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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby Rahul M » 10 Jun 2015 19:26

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby chaanakya » 10 Jun 2015 19:35

Karan M wrote:
Singha wrote:A naxal leader with a 10lakh bounty on his head was KIA this week..with a few of his band.
He had cut open the stomach of a dead crpf jawan and put explosives inside which did not go off fortunately


Link?

That is a Singh Post. You have to search for the source on your own. I have posted the news in " Red Meanace" thread.

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby SanjayC » 10 Jun 2015 19:37

Viv S wrote:
SanjayC wrote:While the rest of the Indians may be guilty of benign neglect or ignorance (most won't be able to point out Tripura on the map), the North Easterners have hatred due to religious bigotry (xianity) or just because Indians look different to them. They are like Kashmiris - they will keep demanding more and more and keep hating you more and more, while creating a guilt complex in you about their "mistreatment" even as they purge the land of anyone who doesn't look like them.


Well if we're in agreement that folks from the North East aren't Indians, lets just give them total autonomy if not independence and have it done with.


Why does any talk about Kashmiris and North Easterns begin and end with cursing the rest of Indians for not doing enough, while it is considered immoral to point out that maybe these dudes have a major attitude problem?
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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby Sid » 10 Jun 2015 19:39

Karan M wrote:All this development stuff is a misnomer.. the crooks and thugs have to be taken out first otherwise they'll eat off the cream and nothing will reach the public.

Khaplang's head has to be brought forth on a platter.


That's a very hawkish approach and very narrow point of view of actual situation.

Its off topic, but Khaplang is supported from almost all tribal leaders. In that area things are managed by these tribal leaders only. And they are way more powerful then village Sarpanchs in Hariyana. These tribes control vast amount of land mass, and manage it the way they want it. Plus they are fighting to claim land, which these tribes control, from other states as well like Assam. Power dynamics there is way more complex then what it looks like.

Now what you are suggesting is based on assumption that these are misguided people being led to rebel by some thugs, who are managed by PLA/ISI. And cutting of the head will somehow release them from this enchantment. If above is your assumption then you are thinking in the wrong direction.

Now my take on the situation. There is a power struggle in this faction, maybe by some young jock, which was fanned by external powers. Which led to this sudden break from ceasefire and escalation of violation. And in retaliation we hit some camps which we think attackers used.

IA will subdue them, like we did since first Op Rhino. But this situation is not sustainable. We need to connect them with India.

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby Pranay » 10 Jun 2015 19:42

http://www.outlookindia.com/news/articl ... led/901458


Myanmar Cross-Border Operation: 38 NE Insurgents Killed
NEW DELHI | JUN 10, 2015

38 Northeast insurgents were killed and seven others injured, as per the latest reports about the surgical strike carried out by the Indian army's special forces deep inside Myanmar yesterday.

The plan for the first of its kind operation was chalked out hours after insurgents killed 18 soldiers in an ambush in Chandel area of Manipur on June 4 and got the clearance from Prime Minister Narendra Modi on the night of June 7, soon after his return from Bangladesh, said sources privy of the details.

At a meeting on June 4, chaired by Home Minister Rajnath Singh and attended by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, NSA Ajit Doval, Army Chief Dalbir Singh Suhag and others, it was initially suggested that the attack on militants camp should be carried out the very next day, the sources said here today.

However, the Army Chief expressed his inability to carry out the strike at such a short notice.

Since a "hot-pursuit" normally is carried out within 72 hours, it was decided that the strike has to be executed as early as possible.

Then, the top security establishment decided that the attack would be carried out on Monday and General Suhag was asked to make all the preparations.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi was briefed about the decision, the sources said.

The meeting explored the options of air strike using Sukhoi and MiG-29 fighters as well as ground strike by special forces of the army.

However, this option was ruled out since the possibility of collateral damage was high in an air strike.


When the attack was finalised, the Prime Minister was in Bangladesh and there was a necessity to brief him all aspects of the operation. So, the strike was again delayed by a day and finalised for early Tuesday morning.

The Prime Minister was briefed about the operation after his arrival from Bangladesh on Sunday night and got his final clearance.

Meanwhile, the Army Chief undertook a visit to Manipur.

During the intervening night of Monday and Tuesday, the special forces personnel were airdropped deep inside the Myanmar territory, closer to the camps of the militants, and the strike started at 3 O'clock yesterday.

Sources said as of now, as per the ground reports, 38 militants were killed and seven others were injured in the strike.

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby arshyam » 10 Jun 2015 19:44

Karan M wrote:What will Pakistanis try to do what they are not already trying?

What else, but more public brownings? :lol:

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Postby Picklu » 10 Jun 2015 19:55

However some of the high ranking ones have been missed it seems. Plus outs some of the informants as well.

http://www.anandabazar.com/national/%E0 ... 8-1.157551

http://www.anandabazar.com/national/%E0 ... 0-1.158006

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby Viv S » 10 Jun 2015 19:57

Rahul M wrote:one more post on inter-ethnic group relations in India and the poster gets a month off from BR.

apply below.


Please delete the relevant posts. Mine in particular (probably should have ignored that previous post). I'd do it myself but the delete function has lapsed.

Also, in your role as an administrator (as opposed to a moderator) could you please please conference with the others and get some sort of firewall up between the military and ... lets call it 'social' parts of BRF.

Considering the sheer volume of discussions on the forum, its not feasible to have the moderators monitor every page which is why comments of this sort are perhaps inevitable. But that was less of an problem when it was happening in the background allowing the staff to focus on regulating the most important and authoritative section of the forum i.e. Military Issues & History.

Unfortunately, the redirect from the main page to the 'Active Topics' section (instead of 'Discussion Forums) is causing a spillover that is bound to be disruptive.

P.S. - I'm sorry about bringing this up here but the Forum Feedback section (where I started out) ironically is the one of the places that apparently doesn't get a lot of traffic.

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby putnanja » 10 Jun 2015 19:57

Pranay wrote:http://www.outlookindia.com/news/article/myanmar-crossborder-operation-38-ne-insurgents-killed/901458


Myanmar Cross-Border Operation: 38 NE Insurgents Killed
NEW DELHI | JUN 10, 2015

38 Northeast insurgents were killed and seven others injured, as per the latest reports about the surgical strike carried out by the Indian army's special forces deep inside Myanmar yesterday.

The plan for the first of its kind operation was chalked out hours after insurgents killed 18 soldiers in an ambush in Chandel area of Manipur on June 4 and got the clearance from Prime Minister Narendra Modi on the night of June 7, soon after his return from Bangladesh, said sources privy of the details.

At a meeting on June 4, chaired by Home Minister Rajnath Singh and attended by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, NSA Ajit Doval, Army Chief Dalbir Singh Suhag and others, it was initially suggested that the attack on militants camp should be carried out the very next day, the sources said here today.

However, the Army Chief expressed his inability to carry out the strike at such a short notice.
...


That clearly explains the difference between "exercising maximum restraint","not give in to emotions", "larger ramifications", "what will other countries think", "exchanging dossiers","asking international community to take note" etc and actually trying to prevent future such occurences in a calculated manner to protect our people and country!

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby Philip » 10 Jun 2015 20:02

Now I think people will understand my crying in the wilderness,like a Biblical prophet for aeons about the need to have COIN aircraft under IA control,along with the attack helos.These can be swiftly out into action by the IA without having to get the IAF's cooperation losing valuable time in which to prosecute the enemy. A mention was made of our special forces which famously rescued over 200 Indian UN peacekeeping troops in Africa ,who were surrounded,fighting their way out of trouble for almost 100km(?),using our MI-35 gunships,which also carry troops. This was a true "shock and awe" sensation to the other firang troops also part of the UN force and the Brits copied our tactics later on to rescue their own boys.

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby ramana » 10 Jun 2015 20:10

Dilbu wrote:Even if this kind of operation was conducted in the past, what makes the current operation stand out is its context and timing. Never in the past have India so swiftly responded to an attack on its soldiers and that too by crossing borders. This was not an exercise which could be planned in coordination with foreign militaries & govts taking its own sweet time as some babu found it fit. This was swift and effective response to an attack. The message is loud and clear. If someone cannot digest Modi getting the well deserved accolades they can eat hajmola and run to nearest pakistan.



Dilbu as usual very good observation. Glad folks like you are still around.


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Postby Karan M » 10 Jun 2015 20:13

Sid wrote:That's a very hawkish approach and very narrow point of view of actual situation.


Its a fact based on what's been happening all over India. Prop crooks up, buy temporary peace and lose the larger arena. You can bribe warlords only so far. Narrow view, hawkish etc are all your subjective opinions.

Its off topic, but Khaplang is supported from almost all tribal leaders. In that area things are managed by these tribal leaders only. And they are way more powerful then village Sarpanchs in Hariyana. These tribes control vast amount of land mass, and manage it the way they want it. Plus they are fighting to claim land, which these tribes control, from other states as well like Assam. Power dynamics there is way more complex then what it looks like.


The tribes may want whatever they want, but why is Khaplang "powerful"? Its because he has power and uses it. He is ruthless, and violent. He has usurped the role of the state. The state has to take it back and show the tribes who is at the top of the pecking pole. No other way.

Now what you are suggesting is based on assumption that these are misguided people being led to rebel by some thugs, who are managed by PLA/ISI. And cutting of the head will somehow release them from this enchantment. If above is your assumption then you are thinking in the wrong direction.


These are your assumptions, not mine. Mine is straightforward. Crooks and warlords like Khaplang take advantage of absence of the state. They then make themselves indispensable. After a point, soft touch doesn't work. PLA/ISI etc are besides the point.

An example has to be made of Khaplang, simply because you don;t attack the IA and get away. That lesson has to be drilled into the heads of all these so called "leaders".

Now my take on the situation. There is a power struggle in this faction, maybe by some young jock, which was fanned by external powers. Which led to this sudden break from ceasefire and escalation of violation. And in retaliation we hit some camps which we think attackers used.


No evidence so far to back your assumptions.

IA will subdue them, like we did since first Op Rhino. But this situation is not sustainable. We need to connect them with India.


IA has to smash the attacking groups and development has to proceed apace. One can't go ahead without the other.
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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby ramana » 10 Jun 2015 20:16

Amitabh, Don't spoil the occasion by bringing inconsequential actions by UPA.
Its not the same thing.

This is a landmark event.


Its akin to the Pravin Swami article about role of MEA in this action.

The risks and shooting was taken by the Army and IAF.
And this fool gives MEA credit.

When Myanmar already had a treaty with India to prevent cross border terrorists and all they needed was being informed where does MEA become the prime focus except in a fevered mind?

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby ramana » 10 Jun 2015 20:17

Surya, I request you to put together an article on this operation in your inimitable style.
Thanks in advance,

ramana

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby Prasad » 10 Jun 2015 20:23

Philip wrote:Now I think people will understand my crying in the wilderness,like a Biblical prophet for aeons about the need to have COIN aircraft under IA control,along with the attack helos.These can be swiftly out into action by the IA without having to get the IAF's cooperation losing valuable time in which to prosecute the enemy. A mention was made of our special forces which famously rescued over 200 Indian UN peacekeeping troops in Africa ,who were surrounded,fighting their way out of trouble for almost 100km(?),using our MI-35 gunships,which also carry troops. This was a true "shock and awe" sensation to the other firang troops also part of the UN force and the Brits copied our tactics later on to rescue their own boys.


This situation in fact cries out for a Joint Spec Ops command to do the needful instead of having to harangue one unit or the other for getting infra into place.

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby Sid » 10 Jun 2015 20:23

Karan M wrote:Crooks and warlords like Khaplang take advantage of absence of the state. They then make themselves indispensable.


Karan, I will only quote one line from your above argument and I agree with it. To fill that void something needs to be done.

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby Sid » 10 Jun 2015 20:33

Indian troops cross into Myanmar to attack rebel bases

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/06/i ... 16863.html

Indian parachute commandos in helicopters have crossed over the border into Myanmar to strike separatist bases in retaliation against an ambush in Manipur state last week that left 18 Indian soldiers dead, officials said.
Military officials said between 30 to 50 rebels were killed in Tuesday's surprise raids, but a rebel group led by Burmese Naga leader S S Khaplang said the Indian claims were "exaggerated" and that there were few casualties.

India's junior information minister Rajyavardhan Singh Rathore told TV channels that the "hot pursuit strikes" on separatist bases in Myanmar had been authorised by Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

“Be it Yemen or Iraq, attacks on Indians are not acceptable. This is also a message to our neighbours who shelter terrorists,” Rathore said.
The strikes were in retaliation for last Thursday's ambush by rebel groups, who fired rocket-propelled grenades and detonated explosives on an Indian army convoy.
The toll of 18 Indian soldiers was the heaviest loss for Indian security forces in Manipur in two decades. Two rebels were also killed in that raid.
Major-General Ranbir Singh, of the Indian army's Military Operations Directorate, told Al Jazeera that Tuesday's "surgical strikes" were carried out with the "specific intelligence that these rebels were planning more attacks".
“Our soldiers did not suffer any casualties ,” said Singh.
Military officials said commandos of India’s 21st Para Regiment were involved in at least two attacks; one on a Naga rebel base across from Noklak in India’s Nagaland state and the other across Chassad in neighbouring northeastern Manipur.
Intelligence officials said a third rebel base jointly run by the Naga and Manipuri rebels at Onzia inside Myanmar was also attacked . this is fishy, Naga and Manipuri dont gel together
Myanmar 'informed'
Myanmar officials said that India’s ambassador Gautam Mukhopadhyay had informed the country’s foreign ministry about "some attacks on rebels".
India has long persuaded Myanmar to flush out its northeastern rebels who have bases in the jungles of its Sagaing region, so far without much success.
The countries have an agreement in which their armies can cross into each other's territory to act against "terrorists".
While Bhutan and Bangladesh have killed and captured many of the rebels, Myanmar has said its army was already stretched fighting its own anti-Myanmar insurgencies in Kachins, Kokang and Karen regions.
Myanmar's forces have also occasionally crossed into India’s Mizoram and Manipur states chasing its own ethnic Chin and Arakanese rebels, and India has looked the other way.
“Now it seems Myanmar will do the same ,” said retired military official Gaganjit Singh, who commanded an army division in the northeast during the peak of ethnic unrest in the region.

"We have good military-to-military cooperation with Myanmar and we both understand each other’s compulsions. They have bigger insurgencies to fight, we have our own northeastern rebels to tackle."
Myanmar’s army cooperated with India on “Operation Golden Bird” in 1995 to attack northeastern separatists bringing in weapons from the Arakan coast but has done little since, Binoda Mishra, an authority on Myanmar, said.
A top Indian security analyst told Al Jazeera on Tuesday that it was unwise for India to brag about cross-border military raids.

"Covert operations are best when they are kept secret," said analyst Ajay Sahni.


This Ajai Sahni is a self professed counter-terrorism expert.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajai_Sahni

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby nandakumar » 10 Jun 2015 20:36

manjgu wrote:i quite agree with Sid...NE has been neglected and made feel not part of india... though not an excuse for insurgency. India must invest heavily in NE in terms of development etc. the people need to have economic ties, educational ties, emotional ties with indian state... we mock NE people in india..as *deleted* and expect them to feel indian?

Pardon my ignorance. What is this thing about, 'they are not connected'? Are Uighur Residents all that connected with Han Chinese? But that doesn't result in complete lawlessness that is the halmark of NE insurgency. Yes Chinese do lose some people. But certainly not army soldiers. Nobody questions Chinese claims to the Uighur province. But we constantly have to prover our title to that piece of land.

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby Suraj » 10 Jun 2015 21:05

JE Menon wrote:Gentlemen, please take the SEAL and various other special forces structure discussions to another thread. They are valid, etc. but this thread is for the operation that was carried out yesterday, details, responses, media commentary and such like.

This thread can then be used as a repository of information on this operation, so perhaps somebody who has the ability and knowledge to write an article for BRM/SRR can do so and Suraj will hopefully put it in.

Any more of those off-topic stuff will be deleted when found.

+1. A BRM/SRR article spot is readily available for the taking of anyone willing to sit down and write about this from a military and strategic context. Collaborate if multiple people are interested :)

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Postby Singha » 10 Jun 2015 21:06

>> Intelligence officials said a third rebel base jointly run by the Naga and Manipuri rebels

manipur has two types of rebels - one is allied to the nagas (maybe ethic naga or something close)...the greater nagalim demand encompasses some districts of manipur also + parts of myanmar , assam and arunachal.
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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby arshyam » 10 Jun 2015 21:08

Murugan wrote:Syed Ata Hasnain on the Ops

http://swarajyamag.com/politics/the-arm ... orth-east/

The good general says it best:

Lastly, retribution for the killing of our brave soldiers is celebration time but this must also be an occasion to reconfigure ourselves for a long struggle ahead. The operations have not ended. In fact they have just begun.

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby member_28851 » 10 Jun 2015 21:12

Myanmar denies Indian Army killing rebels in its territory, says military ops were carried out on Indian side of the border : NDTV

https://twitter.com/ndtv/status/608670909101187072

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Postby Rakesh » 10 Jun 2015 21:13

DheerajG wrote:Myanmar denies Indian Army killing rebels in its territory, says military ops were carried out on Indian side of the border : NDTV

https://twitter.com/ndtv/status/608670909101187072

Plausible Deniability :mrgreen:

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Postby Rakesh » 10 Jun 2015 21:16

70 commandos completed Myanmar operation in 40 minutes
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/-70-commandos-completed-myanmar-operation-in-40-minutes-/20150610.htm

The teams trekked through the thick jungles for at least five kilometers before they reached the training camps.

"Each of the two teams were further divided into two sub-groups. While one was responsible for the direct assault, the second formed an outer ring to prevent any of insurgents from running and escaping," security sources said.

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Postby Aditya G » 10 Jun 2015 21:19

Murugan wrote:Syed Ata Hasnain on the Ops

http://swarajyamag.com/politics/the-arm ... orth-east/


That it was a precision and surgical strike with the use of high quality weapons of the Special Forces is a given because such forces are trained for precisely such operations. The unit involved has a rich history of success behind it. In 2008 it conducted an outstanding operation by stealth using modern technology for acquisition of accurate information and struck using unconventional transportation means. It was hardly revealed in the public domain just like this operation must not be revealed either. It adds to the value of and effectiveness of such operations.

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Postby JE Menon » 10 Jun 2015 21:41

ramana wrote:Surya, I request you to put together an article on this operation in your inimitable style.
Thanks in advance,

ramana


Seconded.

No pressure :mrgreen:

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Postby sanjaykumar » 10 Jun 2015 21:46

Reports are that the militants did not fire a shot. This was likely an American style operation. Preemptive fire very likely not small arms, meant to be brutal and cause mass carnage, killing chickens to frighten monkeys in far off places.

I do fear certain religious affiliated organisations will be objecting in the coming days.

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Postby JE Menon » 10 Jun 2015 21:49

Rakesh wrote:
DheerajG wrote:Myanmar denies Indian Army killing rebels in its territory, says military ops were carried out on Indian side of the border : NDTV

https://twitter.com/ndtv/status/608670909101187072

Plausible Deniability :mrgreen:



And also contradictory, considering the following:
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Zaw Htay, director of the office of Myanmar President Thein Sein, confirmed Wednesday that Indian troops had entered his country. He said that there was “coordination and cooperation” between the Indian troops and Myanmar’s armed forces based in the area of the raids, but added that no Myanmar soldiers were directly involved.

“We will never allow or support insurgents, whether [they are] against Myanmar or against our neighboring countries,” Mr. Zaw Htay added.

From here: http://www.wsj.com/articles/indian-army ... 1433927858
___________________________________________

Our media have not picked up on the above yet. They will.

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Postby Singha » 10 Jun 2015 21:55

sanjaykumar, already emails of HR abuses and reign of terror let loose by IA in manipur to create insurgents are flying around.
markandey katju has posted one such mail in fb.

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby chaanakya » 10 Jun 2015 21:59

Philip wrote:Now I think people will understand my crying in the wilderness,like a Biblical prophet for aeons about the need to have COIN aircraft under IA control,along with the attack helos.These can be swiftly out into action by the IA without having to get the IAF's cooperation losing valuable time in which to prosecute the enemy. A mention was made of our special forces which famously rescued over 200 Indian UN peacekeeping troops in Africa ,who were surrounded,fighting their way out of trouble for almost 100km(?),using our MI-35 gunships,which also carry troops. This was a true "shock and awe" sensation to the other firang troops also part of the UN force and the Brits copied our tactics later on to rescue their own boys.



The current dispensation is Dharmic in disposition and aligned to truly national interest. Hence , NaMo would have learnt lessons from this Ops and may be we will see a Rapid reaction Counter Insurgency Strike force with its own COIN aircraft and I hope COIN Satellite in LEO orbit and beaming live thermal images to Situation room or Ops room.

I hope your idea gets passed on to them.

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Postby Amitabh » 10 Jun 2015 22:06

ramana wrote:Amitabh, Don't spoil the occasion by bringing inconsequential actions by UPA.
Its not the same thing.

This is a landmark event.


Its akin to the Pravin Swami article about role of MEA in this action.

The risks and shooting was taken by the Army and IAF.
And this fool gives MEA credit.

When Myanmar already had a treaty with India to prevent cross border terrorists and all they needed was being informed where does MEA become the prime focus except in a fevered mind?

Ramana, Swami clearly stated that the MEA "helped" the armed forces, so I did not read his article as taking credit away from the forces.

But he does reveal that Myanmar gave permission for the operation, which then brings into question the issue of how landmark the operation really is, and whether -- PR spin aside -- it actually marks a new doctrine. In fact it seems to be entirely consistent with the 2010 agreement between India and Myanmar. There is no doubt that this was a bold decision, but it doesn't seem to be a new doctrine if Myanmar permission was secured first.

In fact Myanmar recently carried out an air strike in Chinese territory. I don't watch Myanmarese social media, but I doubt if they triumphantly claimed that Myanmar was sending a tough message to its northern neighbour.

Anyway, no point belabouring this: we will find out at some point whether Modi/Doval are planning raids into PoK, Pindi or Ar Raqqah.

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby sudeepj » 10 Jun 2015 22:07

Singha wrote:the disaster which was india's past policy wrt nagaland is seen in this photo...KSCN(K) cadres in their camp 13 km from dimapur bearing all weapons, celebrating the naga republic day in 2010! "ceasefire" does not mean you let the bandits run the place with all their weapons!

http://e-pao.net/GP.asp?src=14..220310.mar10

and their boss in myanmar
https://zhonah.files.wordpress.com/2012 ... aplang.jpg


Khaplang was tolerated when the main threat was NSCN(IM). The Khaplang and IM groups are from different tribes there that dont get along very well. Now IM are tired of being exiles and tired of fighting and old, but Khaplang has grown fat and wants some 'acitivity' and is probably feeling left out after IM were co-opted. So he is pulling these stunts. Rest assured, the (K) outfit will have been thoroughly infiltrated in its R&R years.

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby sanjaykumar » 10 Jun 2015 22:19

A mention was made of our special forces which famously rescued over 200 Indian UN peacekeeping troops in Africa ,who were surrounded,fighting their way out of trouble for almost 100km(?),using our MI-35 gunships,which also carry troops. This was a true "shock and awe" sensation to the other firang troops also part of the UN force and the Brits copied our tactics later on to rescue their own boys.


Do you have a reference, Phillip?

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Postby Gus » 10 Jun 2015 22:21

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby Hari Seldon » 10 Jun 2015 22:22

Fully expect 'retaliation' from the terrorshits side. Letting this pass will seriously undermine their authority/fear among NE locals, you see.

* Twitter had something on a bomb blast in Manipur today morning with no casualities reported. I'm sure more will follow. Also, the enemy's intel is not to be underestimated, assisted as it is by dlagon, khan and who not.

* Slight tangent but I do recall a case from a few yrs where a retired paramiltary gent was denied a Canadian visa on account of his past ops against terrorshits in Punjab in the 80s and 90s... Be sure that the hyooman rites hullabaloo will be directed towards such nefarious ends as well...

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Postby member_22733 » 10 Jun 2015 22:25

As they say in umrika: "$hit just got real". We have climbed the escalation ladder.

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby Prem » 10 Jun 2015 22:27

Amitabh wrote:
Singha wrote:the disaster which was india's past policy wrt nagaland is seen in this photo...KSCN(K) cadres in their camp 13 km from dimapur bearing all weapons, celebrating the naga republic day in 2010! "ceasefire" does not mean you let the bandits run the place with all their weapons!
Yes Singha, ceasefire also means lowest levels of violence and killings in recent years:
(What a disaster for people who enjoy conflict).


Absence of violence do not mean peace or end of warfare for territorial integrity.
This argument is similar to once i had from Dhimmi that islamists, Jihadis did not rape Grand Ma , only the daughters, mother and sisters so deal is possible with reasonable them.

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby ramana » 10 Jun 2015 22:35

Even Bharati Jain of TOIlet says its shift in GOI policy.
Also gives reasons as two-fold:

- lift morale of troops after the Manipur ambush
- Send message for perpetrators where ever they are.


Judging by the hyper reaction from TSP the message was received in the correct quarters.


--Aside:

Rathore is doing the role LKA did in 1998 after the POKII tests.

Lets see if TSP takes the bait or lies low.


Congress is cautioning Govt. Passing inaction as wise counsel!!!

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby Rahul M » 10 Jun 2015 22:40

sanjaykumar wrote:A mention was made of our special forces which famously rescued over 200 Indian UN peacekeeping troops in Africa ,who were surrounded,fighting their way out of trouble for almost 100km(?),using our MI-35 gunships,which also carry troops. This was a true "shock and awe" sensation to the other firang troops also part of the UN force and the Brits copied our tactics later on to rescue their own boys.


Do you have a reference, Phillip?

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/other-unamsil-opkhukri.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Khukri

great movie material right there.

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Re: Joint Army/IAF Anti-Terrorist Cross Border Op into Myanm

Postby tsarkar » 10 Jun 2015 22:47

Sid, was it you who posted some 8 or 10 numbered points many years ago on the cycle of problems in the NE? It was concise yet informative. Maybe you can re-post the same for the benefit of others.


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