ranjan.rao wrote:Dasault has confirmed that the Rafales will be delivered at a rate of two airframes per month.
Dassault has a current production rate of 8 planes per annum and has orders to fulfill from other countries who paid as much as we did. Even if it doubles its current production rate (which is expected), the best we can expect is one aircraft per month starting 2019.
The deal includes ToT and a 50% offset where France will invest 30 percent [b]into military aeronautics-related research programs and 20 percent into local production of Rafale components. ToT includes state-of-the-art technologies in stealth, radar, thrust vectoring for missiles, and materials for electronics and micro-electronics.
How long can people milk us by dandling this carror of ToT. "Doodh ka jala chaanch bhi phoonk phoonk ke peeta hai" (Once scalded by hot milk, a person even cools the cream before drinking it), but we ...
Dassault reneged on its promise of ToT, and wanted to shift the production away from HAL to Reliance under the pretext that HAL does not have the background to absorb ToT.
Let me remind forumites about a 6 billion project called Maitri. The primary technologies that France was to transfer: active homing-head (ala seeker), thrust vector control and composites for propulsion system. I implore forumites to find out from their chaiwallas why this project went nowhere inspite of ready customers and inspite of money being put on the table. There were at least two occasions when the Indian side tried to revive this project. Today, when we are close to developing our own SRSAM/QRSAM, we are supposedly buying this technology. [This forum needs a faceplam icon]
I want to know under what context, will we get ToT for stealth, radar, materials for electronics/micro-electronics? Right now the first 36 are to be procured off-the-shelf from France. We won't even paint it, forget radar, materials. Let's say we order 120 more, of which 18 are SKD, 18 are CKD, and the remaining 70-odd are license produce in HAL. Experience has taught us that for these numbers, HAL-produced Rafales are going to be more expensive than ones that are directly imported. In fact, when this deal for 36 was announced, it was said that the cost of manufacturing Rafales at HAL was inf act working out to be more expensive than directly import them, so let's import. So much are we going to spend to buy and maintain these 150 Rafales. From my calculations the acquisition costs itself will balloon to somewhere between $50-$60 Billion!
Actually, this whole thing is so messed up, I don't even feel like writing anything anymore. It makes my blood boil. Today, it is being justified that we are getting 36 Rafales for 7.8billion Euros, glorifying a suggested 30% reduction from the quoted price. Where is this quoted price coming from? The original MMRCA was for 128-odd planes. There was no talk of 36 Rafales before that. If 36 Rafales were quoted at 10+ billion euros, then I have to believe that IAF chose a bid of around 50 billion dollars for 128 planes
. Can't believe that.
The only thing that can make my blood boil further: Rafales being screwdrivered by Reliance in Fadnavis's state.