Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby member_24684 » 26 Mar 2016 08:03

In a first, @Rostec_Russia is plugging 280km range Iskander-E at DefExpo2016. Missile can strike moving targets, which Brahmos cannot.


https://twitter.com/vkthakur/status/713560620872962048


strange ..then how can the Brahmos strikes warships sailing at the speed of 30 knots, can anyone enlighten me ..!!
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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby member_24684 » 26 Mar 2016 08:04

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from Saurav Jha

Two @DRDO_India developed Pinaka MBRL regiments are operational. 2 more are on order & 6 more have been cleared by the DAC.

Those 6 more regiments will get CCS clearance this year. At least 14 Pinaka regiments are projected in the medium term.

18-20 launchers per Pinaka regiment. Rocket numbers are classified.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Cybaru » 26 Mar 2016 08:29

That is friggin awesome news man! Pinaka 2 will be a super hit at this rate. Any chance they use modified pulse motors on those as well to push out even further? IA doesn't need to call in the air cavalry with Pinaka's and LCH in numbers.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Gyan » 26 Mar 2016 10:44

Army has been dragging its feet on ordering additional Pinaka Launchers since One decade. Actual contracts for Pinaka Regiments after the first two are still to be signed.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby John » 26 Mar 2016 16:16

SajeevJino wrote:
In a first, @Rostec_Russia is plugging 280km range Iskander-E at DefExpo2016. Missile can strike moving targets, which Brahmos cannot.


https://twitter.com/vkthakur/status/713560620872962048


strange ..then how can the Brahmos strikes warships sailing at the speed of 30 knots, can anyone enlighten me ..!!

Iskander uses EO which is better at identifying ground targets compared to radar based seeker. Unlike the sea there may be multiple similar targets which would be a big change to brahmos and RCS of moving target like a jeep is smaller than even patrol boats.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby rohitvats » 26 Mar 2016 19:48

Gyan wrote:Army has been dragging its feet on ordering additional Pinaka Launchers since One decade. Actual contracts for Pinaka Regiments after the first two are still to be signed.


Do you get a kick by peddling such nonsense and making idiotic claims? Especially, when facts fly in face of your constant stream of BS?

Not many pages back, there was an article that IA had projected requirement of 22 Pinaka regiments. And between current and next plan period, 10 regiments in all will be ordered. Subsequently, balance 12 regiments are most likely to be Pinaka-2 variants.

If you think your constant idiotic claims add any value to discussion, disabuse yourself of the notion.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Gyan » 27 Mar 2016 07:47

Projected reuirements but no contracts for them actually signed or entered beyond first two.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Singha » 27 Mar 2016 09:02

the total neglect of tubed artillery with the farce on n trials, extends to MLRS too...anything which can really hurt TSP was off the table.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby member_28880 » 27 Mar 2016 09:30

Gyan wrote:Projected reuirements but no contracts for them actually signed or entered beyond first two.


Actually IMO there are 3 reg. of pinaka in IA right now, something around 80 in number. L&T and TATA made 40 of each.

I want to clarify myself abt below:

There r 2 reports some few days ago
http://www.defenceupdate.in/ccs-clear-acquisition-two-awacs/
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Big-boost-Army-to-get-ammo-worth-Rs-15000-cr/articleshow/51465947.cms

First one says "The CCS chaired by Prime Minister Narendra Modi also approved a proposal for induction of the fourth regiment of supersonic cruise missile Brahmos and two more of Pinaka rocket "

and the 2nd one says"The two projects headed for CCS nod are for two more Pinaka MLRS regiments for 3,300 crore"


so what is the difference between "CCS approved" and "headed for CCS" . Is it not just an anomaly
Is "CCS approved"!= "Cleared by CCS"?
Thanks in advance!!
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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby uddu » 27 Mar 2016 11:00

Gyan is right in those aspect that very limited number of Pinaka regiments are raised. Not 2 but mostly 3-4 regiments totaling 80 launchers and associated equipment.
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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Gyan » 27 Mar 2016 12:17

Unfortunately there is some confusion in the "Grammar" of some news reports which assume that 40 launchers each were ordered on L&T and TATAs but sad reality is that only 20 launchers each were ordered totaling 40 for two regiments. My conspiracy theory is that Pinaka is being screwed by Grad upgrade and Smerch Import lobby. What has happened to Pinaka-III which was direct competitor to Smerch? Why no action on Prahaar which can take on some roles, of super costly Fake JV Brahmos?

Ever wonder why Army is not interested in FICV of either DRDO or to award Make In India contract to a Pvt Sector Company? Because upgrade deal of BMP is being pushed for many years whose cost would be equivalent to a new FICV.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby uddu » 27 Mar 2016 13:42

May be. Same is said by Saurav Jha that there are two already inducted and two regiments under induction and six more ordered.
I got the three regiment number from here
http://defence-blog.com/news/india-to-b ... stems.html

Possibly the initial order was for 2+2. After the first 2 the last 2 were held up for some reason. May be to see how the Mark-II will perform. So that last 2 now under induction and 6 more ordered. So total 10 regiments of Pinaka we could expect to see before 2020. Hope the work on Mark-III with longer range has started. We may need another 10 regiments to completely replace the older ones in service.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Shanu » 27 Mar 2016 18:28

According to one interview by L&T Defence unit head, there are altogether 22 Pinaka regiments planned. And in the current 2012-17 plan period, upto 10 Pinaka regiments will be ordered, 4 approved by CCS and 6 with DAC approval. Now CCS is expected to give the go-ahead for the 6 regiments by 2017.

In thenext plan period of 2017-22, the remaining 12 regiments are expected to see approval. At least that is what the L&T guy believes. The actual order will, of course depend on the level of intent and cash available with the incumbent GoI of that period.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby srai » 27 Mar 2016 18:48

How many rocket artillery regiments are there in total in the IA? What's the total planned under artillery reorganization and expansion? That would put 22 planned Pinaka regiments in perspective.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Karan M » 27 Mar 2016 19:19

OFB was struggling to make the ammo for even the first few regiments. So further orders need to be kept in context.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby dinesha » 27 Mar 2016 19:25

Washington 'worried' over India missile test
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/03/26 ... ssile-Agni
The United States has expressed concern over India’s recent test-launch of a ballistic missile capable of carrying nuclear warheads.

India successfully fired a nuclear-capable K-4 ballistic missile from a submerged platform in the Bay of Bengal earlier in March.

"We are concerned by any nuclear and missile developments that could potentially increase the risk to nuclear security risk or lower the threshold for nuclear use," US State Department spokesman Mark Toner was quoted as saying by NDTV on Friday.


"So we continue to urge all states with nuclear weapons to exercise restraint regarding their missile and nuclear capabilities," he added.

The 10-meter missile with a weight of 20 tons has a reported range of up to 3,500 kilometers (2,174 miles) and can carry a payload of more than 2,000 kilogram (4,400 pounds).

According to Toner, Washington has raised its concerns with India over New Delhi’s missile program and the effect it may have on the security of the region.

"I do not want to get into specifics of our bilateral conversations with India, but we have long encouraged efforts to promote confidence building, stability, and discourage any actions that might destabilize the region," he had said earlier.

India conducted another test in mid-December, firing an Agni-I missile from a mobile launcher on the Abdul Kalam Island, located approximately 150 kilometers from Bhubaneshwar, the capital of the eastern state of Odisha.

The 15-meter-long Agni-I is capable of carrying warheads weighing more than 1,000 kilograms.

In January last year, India tested an Agni-V missile, its longest-range nuclear-capable ballistic missile with the capacity to strike China and Europe.

The 17-meter-long intercontinental ballistic missile has a range of more than 5,000 kilometers (3,100 miles).

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby uddu » 27 Mar 2016 19:40

18 Ballistic missile submarines, Around 5000 nuclear weapons that can destroy the world multiple times storing nuclear weapons world over and proliferating them to their allies and with disastrous nuclear safety norms with multiple nuclear subs sunk deep beneath with nuclear weapons planes dropping bombs over their own cities while in flight and getting saved because of sheer luck. With a first use policy against any nation and the one nation that dropped nuclear weapons on Nagasaki and Hiroshima need to be concerned about themselves before stepping out to lecture others.
Aint it high time for the U.S and their allies to bring down the number of nuclear weapons to few hundreds?

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Karan M » 27 Mar 2016 19:54

^^ Ha! Looks like Karnad was right. And NaMo govt finally said heck with it and went ahead.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby sum » 28 Mar 2016 04:03

^^ But the A-5 test of 1st week of March didnt happen. So guess part of the pressure seems to have worked

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Viv S » 28 Mar 2016 04:23

sum wrote:^^ But the A-5 test of 1st week of March didnt happen. So guess part of the pressure seems to have worked

Its more likely to have been delayed on technical grounds. India hasn't invested all this time and resources to just scrap the program; tests are inevitable. That's something the USG/SD knows as well, being more bothered with the North Korean and Iranian programs.

With respect to India, they'll provide the minimum level of meaningless lip-service required when prodded by the media, but aren't stupid enough to expend valuable political capital by trying to actually do something about it, an exercise in futility.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Cosmo_R » 28 Mar 2016 04:25

Viv S wrote:
sum wrote:^^ But the A-5 test of 1st week of March didnt happen. So guess part of the pressure seems to have worked

Its more likely to have been delayed on technical grounds. India hasn't invested all this time and resources to just scrap the program; tests are inevitable. That's something the USG/SD knows as well, being more bothered with the North Korean and Iranian programs.

With respect to India, they'll provide the minimum level of vague lip-service required when prodded by the media, but aren't stupid enough to expend valuable political capital by trying to actually do something about it, an exercise in futility.


Exactly!

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Austin » 28 Mar 2016 14:01

Four Countries Negotiating Purchase of Russian-Indian BrahMos Missiles

http://sputniknews.com/science/20160328 ... z44BlZp1WQ

"Defense export is a very sensitive subject, we cannot say much without permission of our governments. However, I can say that currently consultations are being held with four foreign countries," Mishra told RIA Novosti during the Defexpo India 2016.

Russian-Indian PAK FA May Be Armed With BrahMos Cruise Missiles

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/2016032 ... z44Blmf1Zg

We are presenting BrahMos to many Indian public and private defense companies, from some of them we get a technical job. We presented it also to developers of the FGFA — they asked to adjust the size of the missile, so it can be placed on board the aircraft. Such work is ongoing," Mishra told RIA Novosti during the exhibition Defexpo India 2016.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby rohitvats » 29 Mar 2016 08:18

Gyan wrote:Projected reuirements but no contracts for them actually signed or entered beyond first two.


And who is to blame for lack of orders? Army or MOD?

When the IA has projected a Defense Plan wise requirement, why does MOD and CCS take time to clear the deals? And if IA was against Pinaka, why would 6 more regiments get cleared now?

Can you show a single bad press about Pinaka where Army has criticized any aspect of the system?

Fact of the matter is this - all you do is peddle conspiracy theories w/o any iota of proof to back them up. After all, talk is cheap...and we have many geniuses on BRF who happily lap up these BS theories.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby rohitvats » 29 Mar 2016 08:26

Gyan wrote:<SNIP>My conspiracy theory is that Pinaka is being screwed by Grad upgrade and Smerch Import lobby. What has happened to Pinaka-III which was direct competitor to Smerch? Why no action on Prahaar which can take on some roles, of super costly Fake JV Brahmos?

Ever wonder why Army is not interested in FICV of either DRDO or to award Make In India contract to a Pvt Sector Company? Because upgrade deal of BMP is being pushed for many years whose cost would be equivalent to a new FICV.


Your conspiracy theories would make some sense if you made at least some effort to think through them...and not pull them out of your Musharraf!

Can you point to single data-point which shows that IA is interested in more Smerch units beyond three regiments? When all the news points to the fact that beyond 10 regiments of Pinaka-1, IA will get Pinaka-2. And longer ranged versions will evolve from Pinaka-2.

As for GRAD upgrade - the upgrade is in form of newer trucks/platforms. Unless, your argument is that we throw away what is working w/o having replacement in place just to satisfy your 'patriotic' feelings.

And on the FICV front - the whole FICV concept and pushing for private participation has come because of the IA. It is MOD which sat on the FICV tendering for donkey years. And has now woken up under MP. Again, look up the timeline for induction of FICV - should BMP-2 fleet be simply allowed to rot till WHOLE of it can be replaced by FICV?

Thank goodness we don't have planners in Services like you or the whole thing would've gone to dogs!

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby rohitvats » 29 Mar 2016 08:29

srai wrote:How many rocket artillery regiments are there in total in the IA? What's the total planned under artillery reorganization and expansion? That would put 22 planned Pinaka regiments in perspective.


Grand total of 5 GRAD Regiments + 3 x Smerch + 2 x Pinaka.

- GRAD has been upgraded with new trucks. Will be phased out in favor of Pinaka.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby srai » 29 Mar 2016 09:25

^^^

Thanks. Then that's one major expansion!

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Kanson » 29 Mar 2016 10:22

srai wrote:
Prem Kumar wrote:Sorry if this sounds ignorant. But what exact benefit does the QRSAM or LLQRSAM offer that the Akash doesn't? Isn't Akash somewhere between an SRSAM and an MRSAM + mobile?

Even for the Navy, if Barak-8's min engagement envelope is very low, what's the need for a new missile type? Is it for ships which will not have the Barak installed?


Low-level Quick Reaction Missile (LLQRM) are designed more specifically to take on terrain-hugging cruise missiles (and possibly other low-flying aircraft) that show up on the radars much closer to their intended targets. The reaction time for defensive system is not much. They need to have reaction time (detection/lock-on/firing) of less than 5-10 seconds. I think Akash's reaction time is around 10-15 seconds.

Secondly, the LLQRM needs to be able to intercept targets flying very very low (less than 30 meters [100 feet]). The minimum engagement height of Akash is around 30 meters. To increase effectiveness, LLQRM would need to have some of its sensor assets on a aerostat-type of platform with look-down radars.

As far as Navy goes, Barak-8 will be installed on larger platforms, such as destroyers, frigates and aircraft carriers, with long-ranged sensors. SRSAM would be installed on smaller-sized ships i.e. corvettes. Like Barak-8, they would also need to be able to intercept sea-skimming anti-ship missiles. Due to its smaller footprint, SRSAM could also double up on destroyers and frigates as secondary SAM system.


I guess, if I'm not wrong, that figure is for SA-6 not Akash. Further it is always said it can engage targets flying at the height of tree top + there is a live demo of the such low level engagement by Akash in utube. No exact figures are released for Akash SAM, to my knowledge.

In my view, not much difference between Akash/Akash 2 and proposed import. Otherwise, you wont hear such statements from DRDO/Army. But where they may score is in compactness ( more missile per vehicle than Akash) and lesser reaction time(that needs to field tested to attest such claims are ture practically).

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com.br/2015/ ... t-4-5.html
2nd Feb 15
Similarly, the army says that, with the supply of DRDO’s Akash and Akash-2 surface-to-air missile, they are dropping the planned import of a short-range surface-to-air-missile (SR-SAM).


PS: QRSAM and SRSAM are meant for different requirements for Indian Army. But specs wise both are more or less same.
SRSAM for Navy is quite different.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Kanson » 29 Mar 2016 10:32

dinesha wrote:Washington 'worried' over India missile test
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/03/26 ... ssile-Agni
The United States has expressed concern over India’s recent test-launch of a ballistic missile capable of carrying nuclear warheads.

India successfully fired a nuclear-capable K-4 ballistic missile from a submerged platform in the Bay of Bengal earlier in March.

"We are concerned by any nuclear and missile developments that could potentially increase the risk to nuclear security risk or lower the threshold for nuclear use," US State Department spokesman Mark Toner was quoted as saying by NDTV on Friday.


"So we continue to urge all states with nuclear weapons to exercise restraint regarding their missile and nuclear capabilities," he added.

The 10-meter missile with a weight of 20 tons has a reported range of up to 3,500 kilometers (2,174 miles) and can carry a payload of more than 2,000 kilogram (4,400 pounds).

According to Toner, Washington has raised its concerns with India over New Delhi’s missile program and the effect it may have on the security of the region.

"I do not want to get into specifics of our bilateral conversations with India, but we have long encouraged efforts to promote confidence building, stability, and discourage any actions that might destabilize the region," he had said earlier.

India conducted another test in mid-December, firing an Agni-I missile from a mobile launcher on the Abdul Kalam Island, located approximately 150 kilometers from Bhubaneshwar, the capital of the eastern state of Odisha.

The 15-meter-long Agni-I is capable of carrying warheads weighing more than 1,000 kilograms.

In January last year, India tested an Agni-V missile, its longest-range nuclear-capable ballistic missile with the capacity to strike China and Europe.

The 17-meter-long intercontinental ballistic missile has a range of more than 5,000 kilometers (3,100 miles).


Another useless attention seeking drama from NDTV. 'News traders' is the right description.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby srai » 29 Mar 2016 11:37

Kanson,

Regarding minimum engagement height, it is not in the open to my knowledge as well. I was going by the validation trials where 30m was mentioned. It is possible it could intercept targets lower than that.

Indian Army completes Akash missile validation trials
19 June 2014
...
The Indian Army has carried out the final validation trial of the first off production models of the Akash supersonic missile from the Integrated Test Range (ITR), Balasore, Odisha, India.

During the trial, the domestically built medium-range anti-aircraft missile successfully intercepted the very small and fast-moving unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), Banshee, at 30m altitude above sea level, confirming the system's capability against subsonic cruise missiles.

While the low flying target was continuously tracked throughout its course by the missile's advanced multi-function radar, the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO)-built special algorithms / techniques for overcoming the multiple target reflections coming from the sea worked perfectly in the mission.

The successful trial delivers the surface-to-air missile for induction into the army.
...

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Kanson » 29 Mar 2016 11:45

^ Yes. Repeated statements I could recall from officials is that it can engage targets flying at tree-top level height. Thanks for the tidbit.

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Further this gives some perspective on Akash and SRSAM. (Note: SRSAM of IA & (possibly IAF) is different from IN SRSAM)

http://www.livefistdefence.com/2015/02/ ... ce-in.html

The SR-SAM programme was all but sunk last year when the Indian Air Force said the Indian Akash SAM it deployed was sufficient for the short range air defence role, and that it didn't feel the need for a separate SR-SAM. The Akash SAM being a DRDO success means the latter is now perceived to have little or no incentive to partner with MBDA on the SR-SAM, but simply to continue working on the Akash and extend its range and capabilities for an anticipated Mk.2 version that the IAF and Indian Army are reportedly keen on.

Anticipating that situation, MBDA opened discussions late last year with DRDO, offering that the proposed SR-SAM, could be, in effect the Akash Mk.2 in terms of capability. The Akash SAM in service sports a range of 25-km, while the proposed SR-SAM is intended to hit targets out to a maximum of 40-km. It isn't clear just yet what the DRDO will choose to do. At any rate, the success of the Akash programme, and a rare public show of satisfaction from the forces gives DRDO more options, though the time factor could be key in a decision going forward.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby srai » 29 Mar 2016 12:21

Yep, naval SR-SAM is different. They require a more compact missile along with the ability to intercept sea-skimming ASMs. Nowadays, the trend is to convert AAM into a SR-SAM.

Initial plans were to try to lump together a tri-service missile akin to Trishul LLQRM. But with the advent of missiles and sensors reaching out further, "short-range" has extended to what used to be "medium-range" territory at 30km+. Akash was originally developed as a MR-SAM but now fits into this new definition of SR-SAM. There were no plans for navalized Akash, even in the original IGMDP plans.

It is likely navy's SR-SAM will be converted into a LLQRM for the IAF/IA at some point.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Austin » 29 Mar 2016 16:44

DRDO working on Star Wars-like weapons

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 577689.cms

The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is already tom-tomming its ongoing development of a 10-kilowatt DEW against UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle) like targets, with "the establishment of critical technologies of precision tracking/pointing and laser beam combination".

The "system" has been tested up to a range of 800 meters at its Hyderabad-based Centre for High Energy Systems and Sciences (CHESS), and was also demonstrated to the armed forces at the Terminal Ballistics Research Laboratory's firing range at Ramgarh (Haryana) in September last year.


The DRDO's Laser Science & Technology Centre is working on an array of systems from "chemical oxygen iodine lasers" to "high-power fiber lasers" for st-rategic uses, which includes a 25-kilowatt laser to take on a ballistic missile du-ring its "terminal phase" at a distance of 5-7 km.


All this has gained momentum after the government in February 2014 sanctioned Rs 115 crore for de-velopment of "experimental technology modules for directed energy laser syst-ems" by CHESS, with the project completion date being set for July 2017.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby brar_w » 29 Mar 2016 16:56

Taking out a ballistic missile in its terminal phase, with a 25-killowatt laser at a distance of 5-7 km? Poor reporting I guess.
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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby mody » 29 Mar 2016 17:13

For the Pinaka-II, are only the rockets modified or the launchers are also different?
If its only the rockets, then the launchers of Pinaka-I can also fire the new rockets, maybe with minor modifications.
The rocket dia is to remain the same at 230 mm, don't know about the length.

Also, reports about tests of Pinaka-II have been coming since past 2-3 years and all tests have been declared as successful. It would seem the system is almost ready for induction. If so, why not order the MK-II for the 6 additional regiments, that are pending DAC approval?

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby sudeepj » 29 Mar 2016 18:05

IIRC, the Pinaka II rocket uses 'case bonded' propellant, which gives it the longer range with the same dimensions as the Pinaka I.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby srai » 29 Mar 2016 18:34

brar_w wrote:Taking out a ballistic missile in its terminal phase, with a 25-killowatt laser at a distance of 5-7 km? Poor reporting I guess.


They may be talking about smaller artillery rockets 122mm/244mm/300mm.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby srai » 29 Mar 2016 18:56

Kanson wrote:... Repeated statements I could recall from officials is that it can engage targets flying at tree-top level height. ...

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I guess "tree-top height" would be open to interpretation :wink:

Here are some tallest trees in India (from yahoo answers):

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1. Eucalyptus - height of more than 300 feet.
2. Teak - height of about 30 meter.
3. Arjuna - height reaches upto 60 -85 feet.
4. Indian Rosewood - height of 25 meter and 2-3 meter in diameter.
5. Sal Tree - up to 30 meter high.
6. Cork Tree - grows up to 25 meter.


So 30m (or 100ft) minimum altitude engagement of Akash would generally fit that definition of "tree-top level height".

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby brar_w » 29 Mar 2016 19:31

srai wrote:
brar_w wrote:Taking out a ballistic missile in its terminal phase, with a 25-killowatt laser at a distance of 5-7 km? Poor reporting I guess.


They may be talking about smaller artillery rockets 122mm/244mm/300mm.


Probably. Terminal ballistic missile defense using a DEW is impractical for some very obvious reasons. Even that aside, SHORAAD DEW against an incoming RV is a non-starter. Your not going to get a chance to destroy a hardened RV, that is purpose designed to survive atmosphere re-entry in the few seconds it gets you and that too from the ground where the challenges of shooting something at altitude are enormous. You aren't going to get altitude coverage by basing a DEW on the ground so even if they get a more powerful DEW, altitude challenges would still exist. The only legitimate approaches to adopting DEW's in ABM systems is to shoot them down in the boost phase, and to deploy them in space (which may also be impractical).

Thats why I said its just poor reporting.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby sankum » 29 Mar 2016 20:47

Akash mk2 with 50km range under development.

UCAV Ghatak project awaits PMO’s nod

DRDO is also working on an advanced version of Akash (Akash NG) which will have a maximum strike capability of up to 50 km.



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