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Postby sum » 31 Mar 2016 04:10

A senior government official claimed that the JIT was convinced with the kind of evidence presented before them regarding JeM’s involvement in the attack.

He said the field visit added further weight to India’s claims.

The five-member JIT was put in bullet-proof SUVs and were given a guided tour by the National Investigation Agency (NIA) to all the five crime scenes, where the terrorists either stopped or snatched vehicles before storming the airbase.

Along the dusty roads of Pathankot, the JIT was given a first hand account of the route taken by the terrorists to enter India from Pakistan and finally reach the airbase. Accompanied by Indian officials, the team spent four hours criss-crossing the district. In an attempt to avoid embarrassing visuals of the Pakistan team entering through the main gate, the JIT was escorted via the rear side of the base, the same place that terrorists snaked in from.

:roll: :roll: :-? :-?

^^ Pathetic that even under a NaMo govt, this sort of banana republic stuff happens.

I wonder how this forum would have reacted if the same had happened under MMS!

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Postby ramana » 01 Apr 2016 02:43

Sum for you!!!!

http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/pak ... 71282.html

Pak admits its nationals were involved.


Its an inference.

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Postby raj-senthil » 01 Apr 2016 16:05

Pathankot terror attack: NIA team to visit Pakistan to probe attack


Four months after the terror attacks in Pathankot, the National Investigating Agency has said that its team may visit Pakistan to probe the attack.

"The Pakistan Joint Investigation Team welcomed the idea that an NIA would like to visit Pakistan and carry forward the probe," Sharad Kumar, DG, NIA said.

However, the official did not mention any specific date for the visit.

The official also said that information about the addresses of the alleged terrorists had been shared with Pakistan and that JIT has assured India of 'full co-operation.'

The JIT was given access to 16 witnesses including suspended Gurdaspur SP Salwinder Singh, Kumar said.
Pathankot attack. File photo. AFP

Pathankot attack. File photo. AFP

This will be the first time that Pakistani intelligence and police officials have travelled to India to investigate a terror attack.

All the witnesses were reportedly under the agency's supervision for the past five days, sources said.

Punjab's superintendent of police has claimed that he, Verma and his cook Gopal were abducted by four or five heavily armed terrorists near Punjab's Kolia village on 2 January.

The terrorists later attacked the Pathankot Indian Air Force base in which seven security personnel and the Pakistani terrorists were killed.

The Pakistani team came to India to probe the Pathankot attack which, New Delhi says, was masterminded by Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Maulana Masood Azhar.

On Monday and Tuesday, the NIA submitted the evidence to the five-member Pakistani team on the terror attack.

According to NIA sources, the evidence shows that the Pathankot operation was planned by elements in Pakistan.

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Postby adityadange » 01 Apr 2016 18:02

to me it looks the whole paki SIT drama is actually here to do yearly appraisal of their ISI officers. when they will go back they all of them will sit together over drink and have a good laugh on india.

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Postby SSridhar » 01 Apr 2016 18:39

ramana wrote:http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/pakistan-admits-pathankot-terrorists-were-its-nationals-report_1871282.html

Pak admits its nationals were involved.

I was one of those who vehemently criticized the Sharm-el-Sheik fiasco even though some saw a Chankian approach in it. This Pakistani JIT drama is much worse than that unless there is an even bigger Chankian approach in it than what we can decipher. The Sharm-el-Sheikh Chankian tactic turned out dud.

Eventually, Pakistan admitted to its nationals being involved in 26/11 too. What has happened since then?

To the best of my abilities and with the little information that leaks out of Pakistan every now and then, I have a chronology of court drama in Pakistan.

The implication is obvious.

Pakistan is too far down the hole. It cannot be shamed any more, it cannot redeemed any more, it won't act any more (it never acted over any evidence of wrongdoing anyway), it doesn't care any more, and it only wants to do more of the same.

Short of breaking it apart carefully, there is no solution.

If that decision has been arrived at (which we shall never know) and the JIT is just a facade while background tasks are running independently and furiously, uninterruptedly and uninterruptibly, to borrow from the great sage Mani, then I take back my criticism.

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Postby vinod » 01 Apr 2016 18:48

sum wrote:
A senior government official claimed that the JIT was convinced with the kind of evidence presented before them regarding JeM’s involvement in the attack.

He said the field visit added further weight to India’s claims.

The five-member JIT was put in bullet-proof SUVs and were given a guided tour by the National Investigation Agency (NIA) to all the five crime scenes, where the terrorists either stopped or snatched vehicles before storming the airbase.

Along the dusty roads of Pathankot, the JIT was given a first hand account of the route taken by the terrorists to enter India from Pakistan and finally reach the airbase. Accompanied by Indian officials, the team spent four hours criss-crossing the district. In an attempt to avoid embarrassing visuals of the Pakistan team entering through the main gate, the JIT was escorted via the rear side of the base, the same place that terrorists snaked in from.

:roll: :roll: :-? :-?

^^ Pathetic that even under a NaMo govt, this sort of banana republic stuff happens.

I wonder how this forum would have reacted if the same had happened under MMS!


Agreed! I cannot understand why they are playing to Paki tunes! While I like to think that some grand master plan is behind all this, my brain says there is absolutely nothing.

If it is UPA doing this, it would have been declared as the biggest national security risk ever to happen. But somehow I trust this govt with Modi, Ajit Doval and Parikar at the helm. If they don't fear their visit, then there is nothing in it. So, what exactly is going on?


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Postby Prem Kumar » 01 Apr 2016 20:00

However much we like to spin this, the Pathankot visit by Pakis is a slap on India's face by Modi. I am a Modi fan but will not mince words. Its beyond disgusting!

Lets summarize:
1) Modi goes on a Mata Amritanandamayi tour of Pakistan (i.e. hugs everyone in sight). Falls at feet of Sharif's mom
2) Terrorists attack Pathankot, killing 7. It could have been 100s of women & children, if not for our forces, intel & plain stupidity by the Paki terror team
3) Parikkar says usual nonsense about retaliating at a time & place of our choosing. Even my grandson will be waiting for such a time to arrive
4) We have this SIT visit from Pakistan
5) To rub salt into wounds, Masood Azad will not be declared a terrorist by UN because China veto'ed it today
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Postby sunnyP » 01 Apr 2016 20:02

Meanwhile, what the Pakis got their friends to do.....

China again blocks India's bid at UN to ban JeM chief Masood Azhar


According to other government sources, the Chinese action was in "consultation" with Pakistan, which is not on the UN Committee.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 639747.cms

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Postby Prem Kumar » 01 Apr 2016 20:07

You know what's even more criminal?

1) By allowing Pakistan to send its SIT & India doing the same, we are effectively allowing Pakistan to claim that the terrorists were rogue, non-state actors. Yes, we are giving this alibi to them on a platter. Alongwith a shawl for Nawaz's mom

2) By performing this level of deep-peaceful-engagement, we are making it impossible to undertake punitive actions (i.e. taking out the ISI handlers, terrorist families, the Paki bunkers which aided the infiltration etc). The excuse will be this: "Given how much progress is being made on the investigation front, any punitive action will cause international backlash and set back the joint-investigation progress made!"

3) Last but not the least, by engaging with Pakistan in this way, we are granting legitimacy to that terrorist state. We are making it look normal. If you are a king, you don't invite a beggar to sit next to you at the banquet table

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Postby SSridhar » 02 Apr 2016 09:00

Govt. mum on role of Azhar in Pathankot - Vijaita Singh, The Hindu
In its first official briefing after the Pakistani probe team concluded its India visit regarding the attack at the Pathankot airbase, the government refrained from mentioning the name of Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) chief Masood Azhar for the attacks.

National Investigation Agency (NIA) D-G Sharad Kumar, who was asked to read out a statement on the visit on Friday, did not name either Azhar or his brother Abdul Rauf Asghar, one of the main handlers of the attacks, and referred them as “office bearers” instead. India has all always blamed Azhar for the attacks.

The NIA D-G also announced that India was eager to send a probe team to Pakistan. “The Pakistan JIT has been informed that a team of NIA officials would like to visit Pakistan to carry forward the investigation in the Pathankot attack case,” Mr. Kumar said.

A senior government official told The Hindu that the original press note had the name of Azhar in it but it was dropped after it went for vetting to the government. It was not clear whether the names were dropped at the level of Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) or the Prime Minister’s Office (PMO).

The Hindu had reported that the Pakistan JIT has informed NIA that they have not found any evidence, which linked the Pathankot attack to Azhar. The JIT had told the NIA that they were still verifying it.

“The NIA sought voice samples of some senior office-bearers of JeM, and DNA sample of the mother of slain terrorist Nasir Hussain. The JIT was also requested to verify the various articles seized from the terrorists, including arms and ammunition as mentioned in the Letter Rogatory sent earlier to Pakistan. The NIA shared with the JIT the identity and the address of the four terrorists and requested the JIT to confirm the same. The NIA presented the JIT with concrete evidence against the office-bearers of JeM who conspired in the attack,” Mr. Kumar said.

“The route taken by the terrorists was also shown to the JIT. These are part of the standard legal procedure of investigation in both the nations. The NIA briefed the JIT on investigations in the case of the attack carried out by the JeM on January 2, 2016 at Pathankot. The Pakistan JIT, in turn, shared with the NIA the results of investigations conducted by them so far in Pakistan. On JIT’s request, the NIA provided certified copies of postmortem reports, MLRs, CDRs, DNA reports and the seizure memo of articles from the scene of Crime. The Pakistan JIT was given access to 16 witnesses,” said Mr. Kumar.

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Postby SSridhar » 02 Apr 2016 09:05

There is nothing surprising in the above.

As early as February 7th, the Pakistani SIT informed GoI that there was no evidence against Masood Azhar. Even when he was said to have been put under house arrest, Pakistan claimed that it was only under Maintenance of Public Order. Now, GoP will have to pay stipend for Maulana Masood Azhar's family as it did in the case of Hafeez Saeed after a similar 'house arrest' / 'protective custody' after 26/11. I had said this on 15th Jan and it is turning out to be true.

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Postby SSridhar » 03 Apr 2016 07:46

India "failed" to provide evidence to Pakistan JIT on Pathankot attack: Report - PTI

As expected, if true.

A day after its return from India, the Pakistani Joint Investigation Team (JIT) probing the Pathankot attack claimed that Indian authorities "failed" to provide evidence to prove that Pakistan-based terrorists had stormed the IAF base, a media report here [Islamabad] said today.

Pakistani investigators were allowed to enter the military airbase from the narrow adjacent routes instead of the main entrance and their duration of the visit was just 55 minutes, enough to take a mere walk through the military facility, sources close to the JIT were quoted as saying by Geo News.

The JIT could not collect evidence in this limited time, the report said citing sources.

The JIT members visited the Pathankot airbase on March 29 where National Investigation Agency (NIA) officials briefed them and showed them the route from where the attackers stormed the airbase.

The sources were quoted as saying that the lights along the 24-km perimeter wall of the Pathankot airbase were found to be faulty on the eve of the attack.

However, the report claimed that the Pakistani team was only informed about the negligence of Border Security Force ( BSF) and Indian forces.


The JIT returned yesterday after their five-day visit to India during which all evidence pertaining to the attack was shared with them, including the DNA of four terrorists, their identity as well as call records showing involvement of Jaish-e-Mohammed(JeM) terrorists behind the attack on the Pathankot air base during the intervening night of January 1 and 2.

The gun battle which lasted for more than 80 hours left seven security personnel dead. Bodies of four terrorists have been recovered so far.

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Postby Sid » 03 Apr 2016 07:52

What a colossal waste of time and money, did anyone expected them to admit anything. Mr. Modi if you or any one of your folks are reading this, please don't be a sucker for Pakistan.

Only language they understand is a kick in their nut sack.

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Postby SSridhar » 05 Apr 2016 07:22

X-post from STFU-TSP thread.

Pathankot attack staged by India, believe Pak sleuths - ToI
After reports from Pakistan last week that the joint investigation team (JIT) was not convinced about the evidence provided by NIA in the Pathankot attack, Pakistan media reported Monday that the JIT was actually now convinced that the encounter had been stage-managed by Indian authorities.

'Pakistan Today' quoted a member of JIT, which had last week visited the Pathankot airbase, to say that the attack was nothing but "vicious propaganda" against Pakistan as Indian authorities did not have any evidence to back their claims. The report said that the JIT will submit its report on the attack to Pakistan PM Nawaz Sharif in the next few days.

The report also had the anonymous JIT official talking about the murder of NIA officer Tanzil Ahmed. "The brutal murder of a Muslim investigator is evidence that the Indian establishment wants to keep the matter under wraps," said the JIT official in the report.

According to the report, NIA did not cooperate with the JIT during the latter's visit to India. This is contrary to what NIA has told reporters in India. Government sources in India said Pakistan officials were probably under pressure to to say what they were saying. "A section of the establishment may not appreciate reports in Indian media that Pakistani officials were going back home convinced that the attack was perpetrated by Pakistan nationals", said an official here [New Delhi].

The JIT officials are said to have told 'Pakistan Today' that Indian authorities also failed to establish that the attackers entered from Pakistan. "Within hours of the assault, all the attackers were shot dead by the Indian security forces. However, the Indian authorities made it a three-day drama to get maximum attention from the world community in order to malign Pakistan," the report added.


We will wait for official reaction from GoP, but, if it turns out to be true it can't be surprising, can it?

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Postby deejay » 05 Apr 2016 08:16

SSridhar wrote:X-post from STFU-TSP thread.

Pathankot attack staged by India, believe Pak sleuths - ToI
After reports from Pakistan last week that the joint investigation team (JIT) was not convinced about the evidence provided by NIA in the Pathankot attack, Pakistan media reported Monday that the JIT was actually now convinced that the encounter had been stage-managed by Indian authorities.

'Pakistan Today' quoted a member of JIT, which had last week visited the Pathankot airbase, to say that the attack was nothing but "vicious propaganda" against Pakistan as Indian authorities did not have any evidence to back their claims. The report said that the JIT will submit its report on the attack to Pakistan PM Nawaz Sharif in the next few days.

The report also had the anonymous JIT official talking about the murder of NIA officer Tanzil Ahmed. "The brutal murder of a Muslim investigator is evidence that the Indian establishment wants to keep the matter under wraps," said the JIT official in the report.

According to the report, NIA did not cooperate with the JIT during the latter's visit to India. This is contrary to what NIA has told reporters in India. Government sources in India said Pakistan officials were probably under pressure to to say what they were saying. "A section of the establishment may not appreciate reports in Indian media that Pakistani officials were going back home convinced that the attack was perpetrated by Pakistan nationals", said an official here [New Delhi].

The JIT officials are said to have told 'Pakistan Today' that Indian authorities also failed to establish that the attackers entered from Pakistan. "Within hours of the assault, all the attackers were shot dead by the Indian security forces. However, the Indian authorities made it a three-day drama to get maximum attention from the world community in order to malign Pakistan," the report added.


We will wait for official reaction from GoP, but, if it turns out to be true it can't be surprising, can it?


It is shame that we allowed that JIT to come in and investigate. It would have been surprising if JIT or Paki Establishment had said something reasonable.

When will we learn. How many hits must India endure? There was hope from this dispensation but more and more our willingness to bend over and please our attackers is deflating all sense of enthusiasm.

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Postby sum » 05 Apr 2016 08:28

^^ We deserve this public humiliation and jhappad for trying to be too Chankian ( or not usre what else) by allowing such a drama to take place !

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Postby Dumal » 05 Apr 2016 13:34

If nothing good comes out of this, this would throw out the case for any future Joint Investigations of the type that Pakis and their masters have asked for every time a terror attack happens.

Also note that no pre-announced, visible secretary-level meeting have taken place since and probably will not until there is satisfactory progress in the investigation, which means no feeding expectations to the candle-kissers on either sides and the media circus. Any back-door diplomacy will never serve to make political points or equal-equal tamasha.

Even with this investigation, what we hear from the paki sources may be for their domestic consumption. The reality may be different. The NIA visiting Pakistan etc must mean the game is not over.

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Postby svinayak » 05 Apr 2016 18:59

sum wrote:^^ We deserve this public humiliation and jhappad for trying to be too Chankian ( or not usre what else) by allowing such a drama to take place !



deejay wrote:

It is shame that we allowed that JIT to come in and investigate. It would have been surprising if JIT or Paki Establishment had said something reasonable.

When will we learn. How many hits must India endure? There was hope from this dispensation but more and more our willingness to bend over and please our attackers is deflating all sense of enthusiasm.


Sid wrote:What a colossal waste of time and money, did anyone expected them to admit anything. Mr. Modi if you or any one of your folks are reading this, please don't be a sucker for Pakistan.

Only language they understand is a kick in their nut sack.


SSridhar wrote:There is nothing surprising in the above.

As early as February 7th, the Pakistani SIT informed GoI that there was no evidence against Masood Azhar. Even when he was said to have been put under house arrest, Pakistan claimed that it was only under Maintenance of Public Order. Now, GoP will have to pay stipend for Maulana Masood Azhar's family as it did in the case of Hafeez Saeed after a similar 'house arrest' / 'protective custody' after 26/11. I had said this on 15th Jan and it is turning out to be true.


Prem Kumar wrote:You know what's even more criminal?

1) By allowing Pakistan to send its SIT & India doing the same, we are effectively allowing Pakistan to claim that the terrorists were rogue, non-state actors. Yes, we are giving this alibi to them on a platter. Alongwith a shawl for Nawaz's mom

2) By performing this level of deep-peaceful-engagement, we are making it impossible to undertake punitive actions (i.e. taking out the ISI handlers, terrorist families, the Paki bunkers which aided the infiltration etc). The excuse will be this: "Given how much progress is being made on the investigation front, any punitive action will cause international backlash and set back the joint-investigation progress made!"

3) Last but not the least, by engaging with Pakistan in this way, we are granting legitimacy to that terrorist state. We are making it look normal. If you are a king, you don't invite a beggar to sit next to you at the banquet table

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Pak used the bluff and chutzpah to create an impression of being in control over the narrative but does not cut it.

The official statement from GOP is waited. This is the first time that these guys have admitted the crime from their end.
All these news report is to side track the real info. Even Indian agencies may have put the stories.
Good comments here and even funny ones. LOL. What a perception due to another country coming inside India.

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Postby Sid » 05 Apr 2016 21:27

Since this is not a zero-sum game, we do not want to initiate it. Unless... overnight we gain massive military superiority over porkies and all odds are on our side.

That's how babus and politicians calculate it, national pride and image is an afterthought. Also this nuke thing has complicated calculations to certain extent.

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Postby member_28108 » 05 Apr 2016 22:43

Sama daana bheda and Danda. Saama is over

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Postby SSridhar » 07 Apr 2016 03:47

India did not present witnesses belonging to security forces: Pakistan on JIT visit - PTI
Pakistan on Wednesday night said India had not produced witnesses belonging to the security forces before its Joint Investigation Team (JIT) on the Pathankot terror attack.

In its first statement after the JIT returned here following its visit to Pathankot and New Delhi, Pakistan foreign ministry made no reference to media reports in this country that claimed that the Pathankot attack was "stage-managed" by India.


The report had been sharply condemned in India as double-speak by ISI and Pakistani armed forces.

"The JIT visited the crime scene and also recorded the statements of some witnesses. However, the witnesses belonging to the Indian security forces were not produced before it," said the Pakistan Foreign Office statement.

Noting that the JIT visited India from March 27 to April 1 for investigating the "allegations" regarding the attack on Pathankot airbase, it said the visit started with a presentation given by the Indian National Investigation Agency (NIA) regarding its investigations so far.

"The JIT briefed the NIA on progress of investigations in Pakistan. Further investigations are underway," it said.

The statement said the visit took place "in the context of the cooperative approach being pursued by the government of Pakistan as part of its commitment to effectively fight terrorism in all its forms."

According to the Indian side, the JIT was provided all evidence pertaining to the attack, including the DNA of four terrorists, their identity as well as call records showing involvement of Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) terrorists behind the terror strike on the Pathankot airbase on the intervening night of January 1 and 2

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Postby SSridhar » 08 Apr 2016 10:46

Info from Pak. helps NIA identify Pathankot ultras - Vijaita Singh, The Hindu
Information received from anonymous individuals in Pakistan, after photos of the slain Pathankot terrorists were put up on the National Investigation Agency (NIA) website, was crucial in identifying four Pakistan terrorists who stormed the airbase, a senior government official said.

The NIA had published the photographs of the deceased terrorists on its website last month, inviting information from public. Officials said they received a number of anonymous messages from foreign countries, including Pakistan, which helped them get additional information about the identity of the four terrorists killed at the Pathankot airbase on January 2.

“Based on phone intercepts and technical intelligence, we had some information about the identity of the four men. After we published their photographs on our website, we got information which helped us collect more personal details of these men. When we presented the details before the Joint Investigation Team [JIT], they were also convinced,” said a senior government official.

The NIA has identified the terrorists as Hafiz Abu Bakar, resident of Gujranwala (Punjab), Umar Farooq of Sanghar (Sindh), Nasir Hussain, resident of Vehari (Punjab), and Abdul Qayum of Sukkur (Sindh) in Pakistan.


The NIA had handed over the DNA samples of the four to the JIT and had asked them to track the family members and match it with them.

The official also said Pakistan had agreed ahead of the JIT’s visit to India that it would not get access to any of the defence personnel involved in the operation at the Pathankot airbase attack.

“The Terms of Reference of the visit sent to Pakistan ahead of the JIT’s visit clearly mentioned that they would not get access to any defence personnel involved in Pathankot operation,” the official said.

According to the Terms of Reference for the recent visit of the JIT, it was to interview key witnesses and victims of Pathankot terror attack but there was no mention of access to military or any other security personnel.

Pakistan had on Wednesday said India did not produce witnesses belonging to the security forces before the JIT.

“The JIT visited the crime scene and also recorded the statements of some witnesses. However, the witnesses belonging to the Indian security forces were not produced before it,” said the Pakistan Foreign Office, in its first statement on the team’s return from India.

The Terms of Reference say the JIT would collect, review and document physical evidence regarding the Pathankot incident, collect pieces of forensic evidence for possible matching with specimens of relevant individuals in Pakistan. The team would collect, collate, analyse and document electronic/ digital evidence, visit crime scene and other relevant places related to Pathankot investigation, it says.


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Postby Akshay Kapoor » 08 Apr 2016 11:44

svinayak wrote:
sum wrote:^^ We deserve this public humiliation and jhappad for trying to be too Chankian ( or not usre what else) by allowing such a drama to take place !



deejay wrote:

It is shame that we allowed that JIT to come in and investigate. It would have been surprising if JIT or Paki Establishment had said something reasonable.

When will we learn. How many hits must India endure? There was hope from this dispensation but more and more our willingness to bend over and please our attackers is deflating all sense of enthusiasm.


Sid wrote:What a colossal waste of time and money, did anyone expected them to admit anything. Mr. Modi if you or any one of your folks are reading this, please don't be a sucker for Pakistan.

Only language they understand is a kick in their nut sack.


SSridhar wrote:There is nothing surprising in the above.

As early as February 7th, the Pakistani SIT informed GoI that there was no evidence against Masood Azhar. Even when he was said to have been put under house arrest, Pakistan claimed that it was only under Maintenance of Public Order. Now, GoP will have to pay stipend for Maulana Masood Azhar's family as it did in the case of Hafeez Saeed after a similar 'house arrest' / 'protective custody' after 26/11. I had said this on 15th Jan and it is turning out to be true.


Prem Kumar wrote:You know what's even more criminal?

1) By allowing Pakistan to send its SIT & India doing the same, we are effectively allowing Pakistan to claim that the terrorists were rogue, non-state actors. Yes, we are giving this alibi to them on a platter. Alongwith a shawl for Nawaz's mom

2) By performing this level of deep-peaceful-engagement, we are making it impossible to undertake punitive actions (i.e. taking out the ISI handlers, terrorist families, the Paki bunkers which aided the infiltration etc). The excuse will be this: "Given how much progress is being made on the investigation front, any punitive action will cause international backlash and set back the joint-investigation progress made!"

3) Last but not the least, by engaging with Pakistan in this way, we are granting legitimacy to that terrorist state. We are making it look normal. If you are a king, you don't invite a beggar to sit next to you at the banquet table

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Pak used the bluff and chutzpah to create an impression of being in control over the narrative but does not cut it.

The official statement from GOP is waited. This is the first time that these guys have admitted the crime from their end.
All these news report is to side track the real info. Even Indian agencies may have put the stories.
Good comments here and even funny ones. LOL. What a perception due to another country coming inside India.



Gents, see the TSP thread, there are people even on BR who have bought the lets keep turning the other cheek logic. Very disheartening.

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Postby chetak » 10 Apr 2016 08:40

With Love From NIA, Biryani for Pakistan Investigators Despite Terror



With Love From NIA, Biryani for Pakistan Investigators Despite Terror
By Sumit kumar singh
Published: 10th Apr 2016

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NEW DELHI: It was not ‘biryani diplomacy’ but biryani itself in which the five-member Pakistani Joint Investigation Team, which visited India, was seemingly interested in. Indian food was more on their mind rather than the Jaish-e-Mohammed terrorists, who carried out attack at the Pathankot air base on January 2.

From Old Delhi Karim’s Jahangiri Korma, Tandoori Burra, Roghni Naan and Khamiri Roti to Balushahi from Hira Sweets of Laxmi Nagar, the delegation was served a sumptuous platter with different delicacies each time it demanded.

On the very first day they landed in Delhi, they were kept in ITC Maurya hotel where they had North Indian food, which included tandoori chicken and other delicacies like Dal Bukhara.

The second day, after a meeting with their Indian counterparts at the National Investigation Agency (NIA) headquarters, they were taken to Shangri La Hotel for lunch, a senior NIA officer told The Sunday Standard. There, it was again tandoori items and mutton delicacies.

The third day was again spent at the NIA headquarters where lunch was sourced from old Delhi’s famous Karim’s restaurants.

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Postby chetak » 10 Apr 2016 08:53

The Face of Pathankot Terror



Revealed: The Face of Pathankot Terror
By YATISH YADAV
Published: 10th Apr 2016

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Kashif Jan’s Facebook page (above); soldiers during the terror attack

New Delhi: This is Kashif Jan, the main handler of the Pathankot air force base attackers and an aide of Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) chief Maulana Masood Azhar. The face of the deadly terror attack had remained obscure to agencies hunting for JeM handlers sheltered in Pakistan with the help of ISI and army. National Intelligence Agency (NIA) probing the attack wants to quiz Jan, but Pakistan’s recent charade is seen as an attempt to sabotage the agency’s impending visit.

According to sources, Jan, who provided logistics to Pathankot attackers and facilitated the meticulous infiltration plan, deleted his Facebook profile within hours of the terror strike. But the two grabs now accessed by intelligence agencies exposed Jan’s identity and his role in the Pathankot attack. Jan was actively involved in terror activities and had left his Karachi number on the Facebook profile, which connected the dots in linking him with four terrorists—Nasir Hussain, Hafiz Abu Bakar, Abdul Qayum and Umar Farooq. Sources said one of the terrorists used the mobile phone of Punjab Superintendent of Police Salwinder Singh’s friend Rajesh Verma and called +923453030***. This number was traced to Jan. Singh, Verma and cook Madan Gopal were kidnapped by the terrorists on the intervening night of December 31 and January 1 before they snaked into Pathankot air base and unleashed terror. It is learnt that four-five calls were made to Jan from Verma’s phone. A week later, Pakistan claimed that Jan and another handler, Saad Mughal, had been arrested.

A senior intelligence officer doubts Jan’s arrest and Masood Azhar’s detention, saying that it might be a diversionary tactic to keep the Indian agencies in the dark. He said most of the wanted JeM terrorists—Shafiq, Talha, Awais, Ilyas Qasmi and Rasheed—are still at large and no operation was launched against its terror training centre at Madrassah Usman-o-Ali, Bahawalpur.

“Pak agencies have failed to get to the bottom of the conspiracy. Earlier, they said that no such mobile number exists. Now we have given them more proof establishing the handler’s identity and location. The recent comment made by Pak envoy Abdul Basit that NIA may not be allowed to go to Pakistan is another attempt to shield the terrorists,” the officer said.

Delhi is also disappointed that China, in connivance with Pakistan, blocked India’s move to designate Azhar as a ‘terrorist leader’ in the UN Security Council Committee. Indian officials said that JeM was listed as a terrorist outfit in 2001, but its chief, who is executing terror attacks against India, has not been designated as terrorist.

Jan, who provided logistics to the Pathankot attackers and facilitated their meticulous infiltration, deleted his Facebook profile within hours of the terror strike. He was actively involved in other JeM terror activities.

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Postby sivab » 17 Apr 2016 19:01

http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report-f ... my-2202541

First artillery gun in 3 decades to be inducted in army

The first artillery gun after three decades — a 155mm/45-calibre Dhanush gun — will be inducted in the Indian Army, said defence minister Manohar Parikkar during an event organised by ex-servicemen in Panvel on Thursday evening. The last artillery gun — a Bofors gun — was inducted in 1984.

By the next month, the Dhanush artillery gun, a towed howitzer with a strike range of 38km developed by the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) in Kolkata, will be handed over to the Indian Army. Dhanush artillery guns are also called 'desi Bofors'.

Parikkar said: "The required critical trial of the gun has been completed and, by next month, the gun will be inducted in the artillery." He added that this is the first gun to be inducted in the Indian Army artillery after the Bofors gun.

The gun has been developed by the OFB after going through the design and voluminous documents that were delivered to India under the first phase of the Transfer of Technology (ToT) as part of the Bofors gun deal in the late 80s. The Swedish Bofors company (now owned by Britain's BAE System) could not complete the ToT for the 155mm howitzer with 39 calibre to India as the deal got embroiled in a major political row in the 80s over alleged kickbacks.

However, during this period, OFB manufactured and supplied several components or spare parts to keep the Bofors howitzers operational in India, especially during the Kargil war.

In addition, Parikkar also informed that in the next four months, a self-propelled gun developed by L&T and specially designed for operation in the desert areas bordering Pakistan will also be inducted.

Taking note of the Indian Army facing an acute shortage of artillery, Parikkar said that in two-three years, all artillery deficits will be covered. "The intention of our government is clear when it comes to strengthening our forces," Parikkar said.

On the Kashmir issue, the defence minister said that freedom has been given to the forces to take action, without needing to wait for orders. "The lives of our security personnel are more important than that of our enemies," Parikkar said. He added, in regard to the recent Pathankot attack, "I do not see this as a terror attack. This is similar to war and we will give a befitting reply. We will decide the nature of the reply — how, when and where."


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Postby SSridhar » 17 Apr 2016 19:20

sivab wrote:
First artillery gun in 3 decades to be inducted in army
He added, in regard to the recent Pathankot attack, "I do not see this as a terror attack. This is similar to war and we will give a befitting reply. We will decide the nature of the reply — how, when and where."


In my earlier post of April 10, I said,
There is nothing more that GoI can do for peace if Pathankot happens after Modi's visit to Lahore. The peace process got terminated there.

The only reason, therefore, that I can think of is that like Mrs IG in c. 1971, they want Pakistan to attack us first. They may want the war to be declared by Pakistan as the fig leaf. Insh'a Alla'h. The frothing-at-the-mouth-corner Pakistanis would not disappoint us.

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Postby svinayak » 17 Apr 2016 20:19

All the previous wars were like this. In 1965 the war was started 6 mths before with attacks on the border.
In 1971 it was obvious with direct attack on the airfields and govt of Pak announcing the attack.

Kargil was not accepted by Pak as a war until the govt of Pak had to take responsibility.

Pathankot AFB attack was an attack on the govt of India and Indian state. This is a act of war.

The Govt of Pak accepted the attack by filing an FIR against unknown terrorist. Now by India announcing the name of the JeM and links to Pak state it is now a war.

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Postby SSridhar » 19 Apr 2016 19:12

India to insist written commitment from Pak on NIA team visit - PTI
India may insist on a written commitment for the visit of a NIA team to Pakistan to probe the terror attack in Pathankot airbase following indications that it may not be averse to such a visit.

Official sources said the Home Ministry will ask the External Affairs Ministry to seek a written commitment from Pakistan on the National Investigation Agency team’s visit whenever the next bilateral engagement takes place.


Investigators have found that Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Masood Azhar, his brother Abdul Rauf and two other individuals — Kasif Jaan and Shahid Latif — were the main conspirators of the January 2 attack on the strategic airbase and India will insist access to all of them whenever NIA will visit Pakistan.

Sources said so far there have been no indication of any “insider hand” in the Pathankot incident and it was planned and executed by Pakistan-based JeM only, sources said.

Pakistan Prime Minister’s Adviser on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz on Monday indicated that his country may consider such a request.

On whether NIA team will be allowed to visit Pakistan in connection with Pathankot attack probe, Aziz said, “Once the stage is reached...India makes a request and then we will see”.


Union Minister of State for Home Kiren Rijiju on Monday said the government was hopeful that a team of NIA will soon visit Pakistan to gather evidence in connection with the Pathankot terror attack.

“We are hopeful that a team of NIA will visit Pakistan soon,” he said.

Pakistan High Commissioner Abdul Basit had indicated last fortnight that Indian investigators may not be allowed to visit Pakistan to pursue the probe in connection with the Pathankot attack.

However, India countered it by saying that before the visit of a Pakistani Joint Investigation Team here last month, both sides had agreed that it would be on the basis of reciprocity.

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Postby chetak » 19 Apr 2016 19:24

SSridhar wrote:India to insist written commitment from Pak on NIA team visit - PTI
India may insist on a written commitment for the visit of a NIA team to Pakistan to probe the terror attack in Pathankot airbase following indications that it may not be averse to such a visit.

Official sources said the Home Ministry will ask the External Affairs Ministry to seek a written commitment from Pakistan on the National Investigation Agency team’s visit whenever the next bilateral engagement takes place.




Investigators have found that Jaish-e-Mohammad chief Masood Azhar, his brother Abdul Rauf and two other individuals — Kasif Jaan and Shahid Latif — were the main conspirators of the January 2 attack on the strategic airbase and India will insist access to all of them whenever NIA will visit Pakistan.

Sources said so far there have been no indication of any “insider hand” in the Pathankot incident and it was planned and executed by Pakistan-based JeM only, sources said.

Pakistan Prime Minister’s Adviser on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz on Monday indicated that his country may consider such a request.

On whether NIA team will be allowed to visit Pakistan in connection with Pathankot attack probe, Aziz said, “Once the stage is reached...India makes a request and then we will see”.


Union Minister of State for Home Kiren Rijiju on Monday said the government was hopeful that a team of NIA will soon visit Pakistan to gather evidence in connection with the Pathankot terror attack.

“We are hopeful that a team of NIA will visit Pakistan soon,” he said.

Pakistan High Commissioner Abdul Basit had indicated last fortnight that Indian investigators may not be allowed to visit Pakistan to pursue the probe in connection with the Pathankot attack.

However, India countered it by saying that before the visit of a Pakistani Joint Investigation Team here last month, both sides had agreed that it would be on the basis of reciprocity.


you mean to say that they did not have a "memorandum of understanding" with the pakis for the reciprocal visit?? before they let the pakis into pathankot??.

Really, really shoddy staff work by the MEA/NSA.
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Postby SSridhar » 21 Apr 2016 05:34

NIA seeks US help in Pathankot airbase attack probe - Bharti Jain, ToI
The National Investigation Agency (NIA) has informally requested the US to help it probe the conspiracy behind the Pathankot terror attack.

According to sources, NIA director general Sharad Kumar, during his recent visit to the US, sought from the FBI any further details it may have on the role of top Jaish-e-Mohammad operatives, including its chief Maulana Masood Azhar, in planning and executing the strike on the IAF base.

The NIA hopes US agencies will help it with further information on the place and time of the hatching of the conspiracy in Pakistan and the exact role of Jaish masterminds and handlers. It has also sought details on funding and other logistics that went into planning and executing the attack, including the source of weapons and explosives.

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Postby sum » 21 Apr 2016 06:48

^^ So now Amrikis have better intel than us on the one country where we are supposed to be focussing all our intel might?

Sad and a bit scary!

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Postby rkhanna » 26 Apr 2016 09:42

Considering the Genesis of this Diplomatic Fiasco has its genesis in Pathankot decided to post this here

India cancels Chinese dissident leader's visa
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-36127406[/url]

This incident reinforces the degree of how much leverage China has over us and more so with regards to Pathankot. (now clearly shown that it doesnt matter which 'type' of Govt is in Power).

Any response to such incidents (Pathankot) from our side in the future will never happen if we can stand on our feet diplomatically.

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Postby sum » 26 Apr 2016 10:28

^^ Saar, how do we know there wasnt some backdoor thing which happened and once our thing was accepted, the visa was cancelled.

We will know in coming days, i guess

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Postby Kashi » 26 Apr 2016 10:36

^^ Strawman much? I have strongly expressed my reservations on this visa denial by GoI but linking it to Pathankot is plain ridiculous?

What next? China has so much leverage over us that Kanhaiyya Kumar was let out on bail?

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Postby rkhanna » 26 Apr 2016 12:58

^^ Strawman much? I have strongly expressed my reservations on this visa denial by GoI but linking it to Pathankot is plain ridiculous?


After Pathankhot we went to the UN to sanction Masood Azar. China Veto'd us. As a Tit for Tat we gave this Chinese dissident a visa. Which we have now bent over ever so kindly and revoked. Hence current state of Diplomatic affairs DOES have its genesis in Pathankhot.

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Postby Kashi » 26 Apr 2016 14:16

rkhanna wrote:After Pathankhot we went to the UN to sanction Masood Azar. China Veto'd us. As a Tit for Tat we gave this Chinese dissident a visa. Which we have now bent over ever so kindly and revoked. Hence current state of Diplomatic affairs DOES have its genesis in Pathankhot.


After Pathankot JNU bharat todo drama began and a leftist "student" was arrested. Since we needed China's help to ostracize Masood Azhar and Pakistan, the judiciary very generously granted bail to Kanhaiya.

China blocked our motion, we gave the visa to the dissident, we revoked the visa to the dissident. We allowed Kanhaiya to board the plane, when he displayed his Pakistaniyat, he was deplaned. That's not just bending over, it's twisting into a jalebi. Enlightened yogi would be impressed.

Hence the current state of affairs in the great JNU saga has its genesis in Pathankot..

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Postby rkhanna » 26 Apr 2016 16:13

Hence the current state of affairs in the great JNU saga has its genesis in Pathankot..


Lol i tried replying to your post a couple of different ways. But basically I have no idea what you are saying.


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