mentioned US restrictions, the real contenders for cooperation are the British, French, and Russians. A significant limitation for the British and French is their inability to supply a power plant with the capacity required for Indian conditions. Installation of the necessary capacity, on the basis of the Rhythm-200 reactors, can only be done by Russia.

As a “result” we arrive at the four most realistic versions of what the new Indian aircraft carrier will comprise:

1. A French hull with Russian power plant, Russian aviation-technical complex and a Russian air group.

2. A French hull with the Russian power plant, French aviation-technical systems and a mixed air group.

3. A Russian hull with the Russian power plant, French aviation-technical systems and a mixed air group.

4. A Russian hull with the Russian power plant, mixed Russian-French aviation-technical systems and a mixed air group.

Source from India Defence News

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i think the "strategic" bonhomie with the French is becoming less ..more so if the Rafale is dropped or is only a token order ! .. that said the Russians could be back in the game !
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That article is utter hogwash.
- The competition hasn't even been announced yet so obviously there is no 'short list'
- There is nothing about a 65,000 ton aircraft carrier that requires a nuclear plant.
- The US is clearly willing to sell pieces (namely EMALS) separately.
- There is nothing 'impossible' about flying MiGs off a US carrier. A US shipbuilder couldn't care less what planes you fly off it as they build ships, not planes. (At least, Northrop-Grumman doesn't make any fighters)
- If you want to fly 'radar surveillance aircraft' off it, that practically means an E-2D and cats. And there is only one country in the world that makes cats.
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In the final assembly shop number 1 production complex JSC "RAC" MiG "organized two production lines - one going four naval MiG-29K contract with India (pictured),

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One of the built in shop MiG-29K for the Indian Navy is already equipped with "Zhuk-ME" radar. Lukhovitsy, 17/03/2016 (c) bmpd

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India should give up its obsession with "imported" CATS, go for CATOBAR + UAV based AEW
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Even in the best case scenarios, i.e. with available technology at par or ahead of the gold standard in unmanned, sensors, networks and integration (Essentially ahead or at par of US and EU) a UAV based solution would not fill the role of an E-2 till perhaps the mid to late 2030's.
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Gyan wrote:India should give up its obsession with "imported" CATS, go for CATOBAR + UAV based AEW
Do you mean STOBAR?
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Gyan wrote:India should give up its obsession with "imported" CATS, go for CATOBAR + UAV based AEW
One other option might be to pay out of the nose to get an AEW version of the V22 osprey. That way the smaller carriers have pretty decent coverage too. Again stobar would not require change
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A V-22 AEW has been a long term project for the US Marines but even they aren't really looking at it over the next 5-10 years or so given the number of AEW projects currently in advanced production or development (E-2D, Triton, NATO AGS, JSTARS-Recap, Future AWACS)...One hope they had was the UK looking at it but even they went with a low cost, low risk and low(er) capability approach. I don't see it being a serious alternative for the IN, its either a CAT+E2 or the status quo imho.
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Well these options are for the vishal anyway, so we are looking at at least 15 years out
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It is long term but if they don't start something today, they aren't going to have something operational in 5-10 years. It will be quite a complex system that would require identification of capability, development of sensor, development of missions systems, integration and testing and certification. A minimum of 6-10 year effort if they start now given what was originally being envisioned for the V-22 AEW role. If they are going to go for a bandaid solution like strapping a multi-faceted AN/APG-81 antenna with a new back end (since the APG-81 lacks it) they may get it quicker but then the capability will only something a little better than a helicopter as opposed to say 70% of an E-2D. So if they start something in the mid 2020's, they'll have a system for the mid 2030's. The Marines are likely to convert V-22's at a future data and will be willing to end the production line post its procurement once the USN's COD needs are also met.

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^ This is a decade long effort if you issue RFI's and RFP's today..

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This may happen quicker but won't be quite as capable ..
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Yes...it will surely take time and funds. India prefers to stick with solutions that have funding from parent users unlike oil rich countries like, which have no problems in funding programs like the blk 60 or mirage 4000.

Hence the current focus on Emals I guess
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That would be my guess as well. Also, without significant interest from the parent (USMC, and Boeing) an IN investment will also involve some risk (like MEADS). Thats why I think they''ll stick with the status quo if CAT's aren't chosen.
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For starters it will be great if IN and IAF can ensure there is adequate AEW coverage from shore bases especially A&C in the east, Oman in the west and Mauritius and Seychelles down south. Let's have a thick inventory of KA-31s & Herons to top it.

Our UAVs control can be switched from land to ship in flight. Given the range and flight hours Heron is capable of it adds another layer of surveillance for surface targets.
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^ Yes, I'm truly surprised that the DRDO AEW bird has not seen more orders from either of the services - very disappointing. At least 6 more should have been in the pipeline what with all this make in India noise.
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Indian Navy bids farewell to spectacular Sea Harrier jump jets after 33 years.

They were always a sight to behold, a force to reckon with. Fighters landing vertically, akin to helicopters, with ear-splitting roars on a moving airfield despite being fixed-wing. It left even the usually phlegmatic Manmohan Singh slightly nonplussed during the "PM's day at sea" in 2006. Similar was the case of other politicians, before and after him, like A B Vajpayee and L K Advani.

But the old must give way to the new. Ahead of the 56-year-old aircraft carrier INS Viraat's retirement later this year, the Navy has bid adieu to its eyeball-grabbing Sea Harrier "jump jets" after 33 years of yeomen service.

The force, after all, now has its first supersonic fighters in 30 MiG-29Ks - out of the 45 contracted from Russia for over $2 billion - for INS Vikramaditya and the under-construction indigenous carrier INS Vikrant.

Navy inducted 30 of the British-origin Sea Harriers from 1983 onwards, but only 11 "air frames" are left now due to old age, lack of spares and cannibalisation as well as accidents over the years. "They have flown their last. The six Sea Harriers on board INS Viraat, which has returned to Mumbai from her final operational journey to the International Fleet Review last month, disembarked from the carrier on March 6," said an officer.

The 11 Sea Harriers are now been mothballed at naval air station INS Hansa in Goa before being distributed as museum pieces to different establishments. "Their pilots are going for career advancement courses or MiG-29K conversion training," he said.

Interestingly, Sea Harriers were part of INAS 300 (Indian naval air squadron 300) nicknamed the 'White Tigers'. And much like the feline genetic oddity, a Sea Harrier stood apart, capable as it was of VTOL (vertical take-off and landing) operations.

"Harriers were certainly unconventional in their vertical landing, even though they usually took-off from the angled ski-jump on INS Viraat. With time, their production was stopped in the UK. The British Royal Navy also retired its Sea Harriers in 2006," said another officer.

The White Tigers squadron will now hibernate till it's re-commissioned with MiG-29Ks for INS Vikrant, which is slated to be ready by 2018-19. Incidentally, INS Vikramaditya's MiG-29K squadron INAS 303 is christened 'Black Panthers'.

Though the Sea Harriers had an operational speed of 640 knots or 1,186 kmph, with a range of around 800 nautical miles, they fell short of exceeding the speed of sound at Mach 1 or 1,235 kmph.

They did undergo a "limited upgrade" some years ago, including being fitted with Israeli Elta EL/M-2032 multi-mode fire control radars and 'Derby' beyond visual range air-to-air missiles, but have outlived their utility. "MiG-29Ks give us a four-fold capability jump over Sea Harriers," an officer said.
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Cain Marko wrote:
Gyan wrote:India should give up its obsession with "imported" CATS, go for CATOBAR + UAV based AEW
One other option might be to pay out of the nose to get an AEW version of the V22 osprey. That way the smaller carriers have pretty decent coverage too. Again stobar would not require change
I would prefer a turboprop version of Rustom-2 with folding wings as platform for AEW.
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^^^"we arrive at the four most realistic versions of what the new Indian aircraft carrier will comprise..."
:)

It will wind up looking like the Imperial Klingon Starcruiser Negh Var https://www.google.com/search?q=Negh%27 ... 5NspYdM%3A
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http://defencyclopedia.com/2016/03/20/a ... e-posture/
On that note, we understand that, unlike the Pacific or the Atlantic Oceans, the Indian Ocean is predominantly controlled by maritime powers which have command of the chokepoints. In that context, the Indian maritime security strategy document has identified nine important choke points as a part of India’s maritime security strategy perspective in the Indian Ocean:

The Suez Canal
The Strait of Hormuz
Bab el-Mandeb
The Mozambique Channel
The Cape of Good Hope
The Straits of Malacca and Singapore
The Sunda Strait
The Lombok Strait
the Ombai and Wetar Straits.

The nine chokepoints are divided into five in the western Indian Ocean and four in the eastern, with the force structure of the Eastern Fleet getting the greater level of attention.

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http://mdb.cast.ru/mdb/1-2016/item4/article1/

I will give you the following example to illustrate the situation. At the beginning of 2005, a high-ranking official of the Russian Defense Ministry visited India. In his conversation with Admiral of the Indian Navy Arun Prakash our representative asked him: “Why do you order new MiG-29K/KUB deck-based fighters for the aircraft-carrier you expect from Russia? You could have bought the Su-33 fighters available in service with our navy.” His Indian interlocutor answered that they needed those aircraft not for the Admiral Gorshkov carrier which was being upgraded, but for their projected aircraft-carriers with a certainly lesser deadweight, whose aircraft hangars would not accommodate the “long-legged” Su-33. At that meeting, Arun Prakash’s vision seemed a distant dream, but the first Indian aircraft-carrier has been recently floated out of docks.
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Mazagon Dock Ltd has teamed up with Italian shipbuilder Fincanteri to build stealth frigates.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/eco ... 390255.ece
Four of the frigates would be built by MDL, and three by Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers (GRSE). The agreement is expected to allow Fincantieri to establish long-term cooperation with the two shipyards and to consolidate its commercial presence in India. Project 17A is the follow-on of Project 17, which comprised three multi-role Shivalik class stealth frigates built at MDL between 2000 and 2010, for the Navy.The follow-on project deals with the construction of seven frigates of 149 meters length each and a displacement of 6,400 tonnes.Sources pointed out that the “basic and functional design has been developed by the Indian Navy. The ships will be built at MDL and GRSE, and Fincantieri will help modernise them. This would also involve a significant amount of transfer of technology from Fincantieri, with the creation of system advisors, that would be useful for other programmes.”The construction of the first ship is expected to start early next year, and is expected to be launched by 2020, following an upgrade of the two shipyards to incorporate modular construction techniques.Fincantieri is to assist with the development of detailed engineering aimed at integrated building in the two Indian shipyards, as well as design optimisation processes and modular construction, and undertake training and ongoing technical assistance.The Italian shipbuilder has also bid for the construction of two mini submarines with Hindustan Shipyard.
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Well hopefully it will be based on FREMM but with Barak-8 and Brahmos. Should the 3 made by GSL be identical?
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By then hopefully BMos-M/NG should be available and more can be carried.
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Bheeshma wrote:Well hopefully it will be based on FREMM but with Barak-8 and Brahmos. Should the 3 made by GSL be identical?
FREMM E ++ class.
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Jhujar wrote:Mazagon Dock Ltd has teamed up with Italian shipbuilder Fincanteri to build stealth frigates.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/eco ... 390255.ece
From the article:
“Basic and functional design has been developed by the Indian Navy. The ships will be built at MDL and GRSE, and Fincantieri will help modernise them. This would also involve a significant amount of transfer of technology from Fincantieri, with the creation of system advisors that would be useful for other programmes,” the news daily quoted an unnamed source as saying.
Haven't we achieved that with Kolkata class?
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Was fincantieri involved in kolkata class??
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I was referring to the technology not to the company.
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True..too much running after latest and greatest technology instead of creating it. The Visby were consulted for P-28's , how is that being used? Any P-28A's and can that tech be used here.
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I think the technology being sought is modular construction, etc. Something they intend using on the Vishal too.
Fincantieri is to assist with the development of detailed engineering aimed at integrated building in the two Indian shipyards, as well as design optimisation processes and modular construction, and undertake training and ongoing technical assistance.
These are huge elements.
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Bheeshma wrote:True..too much running after latest and greatest technology instead of creating it. The Visby were consulted for P-28's , how is that being used? Any P-28A's and can that tech be used here.
That was for composite mast Kiltan and Kavaratti will incorporate those features.
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fincantieri has only been used for the vikrant, since the design is a cavour++
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FREMM-ER - its a full featured ddg type kit as on P17...more stealthy frame in general

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interesting look at how they built a mockup radar and antenna test rig on the shore



crew is about 50-75 less vs our shivaliks
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The design will be a modification of the P17s which we are seeing for a long time
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The contract is for assisting with modular construction techniques to cut short the time.
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Cross posting from the Paki thread hiyar:
deejay wrote:A good write up on Pakistan Navy

http://cimsec.org/pakistans-navy-quick-look/23227
PAKISTAN’S NAVY: A QUICK LOOK
MARCH 23, 2016 ALEX CALVO LEAVE A COMMENT
By Alex Calvo

Traditionally the junior service, operating in the Army’s shadow and receiving a ten percent share of the 2015 defence budget of $6.6 billion, Pakistan’s Navy personnel numbers more than 22,000 active, plus 5,000 in the reserve. This secondary role stands in contrast with the economy’s dependence on the sea, with the port city of Karachi contributing 25 percent of GDP and the proposed China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) raising the country’s maritime profile even further.

Much of the Navy’s backbone, including its seven submarines, five French-made ‘Khalid’ class conventional hunter-killer (SSKs) acquired in the 1990s plus two ‘Hashmat’ class SSKs from the 1970s, is nearing retirement. The Navy is working to acquire new surface and undersea combatants, boosting domestic shipbuilding in the process and in cooperation with Beijing.

Plans include procuring an additional four 3000-ton F-22P/’Zulfiqar’ (Sword) class frigates with improved sensors and weapons (including HQ-17 surface-to-air missiles, developed from Russia’s Tor 1/SA-N-9), as well as six Type-022 Houbei stealth catamaran missile boats. State-owned shipbuilder Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works (KSEW) is responsible for these programs, and is expanding its facilities with a new foundry, manufacturing areas, and two dry docks of 26,000 and 18,000 dead weight tons, spread over 71 acres. Islamabad had been hoping to procure six Perry-class frigates from the US on easy terms, but congressional hostility has prompted greater reliance on China, a country heavily committed at all levels to Pakistan, being a key to Beijing’s strategy of securing access to the Indian Ocean and keeping New Delhi distracted by a regional rival.

Karachi is the traditional home of the Pakistani Navy, and remains of the utmost importance, despite diversification into other bases, among them PNS Siddique (in Turbat, in the south-west, close to the strategic deepwater port of Gwadar and the border with Iran), Pasni, and Jinnah Naval Base (also in the south-west). Asked whether security is considered by the Pakistani Navy as a reason to push for further diversification away from the city, Zoha Waseem (PhD Candidate at King’s College London and an expert in Pakistani security and policing) explains that “the situation in Karachi in terms of the ongoing operation is linked with the need of the military to keep investing in Karachi. The construction of military bases, infrastructure, and training centres and accommodation does not appear to be decreasing. Karachi is an ATM machine, and a prime location for any stakeholder to have its assets here.”

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PNS Badr, a British-built Type-21 frigate, was decommissioned in 2014. Despite being the junior service and the country facing a difficult fiscal position, Pakistan's Navy has been pushing for ambitious plans in terms of both surface and undersea combatants. Source Flickr.

While new ships are seen as essential in terms of maritime security and the fight against piracy, it is Pakistani plans to acquire new submarines that have met with the greatest concern in New Delhi. In March 2015, Islamabad announced plans to procure eight new Chinese submarines, and in October 2015 confirmed that four would be purchased from Beijing and four built at KSEW. The package includes a training centre in Karachi and probably includes access to China’s Beidou-II (BDS-2) satellite navigation network. Thanks to similar designs, Beijing, in turn, gets to enjoy the necessary maintenance personnel and facilities enabling her to operate her own submarines much more efficiently in the Indian Ocean, home to vital SLOCs (sea lanes of communication) for China. Ideally the Navy would like a total of 12 new boats. These Chinese-designed submarines will probably be based on the air independent propulsion (AIP) equipped Type 39B Yuan SSK (known as S-20 in its export version). Displacing 2,300 tons, they can fire both cruise missiles and 533 mm torpedoes, and can also deploy mines and special forces. Pakistan, already working on a version of the National Defence Complex Babur missile capable of launch from her old Khalid submarines, sees the S-20 as more than a conventional platform, although preventing an Indian blockade is certainly a major goal in and by itself. A sea-based deterrent would provide Islamabad with a second strike capability, while avoiding perceptions of falling behind India in the nuclear sphere. The resulting improvement in survivability is seen by Mansoor Ahmed (Stanton Nuclear Security junior faculty fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School’s Belfer Center), as providing greater strategic stability to South Asia, given that India could not be sure of completely destroying Pakistani nuclear forces and thus escape unacceptable damage herself.

Work on a sea-based deterrent may also be closely linked to the Navy’s status within the military. According to Scott Cheney-Peters (US Navy reserve officer and CIMSEC founder) “Unless Pakistan’s Navy can develop an at-sea strategic nuclear deterrent it is likely to remain the ‘junior service.’ This means it has a strong institutional incentive to pursue an SLBM second-strike capability. But just as this incentive may not be enough to bring the capability to fruition any time soon, so the second-capability may not be enough to remove the perception of the Navy as a junior partner in the nation’s armed forces.”

Alex Calvo is a guest professor at Nagoya University (Japan) focusing on security and defence policy, international law, and military history in the Indian-Pacific Ocean Region. A member of the Center for International Maritime Security (CIMSEC) and Taiwan’s South China Sea Think-Tank, he is currently writing a book about Asia’s role and contribution to the Allied victory in the Great War. He tweets @Alex__Calvo and his work can be found here.
I found a couple of books in local stores that described the Type-21 Amazons in detail. Turns out these were not designed by the RN but by civilian shipyards and were meant to solicit export sales (that never happened). Aluminium-Magnesium superstructure that burnt and melted when hit by bombs, poor accommodation for ratings but good ones for officers, low potential for upgrades such as towed arrays/better SAMs, unsuitability for service in heavy weather areas such as Iceland, Falklands, etc. meant that these gas turbine units were considered poorer value for money than the steam turbine Type-12I Leanders. Hence they performed poorly in the Falklands and were sold to the first bidder before completing 20 years in RN service. The Pakis have essentially been picking up fleet units that a first-class navy wouldn't hold on to. Good for fleet reviews and a quick 5 day war, but no staying potential in a fight.

The IN's needs were different hence the large internal-volume ships of the Godavari/Brahmaputra/Delhi/Kolkata/Shivalik classes with lots of room for upgrades and two 10-ton helicopter capability etc. Not to mention they appear to have good performance in heavy seas.

The PN can easily be countered with a dedicated force of missile corvettes, coastal ASW boats, and coast guard OPVs equipped for ASW. That way the bulk of the IN's capital ships can swing to the east. V.Adm Chauhan has a pretty interesting perspective here:
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Re: Indian Naval News & Discussion - 22 April 2015

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Need a brahmos lite for paki floating junk they call a navy.
Expending brahmos mijjiles is just too much ..

One brahmos however must solely be reserved for PNS babar and its jihadi Complement of sailors and their idiotic mullah kaptaan.
IN will see then how loud those abduls chant AoA.
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Re: Indian Naval News & Discussion - 22 April 2015

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Philip wrote:By then hopefully BMos-M/NG should be available and more can be carried.
Is there any tangible development activity being done on Brahmos-M/NG? AFAIK it remains a paper study only as there is no coop from Russia on the same. I think there are higher chances of Zircon coming to fruition.
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Re: Indian Naval News & Discussion - 22 April 2015

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First India-made #submarine #Kalvari leaves #MDL shipyard for sea trials in #Mumbai pic.twitter.com/Sdq5nLrcYX

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Re: Indian Naval News & Discussion - 22 April 2015

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Singha wrote:mubarak ho boys - arihant effect proved last straw on camels back
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India will spend 1,900 crores on buying two rescue submarines from a UK firm, the government has decided.

The decision to buy submarines for emergency deep-sea missions was first taken 14 years ago, but it was only last night that the Cabinet Committee on Security chose UK manufacturer James Fisher for the purchase.

http://jfdefence.com/products/dsar/index.php
James Fisher Defence (JFD) Press Release announcing DSRV sale:
JFD, the leading global subsea operations and engineering company and part of James Fisher and Sons plc, today announced that it has been awarded a £193m contract by the Indian Navy for the provision and long term support of its submarine rescue capability.

The contract includes the design, build and supply of two complete submarine rescue systems, and a 25-year all inclusive annual maintenance contract. This further enhances JFD’s worldwide submarine rescue service presence following last year’s announcement award of a £12.1m contract by the UK Ministry of Defence for operation of the NATO Submarine Rescue System (NSRS). With this additional contract, JFD will be delivering submarine rescue services to 6 of the most advanced navies in the world confirming the company's leadership in this elite niche.

JFD will provide two complete fly-away submarine rescue systems, including Deep Search and Rescue Vehicles (DSRV), Launch and Recovery Systems (LARS) equipment, Transfer Under Pressure (TUP) systems, and all logistics and support equipment required to operate the service. The equipment will be designed, manufactured, integrated and tested by JFD prior to shipping to India for final commissioning and trials.

The service support will be managed in country by a team of experienced JFD engineers. Over the life of the contract, the JFD team will train local teams of engineers to maintain the systems, employing the knowledge it has gained through years of operating world-class submarine rescue services with navies across the world and creating an indigenous expert submarine rescue capability. The service contract allows JFD to share best practice, expertise and commonality of approache, which will serve to benefit the entire global submarine community

The twin Indian systems draw on JFD’s extensive experience of manufacturing and operating submarine rescue systems and will be JFD’s first third-generation rescue systems. The innovative system designs and tightly integrated components will ensure Time-to-First-Rescue - the time measured between deployment of the system and commencement of the rescue itself- is minimised. The systems are heavily optimised for ease of transport and speed of mobilisation to a Vessel of Opportunity. These advancements demonstrate JFD’s commitment to continual improvement of the operational capability of its submarine rescue services worldwide and serve to increase the likelihood of a successful rescue operation.

Giovanni Corbetta, Managing Director of JFD, said:

“It is essential to the safety of submariners across the world that submarine rescue services are not just fit-for-purpose, but world class in capability, upholding the highest standards in safety and quality. The decision to entrust JFD with the supply of two submarine rescue systems is testament to the breadth and depth of our engineering expertise, and the diligence with which our submarine escape and rescue teams deliver these services.”
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JFD wins £193m significant Indian Navy Submarine Rescue contract

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Aditya G wrote:Which ship?
Per the JFD Press Release DSRV’s will be used off “Vessel of Opportunity” and is not tied to a particular ship.
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