LCA Tejas: News and Discussions

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 19 Jan 2016 21:56

LCA Tejas promo

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sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 19 Jan 2016 21:57

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 19 Jan 2016 21:57

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 19 Jan 2016 21:58

sooraj · Post by **sooraj** » 19 Jan 2016 21:59

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Jan 2016 22:00

So 1 Test Pilot + 2 back up for each plane for the airshow?
Add one detachment overall in charge.

Total 7 Test Pilots.

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 19 Jan 2016 22:02

No JF-17 then? Pity.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Jan 2016 22:19

it will be on static show so should arrive tomorrow latest.

Bharadwaj · Post by **Bharadwaj** » 19 Jan 2016 22:24

The bandaar was missing from the latest list of confirmed participants?

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 19 Jan 2016 22:30

Some positives from the 2nd giant pic. The support & ground staff (in grey overalls) have Indic flag arm patches as well. Most of them are in uniform (except the gent who is behind the aircraft near the air intakes) which signify a sense of discipline & professionalism.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Jan 2016 22:31

Singha wrote:it will be on static show so should arrive tomorrow latest.

Are Pakis worried about India capturing radar signature of the bandars?

UK used to do that regularly for Soviet era aircraft at the Farnborough show.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 19 Jan 2016 22:45

We do not have radar in BAhrein.

Viv S · Post by **Viv S** » 19 Jan 2016 22:46

Singha wrote:it will be on static show so should arrive tomorrow latest.

The designated space (to the right of the Tejas) is still unoccupied, so lets hope so. In all honesty, I'll be disappointed if it doesn't show. Should make for some great pictures.

member_23370 · Post by **member_23370** » 19 Jan 2016 22:46

Why pity? Like pakis they were scared and did down hill skiing.

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 19 Jan 2016 22:47

ramana wrote:So 1 Test Pilot + 2 back up for each plane for the airshow? Add one detachment overall in charge. Total 7 Test Pilots.

#2 and #7 from left are wearing Navigator/Flight Engineer half wings, possibly from the transport aircraft.

Bharadwaj · Post by **Bharadwaj** » 19 Jan 2016 22:51

I read somewhere that the participant deposit for the air show is non refundable.... The Pakis must really be spooked if they are leaving the money and running.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Jan 2016 22:54

tsarkar, That makes sense 5 Test Pilots and the other two pilots.

disha · Post by **disha** » 19 Jan 2016 22:57

Two questions from the latest Tejas fotus:

1. What is the trapezoidal fin on the spine of the aircraft for? I tried to search BRF discussions all the way to 2013., but must have missed the discussions on that.

2. The 'cabin-air-scoop-for-cooling-and-oxygen-generator' (what it is called?) under the rudder is now a smooth hump instead of an open-box seen in Leh trials. Is it to make sure that a bird does not end up in cabin (maybe as fresh food

) and/or to reduced radar reflectivity.

Bharadwaj · Post by **Bharadwaj** » 19 Jan 2016 23:08

disha wrote: 2. The 'cabin-air-scoop-for-cooling-and-oxygen-generator' (what it is called?) under the rudder is now a smooth hump instead of an open-box seen in Leh trials. Is it to make sure that a bird does not end up in cabin (maybe as fresh food ) and/or to reduced radar reflectivity.

More likely to be aero related would be my guess

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 19 Jan 2016 23:36

disha wrote:1. What is the trapezoidal fin on the spine of the aircraft for? I tried to search BRF discussions all the way to 2013., but must have missed the discussions on that.

UHF Blade Antenna

disha wrote:2. The 'cabin-air-scoop-for-cooling-and-oxygen-generator' (what it is called?) under the rudder is now a smooth hump instead of an open-box seen in Leh trials. Is it to make sure that a bird does not end up in cabin (maybe as fresh food ) and/or to reduced radar reflectivity.

It is an air intake for engine cooling. Half of the engine skirt is missing for same reason. Engine heating was observed on the TDs, that did not have such air intakes. So the air intakes were introduced in PV/LSPs. Note that there are two types of intakes on the LSPs at Bahrain

Bharadwaj wrote:More likely to be aero related would be my guess

Anything in an aircraft will obviously be aero related

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 19 Jan 2016 23:46

ramana wrote:tsarkar, That makes sense 5 Test Pilots and the other two pilots.

In the photo, I see 5 pilots and two navigators/flight engineers who're not pilots, hence wearing half wings.

However, not all pilots who've gone to Bahrain might be in that photo. There will be a bunch of Sarang pilots too.

Why no coverage of DRDO AEW&C that is slated to be on static display? Now that has sensors to fingerprint...

Bharadwaj · Post by **Bharadwaj** » 19 Jan 2016 23:52

tsarkar wrote:Anything in an aircraft will obviously be aero related

What i meant was the difference is perhaps down to a more aerodynamically refined configuration.

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 20 Jan 2016 00:03

Yes, it is for reduction of drag.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 20 Jan 2016 01:05

tsarkar, is the heating more because of lo-bypass?

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 20 Jan 2016 01:11

That intake is not just for engine bay cooling. The air from that intake is mixed with the bleed air from the engine to provide air for the environment control systems and the heat exchangers. It has nothing to do with low-bypass. All modern fighter engines are low-bypass turbofans.

nirav · Post by **nirav** » 20 Jan 2016 02:39

It will be great if Team Tejas signs up on BRFata.
Am sure they won't have issues with the No free email policy :p

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Jan 2016 06:40

nirav wrote:It will be great if Team Tejas signs up on BRFata.
Am sure they won't have issues with the No free email policy :p

Not so great for them.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Jan 2016 06:58

imo there are only 2 tejas pilots, rest could be from the C17 and EMB145.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Jan 2016 07:02

https://twitter.com/bahairshow

this is the handle of the airshow, they are putting up pics daily.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Jan 2016 07:10

pdf of the static display area. seems like farnborough is the subcontractor for many such back end work
http://www.bahraininternationalairshow. ... _trade.pdf

^ this was prepared a while back.

the list of confirmed entries has no mention of the JF17. so looks like they cut and run.

http://www.bahraininternationalairshow. ... craft/5_7/

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 20 Jan 2016 07:15

Well it not be production variant of radars for airshows, but a test variant just to capture signatures. I'm sure bhandars were scared.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 20 Jan 2016 07:18

most airshows are done with a couple smokewinders, no payload and 25% fuel...but in 2010 farnborough, the tiffy was flown with a heavy payload

Saik, since aircraft do not fly simultaneously at airshows the risk of airborne sigs be stolen is minimal. none are allowed to bring their portable ground radar for the same.

the real reason (if they indeed do not show up) is the holes and patches in their torn shalwar would be revealed up close and personal to the 30 or so indics roaming around a few feet away...plus it cannot do the kind of display a more agile and less wingloaded ac like tejas or tiffy can

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 20 Jan 2016 07:34

The Chinese said Dont fly my plane (Fighter China 1) FC-1 at the airshow, It will make me look bad in front of of the world compared to the Tejas which performs equal to Eurofighters and the Rafale. And hence no Chinese plane flying at the airshow.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 20 Jan 2016 07:36

The real ones to compare are the Eurofighters and the Rafale and lets see how close our Tejas gets to it in performance after the last modifications. Possibly Tejas will steal the show.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 20 Jan 2016 08:06

Should be compared with eyeropean mmrca competitors. This is one big chance.

Baikul · Post by **Baikul** » 20 Jan 2016 08:25

Zynda wrote:Some positives from the 2nd giant pic. The support & ground staff (in grey overalls) have Indic flag arm patches as well. Most of them are in uniform (except the gent who is behind the aircraft near the air intakes) which signify a sense of discipline & professionalism.

Perhaps you missed the paan eating dhoti clad rubber slipper wearing chief pilot, Bhairav Lal Bairagi from Bangalore, Bihar, standing on one side, scratching his testimonials with his right hand as he balances a spittoon with his left.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 20 Jan 2016 08:54

Baikul wrote:
Zynda wrote:Some positives from the 2nd giant pic. The support & ground staff (in grey overalls) have Indic flag arm patches as well. Most of them are in uniform (except the gent who is behind the aircraft near the air intakes) which signify a sense of discipline & professionalism.
Perhaps you missed the paan eating dhoti clad rubber slipper wearing chief pilot, Bhairav Lal Bairagi from Bangalore, Bihar, standing on one side, scratching his testimonials with his right hand as he balances a spittoon with his left.

LOL and did you see the scooter helmet and chappals?

kvraghav · Post by **kvraghav** » 20 Jan 2016 09:11

So JF-17 would not be participating. They even had a working radar and could have got a good RCS of the Tejas.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 20 Jan 2016 09:12

shiv wrote:
Baikul wrote:<quote="Zynda">Some positives from the 2nd giant pic. The support & ground staff (in grey overalls) have Indic flag arm patches as well. Most of them are in uniform (except the gent who is behind the aircraft near the air intakes) which signify a sense of discipline & professionalism.</quote>

Perhaps you missed the paan eating dhoti clad rubber slipper wearing chief pilot, Bhairav Lal Bairagi from Bangalore, Bihar, standing on one side, scratching his testimonials with his right hand as he balances a spittoon with his left.
LOL and did you see the scooter helmet and chappals?

Having already derailed the thread once during this outing with my shenanigans, I hereby reserve the right to make further "befitting" puns at a time and place of our choosing.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 20 Jan 2016 09:20

kvraghav wrote:So JF-17 would not be participating. They even had a working radar and could have got a good RCS of the Tejas.

Let us not be over enthusiastic. The radar properties of any plane that goes to any show, AI included are well observed. LCA is well observed and the thunder is too. One assumes this sort of information is commercially available and the only reason its not on google is likely because folks sell it.

A plance is as good as the person flying it, until autonomy arrives. The chinese article was never taking part in the display. Not in the original plan. Standing next to a static article would have been H&D hurting. Thats all to it . Bakis would have been good non nato allies and filled up the parking spots if sdre articles werent there. They were doing a favor by supplying a green painted version, one was not needed.

All you want to compare is more than seen at farnborough already. These articles are claimed, the lawn dart included, to not be mass destruction devices. Which puts them in the same class as the isis VBIEDs technically. They terrorise a civilian population. And there are 50+ of them already. No amount of flying at an airshow fixes that.