Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 10 Jun 2015 03:41

Many more of these are needed. India is still asking soldiers to fight with both arms tied behind their backs - the hope is that one or two of these well-publicized blows will convince the majority of the adventurist desperadoes to go back to their villages and try to get jobs. But after the massacre of soldiers in the Manipur attack, there is no question of **NOT*** retaliating, and the swift and precise retaliation shows that there is enough intel with the govt. to massacre the whole bunch, any time. This is the message that must be broadcast all over the NE along with opportunity and a functioning bureaucracy and justice system.
Be ready for the Other Side to come out. Even as I type, Christianne Amanpour, Moni Basu, Arundhoti etc will be heading out there to stand ankle deep in the blood of innocents raped for 1000 hours by 700,000 Indian troops in the camps during those 20- minute raids. The children brutally bayoneted. The old men and women executed on their knees. All because they dared to ask for fair treatment from the yindootva-dominated Delhi guvrmand of idol-worshippers. If no children, wimmens etc were killed, well, they are going to be killed, disembowelled probaby, in time for the Wild Bunch to come and report.

I would much prefer to see a 100 Paki terrorist camps pulverized with 100% fatalities, tactical nukes if needed. A few PLA generals' palaces blown up along with their skyscrapers. This business in NE is tragic, ultimately it is Indians killing each other, with the war being fought mostly inside Indian territory. Shame that we cannot hammer those really responsible for the continuing state of conflict, such as the PLA, the MachineGun Evangelists, the Mullah Jarnails and the Marxist Comrade netas. And the corrupt Babus and bijnejpeople and polis on "our" side.

All in all, it is great that the Indian kids came back safe and sound. Becoz u c, a few days ago, the Other Side was celebrating:

Whole Convoy burnt, 18 of **THEM** killed, not one of **OUR** comrades even wounded. Superlative Special Comrades Mission!

. And now most of those herrows are dead, maybe some captured and hanging upside down somewhere. At the end of the day, whether they or anyone else liked it or not, they are/were Indian citizens, Indian-born.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 10 Jun 2015 05:02

What's interesting is the intercepts between the MSS/PLA intel and these insurgent groups. Shows that we've been eves dropping on their communications for some time and that the attack on the army convoy was at least indirectly connected to them. The Chinese need to feel a pinch too. Doubtful that a few of their guys were present in the camp otherwise this would have been a huge boon for us.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 10 Jun 2015 05:33

Alert5 has tweeted Indian Army indeed used Mi35 helicopters only

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Jun 2015 05:59

IndraD wrote:

Thirty minutes, from ‘insertion’ to ‘kill’ to ‘out’. Forty of India’s toughest fighting men, commandos from the elite 21 Para (Special Force) Regiment, in two teams. Russian-made Mi-35 attack helicopters of the Indian Air Force. Two rebel camps, four km deep in Myanmar. Both destroyed with surgical precision and extreme prejudice.
A similar number were said to be injured, and the others were scattered by the ferocity of the attack that involved use of the machine guns mounted on the Mi-35s. These guns fire the heavy and incredibly powerful 12.7 mm round at the mind-boggling rate of about 4,000 rounds a minute, what is referred to as ‘hosepipe’ in army slang. Little survives such firepower, and in Myanmar early on Tuesday, little did

The camp close to Noklak was a Khaplang base, sources said. “It is suspected that top leaders of the Khaplang faction including Starson Lamkang (the self-styled finance minister, or ‘kilonser’) may have been at the camp,” sources said. Lamkang is believed to be involved in the June 4 ambush that was claimed by the NSCN (K). The outfit had in March ended the ceasefire with the Indian government
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 56716.aspx

Must take time out to compliment the use of proper language and emotion in describing what was done. I like it.

"Badla" is essential and Manmohan Sonia Singhs napunsak shrivelled balls policy was could never be good for the country or its armed forces. We need to admire our army much more for killing enemies as for dying for the country.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 10 Jun 2015 06:05

Rajyavardhan Singh Rathore lauds army operation in Myanmar, says it is beginning.

Minister of State for Information & Broadcasting Rajyavardhan Singh Rathore today lauded the Army operation in Myanmar and said Prime Minister Narendra Modi had ordered "hot pursuit" in which two rebel camps were completely annihilated.

He said that the surgical strike inside Myanmar was an "unprecedented" and "extremelybold" step by the Government. Asserting that attacks on Indians are not acceptable anywhere, the Minister, a former colonel, said that based on effective intelligence, "we will carry out surgical strikes at the place and time of our own choosing".

Asked whether such attacks could be carried out in the western border, he said that "western disturbances will also be equally dealt with".
"Our PM ordered hot pursuit in which two camps were completely annihilated. While the army carried out the strike, helicopters were on standby," he said.

He said the operations today were a message to all such neighbours who harbour terror intentions."Friendship and zero tolerance will go hand in hand. This is a beginning. India is strong. This message should go to everyone," he said.

Stating that the Indian side suffered no casualties in this operation, he said the Army has strong capabilities and "it needed an equally strong leader to take such a bold decision. We will carry out such attacks".

The Minister's statement came after special forces of the army in coordination with the air force today carried out a surgical strike inside Myanmar, killing nearly 20 insurgents of the groups believed to be responsible for the deadly ambush in Manipur that killed 18 soldiers.

Elite commandos of the army went a few kilometers inside the Myanmar territory to destroy two camps of insurgents hiding there after
their attacks in Manipur and Arunachal Pradesh last week by NSCN(K) and KYKL outfits.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Jun 2015 06:06

partha wrote: Her question:
YOU {not WE}had complete support of Myanmar army and govt?

Good catch.

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Jun 2015 06:26

^^ So glad my vote has not been wasted and i got to read such news articles about India in my lifetime!

Now a few such articles after some PoK adventures will be the icing.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Jun 2015 06:36

more details from TOI today:

- NSA had camped in Manipur for 4 days to plan this. thats why he dropped off PM's BD trip..he has past experience in the region
- foreign secy had made a quiet visit to rangoon last week
- UAVs were used for recce
- Op started at 3am and lasted *13 hrs* so not a quick in and out thing, they mopped up and must have collected intel and any HNI prisoners..ground columns on our side could have done a anvil and hammer thing with the Mi35s and UAVs looking out for bands of escapees
- our rangoon ambassador west across to formally inform the myanmar foreign ministry when it opened in the morning.

quite a bad omen for various bandits camped near out borders..some of the kamatipur and meghalaya bandits deserve a good smashing next. mostly they hide in india itself or contiguous area of bhutan and BD....we need to clean these serpents out.

Ankit Desai · Post by **Ankit Desai** » 10 Jun 2015 06:44

More and More info on 21 para will be appreciated. Please keep them coming. There must be something in the unit to be chosen over other SF units for the operation. Is it Bharat's SEAL 6 ?

-Ankit

niran · Post by **niran** » 10 Jun 2015 06:47

LokeshC wrote:I guess we knew that they did not have MANPADs and the helos were safe. Wondering where the next rung of escalation is? There will be an escalation since we have indirectly punched the dlagon.

The NSCN are now squeezed between the dlagon PLA and IA.

it was before dawn strike sir most vulnerable time to be attacked you are sleeping and suddenly find yourself holding your bed mate head and the next moment you are blown up not enough time to pull out even your dick and dare the attackers let alone booting up the manpads

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Jun 2015 06:57

Ankit Desai wrote:More and More info on 21 para will be appreciated. Please keep them coming. There must be something in the unit to be chosen over other SF units for the operation. Is it Bharat's SEAL 6 ?

-Ankit

Maybe because they are the unit specialised in "jungle warfare" and posted in NE?

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 10 Jun 2015 06:59

Mi 35's cannot transport much, if there were 50+ targets on the ground, there would be a significant number of Paras on the ground to cut any one escaping the air assault. Unless it was primarily and air assault mission, but I would think not. What makes most sense is for both Mi 17 and Mi 35's to do their respective roles of tactical lift and tactical strike, to achieve this type of a mission with fire power, intelligence and sufficient assets on the ground.

I do not see how just mi 35's would do it? Any ideas, unless the paras crossed the border on ground.

partha · Post by **partha** » 10 Jun 2015 07:05

Singha wrote:more details from TOI today:

- NSA had camped in Manipur for 4 days to plan this. thats why he dropped off PM's BD trip..he has past experience in the region

My thought too. It seems like Doval's experience in that region came in handy. According to TOIlet, our intel operatives crossed border and came back with precise co-ordinates of the terror camps for the operation. We have built a solid base of informants in the north east over the decades. It's great to see India flex its muscles once in a while. It sucks to be a soft state.

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 10 Jun 2015 07:11

Some more inputs:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 606239.cms

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 10 Jun 2015 07:13

There goes Manmohan's Nobel piss prize. And I doubt Sonia will be allowed entry into Cedars-Sinai any time soon.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Jun 2015 07:29

since the public response is 100% +ve the MSM are licking their wounds for now.

but wont be long before some HR activists parachute into the jungles to write up stories on the grandmas and kids that were slaughtered.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 10 Jun 2015 07:30

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/ar ... 299796.ece

Army, Assam Rifles kill 50 ‘ultras’

Devesh K. Pandey

print · T T
Operations come after death of 18 in Manipur ambush

In the aftermath of the Manipur ambush last week, Indian agencies said on Tuesday that the Army and the Assam Rifles killed over 50 insurgents in two operations along the India-Myanmar border in Nagaland and Manipur.

Top government sources said most of the killings took place in encounters in Ukhrul and Chandel districts of Manipur.

Along the Nagaland border, eight insurgents are believed to have been killed.

In another incident, three insurgents were reported killed as an improvised explosive device they were carrying went off.

“We are yet to receive the exact details of those killed in the encounters. Operations are still under way,” said a Home Ministry official.

Giving a briefing, the Army said they had engaged two groups of insurgents and “inflicted significant casualties”.

“Specific and credible intelligence was received about further attacks that were being planned within our territory… Early this morning, the Indian Army engaged two separate groups of insurgents along the Indo-Myanmar border at two locations, along the Nagaland and Manipur borders,” Major-General Ranbir Singh, Additional Director-General, Military Operations, said.

Though Army officials refused to give specific details, informed sources said special forces were likely to have been deployed.

While Army officials declined to say if the operations were carried out across the border in Myanmar, they said they were in “communication with Myanmar authorities on this matter” and expect such cooperation in the “future too”.

Intelligence agencies believe that 25-27 militants had carried out the Manipur ambush, which claimed the lives of 18 soldiers from the 6 Dogra regiment. After the attack, they headed to hideouts in Myanmar.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Jun 2015 08:15

abhishek_sharma wrote:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHG9DVeWsAAEwX4.jpg:large

Man Aman Chhina ‏@manaman_chhina 2m2 minutes ago
One of the first pics of the special forces team which took part in the cross border raid in Myanmar.
@IndianExpress

Brilliant

Note SDRE ALH!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Jun 2015 08:17

Demo video of heliborne spl ops
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCvRUJu_mG0

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 Jun 2015 08:17

Great news. By the way, is it okay to make the identity of these soldiers public by releasing this fotu?

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 10 Jun 2015 08:24

Looks like the message has not reached paki satan. Yawn still does not have any reporting on the matter

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 10 Jun 2015 08:28

Rahul M wrote:
vaibhav.n wrote:21 Para SF........Waghnakhs. True to their name!!
a little background to the unit plz, for the uninitiated. 21 SF was one of the specialized ones, right ?

21 Para SF was the first SF unit to be created outside of first three SF units of Indian Army i.e. 1, 9 and 10 Para Commando. 21 Maratha Light Infantry (MLI) was chosen for mass conversion to SF. Now you know where that 'Wagh-Nakha' (means Tiger Claw) comes from! Same weapon used by Shivaji Maharaj against Afzal Khan.

Unit permanent location is in Jorhat, Assam. It helps that Jorhat is also an IAF base with An-32 squadron. Part of the initial plan to have specialized unit for jungle warfare.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Jun 2015 08:32

Guddu wrote:Looks like the message has not reached paki satan. Yawn still does not have any reporting on the matter

Waiting to see what ISI says before opening their holes.

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Jun 2015 08:32

^^ Reg the pic, the guys look exhausted but guess the thrill of a successful mission keeps them so fresh!!

partha · Post by **partha** » 10 Jun 2015 08:34

sum wrote:^^ Reg the pic, the guys look exhausted but guess the thrill of a successful mission keeps them so fresh!!

One report said they had to crawl several miles inside Burma.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Jun 2015 08:41

sum wrote:^^ Reg the pic, the guys look exhausted but guess the thrill of a successful mission keeps them so fresh!!

Well with the napunsak Manmonia Congress "shrivelled balls" doctrine it was like employing an artist and then paying him to stay caged up in a room, unseen, unheard.

These young men have the flush of having been allowed to do their job and they have done it well. Look how happy and proud the IAF guys appear as well.
~~Mogambo khush hua..~~ Brings tears of joy to me..

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Jun 2015 08:43

Jhujar wrote:Dawood will be shifting his Khatiya every night now.He most probably see Doval reflecting in every nook and corner of Pakiland. It will long before we get the pleasure of watching Mota Saeed on Pakimediapediashedia?

How many LPDs can dock at Chabahar and how long is the sail from Karvar?

What i needed is a Doval mask like they had for NaMo last year.

Will make all the bad guys in Pakistan tremble.

their mummies will put them to sleep saying "warna Doval Kha Jayege!"

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Jun 2015 08:45

From Vilaya

Please point out this difference between cong and BJP on media:

GREEN PART IS UPA TIME ANSWER BLAMING ARMY ITSELF

WHILE RED PART IS BJP GOVT'S POTENT AND SMASHING RESPONSE TO ENEMIES !!!

Also here for some background: note pessimistic tone about coordination

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... 55207.aspx

Quote:
Those killed were mostly in their 20s and 30s, hailing from Jammu and Kashmir and Himachal Pradesh. Their bodies will be sent home in the next couple of days.

“The Khaplang group wants to show its relevance after two senior rebels broke away. When it broke off a ceasefire with the Centre in March, the breakaway group inked a pact with the government. Security forces have been attacked over six times since,” said a senior official.
Former army chief General Deepak Kapoor said there could be no kneejerk reaction to the deadly ambush as the army had refined its Northeast strategy over a long period of time. “Some drills and procedures may not have been appropriately followed. Such things can happen if you let your guard down,” he added.

Didn't NaMo just return from Indi-Chini Bhai-Bhai?

Quote:
Days after the deadly attack in Manipur’s Chandel district, it is now emerging that India gave Myanmar phone intercepts and location details of at least two officials from the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA), who were reportedly in touch with the top leadership of insurgent group, NSCN-Khaplang, suspected to be behind the killing of 18 Armymen. Officials said the information was shared two months ago, and that the matter would be taken up with Myanmar again. According to a senior government official, the insurgent group, which abrogated its ceasefire pact with the Centre in March this year, did so following instructions from the PLA. The meeting was held in New Delhi on April 10-11. It was attended by Ministry of External Affairs, Union Home Ministry and officials from Myanmar. “We held a meeting with our Myanmar counterparts in April this year and handed over intercepts of phone conversations between two PLA officials and Khaplang, the leader of the insurgent group. In the said intercept, the Chinese PLA official asks SS Khaplang about his health, tells him to relax and asks him to learn Chinese language,” a senior government official said. Sources said that officials also took up the issue of “opium cultivation and trade” being done by insurgent groups like NSCN-Khaplang, ULFA and KLO in Myanmar’s Kachin province. “The insurgent groups are running transport business and opium trade in Myanmar and we have even handed over their photographs,” the official said, quoting intelligence inputs and adding that leader of the hardline faction of ULFA, Paresh Baruah, also convinced Khaplang to snap the ceasefire agreement with Centre. He further claimed that Baruah, too, was acting on instructions from some senior officials of PLA. Khaplang and Baruah are believed to often shuttle between Taga (Myanmar) and Ruili and Kunming — both in China’s Yunnan province — and are reportedly in regular touch with Chinese officials. Intelligence inputs also suggested that a former officer of PLA has set up a factory of assault rifles in Myanmar’s Kachin province and a majority of the arms produced there are being supplied to militants of the Northeast, including NSCN-Khaplang. The official said that the arms manufacturing unit is located at Pangwa, along the Sino-Myanmarese border, and has been set up by a former PLA officer, Muk Yan Pau Huan, along with former leader of Burmese Communist Party, Tin Ying.

Don't know why he is in vanvas after 2014 elections.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 10 Jun 2015 08:50

One of the first pics of the special forces team which took part in the cross border raid in Myanmar.
@IndianExpress

Ho Ho, they look like they are from all over India. That's as important as, to use an Americanism, justice.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Jun 2015 08:52

Spinster says:

We must take this opportunity to make a short film like (PT 109 glorifying JFK,) about the the heroes of this ops all IAF IA PMO ME Diplomatic corps how they plan cope operate when the Political leadership clear and courageous enough to give free hand to protect the country.

It will be a commercial success whose proceeds could go to build health care facilities to the families who lost near and dear.

I want the Naxals and the CPM be also casterated especially they way the treated BSF in chattisgarh operations

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 10 Jun 2015 09:00

India TV
‏@indiatvnews
NSA Ajit Doval skipped PM Modi’s Dhaka trip to plan cross-border operation in Myanmar

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 10 Jun 2015 09:04

abhishek_sharma wrote:India TV
‏@indiatvnews
NSA Ajit Doval skipped PM Modi’s Dhaka trip to plan cross-border operation in Myanmar

Pakis will worry every time Doval is not with NaMo.

srin · Post by **srin** » 10 Jun 2015 09:06

abhishek_sharma wrote:
Man Aman Chhina ‏@manaman_chhina 2m2 minutes ago
One of the first pics of the special forces team which took part in the cross border raid in Myanmar.
@IndianExpress

isn't that a IA Dhruv ? All reports so far have mentioned IAF helos - either Mi-35 or Mi-17.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 10 Jun 2015 09:09

If the news of employing Mi-35 is correct, do people realize what it means?

It means that few Mi-35 (anywhere between 4 to 6 - 2/3 per target) were AIR-LIFTED all the way from western sector for this Ops. These assets are based in Suratgarh and Pathankot for anti-armor operations. It means some C-17 crews have been keeping a busy schedule. But most important, the decision to hit back came pretty quickly - no more than 48 hours after the ambush on 6 Dogra troops. It ain't a piece of cake to move these beasts from one part of the country to another.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Jun 2015 09:23

^ yes I noted that but chose not speak of it, lest it rouse the ire of the anti-C17 lobby....rotors have to be dismantled since the Mi24 does not have folding rotor....

I wish the army had some 108 Rudra's in that sector...versatile beast , small, quiet....

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Jun 2015 09:27

some of the team look like tibetans or definitely mizo/naga.

china has this nasty habit of entertaining foreign leaders and then giving a kick/slap when he is there or just left to 'show them their place'

everyone wearing a ski mask or face cloth would have been more interesting for the whole intimidation thing..hard to imagine such a friendly looking band of uncles walked across to scalp 50 heads...

Amitabh · Post by **Amitabh** » 10 Jun 2015 09:31

Hats off to SF, but if you think there is any message for the western border you must be smoking strong stuff.

Indian forces have crossed the Myanmar (and Bhutan) border on several occasions in the past, only not announced it to the world via an "eloquent" Rajyavardhan Rathore!

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 10 Jun 2015 09:35

>>is it Bharat's SEAL 6

No, as mentioned through the thread, it's 21 Para. Please start to think this way.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Jun 2015 09:35

the 1995 thing smacks of deft sabotage by nai dilli elements under instructions from foreign capitals....

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 10 Jun 2015 09:41

it was announced, "to the world", by Addl. DGMO Maj.Gen Ranbir Singh (not Randhir as I mentioned earlier). Retd. Col. Rathore only articulated the policy in his way. And there's no concern, once a cross border op is carried out into Pakistan, the Indian Express will duly report that it was done many times before too.