Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby AdityaM » 16 Oct 2016 04:23

So an S400 with a 300km+ range is MTCR kosher since the payload is less than 500kg.

But then Brahmos payload is also less than 500kg, then why was range constraint applied to it.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby krishna_krishna » 16 Oct 2016 06:34

I agree with few posts above, the intent was there since S300 purchase days but money and we wanted our own program. What we later found out was we need not just one homegrown system we need a layered defence approach for a higher probability of kill.

That is why there was intent on buying Israeli arrow system with massa shooting down the proposal claiming it uses their IP (they applied big pressure). Hence the only reliable option for sale from a depdenent source. There is also urgency to give big danda to pakandi's with they claimin clown jewels and herbal bector nasr rocket. We say that bring on whatever you can we will absorb it, get up and dust off shit but you will be wiped out.

Indian homegrown system is no way dead, its just we will compliment it with S400.(Evil baniya jugaads)

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby krishna_krishna » 16 Oct 2016 06:37

Aditya you are missing point. S400 does not have capability to carry n warhead,MTCR applies to system that can be used to carry n warheads big difference

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Gyan » 16 Oct 2016 14:28

Imports being contemplated:-

Mapads or VSHORADS

SRSAM, QRSAM

LRSAM, MRSAM is Barak-8

S-400

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Kartik » 18 Oct 2016 02:18

And now the Russians show some real interest since they lack this kind of a weapon on their fleet of Sukhois. I assume that means orders for Brahmos Aerospace in India, with some of the developmental and testing costs being passed along to the Russians?


Russia may buy BrahMos cruise missiles for Su-30SM fighters — source

KUBINKA (Moscow region), September 7. /TASS/. The Russian military are interested in buying the BrahMos cruise missiles, which were developed jointly with India, for equipping its Sukhoi Su-30SM fighters, a military-diplomatic source told TASS on Wednesday.

"The new missile strike system - a plane plus a missile - will be first of all made operational with the Indian Air Force. After that the Russian Air Force, which is very interested, may buy the system," the source said at the Army 2016 forum.

He added that the negotiations with the Russian side might begin in 2017 after flights tests of the Indian Su-30MKI fighters with the BrahMos missile are completed.

TASS has no official confirmation of the report.

The Indian Air Force fighter with a demonstrator of the BrahMos missile’s air-launched version performed the first flight in summer 2016. The first aircraft launches of the missile are expected to take place before the year end. India plans to equip three regiments of the Su-30MKI fighters with the updated missiles. The Indian military currently have in service the missile’s ground and sea-launched versions.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby John » 18 Oct 2016 02:53

Kartik wrote:And now the Russians show some real interest since they lack this kind of a weapon on their fleet of Sukhois. I assume that means orders for Brahmos Aerospace in India, with some of the developmental and testing costs being passed along to the Russians?


Russians have always displayed interest but never come thru with any major purchase order because they have oniks (domestic variant of Yakont) and half dozen supersonic missiles. Why pay more for Brahmos when they get something almost similar at much lower tag. As for air launched Brahmos, they also have air launched Yakhont, Moskit and Klub. This interest is just a PR piece, highly unlikely Russians would ever buy air launched Brahmos.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Karthik S » 18 Oct 2016 03:41

Any news on test firing of Nirbhay? Read somewhere that it has been scheduled in Oct this year.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Kartik » 18 Oct 2016 03:55

John wrote:
Kartik wrote:And now the Russians show some real interest since they lack this kind of a weapon on their fleet of Sukhois. I assume that means orders for Brahmos Aerospace in India, with some of the developmental and testing costs being passed along to the Russians?


Russians have always displayed interest but never come thru with any major purchase order because they have oniks (domestic variant of Yakont) and half dozen supersonic missiles. Why pay more for Brahmos when they get something almost similar at much lower tag. As for air launched Brahmos, they also have air launched Yakhont, Moskit and Klub. This interest is just a PR piece, highly unlikely Russians would ever buy air launched Brahmos.


This is specifically for the Su-30SM fleet, of which the RuAF has already inducted quite a few and has committed to purchasing more. AFAIK, this is the first time that there is news of any serious Russian interest in the Brahmos. Previously it has been India that has chased them around, asking them to purchase the weapon as well.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Aditya_V » 18 Oct 2016 12:57

There is a major shift in the 10 years- Russians at first had no interest in Su-30, no interest Mig 29K, theen inducted them once the Indians had started inducting them. Lets see whether they order the air launched Brahmos. Previously the Soviets would hand over/ sell us stuff which had inducted a long time like Mig 21/23/25/27 etc.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Kashi » 18 Oct 2016 13:35

Aditya_V wrote:There is a major shift in the 10 years- Russians at first had no interest in Su-30, no interest Mig 29K, theen inducted them once the Indians had started inducting them. Lets see whether they order the air launched Brahmos. Previously the Soviets would hand over/ sell us stuff which had inducted a long time like Mig 21/23/25/27 etc.


Now they wait for us to iron out the kinks in their short-of-fully-developed platforms.

We have effectively become beta-testers for Roosi maal except that we are paying through the nose for beta-versions of their stuff and we don't even have meaningful transfer of technology to show for it.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Aditya_V » 18 Oct 2016 13:41

Not necessarily, with respect to Su-30 and Brahmos integration we have developed a lot of in house capability and Design. It was the HAL design to the SU-30MKI undercarriage t o carry Brahmos. The TOT has not helped us as much as promised but has moved our capability light years above what it was in 2000.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby soumik » 19 Oct 2016 06:35

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/mtcr-benefit-india-russia-to-develop-600-km-range-cruise-missiles-that-can-cover-entire-pakistan/articleshow/54926916.cms

600km Range Brahmos Missiles coming, this will be another gamechanger in the subcontinent

1)Makes our Navy ship for ship the most potent force in Asia.
2)Gives us the capability to hit any target across Pakistan within 12-15 mins
3)Gives us a long reach into Tibet.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Singha » 19 Oct 2016 07:19

probably the weapon always had enough size of fuel tank for 600k, but maybe a software limited or a smaller fuel tank was fitted for 300k limitation.

but I doubt it will be able to do 600k at low level, at low level the 300k range drops to 100k, so by same yardstick would be 200k lo-lo-lo which is still a formidable standoff attack capability against the hardest targets .... for the rest it can be hi-hi-lo.

even the uber SM6 SAM is capable of targeting low flying fighter type targets at 150k and the rest are way behind something like 50k max.

so other than massa, this weapon should be able to intimidate anyone.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Karthik S » 19 Oct 2016 07:23

Our ships will be probably having the best offensive and defensive weapons combo in BrahMos and Barak 8. We need to try to increase the armament capacity in our destroyers.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Singha » 19 Oct 2016 07:42

i think shivalik and p15x are right sized for now... we do not as yet have the carrier power to take the fight into the south cheen sea against the PLANAF/PLAAF combined weight (even massa is only now putting in place NIC-FA or whatever to support its carrier aviation for that)

when the time comes we can scale things up to 72 barak8 silos and probably delete the heavy brahmos load on some ships.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Karthik S » 19 Oct 2016 07:55

They are of right size, but p15 series could have had 24+48 load out for its size.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby brar_w » 19 Oct 2016 08:02

NIFCCA is just the current mature iterative version of a much older concept of CEC. It captures the improvement in weapons, data-links, sensors, and computing to modernize the capability the they have had for some time now.

http://www.jhuapl.edu/techdigest/td/td1604/APLteam.pdf

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Austin » 19 Oct 2016 08:47

soumik wrote:http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/mtcr-benefit-india-russia-to-develop-600-km-range-cruise-missiles-that-can-cover-entire-pakistan/articleshow/54926916.cms

600km Range Brahmos Missiles coming, this will be another gamechanger in the subcontinent

1)Makes our Navy ship for ship the most potent force in Asia.
2)Gives us the capability to hit any target across Pakistan within 12-15 mins
3)Gives us a long reach into Tibet.


Nice , so media is just confirming what is known to BRF for some time.

600 km range will be covered in less than 6 minutes which gives it capability to attack in almosr real time if good intelligence is available and the range covers most of Pakistan from land based platform and with Su-30 gives it's 600 km stand off range.

We can even hit their TEL in near real time with the precision brahmos blk 2 & 3 has demonstrated.

I suspect DRDO has already tested these ranges hence they mentioned it in their presentation now they can do that over overtly.

If they reduces the warhead to say 150-200 kg compared to current 300 kg they will get a much higher range and the kinetic capability of missile can still do a lot of damage , even a 500 pound warhead can do a lot of damage to even hardened pushrods target if you get a cep of 1 or less

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby John » 19 Oct 2016 08:51

Karthik S wrote:They are of right size, but p15 series could have had 24+48 load out for its size.


24 Brahmos (each Brahmos + canister is around 4 tons) that is quite a lot of weight that is equivalent to 72 TLAM in terms of weight you need much larger vessel to carry that kinda of payload.

As for range to squeeze out any range more than 300 km it has to fly hi and hi and no terminal maneuvering all which greatly increases the chances of it getting shot down. Ashm are typically quoted with max ranges that includes terminal maneuvering and hi-lo or lo-lo flight profile. Saddam for example turned 50 km ranged silkworm missiles into 200km+ ranged missile. Even Moskit is quoted to have 500 km max range. So speculating about Brahmos max range is bit pointless since almost every Anti shipping missile range can be increased well beyond its advertised range.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Austin » 19 Oct 2016 08:56

Singha wrote:probably the weapon always had enough size of fuel tank for 600k, but maybe a software limited or a smaller fuel tank was fitted for 300k limitation.


It's just a software lock that restricts ranges , changing other things like fuel tank will impact the CG unless they add ballast to it which is not the case.

From onyx profile we know that 500- 600km plus is hi hi dive trajectory , 300-350 is hi low trajectory and 150-200 km is low low trajectory.

Drdo mentioned Brahmos can fly as low as 5 M

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Austin » 19 Oct 2016 09:03

John wrote:
As for range to squeeze out any range more than 300 km it has to fly hi and hi and no terminal maneuvering all which greatly increases the chances of it getting shot down.


Let some one demonstrate something flying at 18 km at speed of Mach 2.8+ and having average RCS of not more than 0.4 m and more reduction if ram treatment is applied and follows a dynamic & variable trajectory in flight profile with its own intelligence and range of more than 500 km and flight time of less than 6 min , I will most certainly bow to such system if that exist.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Singha » 19 Oct 2016 09:21

^^ Shourya :)

my vision of using Shourya as a carrier vehicle to release n x AAM sized KVs at a height of 100kft over a target region some 1000km away stands. OTH radar to detect the large flying objects in the rear like tankers, transports and awacs ... the speed of shourya can cover this distance in no time and the KV will be usual solid fuel AAM with mach4 top speed and 30-60 sec dual pulse burn time.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby SSridhar » 19 Oct 2016 09:30

Austin wrote:I suspect DRDO has already tested these ranges hence they mentioned it in their presentation now they can do that over overtly.

Did not DRDO say a few years back that after integration of satellite navigation system similar to those used in KH-101 & 555, the range of the BrahMos is now extended to 500 Kms and also made it a strategic missile?

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Sid » 19 Oct 2016 09:45

So technically it's now mini version of Shaurya SSM, but with much more versatile role.

It's feels good to upgrade complete inventory overnight with double range at no extra cost 8) :mrgreen:

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Gyan » 19 Oct 2016 09:53

As a normal thumb rule, the range of ramjet missile is 3 times a similar sized conventional missile. Hence range of Brahmos and Shaurya should be similar (except in the profile when Shaurya goes out of the atmosphere).

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Austin » 20 Oct 2016 12:29

1st test of air-launched Brahmos in Dec. Missile 2 b tweaked as carrier-killer.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/brah ... 91087.html

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Indian and Russian missile scientists are now tweaking a formidable capability into the air-launched Brahmos supersonic cruise missile: an ability to shatter airaircraft carriers from extended ranges.


The first test of the air-launched Brahmos is to be conducted in the Bay of Bengal sometime in December this year. A derelict naval warship is to be hit by a Brahmos launched from a specially modified Su-30MKI.

The December test window follows the successful integration and drop test of a Brahmos missile from a modified Su-30MKI at HAL, Nashik on June 25.

The test will hit the warship target at an angle of 65 degrees and destroy it. But this capability would not enough to stop an aircraft carrier of over 60,000 tonnes. "Carriers have sealable compartments designed to survive multiple hits from anti-ship missiles," one missile scientist says. This is where Phase 2 of the Brahmos missile test comes in next year-fitting a modified radar seeker on the missile that can lock onto a moving aircraft carrier and plunge onto its decks in a near 90-degree death dive. The deck of a large aircraft carrier-nearly 300 metres long and 75 metres wide-presents the largest available target for a homing cruise missile's radar seeker.

"The sheer kinetic energy of the missile travelling at nearly three times the speed of sound and the high explosive warhead will destroy the aircraft carrier," a scientist says. This development comes amidst reports of China's aircraft carrier programme. China inducted a refurbished Sovietbuild aircraft carrier, the 67,000-tonne Liaoning, in 2012. It is building two aircraft carriers, the first of which photographs leaked onto online forums revealed as a Type 001A aircraft carrier being built in China's Dalian shipyard. The first carrier, with a displacement estimated at between 60,000 and 70,000 tonnes, is likely to be inducted into the PLA Navy by 2020. China has claimed to have modified its DF-21D medium range ballistic missiles into antiship ballistic missiles (ASBMs). The capability was developed specifically to target US aircraft carriers from ground-based launchers over 1700-km away.

Naval analysts say it is still early days before India can field a similar carrier-killing capability. "The missile has to tick a number of boxes before it can be called a carrier killer," says former navy chief Admiral Arun Prakash (retired). "The missile has to be able to acquire the carrier over 300 km away, escape radar jamming from its target and, finally, home in on the target and destroy it."

Brahmos scientists say they are confident of meeting all these challenges.

Some of these capabilities, they say, were demonstrated in a very significant test of the Brahmos in May 2015. A Brahmos missile launcher was airlifted by an IAF C-17 Globemaster III to the Andaman islands. A surface-to-surface version of the missile was fired and successfully hit a target on an island nearly 300 km away. The missile navigated through a series of waypoints before hitting the target within a 5-metre circular error probable (CEP).

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Aditya G » 20 Oct 2016 13:14

Can the missile be tuned for a ballistic or semi ballistic mode?

Austin wrote:
Singha wrote:probably the weapon always had enough size of fuel tank for 600k, but maybe a software limited or a smaller fuel tank was fitted for 300k limitation.


It's just a software lock that restricts ranges , changing other things like fuel tank will impact the CG unless they add ballast to it which is not the case.

From onyx profile we know that 500- 600km plus is hi hi dive trajectory , 300-350 is hi low trajectory and 150-200 km is low low trajectory.

Drdo mentioned Brahmos can fly as low as 5 M

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby ranjan.rao » 20 Oct 2016 19:20

Some of these capabilities, they say, were demonstrated in a very significant test of the Brahmos in May 2015. A Brahmos missile launcher was airlifted by an IAF C-17 Globemaster III to the Andaman islands. A surface-to-surface version of the missile was fired and successfully hit a target on an island nearly 300 km away. The missile navigated through a series of waypoints before hitting the target within a 5-metre circular error probable (CEP).


It does not have the pin point accuracy that raad offers over 700KM..poor russians and indians are way behind our taller than mountain enemies..

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby John » 20 Oct 2016 21:08

Austin wrote:
John wrote:
As for range to squeeze out any range more than 300 km it has to fly hi and hi and no terminal maneuvering all which greatly increases the chances of it getting shot down.


Let some one demonstrate something flying at 18 km at speed of Mach 2.8+ and having average RCS of not more than 0.4 m and more reduction if ram treatment is applied and follows a dynamic & variable trajectory in flight profile with its own intelligence and range of more than 500 km and flight time of less than 6 min , I will most certainly bow to such system if that exist.

As already mentioned by others Shaurya, IMO its far better to modify that as carrier killer than Brahmos since there are few systems capable of defending against the latter. For example in recent interview Israeli naval chief mentioned he his 100% confident Barak-8 can deal with large salvo of Yakhont targeting Israeli oil installation (much harder to defend than a moving ship since even shrapnel from a exploding missile can causing facility to go up so you need to fully intercept and kill it at a safe range). In other hand very few things that can counter a Mach 6+ maneuvering missile.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby ramana » 20 Oct 2016 22:10

I think both the Brahmos and the Shourya need to be developed as Area Denial weapons.
The Shourya for long range and Brahmos for near range.
The RM cannot shy away from developing these to appease US.
PLAN is going gang busters for carriers.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby shiv » 20 Oct 2016 22:45

ranjan.rao wrote:
Some of these capabilities, they say, were demonstrated in a very significant test of the Brahmos in May 2015. A Brahmos missile launcher was airlifted by an IAF C-17 Globemaster III to the Andaman islands. A surface-to-surface version of the missile was fired and successfully hit a target on an island nearly 300 km away. The missile navigated through a series of waypoints before hitting the target within a 5-metre circular error probable (CEP).


It does not have the pin point accuracy that raad offers over 700KM..poor russians and indians are way behind our taller than mountain enemies..

Too true. 5 meters at 300 km is "Hindu accuracy" of a narrow and dark vegetarian type.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby ranjan.rao » 20 Oct 2016 22:53

Shiv, agreed..the problem is I see many people reading it on wiki and then quoting the same in discussions with me ...that oh they are way ahead of us in cruise missile technology..they have cruise missiles in production for so many years...we have so many problems blah blah ..look at nirbhay..we couldnt have done Brahmos without russian blessings and what not....

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Postby shiv » 20 Oct 2016 23:01

ranjan.rao wrote:Shiv, agreed..the problem is I see many people reading it on wiki and then quoting the same in discussions with me ...that oh they are way ahead of us in cruise missile technology..they have cruise missiles in production for so many years...we have so many problems blah blah ..look at nirbhay..we couldnt have done Brahmos without russian blessings and what not....

I would love to write a detailed reply but it is not for this thread. It is however a problem that has been created by - and I am going to say something here that BRFites will agree but the outside world will think we are crazy. It is a problem created by a country that is itself a psychiatric case. The best description I got is from brfite LokeshC - Gaslighting

As the Wiki link says they are narcissists and sociopaths who make others doubt themselves.

This is a unique case in the history of the world. People will generally say I am crazy for saying such things - but people like to think that pakistan is normal

When you force yourself to think that Pakistan is normal because a nation cannot be abnormal, you are then forced to believe all the stories they make up and forced to imagine that your own stuff is deficient in comparison

Will stop here because it is totally OT

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby maxratul » 20 Oct 2016 23:31

Isnt Shourya the land based tech demo of the K4 slbm that was never meant to be operational? Apologies in advance if I am confused.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby ramana » 21 Oct 2016 00:20

So KaranM and Indranil, Recall that tender for concrete penetration simulations for HSLD, looks like they are complete.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby ramana » 21 Oct 2016 00:21

Kakarat, Thanks. After the false start with the Sudarshan, this kit looks very good. Hope it gets made in quantity.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Bheeshma » 21 Oct 2016 01:02

The brahmos CEP is 1.5 m at 300 km if I remember.
http://www.military-today.com/missiles/brahmos.htm

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby sudhan » 21 Oct 2016 02:58

maxratul wrote:Isnt Shourya the land based tech demo of the K4 slbm that was never meant to be operational? Apologies in advance if I am confused.


Shourya is the land version of K-15 Sagarika.

K4 is the rough naval counter part of Agni 3.

Neither K15 nor K4 are plain tech demonstrators. Not sure about the govts plan for Shourya though.

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Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion - June'14

Postby Indranil » 21 Oct 2016 04:09

ramana wrote:So KaranM and Indranil, Recall that tender for concrete penetration simulations for HSLD, looks like they are complete.

Oh! They lifted the skirt only a little bit. They are on the second generation of most of these designs. What you are seeing here is the kit for the HSLD (1000lb) bombs which has a diameter of 360 mm. They have also shown us a glimpse of Garuthma: a kit for a 2000 lb bomb of 450 mm. Both of these have a 30 km range. They have both been tested multiple times with pinpoint accuracy. Now, they are working on a 60 km version of Garuthma.
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Similarly, we came to know of SAAW after it had been flight tested.
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They are already working on the next generation of SAAW.
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Then there is Gaaruda which is a winged kit for a 2000lb bomb with a 100 km range. None of know how it looks. That will only be revealed once the skirt is lifted beyond the knees.


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