brar_w wrote:The Rafale production is down to single digits per year at the moment from 11 in 2014 iirc.
No, in 2015 Dassault produced 11 Rafale as usual but delivered only 8 (5 for France, 3 for Egypt).
As per the contractual agreement with Egypt the last 3 Rafale were delivered yesterday.
brar_w wrote:The biggest thing with a lot of the comments here is that folks simply divide the total cost by the total amount and then start to throw non apples to apples figures like Su-35 for $15 Million, Su-30 for $60 Million etc. What is being negotiated here is an extremely small amount of a fairly expensive 4+ generation fighter, with OEM support, and a PBL'esque system of spares for at least 5 years, with possible coverage through 10 years, or approximately a 1/3 of the life of the aircraft. What this deal also covers is between 30% (less likely) and 50% (more likely) offset and a weapons package from a supplier that is known to offer some of the most expensive weapons in their class. All in, expensive YES, it was always going to be so..but it is wrong to say a rafale costs 250 Million, or $300 Million..there is a lot more in that, then just a rafale.
This is a honest and level-headed message, it should be highlighted.
Indeed, the price of the full package is directly proportional to the lenght of the Indian negotiators’ list of exigences.
According to an Indian forumer on another forum who claims to be close to an Indian source :
Source based information - (take it with pinch of salt, dont blame me)
* Jets + weapons are estimated at Euro 4 bn
* Customization includes Astra BVR integration + another few specific customization which needs development and financing by India.
* The customization cost is coming out high as Indian Rafales will be in between F3 OT4 but less than F3R. Such customization are at present Not requested by any AF including FrAF (beyond IRST)
* The customization cost itself is estimated at close to Euro 2 Bn plus which includes systems/sub systems from Israel and is a one time cost for all future purchases at one go.
* The spares/service being procured is for 10 years and India is negotiating for 15 years at the same price.
The deal all inclusive is estimated at Euro 11 Bn
Without surprise, the bigger the appetite, the bigger the bill is.