Arun.prabhu wrote:Germany and France aren't better off either. They have an army, an Air Force and a navy on paper, but in reality aren't worth a damn. Better to fight the long battle and do everything in house ourselves in increments. These fantasies of foreign partners who will magically help us out of the kindness of their hearts is pure rubbish.
There have been successful joint ventures in the past. The LRSAM/Barak 8 between India and Israel is one. The BrahMos program between India and Russia is another. Development of an aircraft platform is a different ballgame all together and prior joint ventures have crashed and burned, i.e. the IL-276 and PAK-FA are good examples.
UK is looking for a financial partner. There is no other incentive for them to rope any nation in otherwise. And that will have its pitfalls.
And I am not advocating that we should jump into either one. But if the UK is planning to offer India a chance to join their program, the French and Germans may not be too far behind. And if India had to choose the viability between the UK program and the Franco-German one, the latter has a far greater chance of succeeding. Also, massa will decide (for the UK) how much cooperation and how much the door should be opened for India. Remember the JETJWG committee? Started off with great promise, but fizzled out.
Take a look at any major UK weapon system and you will see significant foreign (usually Massa) tech in there.
Queen Elizabeth Class aircraft carrier --> embarks the F-35B as her main strike component
Vanguard Class SSBN ---> carries the Trident II D5 SLBM as its strategic deterrent
Astute Class SSN ---> carries the Tomahawk Block IV cruise missile
Daring Class DDG ---> carries the Harpoon anti-ship missile
Army Air Corps ---> operates the AH-64 Apache
All maasa tech / platforms. For the UK to develop any of these systems on her own, would make them prohibitively expensive to acquire. Now compare that to the French Military for example...
Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier ---> embarks the Rafale M as her main strike component
Triomphant Class SSBN ---> carries the M45 and M51 SLBM as its strategic deterrent
Rubis Class SSN ---> carries the Exocet AShM and the upcoming Barracuda Class will carry the SCALP naval cruise missile
Horizon Class DDG ---> carries the Exocet anti-ship missile
French Army Light Aviation - operates the Eurocopter Tiger
No one is arguing for or against the viability of their (France & Germany) military. That is neither here nor there. Who has the more viable defence industry, which in turn will result in a successful product? That is the key point. And all those products listed above in the French military are proven in combat, with the exception of the M45 and M51 SLBM (and thank goodness for that). The US products work just as well and in some respects, perhaps better. But at least the French have independence. The UK cannot even sneeze without massa's permission.
And with Brexit, the UK basically gave the EU the middle finger. But the EU is having the last laugh.
Brexit is a mess and the UK is now regretting the decision. The EU cannot wait for them to leave.
India is wise to stay far *AWAY
* from the Tempest program. Minefield!