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Postby Philip » 13 Jan 2016 18:40

Amazing! Locals allowed to send their cattle into the base to graze for just 20 bucks.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 551267.cms
Locals paid Rs 20 to security guards to enter Pathankot base, intelligence agencies say
PTI | Jan 12, 2016,

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Postby shiv » 13 Jan 2016 19:12

Philip wrote:Amazing! Locals allowed to send their cattle into the base to graze for just 20 bucks.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 551267.cms
Locals paid Rs 20 to security guards to enter Pathankot base, intelligence agencies say
PTI | Jan 12, 2016,

If this proves to be false what is needed is a public interest litigation against ToI.

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Postby Karan M » 13 Jan 2016 19:13

^^ Above is a perfect case of Philip recycling old claims as new.
NIA has already rebutted the Rs50 to security guards and other claims. Posted in this very thread.

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Postby ShauryaT » 13 Jan 2016 19:48

Reports that Masood Azhar is in custody.

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Postby saip » 13 Jan 2016 20:29

ShauryaT wrote:Reports that Masood Azhar is in custody.


And they are sending a 'Special team' to Pathankot for joint investigation? The only investigation they will do is to find out what went wrong so that they can plan better for success of future attacks. For 26/11 they arrested Lakvi and nothing came of it. Arrest of the Azhar pig is just an eye wash and nothing will come of it. They want more evidence as the 'evidence given by India is not enough'. Deja vu all over again.

Furthermore an investigation team will be sent to Pathankot airbase for joint investigation regarding the attack.


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Postby member_27581 » 13 Jan 2016 20:52

saip wrote:
ShauryaT wrote:Reports that Masood Azhar is in custody.


And they are sending a 'Special team' to Pathankot for joint investigation? The only investigation they will do is to find out what went wrong so that they can plan better for success of future attacks. For 26/11 they arrested Lakvi and nothing came of it. Arrest of the Azhar pig is just an eye wash and nothing will come of it. They want more evidence as the 'evidence given by India is not enough'. Deja vu all over again.

Furthermore an investigation team will be sent to Pathankot airbase for joint investigation regarding the attack.


Link


Meanwhile
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/No-official-confirmation-on-Jaish-chief-Masood-Azhars-detention-says-India/articleshow/50566583.cms
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Did-Obamas-sting-prompt-Pakistan-to-detain-Jaish-chief-Masood-Azhar/articleshow/50566328.cms

On a different note, being under arrest actually makes it more difficult to take this Masood Pig. Perhaps the F16 stopping of sale may not be independent from the recent attacks. I wouldnt be surprised if our govt has read some riot act to Pakistan and that's why we see a slow but some sort of action. Not to forget that always is an eyewash.

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Postby kulhari » 13 Jan 2016 21:02

Bomb attack at polio vaccination centre kills 15 in Pakistani city of Quetta


Six killed in blast near Pak consulate in Afghanistan

Barabar

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Postby Philip » 13 Jan 2016 21:04

The pig is bejng kept protected for his own safety. As well as being kept quiet not to open his orifice and spill the beans. The Paki pigs are simply stretching the situ ss long as possible until we tire . Remember that after the parliament attack the border standoff lasted a year. Eventually what happened?
India chickened out.They expect the same to happen today.

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Postby member_27581 » 13 Jan 2016 21:11

kulhari wrote:Bomb attack at polio vaccination centre kills 15 in Pakistani city of Quetta


Six killed in blast near Pak consulate in Afghanistan

Barabar

forgot to include the nanha mujahids who will suffer from polio?

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Postby Singha » 13 Jan 2016 21:14

there were a bunch of police who were hit - they are preparing a detail to escort the polio vaccine workers on their rounds.

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Postby ramana » 13 Jan 2016 21:33

Shiv Being in US get to see patronizing talk by those who.want to appear to be on India side.

Also the IA chief news conference vindicates our analysis.

We should think why we saw clearly while others went on bashing?

Philip would like your thoughts.

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Postby KLNMurthy » 13 Jan 2016 21:37

partha wrote:
sum wrote:^^ Didnt get what Bharat Karnad is trying to imply in his article :-?

What has Doval done to all these guys that he is being attacked with such vitreol which even Pakis arent?

This is clearly a hit piece without any analysis. Ajit Doval is being singled out by all and sundry. Even usual Modi detractors ignored Modi and went for Doval this time. Most vocal are those that are part of defence community. Doval might have reduced access to arms lobby which has pissed them off? Whatever it is, Modi and Doval should ignore empty vessels and continue to focus on the larger problems.

My guess is there is an element of jealousy involved. Many of these "haskish" academic types must have felt entitled to some sort of plum position under Modi, like Shourie. When that didn't happen ...

Speaking of "snafu-ridden" and other choice snarks from Karnad, I would love to see with what aplomb and textbook efficiency some of his types would handle a fire or home invasion robbery. I have a pretty good idea what someone like Doval would in that case.

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Postby KLNMurthy » 13 Jan 2016 23:12

shiv wrote:
ramana wrote:C Fair is stating views of the war faction in US.
Also her choice.of words is Orientalist.

American expressions like peanuts, pretzels are translated as mungphali, jalebi...

Akin to British usage of chota peg etc..


LOL! :lol: I was going to make a post about this.

Somehow I get the impression that the reaction of Indians in the US to CFair is different from my own. I find, consistently that my "loyalty and support" to CFair's statements is not echoed and there is always scepticism and hyphenation, and sometimes dismissal. I have not managed to figure out why. Does CFair come across differently for US based folks?

I don't know about others and I don't know how much my view has to do with my being based in the US, but I feel that, despite her obviously refreshing views and analysis, there is something shallow and grating about Christine Fair. She taught herself Urdu but unlike some other female senior US academics that are fluent in Urdu that I am familiar with, she is brash and vulgar about it. It is all somehow like liberated but insecure sheltered white woman meets Indiana Jones meets T.E. Lawrence. I have a problem with all of it. I was especially turned off with her boasting about humiliating a hapless Hyderabadi auto driver, all in comically execrable paki Urdu (which sounds ridiculous to Hyderabadi ears). Then there was all that public carrying on about hot pakjabi afsars, which ended when they put the memsab out in the cold. It is all unbecoming of a serious person with intellectual integrity IMO.

So I guess my judgment of her work is colored by my distaste for her overall persona.

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Postby ramana » 13 Jan 2016 23:19

But I take her work with "neer-ksheera viveka" and use facts and discard chaff.
She represents some in US who are done withe Paki nakre and want India to do their dirty work.

Any military action will expend those Nasrs on India and relieve their angst for loose nooks with jihadis.

this is my current thinking.

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Postby Prem » 14 Jan 2016 04:04

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... =hootsuite
Chinese wireless set found in SP’s car adds twist

DELHI: The NIA feels the recovery of a Chinese wireless set belonging to the terrorists from the car belonging to Gurdaspur SP Salwinder Singh could add a new twist to the investigations. In another development, the anti-terror agency has also ascertained the route taken by terrorists from the point of abduction of SP Punjab to their entry into the airbase on December 31st - January 1.
Sources say that the wireless set, which the terrorists had brought along from Pakistan, had some data which was deleted later by them. The wireless set was stuck under the seat of SP's Mahindra XUV 500 car and was recovered on January 1 by Punjab police.Government officials claimed that the wireless set, which has been sent to CFSL and NTRO for analysis, is similar to the one recovered from the site of attack in Samba, Jammu and Kashmir last year. Source said that the wireless set recovered from SP's car has a batch number which will establish its manufacturing date and place where it was sold.The SP's car was used by militants to reach the Pathankot IAF base. During his questioning, Salwinder Singh denied that the wireless set belonged to him.A search is on inside the IAF base and the area around it to find more wireless sets which terrorists may have used to communicate with each other during the attack or while crossing the border as any other communication networks are often heard by agencies on both sides.The agency's teams are collecting CCTV footage on the route taken by terrorists. NIA teams with Punjab police and local villagers are carrying out searches in the nearby villages on the route taken by the terrorists for evidence left behind by terrorists like clothes, electronic devices.Meanwhile, NIA questioned Sawinder Singh for third consecutive day on Wednesday. Singh is being questioned continuously as there were contradictions in his statements over timing of his abduction and his visit to the shrine in the state.However, sources clarified that they have not found anything as of now to connect Pathankot to any conspiracy.The NIA has also summoned Somraj, caretaker of Panj Peer Dargah in Punjab, which Singh had claimed to have visited before he was kidnapped by terrorists, who attacked the airbase hours later.Somraj will be joining probe on Thursday. The shrine is located a few kilometres from Bamiyal, the village from where the terrorists were suspected to have infiltrated India before mounting the attack.

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Postby ramana » 14 Jan 2016 04:37

India can also ask China about the wireless set mfg and sale data.

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Postby SSridhar » 14 Jan 2016 05:14

Handlers were close to the border: NIA - Vijaita Singh, The Hindu
The Pathankot terrorists walked 1.5 kilometres after abandoning the SUV belonging to police officer Salwinder Singh before they entered the Indian Air Force base by scaling a wall, not far from the main gate, shows a re-enactment of the sequence of events by the National Investigation Agency.

A senior government official told The Hindu that when the terrorists crossed over to India through a riverine stretch, they were probably dressed in civvies and must have changed into Army fatigues. Teams of NIA have been dispatched to all the border villages near the airbase to recover the clothes and any related evidence.

The NIA also suspects that when the terrorists crossed over to India through the riverine stretch in the Bamiyal sector, they were in touch with their handlers through a Chinese-made wireless set. Since the frequency of these sets is generally only along the line of sight, the NIA believes the handlers must have positioned themselves somewhere close to the border.

They [the terrorists] took internal roads of the villages to approach the Pathankot airbase. They abandoned the police officer’s vehicle and went on foot for 1.5 km with heavy arms and ammunition,” said the official.

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Postby sooraj » 14 Jan 2016 06:32

shiv wrote:
Philip wrote:Amazing! Locals allowed to send their cattle into the base to graze for just 20 bucks.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 551267.cms
Locals paid Rs 20 to security guards to enter Pathankot base, intelligence agencies say
PTI | Jan 12, 2016,

If this proves to be false what is needed is a public interest litigation against ToI.


Some mallu newspapers even made that a big headline in front page :x

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Postby Shameek » 14 Jan 2016 06:43

sooraj wrote:Some mallu newspapers even made that a big headline in front page :x


We keep losing the information war as usual. Quite soon this will no longer be an issue about us being attacked. This will become our internal blame game while others laugh at us. Our media really needs to be reined in.

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Postby shiv » 14 Jan 2016 07:11

KLNMurthy wrote:I don't know about others and I don't know how much my view has to do with my being based in the US, but I feel that, despite her obviously refreshing views and analysis, there is something shallow and grating about Christine Fair. She taught herself Urdu but unlike some other female senior US academics that are fluent in Urdu that I am familiar with, she is brash and vulgar about it. It is all somehow like liberated but insecure sheltered white woman meets Indiana Jones meets T.E. Lawrence. I have a problem with all of it. I was especially turned off with her boasting about humiliating a hapless Hyderabadi auto driver, all in comically execrable paki Urdu (which sounds ridiculous to Hyderabadi ears). Then there was all that public carrying on about hot pakjabi afsars, which ended when they put the memsab out in the cold. It is all unbecoming of a serious person with intellectual integrity IMO.

So I guess my judgment of her work is colored by my distaste for her overall persona.

Interesting. If I may say so she may be a b----h but she's a useful one. Whether she is taken seriously or not by the US does not seem to concern her as much as telling Pakis facts about themselves.

Maybe I am hoping that the words of a white woman will sink into the heads blundering Indian nincompoops who are befuddled by the fossilized thought processes about Pakistan that have existed in India for decades. There is no psec/WKK argument that she cannot handle with a combination of élan and some vulgarity which basically shuts up the questioner. She sprinkles her talks with what I believe are important psychological facts like the way Pakis use observer bias in winning over Indians by inviting people to Pakistan, hosting them graciously and exposing them to the most drippy sentimental Pakis acting as if they love India and the bad people are somewhere else like a different dimension and in Mars.

I find her attitudes helpful because I think that even the "Peace brigade" (such as exists) in Pakistan is merely one that wants to rule India and will accept dozens or hundreds of dead Indians as opposed to the hawks who prefer thousands, or preferably all dead. There is a close linkage between Congress pseudosecularism and Pakistaniyat and Congress too has not minded Hindu and Sikh deaths but opposes Muslim deaths, and there is a body of Indians who need education about Pakistan.

Sorry to digress..
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Postby Karan Dixit » 14 Jan 2016 07:12

ramana wrote:...

She represents some in US who are done withe Paki nakre and want India to do their dirty work.

...


You nailed it. She is in that article basically trying to taunt India into taking action by saying things like: India does not have offensive capability to take on Pakistan.

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Postby shiv » 14 Jan 2016 07:15

Karan Dixit wrote:
ramana wrote:...

She represents some in US who are done withe Paki nakre and want India to do their dirty work.

...


You nailed it. She is in that article basically trying to taunt India into taking action by saying things like: India does not have offensive capability to take on Pakistan.

To be fair she keeps repeating that the US should not continue to arm Pakistan.

She is as good at poking Indian egos as Pakistani egos. One way to see her views is venom against Pakistan and she would be quite happy to see India kick Pakistani ass even if it is in reaction to her taunt.

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Postby saip » 14 Jan 2016 09:43

Govt tightens the screws on Jaish: Three held over Pathankot phone calls

The headline has no connection to the story and at the end you are left wondering if anyone has been arrested at all.

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Postby chetak » 14 Jan 2016 09:56

How Indian media covered the Pathankot attack


How Indian media covered the Pathankot attack
ByOpIndia StaffPosted on January 4, 2016

Even as our army was fighting Pakistani terrorists at Pathankot, Indian media and media persons were engaged in a different sort of warfare. To start with, in what was possibly the worst attempt at lying and spinning, a web portal called CatchNews.com tried to rake up a 6 months old comment by Home Minister Rajnath Singh, in an attempt to show him down.

CatchNews.com (which has Shoma Chaudhary, ex-collegaue of rape accused Tarun Tejpal and who is often accused of shielding Tejpal, as Editor in Chief) claimed that even as security forces were battling terrorists, Rajnath Singh had asked terrorists to practice Yoga to channelise inner gyaan. catchnews

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The first part of the above lie was clear from their own article. The article was dated 20 June 2015 (as can be seen from the below screenshot). And the screenshot also makes it clear that even though the article was dated 20th June 2015, they added the first paragraph now which talked about Pathankot and claimed Rajnath Singh made this statement now.

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It is amply clear that Rajnath Singh did not make this statement now from the fact that other media houses too reported this statement in June 2015 itself.

Further, as per CatchNews.com’s claims, did Rajnath Singh say terrorists should “practice yoga to channelise inner gyaan”? This is what he had said:

“Knowledge is very dangerous. Those who are involved in terrorist activities, they are also ‘gyaani’. They do not lack knowledge. There are many people in terrorism, they have knowledge too. But knowledge should be used in such a way that it becomes helpful to the society, not disastrous. Yoga will do the work of controlling that knowledge,”


The spin and intent of CatchNews.com is clear, especially in the backdrop of terror attacks.

Moving along, senior journalist Barkha Dutt seemed to be more disturbed about lack of information to the press rather than the fact the army was still dealing with a crisis:

barkha dutt ✔ @BDUTT
Unsettling, unanswered questions piling up over #Pathankot - would be good for @manoharparrikar to maybe have a press conference at least?
4:28 PM - 3 Jan 2016
126 Retweets 103 likes


While Barkha Dutt was lamenting about lack of information, A retired colonel of the Indian Army was making some very serious allegations about NDTV:

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ndtv telecasting army ops

He alleged that NDTV transmitted key army operations thereby helping terrorists. It is not possible to verify this allegation now but given the history of Indian media and how it unwittingly aided terrorists during the 26/11 atatck, such serious allegations need to be investigated by the authorities.

Sagarika Ghose and Nikhil Wagle, decided that this was the best time ridicule Bhakts:

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Points to be noted in above tweet: “their Government” a la Ram Madhav’s “your ISIS”, the palpable glee in the tone and tenor of both tweets, and of course the Retweet of both these tweets by Delhi CM Arvind Kejriwal. Yes, while India is facing terror attacks, this is what media does.

IBN Live and India Today tried to pass off a pic from Syria as an exclusive picture of the terrorists shot dead at Pathankot:


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syria pic india today cnn ibn

This even as IBN’s Deputy Executive Editor tried to become an anti-terror operations expert and raised questions such as these:

Zakka Jacob @Zakka_Jacob
Why does it take us 3 days inside a Defence (not civilian) establishment to neutralize 2 terrorists? #PathankotAttack Day 3.
9:05 AM - 4 Jan 2016
39 Retweets 23 likes



This is the scene of Indian media right now. Ranging from lies and deceit to taking potshots and Bhakts during a terror operation.

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Postby Amber G. » 14 Jan 2016 10:27

Saw in urdu .... (rough translation) as reaction to the reports of 'pakistan-detains-jem-chief-maulana-masood-azhar-offices-sealed'

>>>If Kashmiri migrants like Nawaz Sharif and Raheel Sharif wanted such good relations with the RSS/BJP, why didn't they just stay in Kashmir and campaign for union with India; why did they move to Lahore? This is just a filmi-play where they fool other ethnic groups with declarations of 'protect the Muslims' even while they themselves are doing business with the RSS/BJP.

Tauba Tauba..

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Postby Vayutuvan » 14 Jan 2016 10:38

Hakim saheb, India is not biddable. Christine fair who?? An elected/electable mass leader or a towering military srtategist? A Nobel prize winning scientist or economist? How about a Pulitzer winning journalist? Nada nothing - IOW a nobody.
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Postby Austin » 14 Jan 2016 11:23

I think this will play like 26/11 , House Arrest /Detain few folks , Say investigation is going on or join investigation , When things cool down and its out of media , Claim we have no proof to arrest Jaish leader etc and then release them.

We have yet to see any thing conclusive come from 26/11 arrest or detention , for all we know they might just be operating from inside the jail or its just smokescreen

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Postby Amber G. » 14 Jan 2016 11:37

Meanwhile one of the Pakistani I seem to observe was in Mumbai - Pervez Hoodbhoy from Islamabad was at Mumbai's Tata Institute of Social Sciences (TISS).

Strangely, I Think the audience (Mumbai students), in some respect slung more mud at GoI than PH' :(
And PH had more respect for NaMo and hope for the future..

Pathankot gives me a bit of hope. It has been handled remarkably well by both governments, shortly after that unexpected trip by Prime Minister Narendra Modi to Lahore. Not very unexpected to some, I must add. Where did he get that pink turban to gift Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif? Did he buy it in Kabul?"


There are rational actors on both sides. Everybody now understands that if there is a serious war, it will escalate out of control. Once the first nuclear weapon is used, the second is going to be used. When the second is used, the third will be. Well-meaning people who have created nuclear weapons, thinking that they would act as a deterrent to war, have no idea of the horrors they have unleashed.


Many in India, however, are deeply cynical of Pakistan's assurances to crack down on terrorists. This is particularly because of the slower than snail-like pace at which they have acted in response to the 2008 terror attacks in Mumbai.

There is little doubt in my mind that the responsibility for punishing those jihadis is on Pakistani shoulders. The men who carried out those brutal attacks on the Taj Hotel and other places -- their calls have been traced back to Pakistan. They came from Karachi. Their chief was Hafiz Saeed, and their handler Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi. It is incumbent on Pakistan to punish them. The very fact that Saeed is allowed to be on television is a disgrace. Lakhvi should not be protected at all by the Pakistani state.
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There is reason to believe that Pakistan's response to terrorism will change. Both civilians and the Pakistani army have had to pay a heavy price by way of the large number of lives lost due to terror attacks on Pakistani soil. The Pakistani army has lost more soldiers to the jihadis than to the Indian army
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walking through the corridors of Islamabad's Quaid-e-Azam University, and noticing posters by groups such as Lashkar-e-Toiba, Jaish-e-Muhammad and Hizbul Mujahideen competing to recruit students to join the jihad in Kashmir.


Not impressed one of the Mumbai student asked ... :eek:
By discrediting the freedom struggle in Kashmir as a Pakistani conspiracy, aren't you turning a blind eye to the brutal occupation of Kashmir by India?" /disgust/


Hoodbhoy replied:
Pakistan should have no business in supporting them militarily. It can respond diplomatically and politically. We must remember that both Muslims and Hindus have suffered. What has happened to the Kashmiri Pandits is no small thing. Yes, we must be critical of armed action against civilians, whether it is in Kashmir, Balochistan, Nagaland or Sindh 8)


Link: From DailyO.In.

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Postby sum » 14 Jan 2016 12:00

By discrediting the freedom struggle in Kashmir as a Pakistani conspiracy, aren't you turning a blind eye to the brutal occupation of Kashmir by India?"

Wonder who is the guy who asked this? Must be from the valley or a certain peaceful guy ( or a nutcase commie, of course)

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Postby mraghu » 14 Jan 2016 12:55

Article claims the SP was paid in diamonds and the jeweller was being used to authenticat them : http://www.bangaloremirror.com/news/ind ... 566862.cms

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Postby chetak » 14 Jan 2016 13:15

sum wrote:
By discrediting the freedom struggle in Kashmir as a Pakistani conspiracy, aren't you turning a blind eye to the brutal occupation of Kashmir by India?"

Wonder who is the guy who asked this? Must be from the valley or a certain peaceful guy ( or a nutcase commie, of course)


TISS, the organisation was chosen carefully, it is chockful of sickulars, naxal sympathizers and commies.

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Postby Raja Ram » 14 Jan 2016 13:32

When the news of the "arrest" of Masood Azhar first appeared quoting paki media sources; I could sense that this could be a false plant. It got strengthened when MSM started quoting this as a major event. I think this was done to trick an out of turn announcement by neta or babu welcoming this so that the FS meeting cancellation can be used to embarass GoI. Thankfully nothing like that happened.

With regard to SIT visiting site is concerned, I don't think that will fly with New Delhi either.

What is clear from COAS presser is that there was specific intelligence input, preventive mobilizations from the Army side were made for all possible scenarios. The perimeter breach is something that should have been avoided by proper reinforcements. But when the detection happened, the engagement was swift, intruders were cornered in a small area and neutralized. The second lot of two managed to get into a building which had to be evacuated and then neutralized.

Major questions remain on border management. But COAS, for all his methodical recounting, did not get into perimeter security management on a base that was on high alert. There were a few statements that clarified popular rumours and nailed half truths. Having said there were some assertions that are being questioned. Not sure if that is something that we should give credence.

The BSF end has a lot of answering to do as does Gurdaspur SP whose account has raised more questions than provided answers.

COAS presser should be a good starting point for reconstructing events here on the forum.

What is also clear is that the use of riverine stretch and Chinese transmission set is another piece of evidence that Paki Army/Rangers was fully involved. The tactics adopted, weapon load used all point to this being a covert operation by Paki regulars and not trained jehadis. They may have been planted in JeM and used by controllers in Paki Army/ISI. This is a hypothesis that I have, based on what is available openly. I am open to change an accept an alternative explanation, if evidence for the same is compelling.

A careful sifting through the clutter of information from credible and non-credible sources can yield clues to either support or reject this hypothesis. If it does prove, then we must do what we can to unmask Paki involvement and prove that this was not a mission done by some renegades in JeM or UJC but it was state sponsored and sanctioned attack on India. I for one, do not want to give the benefit of doubt to Pakistan on this.

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Postby prahaar » 14 Jan 2016 13:36

By discrediting the freedom struggle in Kashmir as a Pakistani conspiracy, aren't you turning a blind eye to the brutal occupation of Kashmir by India?"


chetak wrote:Wonder who is the guy who asked this? Must be from the valley or a certain peaceful guy ( or a nutcase commie, of course)
TISS, the organisation was chosen carefully, it is chockful of sickulars, naxal sympathizers and commies.


Very apt sir. For example, if PH event was held in VJTI versus Xaviers, the narrative would appear significantly different.

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Postby member_22539 » 14 Jan 2016 14:56

mraghu wrote:Article claims the SP was paid in diamonds and the jeweller was being used to authenticat them : http://www.bangaloremirror.com/news/ind ... 566862.cms


This guy needs to be hung for treason.

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Postby chetak » 14 Jan 2016 15:15

Arun Menon wrote:
mraghu wrote:Article claims the SP was paid in diamonds and the jeweller was being used to authenticat them : http://www.bangaloremirror.com/news/ind ... 566862.cms


This guy needs to be hung for treason.


plenty of others like him in and around those parts, if there is any credence to whatsapp messages. Plenty of stick for PP and BSF, both known notorious entities for such dharmic activities because of some bad apples.

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Re: Pathankot AFB terrorist Attack After Action Analysis-I

Postby Murugan » 14 Jan 2016 15:39

So SP sir went to Mazar and not to a Gurudwara !
(DD News)

All vital DIs have one around.

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Postby chetak » 14 Jan 2016 15:46

Murugan wrote:So SP sir went to Mazar and not to a Gurudwara !
(DD News)

All vital DIs have one around.


mazar not an issue, saar. Lots of people do go, and not just the faithfuls onlee.

maybe this guy did not want to miss any bets for the future salvation of his black soul

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Postby Murugan » 14 Jan 2016 16:02

Saar, very sickening to see them mushrooming around DIs.

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Postby member_23858 » 14 Jan 2016 16:06

chetak wrote:TISS, the organisation was chosen carefully, it is chockful of sickulars, naxal sympathizers and commies.


Well, like they say, if Delhi has Lutyens, Mumbai has its Xaviers and TISS.....not to worry, they dont have any hold on the opinion of the masses.

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Re: Pathankot AFB terrorist Attack After Action Analysis-I

Postby Aditya G » 14 Jan 2016 16:22

OT, but regarding the conversation regarding use of gunships in COIN:

For records.

http://indianexpress.com/article/explai ... state-too/

...

Following the success of armed helicopters in the Kargil War, it was decided, in 2000, to use helicopter gunships against terrorists in the Kashmir Valley. Two Mi-35s were prepared for the role — but after a couple of failed attempts at coordinating with the Army officer who could not be accommodated in the cockpit, a decision was taken to use the bigger Mi-17s instead. An Mi-17 crew did, on one occasion, fire at militants on the ground, but the results could not be ascertained.

In Kargil, the Pakistanis were on snow-bound terrain with no vegetation, far from inhabited areas. During Valley missions, on the other hand, helicopters had to operate close to populated areas with vegetation that was dense at places — providing terrorists cover, and making it very difficult to distinguish friend from foe from the air. The experiment was quickly abandoned.

...


The article seems to be referring to the operation in Doda in 2000:

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/other-armed ... shmir.html
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