Indian Navy News & Discussion - 22 April 2015

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 15 Oct 2016 04:20

There was news of backfires also couple of months back. But no news of it now. I am in big favor have having backfires carrying brahmos in its rotary launcher. These will act as deterrence in the IOR.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 15 Oct 2016 04:32

@Philip ^^^"Falling further behind.The pace of Chinese naval shipbuilding is most alarming for us as our homebuilt warships and subs are in almost every project years behind schedule. The order for the second CV must be placed asap."

The 'Storm' no doubt Philip.

Tied to purchases of Beriev flying boats as escorts. I admire your unstinting faith in Boris and Natasha.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 16 Oct 2016 18:22

Shtorm seems too large.100Kt+ Putting so much moolah into just one CV.We need two sister ships about 65Kt by 2030 to sail alongside the VikA and the
Vikrant-2.However,naval variants of the FGFA ,29Ks and NLCA should be the aircraft aboard the carriers large and med.

Berievs may be v.useful,as I've been saying for almost 2 decades.The Japanese amphib is v.costly and it makes no sense building them in India.They have no weaponry whatsoever and it would be better to acquire around 8 Berievs with ASW gear,etc. for the IN.However,we want to make some sort of statement with the Rising Son.Perhaps a buy of about 4 would suffice.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 17 Oct 2016 04:23

WOW...Rear Admiral Ravindra Jayanti Nadkarni is a spitting image of Admiral Jayant Ganpat Nadkarni (CNS from 1987 - 1990). Got to be his son.

https://twitter.com/indiannavy/status/7 ... 9766133760

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 17 Oct 2016 14:08

I think it would Ravindra Jayant Nadkarni not Jayanti. In Maharashtra fathers first name is your second name.

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 17 Oct 2016 14:09

Wish he makes it to chief - would be wonderful. Let's hope there is a 3rd gen too. Too few these days.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 17 Oct 2016 19:50

I was thinking about that - Jayant vs Jayanti. Perhaps he likes a flair in his name

I like the Marathi concept of naming. At least it makes sense. In the Christian community in Kerala - in a number of cases (in the absence of a house name) - the father's first name is used as the last name for the wife and children. You have some really funny ones when you follow that idea.

I think in the Navy it just too few that are reported. I see a number of Air Force (father-son) stories due to the glamour of flying fighter jets. Air Chief Marshal NAK Browne (the chief just prior to the present one) and his son (Sqn Ldr Omar Browne, Rambha pilot) come to mind. There was another Air Marshal (AOC WAC) recently who came in the news who also flew with his son (also another Rambha pilot). Cannot remember the name.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 17 Oct 2016 19:56

Rakesh wrote:At least it makes sense. In the Christian community in Kerala - in a number of cases (in the absence of a house name) - the father's first name is used as the last name for the wife and children. You have some really funny ones when you follow that idea.

OT, but the concept of using father's first name as last name for wife and children is there in TN across all demographics.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 17 Oct 2016 19:58

More awesome news if accurate.

Yusuf Unjhawala
‏@YusufDFI
From official DRDO presentation K4 is 6000+ km range SLBM with 2 ton 4 MIRV payload.

https://s27.postimg.org/n7cc3qceb/slbm.jpg

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 17 Oct 2016 20:03

Karthik S wrote:OT, but the concept of using father's first name as last name for wife and children is there in TN across all demographics.

I never knew that. I can only speak for Malayalee Christians, cause I am one myself. In Kerala, every newborn is Kunjumon (boy) or Kunjumol (girl)

The reason why I said it is funny is because the names end up sound weird. Check this example out. No offense intended. But you have to laugh at yourself and your tribe every now and then.

Ghevarghese Vaidyhan gets married to Lissy Punnoose. Rather than adopt the last name Vaidhyan as her married surname, Lissy adopts Ghevarghese as her married surname. Their children (Shino, Shinu & Shiny...yes all REAL first names we Malayalee Christians use!) are Shino Ghevarghese, Shinu Ghevarghese and so on. Just funny to me. That is all.

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 17 Oct 2016 20:05

OT alert
@Rakesh saar

Someone once said to me that the Surname concept was imposed by British and we usually had only self name and Father name as full name. Few communities had mother's name instead of father's, and few had some additional things in the names. I am not sure how much true it is but prima facie it makes some sense to me since most of our surnames are actually the professions that those families were doing or the titles or "Upadhi" that people had. And most of the surnames have no literal meaning whatsoever.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 17 Oct 2016 20:17

Thanks Jays Saar. I am going to refrain from commenting anymore before I get a warning from admins for derailing the thread. But is there a name thread in the General Discussion Forum?

John · Post by **John** » 18 Oct 2016 02:57

Karthik S wrote:Are we getting the frigates as well along with S 400 and other items? One advantage is that they can be inducted quickly as they are already at various stages of construction, thus can help increase navy's foot print.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... n-3081666/

Keep in mind 2nd batch of Grigorovich if procured will be towed and fitted here, most likely its armament will involve 16 cell Barak-8 in place of VL-Shtil and ak-630 in place of Kashtan.

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 18 Oct 2016 08:57

Karthik S wrote:More awesome news if accurate.

Yusuf Unjhawala
‏@YusufDFI
From official DRDO presentation K4 is 6000+ km range SLBM with 2 ton 4 MIRV payload.
https://s27.postimg.org/n7cc3qceb/slbm.jpg

No thats K-5. K-4 is 2 stage and has 4K range. I don't have that presentation but the slide before this has K-4 cut out.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 18 Oct 2016 09:05

Rakesh wrote:WOW...Rear Admiral Ravindra Jayanti Nadkarni is a spitting image of Admiral Jayant Ganpat Nadkarni (CNS from 1987 - 1990). Got to be his son.

https://twitter.com/indiannavy/status/7 ... 9766133760

<POOF> No unwanted details

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 18 Oct 2016 12:02

This is v.good news,but as posted ion another td,the speed with which China are building somewhat similar corvettes is mindboggling.We should build them all at once,two yards perhaps, so that at lest 2 are inducted every year.

http://defencenews.in/article/Indian-Na ... ettes-8782

Indian Navy begins preparation to build 7 multi-role Next Generation Corvettes
Monday, October 17, 2016
By: SPUTNIK News

The Indian Navy begins its preparation to build seven ‘Next Generation Corvettes’ at Indian shipyards that would be capable of offensive surface to surface missile attacks, and anti-submarine warfare operations.

According to specifications provided by the Indian Navy, the ship will have a range of not less than 4,000 nm, and will be capable of sailing at 27 knots. The India Navy requires all seven corvettes from 2023. The 120 meter long single hull corvettes, or small warships, will have low radar, acoustic, magnetic, visual and infra-red signatures.

“The ship should carry a minimum of 8 surface-to-surface missiles and should be able to engage sea skimming missiles, flying 3-5 m above sea level, up to maximum speed of Mach 3. Active towed array sonar, two light weight torpedo launcher should be fitted to the corvettes,” reads the Navy's document.

The Indian Navy has specified the need for a multi-function surveillance and threat alert radar in the warships for early warning and target identification.

There are presently more than 50 ships and submarines under construction in India. India has already built four anti-submarine warfare corvettes under Project-28, the first of which was handed over to the Indian Navy in 2014. This was built by Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers Ltd with 90 percent indigenization.

However,it does not say anything about an ASW helo,which should be part of the reqs.If not,then at least a helo deck from which an ASW helo could operate from,perhaps with a collapsible hangar as was used aboard the Leanders.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Oct 2016 22:20

No Air Independent Propulsion For Scorpene Submarines

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/no-air-i ... es-1475975

The reason is that DRDO, which is manufacturing the system, has missed the deadline.

"We are not looking at 5 and 6. In case we have to do it, we will do it as a retrofit," Vice Admiral GS Pabby, Controller of Warship Production and Acquisition, Indian Navy, said.

Sources said the AIP system could have been integrated into the last two of the six submarines if it was ready by the end of 2015.

Interestingly, the submarines still do not have its main weapon -- the heavyweight torpedos. The original torpedo selected for the submarine was the one manufactured by one of the subsidiaries of scam-tainted firm Finmeccanica. The government has decided to withdraw the tender for the heavyweight torpedos and go for an alternative.

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 18 Oct 2016 22:27

What is the torpedo alternative? Lets get the subs in water first. I hope IN has not lost interest in these subs after the leak.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 18 Oct 2016 22:43

Akshay Kapoor wrote:Wish he makes it to chief - would be wonderful. Let's hope there is a 3rd gen too. Too few these days.

Dont usually comment on past Chiefs, but senior Nadkarni represents the worst of "gora-gets-it-right-we-dont" spiel mongers. Here is hoping the son is not a local weapons system hater like his long forgotten dad.

Could not find the rebuttal by one kindergartener (link broken), but here is a memorial post from shiv about dad's 15 year old article and of course the original article in rediff by dad.

It can be said with certainty that the LCA will never become a frontline fighter with the Indian Air Force.

The Mirage 2000s and the Mig-29s that the air force has been flying from the 1980s have superior capabilities to any LCA that might be inducted in 2015, 2020 or 2025.

So the most prudent thing for the government would be to immediately terminate the LCA project. National and individual egos have been satisfied after the first flight.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Oct 2016 22:47

Rakesh wrote:Thanks Jays Saar. I am going to refrain from commenting anymore before I get a warning from admins for derailing the thread. But is there a name thread in the General Discussion Forum?

Adi kollu

sum · Post by **sum** » 19 Oct 2016 05:54

The reason is that DRDO, which is manufacturing the system, has missed the deadline.

"We are not looking at 5 and 6. In case we have to do it, we will do it as a retrofit," Vice Admiral GS Pabby, Controller of Warship Production and Acquisition, Indian Navy, said.

Sources said the AIP system could have been integrated into the last two of the six submarines if it was ready by the end of 2015.

Looks really bad on the DRDO since they had convinced IN not to go for the external option with a 400% guarentee it would be ready by the said timeline.
So, now IN is left holding the can with no AIP option till it is retrofitted later in the lifetime.

sankum · Post by **sankum** » 19 Oct 2016 06:37

Battery technology may advance sufficiently in the meantime to make DRDO AIP redundant.

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 19 Oct 2016 11:56

2nd Akula acquisition confirmed.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 19 Oct 2016 12:03

Details:

Russia agrees to lease another Nuclear Attack Submarine to India for $2bn
Wednesday, October 19, 2016
By: Hindustan Times

Russia has quietly agreed to lease out a second nuclear attack submarine of the Akula class to India this month in a deal worth around $2 billion. The lease of the first Akula-class submarine that the Indian Navy calls INS Chakra expires in 2021.

The lease deal for the second nuclear submarine was finalised at a summit-level meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

The attack submarine will arrive in Indian waters in 2020-21. The decision to acquire a second Russian nuclear submarine on lease was taken after India’s first indigenously built nuclear submarine INS Arihant was quietly commissioned days before the September 18 Uri terrorist attack. The 6,000-tonne indigenous nuclear submarine that can fire nuclear ballistic missiles up to a range of 3,500- km was commissioned in secret even as Pakistan Defence Minister Khwaja Asif was invoking in public the possibility of using tactical nuclear weapons against India.

The Akula-class submarine is nuclear powered but is armed with conventional land attack missiles. The Arihant, however, is part of India’s nuclear triad with Agni V missiles and aircraft-delivered nukes making up the other two legs. Given the sharp variation of temperatures with depth in Indian waters, the difficulty of detecting the Arihant makes it a potent weapon.

It is understood that Arihant has already been operationally deployed. The second indigenous nuclear submarine of the same class, INS Aridhaman, will slip into the water in 2018. Powered by an 83 MW miniaturized reactor which went critical on August 10, 2013, the Arihant had to undergo extensive diving and missile firing trials.

Pakistan does not have a nuclear submarine, and thus lacks a nuclear triad. China has four nuclear-powered submarines in operation, a number that will go up to six in a couple of years. China’s N-subs carry a version of the Dong Feng nuclear missile that has a range of up to 7,000 km.

The first lease 5 yrs ago was supposedly for $1.%B,option to buy after the lease has run out,probably at depreciated price.
There was an Ind. Exp. report today about the Arihant's reactor having glitches-not enough power for all op systems,etc. If that be true,then how was it able to complete all sea trials successfully? It doesn't ring true.Why would the PM then be planning to formally commission it.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 19 Oct 2016 12:17

Good report on the sub crisis in the IN which needs a quick-fix as well as a long term solution.To augment exg numbers,acquiring a few conventional boats from Russia is the only answer.We had 10 Kilos,the SR disaster left us with 9.A few are being upgraded in Russia,therefopre a couple of there newly built Kilos would be the easiest to acquire on lese.The other option is a U-boat solution.German U-214/216s.Again if a couple could be transferred asap,but less likely. The second line of subs conventional must be decided before the year end.

http://www.financialexpress.com/india-n ... at/422711/

Countering China: Even with India-made nuclear-powered INS Arihant, Indian Navy has a big submarine crisis
Even as India gets the INS Arihant and prepares to induct the Scorpene-class INS Kalvari, there are major concerns over its ability to deter and counter the enemy with such a poor number of subs.
By: Smriti Jain | Updated: October 18, 2016 4

The Indian Navy quietly added the much awaited INS Arihant, India’s first indigenously-built nuclear submarine, to its fleet in August. (Reuters file photo)
The Indian Navy quietly added the much awaited INS Arihant, India’s first indigenously-built nuclear submarine, to its fleet in August. The significance of this addition to India’s depleting fleet of submarines cannot be overstated, especially at a time when tensions with Pakistan are running high and China is flexing its muscles in the Indian Ocean. The INS Arihant is a 6,000-tonne submarine that is capable of launching nuclear weapons from underwater. Arihant is an SSBN, that is a submarine that can carry ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads. SSBNs are equipped with better stealth features and are larger compared to SSNs, which are nuclear-powered attack submarines. SSBNs are also said to be the “best guarantor” of a second strike capability in a nuclear exchange.

The submarine is propelled by an 83 MW pressurised light-water reactor at its core. In 2013, the nuclear reactor of the submarine went ‘critical’ and from December 2014 onwards, the sea trials began, which included the test firing of K-series of missiles. The K-15 submarine-launched ballistic missile has a range of 750-km and the K-4 has a range of up to 3,500-km. But the weapons integration will take some more time, which means that the INS Arihant is not yet fully ready to be deployed for deterrent patrols with nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles in its silos, says a TOI report.
Also read: INS Arihant, Indian Navy’s first indigenously-made nuclear submarine, commissioned quietly: All you want to know
But even as India gets the INS Arihant and prepares to induct the Scorpene-class INS Kalvari, there are major concerns over its ability to deter and counter the enemy with such a poor number of subs. India has only 13 conventional submarines, and these too are ageing. Indian Navy also has a nuclear-powered submarine, INS Chakra, that is on lease from Russia. In 2015, the government had approved the construction of six nuclear-powered submarines, the SSNs, that is attack submarines that are not equipped with ballistic missiles. Add to that, the fact that there was a major data leak with regards to the stealth capabilities of Indian Navy’s upcoming Scorpene-class submarines.
This paints a very grim picture of India’s submarine strength and its ability to check the enemy in its waters. To put things in global perspective, US has over 70 nuclear submarines and Russia has around 30. China has 5 nuclear submarines are over 51 conventional subs. It is already on course to induct around five SSBNs with missiles that have a range of up to 7,400 km!
PK Ghosh, a retired Indian Navy officer, and Senior Fellow at ORF feels that India’s submarine fleet is an issue of grave concern. “We are lagging behind in a big way when it comes to our submarine fleet. We are positioning ourselves in the current geostrategic environment, talking about the balance of power and guarantee of security. These are big words and we are eyeing an aspirational role, but the submarine fleet is a matter of great concern,” Ghosh tells FE Online. Flagging issues with current and future projects, Ghosh says, “The P-75 Scorpene project has been delayed endlessly and we need to upgrade our submarines, the current fleet is grossly inadequate. The Scorpene data has been exposed and there is no movement on the P-75I project. One has to understand that the Indian Navy works with a lag, any new platform takes around 4-5 years to build.” “China has anywhere between 55 to 65 conventional submarines and Pakistan has 5. India has 13, and if you assume an operational capability of 50%, then this is a serious condition,” he adds.*(Not to mention the 8 Yuan AIPs that China is building at home and in Pak for the PN)

Also read: Scorpene data leak a big blow to Indian Navy’s thin fleet of submarines
With reference to the INS Arihant too, Ghosh says that India has been waiting for the nuclear submarine for quite some time now! “It is good that we have managed to get it. Not many countries in the world have the capability to build a nuclear submarine. But in my view, we need more teeth,” Ghosh says. “While INS Arihant is an excellent platform, a submarine is only as good as the weapons that it can fire. Currently, INS Arihant has the K-15 missiles. K4 missiles will be introduced later. See, the basic of a submarine like INS Arihant is that you can identify targets from the sea and fire on the land, or you can attack ships in the water. If you don’t have the missile capability, then even an excellent platform like Arihant cannot help much.” “So while, we have achieved a major milestone with this ‘Made In India’ submarine, the platform needs to be fully utilised. For that the K4 missile needs to be operationalised,” he rues.

Agrees Captain (Retd) SV Challapati, a defence industry expert, who believes that in the next 10 years, India needs at least 6 nuclear and 25-30 conventional submarines. “We have a grossly inadequate submarine fleet. A submarine is highly deterrent, it is an offensive weapon. And you need to rotate submarines at sea because there is a fatigue factor for the hull, the system and people. For India to be able to flex its muscles in a credible manner, especially with regards to China, we need to greatly enhance the number of submarines that we have,” Challapati tells FE Online.
Which is not to say that INS Arihant and the programme involved in building it is any less important or insignificant. As Challapati notes, “The only two ways you can have a nuclear submarine is to either build it or lease it. But not many countries are willing to lease nuclear submarines like Russia has. There is a whole culture of trained manpower that is involved in a submarine programme. Whether it is a ship or a submarine, you need a lot of technical know-how, and capability to repair and operate. There is a whole doctrine around it. This has undoubtedly been a long journey for the Indian Navy and a big learning experience.”

Ankur Gupta, Vice President Aerospace & Defence at Ernst Young India, sees the INS Arihant as a critical element of national security as well as an effective-deliverable nuclear deterrent. “Approximately 17 years ago, the Indian Navy had approved a 30-year submarine capability plan which today seems to be behind schedule. The private sector has limited experience but sufficient spare capacity and the MoD should leverage the Make in India initiative to overcome the submarine capability shortfall at the earliest through the utilisation of these domestic available assets,” advises Ankur Gupta. “A quick decision on the proposed ‘Strategic Partnership Model’ in which submarines is one of the identified areas will also help boost confidence in the private sector and help the Navy in meeting its pre-set requirements,” he tells FE Online.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 19 Oct 2016 12:38

Since japan doesn't want to sell whole weapon systems like soryu subs, they can set up manufacturing of their latest batteries to be used in next submarines replacing aip system.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 19 Oct 2016 12:41

Manish_Sharma wrote:Since japan doesn't want to sell whole weapon systems like soryu subs, they can set up manufacturing of their latest batteries to be used in next submarines replacing aip system.

Japan was an eager participant in Australian tender for submarines, which they lost to France. I would imagine that a rethink in their position would e in order.

RKumar · Post by **RKumar** » 19 Oct 2016 13:02

I don't know how Indian subs are in crisis, we have two types of subs (No-clear and Disele) being inducted and their production lines getting stable to churn out the around 11 subs during next 5-10 years.

Next batch will be on avail with better specifications, it has to be seen how fast we can deliver second around/iteration of local stuff.

arun · Post by **arun** » 19 Oct 2016 17:50

Car Nicobar Class Water Jet Fast Attack Craft (WJFAC) INS Tihayu commissioned:

INS Tihayu Joins the Indian Navy

VKumar · Post by **VKumar** » 19 Oct 2016 19:08

They might as well added some sonar and depth charges in INS Tihayu, as well as a basic anti ship missile, and made it a full menu item. Perhaps they still can do this.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Oct 2016 19:48

japanese were all keen to bag the gora order but become all prissy and NPTish when talking to us.

let them lose their arrogance and then come talk to us. before that, things are not on same page.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 19 Oct 2016 20:07

sankum wrote:Battery technology may advance sufficiently in the meantime to make DRDO AIP redundant.

A nuke tea kettle will also act as an AIP. without the issues associated with a full size sub reactor. That could be a direction the DRDO could look at.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 20 Oct 2016 11:28

We must ask for a dekko at the design /specs of the new Kalina class design,which will begin constr. before 2020.Acquiringon lease a few more subs will meet the current shortfall until new boats arrive to replace them.

http://defencenews.in/article/Frigates- ... siles-8839

Frigates Exported to India installed with Russian Engines and the deadly BrahMos Missiles
Thursday, October 20, 2016
By: Mil.Today

"The ships, at least those to be built by the Kaliningrad-based shipyard Yantar, will be powered by gas turbine engines made by NPO Saturn", reports FlotProm reporting to an insider in the shipyard. Thus, Russia will supply India with fully completed frigates.

In addition, the ships will be armed with the BrahMos antiship missiles jointly designed by Russian and Indian companies.

"These missiles are already mounted on the three Project 11356 frigates and Talwar-class ships”, said Praveen Pathak, manager of BrahMos Aerospace. “The ships being built under the signed agreement will be equipped with these Russian-Indian missiles as well”, he added.

The intergovernment contract implying technical assistance to the Indian party in setting production of Project 11356 frigates was signed on October 15 at the BRICS summit held in Goa, India. As was agreed, two ships will be built in Russia at the Yantar shipyard, and other two – in India.

Apart of three mentioned Project 11356 ships, Indian Navy operates six Talwar-class frigates designed by the Severnoye Design Bureau and built at the Baltiysky Zavod and Yantar shipyards. Construction expertise of Talwars was the basis for designing of Russian Project 11356 frigates.

http://defencenews.in/article/India-Rus ... riers-8838

India-Russia tweaking Brahmos to shatter Chinese Aircraft Carriers
Thursday, October 20, 2016
By: India Today

The first test of the air-launched Brahmos is to be conducted in the Bay of Bengal sometime in December this year. A derelict naval warship is to be hit by a Brahmos launched from a specially modified Su-30MKI.

Indian and Russian missile scientists are now tweaking a formidable capability into the air-launched Brahmos supersonic cruise missile: an ability to shatter airaircraft carriers from extended ranges.

The first test of the air-launched Brahmos is to be conducted in the Bay of Bengal sometime in December this year. A derelict naval warship is to be hit by a Brahmos launched from a specially modified Su-30MKI.

The December test window follows the successful integration and drop test of a Brahmos missile from a modified Su-30MKI at HAL, Nashik on June 25.

Reports from the sidelines of the recently concluded BRICS summit in Goa quoted President Vladimir Putin on plans to increase the range of the 290-km Indo-Russian Brahmos missile. This follows India's entry into the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) club in June 2016. (Non MTCR members cannot access technology for missiles with ranges over 300 km). The army and the navy already operated land and sea-based versions of the Brahmos missile inducted in 1998. The IAF will become the third service to field the missile with the air-launched test of the missile in December.

LIVE TEST ::

The test will hit the warship target at an angle of 65 degrees and destroy it. But this capability would not enough to stop an aircraft carrier of over 60,000 tonnes. "Carriers have sealable compartments designed to survive multiple hits from anti-ship missiles," one missile scientist says. This is where Phase 2 of the Brahmos missile test comes in next year-fitting a modified radar seeker on the missile that can lock onto a moving aircraft carrier and plunge onto its decks in a near 90-degree death dive. The deck of a large aircraft carrier-nearly 300 metres long and 75 metres wide-presents the largest available target for a homing cruise missile's radar seeker.

"The sheer kinetic energy of the missile travelling at nearly three times the speed of sound and the high explosive warhead will destroy the aircraft carrier," a scientist says. This development comes amidst reports of China's aircraft carrier programme. China inducted a refurbished Soviet build aircraft carrier, the 67,000-tonne Liaoning, in 2012. It is building two aircraft carriers, the first of which photographs leaked onto online forums revealed as a Type 001A aircraft carrier being built in China's Dalian shipyard. The first carrier, with a displacement estimated at between 60,000 and 70,000 tonnes, is likely to be inducted into the PLA Navy by 2020. China has claimed to have modified its DF-21D medium range ballistic missiles into antiship ballistic missiles (ASBMs). The capability was developed specifically to target US aircraft carriers from ground-based launchers over 1700-km away.

IS IT TOO EARLY?

Naval analysts say it is still early days before India can field a similar carrier-killing capability. "The missile has to tick a number of boxes before it can be called a carrier killer," says former navy chief Admiral Arun Prakash (retired). "The missile has to be able to acquire the carrier over 300 km away, escape radar jamming from its target and, finally, home in on the target and destroy it."
Brahmos scientists say they are confident of meeting all these challenges.

Some of these capabilities, they say, were demonstrated in a very significant test of the Brahmos in May 2015. A Brahmos missile launcher was airlifted by an IAF C-17 Globemaster III to the Andaman islands. A surface-to-surface version of the missile was fired and successfully hit a target on an island nearly 300 km away. The missile navigated through a series of way points before hitting the target within a 5-metre circular error probable (CEP).

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 20 Oct 2016 12:33

https://sputniknews.com/asia/2016092110 ... a-project/

Listening to the Ocean: India Starts Undersea Project to Monitor Rival Subs

ASIA & PACIFIC 17:42 21.09.2016 India intends to construct a seabed-based surveillance sensor array. This would monitor all submarine or naval ships patrolling the South China Sea and Indian Ocean Region. Worried by Increased Movement Across Pakistan Border After Kashmir Attack New Delhi (Sputnik) – Indian PM Narendra Modi's government has given its approval to a project under which it will start laying an undersea optical fiber cable to strategically important locations in the Indian Ocean region. “Union Cabinet has given its approval for the provision of a direct communication link through a dedicated submarine Optical Fibre Cable (OFC) between India's mainland (Chennai) and Port Blair and five other islands viz. Little Andaman, Car Nicobar, Havelock, Kamorta and Great Nicobar,” reads a statement released by Indian government. Geography and the location of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands in the Bay of Bengal safeguard India's eastern seaboard. The estimated cost of the project is USD 165 mln, including operational expenses for 5 years. The project is likely to be completed by December 2018. Government sources told to Sputnik that Japan International Cooperation Agency is expected to fund the project. Following its completion, India would construct its own array of seabed-based surveillance sensors stretching from Indonesia’s Sumatra Island to Indira Point in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. The seabed based surveillance sensors would monitor all submarine or naval ships patrolling the South China Sea and Indian Ocean Region. Currently satellites are the only medium for providing telecommunications connectivity between the mainland and the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, but the available bandwidth is limited to 1 Gbp

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/asia/2016092110 ... a-project/

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 20 Oct 2016 13:11

VKumar wrote:They might as well added some sonar and depth charges in INS Tihayu, as well as a basic anti ship missile, and made it a full menu item. Perhaps they still can do this.

Such a version already exists.

Its called INS Delhi

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 20 Oct 2016 23:53

Philip wrote:Listening to the Ocean: India Starts Undersea Project to Monitor Rival Subs

This is a wild extrapolation from just having a undersea communication link to A&N

titash · Post by **titash** » 21 Oct 2016 01:13

John wrote:
Karthik S wrote:Are we getting the frigates as well along with S 400 and other items? One advantage is that they can be inducted quickly as they are already at various stages of construction, thus can help increase navy's foot print.

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... n-3081666/
Keep in mind 2nd batch of Grigorovich if procured will be towed and fitted here, most likely its armament will involve 16 cell Barak-8 in place of VL-Shtil and ak-630 in place of Kashtan.

One of the main attractions of placing a repeat order for 4 Talwar class (in lieu of P-17 Shivalik) may have to do with the fact that it can embark and support a Ka-31 and provide over the horizon AEW coverage to a battle group; after all the carriers may or may not be available at all times.

I remember seeing a news clipping that the IN had to go through reverse engineering of navigation equipment to make the INS Viraat compatible with the Ka-31...clearly our desi designs such a Godavaris, Shivaliks, and Kolkatas are geared towards supporting western helos such as SeaKing/SeaHawk only. I don't think i've ever seen a photo of them embarking a Ka-28
https://www.strategypage.com/militaryfo ... ofcomments

John - I doubt the 16 cell Barak-8 will be used; more likely the VLS Shtil...the EL/M-2248 radar is just too massive for the Talwar. Not sure if a russian Top-Plate can talk to the BArak-8 fire control system as well.

salaam · Post by **salaam** » 21 Oct 2016 03:04

^^ that pic is extremely good

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 21 Oct 2016 05:16

Ah, shows the size of Kolkata class.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 21 Oct 2016 05:28

I hope buying these 3 new Talwars was a quid-pro-quo for the second Akula and at least a tacit understanding that the Chakra's lease would be extended by another 10 years (this is crucial). Otherwise it is an absolute shame that we capped the Shivaliks at 3 and proceeded to buy these instead.