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India should get both F16 and Invest further in LCA. It's not a zero sum game and will help develop private aerospace ecosystem in India.

Though F16 orders will be dwindling, it will still be larger than LCAs and will help improve manufacturing in India. Just need to watch out for screw driver giri.
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F-16 will be screwdriver giri.
But
1. It will be a contract that the new POTUS will have to earn. The implications are geostrategic as well as military
2. F-16 will have techs, which will add to Indian aerospace industry knowledge base, no matter what people say
3. It does help IAF's declining numbers, helps boost numbers with single engined planes

If there were a Congress I government at the center, one would fear the worst. But the BJP is working towards a goal here.
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Hitesh wrote:India should not fall for this. Lockheed is so scared of the LCA program that they want to kill it by offering illusory promises of local manufacturing when they know that the market for the F-16s is dead or beginning to dwindle.
Its got nothing to do with the LCA program. The F-16 line is closing down in either case. LM can still make money off it by getting India to buy in.. or scrap it and get nothing. How attractive an industrial offer they make will be determined by how fierce the competition is, which in this case is the Saab offering.

Yes India should scrap any F-16 ambitions* it may have but do so because its a bad idea not because its part of a conspiracy against the Tejas.

(*Only one US aircraft worth making a play for.. and its not the F-16.)
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WHY this post in this thread because it is published The Washington Post. The paper with strong influence over Democratic administrations.

Why India-Pakistan could be a big headache for the next U.S. president
By: Barkha Dutt
In an election campaign that has made Donald Trump look like a crazy, self-imploding clown, here are two statements the Republican presidential nominee has made that are indisputably true. The first was his observation that airports in the United States are like those in a (so-called) “Third World country.” The second was his comment that the India-Pakistan equation is a “very, very hot tinderbox.”

Indians and Pakistanis who agree on nothing these days found themselves nervously giggling in unison at Trump’s offer to “mediate” between the two countries. But unwittingly the bombastic candidate actually flagged one of the foreign policy challenges that could necessitate the next U.S. president’s early attention.

In the likely event of a Hillary Clinton win, her administration will no longer be able to count on New Delhi displaying what is known as strategic restraint; Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has dramatically altered the traditional Pakistan doctrine with several high-risk firsts. None of the old rules apply.

Modi’s electoral campaign in 2014 mercilessly mocked India’s previous Congress government for being too soft on Pakistan and promised a muscular response to Islamabad-backed terrorists; his boasting of having a 56-inch chest came to be the ultimate metaphor for his government’s machismo. But armed with the largest political victory by any prime minister in 30 years, Modi in fact ended up displaying an audacious appetite for gambling on peace instead.

In May 2014, in a historic first, Modi invited Pakistan’s Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to his oath-taking ceremony. In December 2015, he showed the kind of dramatic gumption no leader before him had when he made a surprise unscheduled visit to Lahore to wish Sharif well on his birthday. When this trip was followed by a terrorist attack on an Indian air force installation, he held his nerve and allowed Pakistani investigators, including one from the Pakistani spy agency ISI, to visit the military base- another contentious first.

After these initiatives failed, Modi channeled the same capacity for taking perilous but strong-willed chances by turning hard line on Pakistan. The policy shift came earlier this year during a two-month period of civilian unrest in the Kashmir Valley spurred on by the killing of a local militant, Burhan Wani. The Modi government saw the internal dimension of anger and alienation as distinct from Pakistan’s fueling of the fire. A ratcheted-up campaign by the Sharif government to present Wani on the international stage as a sort of victim-hero prompted a furious India to underscore human rights violations by Pakistan in its own province of Baluchistan. Modi railed against these atrocities while addressing the nation on India’s Independence Day in the presence of the global diplomatic corps. This was a radical departure from the policy of all previous governments; India was challenging not just Pakistan, but China as well — the province is critical for Beijing’s proposed $46 billion economic corridor that seeks to connect Xinjiang to the Gwadar port in Balochistan.

Then came the attack on an army camp in Kashmir in which 19 Indian soldiers were killed. Eleven days later, in the first such acknowledgment of its kind, the Modi government went public with the fact that special forces commandos had crossed the line of control (a military control line that serves as the de facto frontier separating Kashmir on the Indian side from the Pakistani side) to conduct surgical strikes on terror launchpads from where the Pakistani military facilitates the crossing over of armed infiltrators into Indian territory.

This is now India’s new normal — an attempt to increase the cost of terrorism for Pakistan and call out what many in Modi’s party called the “nuclear bogey.” The conventional wisdom of ‘nuclear deterrence’ — that fears of escalation between two nuclear powers would hold back India from an officially owned punitive response to terrorism — has been openly challenged.

India’s message was not just for Pakistan but also for countries such as the United States that have long counted on the deterrence theory to manage regional tensions. Writers including George Perkovich and Toby Dalton (“Not War, Not Peace“) have argued that that a military counterattack by India could escalate to “destruction beyond imagination” but that has not happened — at least so far. The theater of conflict is currently confined to Jammu and Kashmir along the 124 mile-long international border and the 450-mile stretch of the line of control where a 13-year-old cease-fire is under threat. Mortar fire has returned to areas where even small-arms weapons had fallen more or less silent.


How will (and should) the United States respond if the Indo-Pak border flares up further? Another terror strike on India’s mainland could send all calculations awry.

In contrast to Trump’s vague generalizations, Clinton has a keen understanding of how Pakistan’s “deep state” has for decades used terrorism as a virtual weapon of asymmetric warfare against India. In June 2014, Clinton told me in an interview that elements within the Pakistani Army and its main spy agency, the ISI, “were under the mistaken view that having these kinds of proxies vis-à-vis India, vis-à-vis Afghanistan was in Pakistan’s interests, not just the military’s interest, but in their sovereign interest.” She went on to compare this to “keeping poisonous snakes in your backyard expecting they will only bite your neighbor’’ as a commentary on how jihadists and obscurantists had begun to devour Pakistan from the inside.


As secretary of state, Clinton announced a $10 million bounty for information leading to the arrest of Hafiz Saeed, key architect of the terrorist attacks in Mumbai on Nov. 26, 2008 and the Pakistan-based head of the Lakshar-e-Taiba. One-hundred and sixty-six people were killed in the 72-hour siege, including six Americans. Clinton told me she was struck by how “difficult” it must have been for India to show “restraint” after the attacks.

That restraint can no longer be taken for granted — that’s India’s messaging to Washington. Given Clinton’s proud mention of monitoring the operation that took out Osama bin Laden from his hideout in Pakistan (“While you were hosting ‘Celebrity Apprentice,’ Donald”), there is an expectation in India that she will bring some of her famed hawkishness to her administration’s Pakistan policy. No blank checks on military aid; stringent economic pressure to shut down terror groups; and a foreign policy grammar that doesn’t club India and Pakistan together, or worse, separate them only by a hyphen.

In September, in a closed-door Virginia fundraiser, Clinton warned of the dangers of a jihadist coup in Pakistan and the possibility of “suicide nuclear bombers.” She gets it. Which means in her early days in the Oval Office, Clinton may need to do some plain-speaking with Pakistan much sooner than she had bargained for.
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^^ a few days back NDTV reporter was "heckled" by trump supporter and now Barkha bibi doing the bidding for HRC ....reminds me of entry song of Rock ...."if you smell ..what the rock is cooking".. influencing NRIs, and possibly being indian NYT's ...few gems below

"In contrast to Trump’s vague generalizations, Clinton has a keen understanding of how Pakistan’s “deep state” has for decades used terrorism as a virtual weapon of asymmetric warfare against India. In June 2014, Clinton told me in an interview that elements within the Pakistani Army and its main spy agency, the ISI, “were under the mistaken view that having these kinds of proxies vis-à-vis India, vis-à-vis Afghanistan was in Pakistan’s interests, not just the military’s interest, but in their sovereign interest.” She went on to compare this to “keeping poisonous snakes in your backyard expecting they will only bite your neighbor’’ as a commentary on how jihadists and obscurantists had begun to devour Pakistan from the inside.
" really!!!
"As secretary of state, Clinton announced a $10 million bounty for information leading to the arrest of Hafiz Saeed, key architect of the terrorist attacks in Mumbai on Nov. 26, 2008 and the Pakistan-based head of the Lakshar-e-Taiba. One-hundred and sixty-six people were killed in the 72-hour siege, including six Americans. Clinton told me she was struck by how “difficult” it must have been for India to show “restraint” after the attacks." Oh how compassionate of her to completely forget the NATO Afghan calculus and empathise with poor slumdogs of Mumbai....

After being influenced by Darghah Butt ...I am telling everyone to vote for HRC....
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A little dated, but infoed.

US Air Force: Tech Transfer Issues Key to F-16 Production Line Move to India
The issue of technology transfer is likely to be the sticking point on whether the US government sanctions the potential move of Lockheed Martin’s F-16 production line to India, the US Air Force’s top civilian said Wednesday.

Fresh off an August trip to the Asia-Pacific region with stops at India, Singapore, Indonesia and the Philippines, US Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James told reporters she discussed the possible sales of F-16s and Navy F/A-18s with Indian defense officials to help promote the US defense industry and further military cooperation between the two nations. Both Lockheed and Boeing, which produces the F/A-18, have proposed moving production to India in the hopes of attracting new sales of two fighter jets whose days are numbered.

James said her discussions with Indian Secretary of Defense Production Ashok Kumar Gupta, Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha and Vice Chief of Air Staff Air Marshal Birender Singh Dhanoa did not go into the details of the industry proposals. However, the talks did touch on technology transfer issues, something that she said was seen as crucial for finalizing a possible deal.

“Obviously technology transfer is something that India is really, really hoping for [and] looking for,” she said. “So how much we're able to work through will probably be a key determinant.

“And also I think a key determinant in what India ultimately ends up doing will relate to the Make in India part — how many jobs, what sorts of technologies might transfer,” she said, referring to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s effort to expand the country’s manufacturing sector.

Boeing and Lockheed have made buying fighter jets a condition of any possible deal to move production to India. The country is also considering other fighter jets, such as Saab’s Gripen and the Eurofighter Typhoon. Notably, James said Indian officials did not express interest in the US Air Force’s newest fighter, the F-35, which has amassed 10 international customers so far.

She added that she did not expect India to come to a decision for at least a year.

Given the age of the aircraft and the focus on selling the F-35, it makes sense that Lockheed would be willing to move its production line in exchange for one last big sale, said Richard Aboulafia, an aerospace analyst with the Teal Group. However, the Indian government has been continuously indecisive, making a deal unlikely, he said.

On the US side, it could be a tech transfer issue” that keeps a deal from happening, “but I doubt it,” he said. “I think in the US, they’ve realized that this stuff is not exactly F-22 territory. The bigger issue is just Indian contracting uncertainty.”

Outsourcing elements of production, or even creating a separate line, is not a novel move, he said. In the past Lockheed has established such agreements with F-16 customers such as Turkey, South Korea and, most ambitiously, with Japan’s F-2 — an F-16 derivative that split manufacturing between Lockheed and Mitsubishi.

Defense News
Indian Defence Ministry Seeks Greater US Industrial Ties

Although current F-16 deliveries end in 2017, the company believes it will be able to net further foreign sales to sustain the production line until 2021, Randy Howard, Lockheed’s director of F-16 business development, said in an emailed response.

Asked whether moving the production line would become prohibitively expensive after that point, Howard said Lockheed was confident it would be able to set up a line in India when given the go-ahead, although the timeline would depend “on a number of factors.”

Negotiations with the US and Indian governments are ongoing, but if a deal is reached, Lockheed may also be willing to expand Indian companies’ participation in the program at a supplier level, he said.

“Under our current proposal, Lockheed Martin is offering India the exclusive opportunity to produce, operate and export F-16 Block 70 aircraft,” he said. “We also foresee significant Indian participation in the F-16 supply chain based on Indian industry’s capacity to offer best-value F-16 supply chain options.
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IMO, there is no percentage in continuing to dho..shi.. about the Lockheed offer. If indeed there is an Indian manufacturing line for Block 70 F-16s, and it draws significantly on Indian-sourced parts, it is up to the Banias to turn that Supply Chain capability to support Indian-designed aircraft such as EllCeeYay in large numbers and low cost. This may be the best deal to get Injun-made injins of advanced capabilities, if handled intelligently. Will need some iron-willed technocrats steering the program accompanied by the sharpest of the sharp Banias.

The best outcome would be an export order for a large number of EllCeeYays to YooEss / Central/South America as quid pro quo. But this will bring serious ulcers in the US about manufacturing moving offshore in a critical area. I don't know the answer there, and am pretty surprised to see this offer. Maybe Lockheed figures that they are going to have to choose between F-16 and F-35 manufacturing in the US, and they have to find a way to beat Boeing's F-18 ambitions. Plus maybe the writing is on the wall as far as Turkish collaboration is concerned.

BTW, wonder what happened to the Boeing Guppy design for JSF, maybe with the GE version of the F-135 engine?
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^^^^^^

per wiki........

In 2005, the Boeing X-32A was transferred to the National Museum of the United States Air Force near Dayton, Ohio. Its condition deteriorated due to being outside for several years following the end of the JSF competition, but it is now indoors and planned to be restored.[citation needed]
The X-32B was transferred to the Patuxent River Naval Air Museum adjacent to NAS Patuxent River in St. Mary's County, Maryland in 2005.[20] It underwent restoration at the museum's restoration facility in June 2009 and is now on display.

on thing is for sure, Boeing has other irons in the fire. always have always will......or else they die.
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Boeing is into next gen airlifter with blended body, kc 767 not exactly starving. Like amazon ecomm vs aws they can use civilian side of shop to subsidize military side as needed.
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TSJones wrote:what Lockmart is afraid of is a dead end product line which the f-16 most certainly is.

no stealthski. gotta nice weapons suite though.
We don't need the F-16s to get the nice weapons suite. The weapons suite can be adapted to many platforms including the LCAs. If Lockheed Martin was smart, it would immediately offer the weapon suite as a complimentary package to the LCA program and offer manufacturing expertise and LM can earn itself a nice tidy profit.

Same thing goes for SAAB. Instead of pushing the gripen platform, they should push for LCA Mk2 upgrades including a bigger and upgraded LCA platform with uprated engine, leading tech avionics and boost up local manufacturing and offer to partner up with AMCA and ask for a share in manufacturing of the AMCA in exchange for buying AMCA planes for its own air force. That would be the most attractive offer.
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Just wondering... Is Stealth that is stealthy at 2 - 5 GHz (microwave), also stealthy at 170 / 220 GHz (mmwave)? If not, I can understand why F-22/B-2 lines are not being continued.
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^^

Wire,Scroll,NDTV - Most of their rear ends are burning. Their first reaction to stop NGO is joining forces with ISI/US/Europe to call Modi Hilter.
Now want to abuse Modi for failure to stop him.

Modi had to bend little but there is a reason. None of these PRESSTITUTES like what he has done. They are trying now to use it show to all of us that he is weak.

We should not share the crap and spend our energy in abusing Modi. That's my view
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ranjan.rao wrote:^^ a few days back NDTV reporter was "heckled" by trump supporter and now Barkha bibi doing the bidding for HRC ....reminds me of entry song of Rock ...."if you smell ..what the rock is cooking".. influencing NRIs, and possibly being indian NYT's ...few gems below

"In contrast to Trump’s vague generalizations, Clinton has a keen understanding of how Pakistan’s “deep state” has for decades used terrorism as a virtual weapon of asymmetric warfare against India. In June 2014, Clinton told me in an interview that elements within the Pakistani Army and its main spy agency, the ISI, “were under the mistaken view that having these kinds of proxies vis-à-vis India, vis-à-vis Afghanistan was in Pakistan’s interests, not just the military’s interest, but in their sovereign interest.” She went on to compare this to “keeping poisonous snakes in your backyard expecting they will only bite your neighbor’’ as a commentary on how jihadists and obscurantists had begun to devour Pakistan from the inside.
" really!!!
"As secretary of state, Clinton announced a $10 million bounty for information leading to the arrest of Hafiz Saeed, key architect of the terrorist attacks in Mumbai on Nov. 26, 2008 and the Pakistan-based head of the Lakshar-e-Taiba. One-hundred and sixty-six people were killed in the 72-hour siege, including six Americans. Clinton told me she was struck by how “difficult” it must have been for India to show “restraint” after the attacks." Oh how compassionate of her to completely forget the NATO Afghan calculus and empathise with poor slumdogs of Mumbai....

After being influenced by Darghah Butt ...I am telling everyone to vote for HRC....
same arguments used by Indians in 90s. The trailer park trash of India has nor evolved from 1990s.

1. Clintons would support Pakis whether it is Khalistan or Kashmir terrorism. Every Indian American would support it saying otherwise Pakis will be Iranian hands.

My question to Darkha Butt

Which jail Hafez Saeed is in now? Guantana Mo bay?
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http://swarajyamag.com/insta/greenpeace-sought-top-hillary-aides-help-to-tackle-modi-regimes-restrictions-wikileaks
On 22 October, WikiLeaks released an email discussion where Greenpeace sought the help of John Podesta, top Hillary Clinton aide and her 2016 campaign manager, to help the organisation after the government led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi levied controls on the funding of the environmental organisation.
The discussion on the situation of Greenpeace in India took place between Podesta and Karen Sack, Managing Director of Ocean Unite, a non-governmental organisation that works towards ocean conservation, who had earlier worked with Greenpeace.

One of the mails concerned was a conversation that took place on 26 May 2015, where Sack wrote to Podesta:

I have had a request from some colleagues at Greenpeace as they are facing a very serious situation in India. In a nutshell: an Indian Intelligence Bureau report was “leaked” alleging Greenpeace India was responsible for a loss of 2-3% of the country’s GDP. Since then the Ministry of Home Affairs has kept up a relentless attack of allegations of irregularities in their registration and has now frozen all their bank accounts, both foreign and domestic, despite a Delhi High Court ruling there was no basis for doing so. The bottom line is that without some kind of intervention, they will have to close down by the end of June. This has never happened to a Greenpeace office in the entire history of the organization…What’s going on in India is concerning. There are some interesting linkages between the coal industry there and in Australia. Adani — the coal billionaire from India is the person who plans to invest in building a coal port just near the Great Barrier Reef — which has people up in arms down under.
Podesta forwarded the conversation to the officials of Sandler Foundation – one of the chief funders of the Center for American Progress, a Democratic think tank founded by Podesta. Interestingly, Sandler Foundation also funded an environmental group in Australia that was opposing a mining project of the Adani Group.

Sergio Knaebel, Grant Director of Sandler Foundation, responded:

Adani is very close to Modi — so this will be a delicate diplomatic challenge…The situation for NGOs in Australia is also getting pretty serious. The Abbot government has set its sights on organizations fighting the expansion of coal and for protecting the reef — and is looking to withdraw charitable status and out foreign donors in an effort to cast the NGO’s work as foreign intervention. Same playbook as India (and Canada).
In order to show good intent, Podesta promised to put Kumi Naidoo, then International Executive Director of Greenpeace, in touch with his brother Tony Podesta, who heads the Podesta Group, one of the firms that lobbies for India in the United States. But the set emails have not revealed what steps were taken, if any.
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vijayk wrote:Wire,Scroll,NDTV - Most of their rear ends are burning. Their first reaction to stop NGO is joining forces with ISI/US/Europe to call Modi Hilter.
Now want to abuse Modi for failure to stop him.

Modi had to bend little but there is a reason. None of these PRESSTITUTES like what he has done. They are trying now to use it show to all of us that he is weak.

We should not share the crap and spend our energy in abusing Modi. That's my view
Good point.

I would like to call attention to something.

Ever since the "conventional wisdom" has come to predict that Hillary Clinton will win the US Presidential Election... with some anticipating a landslide victory... a lot of movement has been visible behind India's internal enemy lines. As if in preparation for the inevitable.

*Turdesai and Shagarika are now visiting professors at Georgetown University. Note: Georgetown University, Washington DC. Nobody goes to Georgetown unless they plan to be near America's center of political power and influence it or BE INFLUENCED by it (giving reports, taking orders etc.) in some way.

*Similarly, Barkha Dutt recently has been writing guest columns (about IndiaPakistan/Cashmere) in the Washington Post, based out of DC.

*Ford Foundation is being whitewashed and Modi's crackdown on the rampant forex violations of EJ-NGOs is being cast as a failed political vendetta, by the usual suspects within India. Expect Ford and its ilk to invest in manipulating the Punjab and UP elections, and in the upcoming post-Jayalalitha political environment of TN, in a big way.

*EJ, crypto-Christian IAS officials who were sent out to US universities for training during the Maino-MMS regime have returned to India and suddenly become very bold, publicly calling for providing missionary organizations with more access to convert vulnerable Hindus. More detail here: viewtopic.php?p=2062808#p2062808

It's as if the Breaking India Forces have recognized that the Mothership has landed (or is about to land) in Washington. They are positioning themselves to begin a fresh, newly empowered wave of assaults from Day 1. India must be vigilant.
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^^+101 AoA
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Rudradev wrote:
vijayk wrote:Wire,Scroll,NDTV - Most of their rear ends are burning. Their first reaction to stop NGO is joining forces with ISI/US/Europe to call Modi Hilter.
Now want to abuse Modi for failure to stop him.

Modi had to bend little but there is a reason. None of these PRESSTITUTES like what he has done. They are trying now to use it show to all of us that he is weak.

We should not share the crap and spend our energy in abusing Modi. That's my view
Good point.

I would like to call attention to something.

Ever since the "conventional wisdom" has come to predict that Hillary Clinton will win the US Presidential Election... with some anticipating a landslide victory... a lot of movement has been visible behind India's internal enemy lines. As if in preparation for the inevitable.

*Turdesai and Shagarika are now visiting professors at Georgetown University. Note: Georgetown University, Washington DC. Nobody goes to Georgetown unless they plan to be near America's center of political power and influence it or BE INFLUENCED by it (giving reports, taking orders etc.) in some way.

*Similarly, Barkha Dutt recently has been writing guest columns (about IndiaPakistan/Cashmere) in the Washington Post, based out of DC.

*Ford Foundation is being whitewashed and Modi's crackdown on the rampant forex violations of EJ-NGOs is being cast as a failed political vendetta, by the usual suspects within India. Expect Ford and its ilk to invest in manipulating the Punjab and UP elections, and in the upcoming post-Jayalalitha political environment of TN, in a big way.

*EJ, crypto-Christian IAS officials who were sent out to US universities for training during the Maino-MMS regime have returned to India and suddenly become very bold, publicly calling for providing missionary organizations with more access to convert vulnerable Hindus. More detail here: viewtopic.php?p=2062808#p2062808

It's as if the Breaking India Forces have recognized that the Mothership has landed (or is about to land) in Washington. They are positioning themselves to begin a fresh, newly empowered wave of assaults from Day 1. India must be vigilant.
Agree.

UP elections will be a Kurushetra

BIF + Hillary + Crusaders + Islamists + ISI + PRESSTITUTES + CONs biggest war on BJP/Modi.

I wonder how much MAD is aware of the fight.

The whole Intolerance 2.0 campaign is to link Raj Thackrey to Mumbai to Maha CM to RSS to BJP to Modi

Modi and his folks, they need to preempt some of these folks: Get whatever dirt on them and expose them ahead not after they start the song and dance.

Until some of them are exposed of black money/money laundering or emails leaked of crimes... they will be regrouping to wage a war
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Some thoughts based on the discussion above.

1. IIRC, Om baba too came to office with Kashmir being top of his agenda. The great murican hope for the Bakis. The Bakis believed that since he had eaten Baki dal/chawal he owed them one in return. Haven't heard much on Kashmir from him yet.

2. Turd, Saggy and Da Butt's message is not finding much resonance within India. Heck even NDTV pulled back on one program involving PC. It might have been a tactical move but it certainly means that the space for these turds narrative is shrinking within India. So the are searching for newer pastures where they can ply their bizness. Nothing wrong in that.

3. Any way we have many many like them already inside the US university circuit like at the Haas group (hope this is right) and likes of Amartya Sen. If the existing worthies couldn't do much besides occasionally embarrassing India what more could these worthies do? They can certainly provide better ground intelligence and contacts but my guess is that they are already doing so. No big deal.

4. Fraud foundation is now registered in India under FEMA(??) and will have to account annually for the money spent in India. They are not going to risk their registration by any overt political funding. For underhand/covert funding they do not need an Indian registration or an Indian office. There is the US embassy and there are other means of funneling money to elections. Registration does not add or subtract from the situation.
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Remains to be seen.

Beyond the exultation of hard-won freedom, there is a foreboding in the air, as the red sandstone battlements sizzle in the quiet heat, and the horizon ripples with the promise of unseen retribution on its way.

Is Modi's ascension of May 26, '14 a victory built to last? Or will it end like the victory of the brave 3rd Cavalry, that-- almost exactly 157 years before-- overthrew the Meerut garrison's white masters and rode to Delhi to enthrone the hapless Zafar?
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Moved to Understanding US thread.
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^^^^^^^ :eek: With all respect, Adminullahji, this is the wrong thread for this... could u move it to the Yoo Ess dhaga pls?
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Rudradev wrote:

*Turdesai and Shagarika are now visiting professors at Georgetown University. Note: Georgetown University, Washington DC. Nobody goes to Georgetown unless they plan to be near America's center of political power and influence it or BE INFLUENCED by it (giving reports, taking orders etc.) in some way.
Georgetown is also the Alma-e-mater of Huma bibi.
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Ulanbatori dada, was going through emals posted on Wi key liks. Interesting facts on how they look at desh, big samrajiya of anal ists to monitor and look after desh government orgs. Big heart burn over desh not selecting massa fighters for MMRCA, missile program. HA is almost right hand , many ABCP (Pakis) monitoring the desh information so you can imagine. Hate Jairam Ramesh bloody sucker
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Atmavik wrote:Georgetown is also the Alma-e-mater of Huma bibi.
And (Un)Fair didi..isn't she a tenured professor there?
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krishna_krishna wrote: Big heart burn over desh not selecting massa fighters for MMRCA.
Not very different from what we have been seeing here at BRF in dhaagas spanning from "Military Issues" to "Indo-US relations", isn't it?

I can only imagine what will happen if GoI (miraculously) rejects F-solah as probable future IAF system..
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Kashi wrote:
Atmavik wrote:Georgetown is also the Alma-e-mater of Huma bibi.
And (Un)Fair didi..isn't she a tenured professor there?
Yes she is. one of my friends joined this U to do a Sports mgmt course. he now says it was the biggest rip off..
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One more clue from wi- key -leeks emails , if H C comes India - pak -bangla would be placed in one category. See big time funding in bangla along with napakis, they seems to have ways to control news outreach in pakis (and other places I assume) to change perception by promoting certain news items and decreasing priority of certain news items. Putin is hated to core, would have to see how this plays out.
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Guidance for those who do not seem to understand what kind of issues ought to be posted in this thread.

US tit on India’s Avian Influenza influenced restrictions on Poultry products is met with India’s tat that US is not meeting WTO appellate stipulations on Hot Rolled Steel:


India, US trade barbs at WTO dispute settlement : US questions implementation measures announced by India last month for removing avian influenza restrictions
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I was the first one on the Single engined Fighter thread to say that my money is on F-16 getting the deal, but if the MIC has limited control over HRC's policies, then I think we should look elsewhere.

My Gut feel is Modi will wait a year to gauge HRC before making a decision.
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The O'Bomber-JoKerry foreign poilicy legacy. Expect the same from Shrillary C if she enters the White House as she wants Joe Biden of UKR fame to be the next Sec. of State!
Kerry Legacy: Middle East Chaos, New Russia Cold War, Corporate Free Reign © Sputnik/ Vitaliy Belousov

POLITICS 06:34 28.10.2016
Delivering a speech at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, current US Secretary of State John Kerry proudly detailed his accomplishments during the last four years of President Barack Obama’s administration. On his Loud & Clear program, Radio Sputnik’s Brian Becker discussed with analysts highlights of that speech, and Kerry’s legacy.

‘The Tiger Hasn’t Changed Its Stripes’: US Continues Creating Global Conflicts Guests on the program, Sputnik Radio producer Walter Smolarek, and Jeremy Kuzmarov, a history professor at the University of Tulsa, offered in their conversation with Becker that Kerry’s assertions do not match his policies. “John Kerry has left a trail of destruction in his wake,” Smolarek said, in reference to the diplomat’s policy moves in both Iraq and Syria. Interestingly, Becker remarked, in the 2004 presidential election, Democrat Kerry ran against Republican George W. Bush, as a peace candidate, capitalizing on Bush’s unpopularity for waging the Iraq War. “[Kerry] presided over the escalation of the US presence in the Middle East,” Smolarek added. “There weren’t these thousands of US soldiers in Iraq, when Kerry became the Secretary of State. But now there are 6,000 American soldiers in Iraq.” Kerry, in pushing for aid to Syrian rebels, created chaos in the region. Now, however, Kerry and Washington have rejected their earlier stance, attempting to shift the blame to Russia for bombings and waging a proxy war, Kuzmarov suggested. © FLICKR/ DVIDSHUB 'Anaconda Plan?' Why US Efforts to Encircle Russia With Bases are Meaningless The professor added that the new Kerry narrative, portraying Russia as an enemy, is “very simplistic,” and is “feeding the new Cold War.” “US foreign policy toward Russia should be critically scrutinized, including the expansion of NATO, and the US involvement in Ukraine,” Kuzmarov said. “All of Obama’s policies have antagonized Russia.” Smolarek observed that increased militarization by the US is rooted in the Republican might-have-been “new American century” that Washington, under President Bush, hoped would flower following the collapse of the former Soviet Union. “Now that the threat of [Communist] revolution happening, or potential for a country in the third world to realign with alternative [nations] has more or less disappeared, there is a weakening of US ability to control its rivals, when we see Saudi Arabia and Israel distancing themselves from the US, at a certain degree,” Smolarek said. “I think the US is insecure about this.” Kerry devoted a large part of his Chicago speech to the extremely unpopular Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) deal, a deregulation trade treaty negotiated in unprecedented secrecy, that would economically shackle the US with South Asian nations, and distance that alliance from China.

Rejecting TPP Deal Would Hinder US Ability to Advance Objectives in Asia Pacific - Kerry “TPP was considered a means to undercut Chinese influence in the Asia-Pacific and draw those countries more into an American orbit,” Kuzmarov said. “It’s surprising, but it’s in line with the Asia Pivot policy and tends to project US power in the Pacific. It’s the policy the US has adopted over the last hundred years.” However, Wikileaks revelations, alongside the revelation of the startling giveaway of sovereign rights by the signatories, have threatened to derail the agreement, revealing that the deal will increase the exploitation of workers on both sides of the Pacific, and isolate China. “The details are never made public,” Smolarek said, adding that powerful multinational corporate special interest groups, enjoying a privileged status within the process, understand the sweeping nature of the TPP. “This is affront to democracy,” Kuzmarov said of the deregulation treaty, adding that both presidential candidates, “have been forced to disavow it because it’s so unbelievably unpopular.”

Waning Influence: Washington Losing Its Grip and Its Allies in Asia Pacific
Kuzmarov said that the renewed push for the TPP during Kerry’s Chicago speech, “shows that Kerry is out of touch with the sentiments in the US that led to support of alternative candidates, like Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.” Historically, the US has reinvigorated a weak American economy by increasing business ties with Asia-Pacific entities, the professor noted. “With these economic problems we have in the US, we see Kerry and other politicians repeating that historical tendency to look to Asia.” “But the world is changing. We see many people moving away from the American orbit. This agreement is deeply unpopular on both sides of the Pacific Ocean.” ... 50

Read more: https://sputniknews.com/politics/201610 ... ry-legacy/
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OK, something, finally, to look forward to. Some meaningful data:

Joe Biden on Clinton's Secretary of State list, sources say
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^^^Well...Holbrooke has passed, Halfbright too old and Robin Raphel has been exposed for a Paki spy. That said, Biden is the same fellow who accused Indians of running all the Dunkin Donuts in Deleware.
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Huma may be good choice. Peaceful will love her and great for the multicultural thing. One problem may be both are more than friends as per a rumor.
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UlanBatori wrote:Just wondering... Is Stealth that is stealthy at 2 - 5 GHz (microwave), also stealthy at 170 / 220 GHz (mmwave)? If not, I can understand why F-22/B-2 lines are not being continued.
old airplanes. we got new stuff in the pipeline.

http://www.dodbuzz.com/2015/01/28/penta ... n-fighter/

idle hands are the devil's workshop. :)
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Mort Walker wrote:^^^Well...Holbrooke has passed, Halfbright too old and Robin Raphel has been exposed for a Paki spy. That said, Biden is the same fellow who accused Indians of running all the Dunkin Donuts in Deleware.
Worse than that, Mort-ji. The so-called "Kerry-Lugar" bill, guaranteeing vast US financial aid to Pakistan (and freeing up their resources for military use against India), was in fact founded by Joe Biden. His name wasn't on it because he became VP of the US by the time the bill was passed.

Biden was also responsible for the brilliant idea to announce a schedule for the draw-down of US troops from Afghanistan, almost from the first day of the Obama administration... so that the Taliban and ISI would know exactly what to expect and when, and plan their recapture of Afghanistan accordingly.

This guy is going to be worse for India than John Kerry.
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The momeens of TOIlet are at it again ...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/unit ... 120665.cms
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My feel: by 2030ish the US GDP, as a percentage, globally, is going to shrink to about 12%, while India will increase to 6-7%, behind China, which is expected to be around 9-10%.

As a result, the only problem I see - if at all there is one - will be Indian. India, IMVVHO, needs to clean up her act and produce good leaders. Talk is easy - granted.

IMHO, the Bidens and Kerrys have stayed awake past their bed time. They will try - dogs bark, cats meow/growl. Not much anyone can do anything to a confident India.




Meanwhile #FlyTheW
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NRaoji, you worry about your massan desh, India is the oldest civilization on the world that has absorbed worse than any brexit colony and long before any of them came into existence. Civilization of satpasindhu has strength from within and even though whatever bad you see from time to time it has produced leaders that have kept it safe and prosperous.As they say in massan lingo "No Worries"
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