India-US relations: News and Discussions III

ranjan.rao · Post by **ranjan.rao** » 21 Mar 2017 07:24

UlanBatori wrote:
Bheeshma wrote:BS Unless you mean it will be fought in PoK. IA is geared towards taking the war into Aksai chin and inside Tibet. There is no NFU with china and they now it. Inside PoK we will need to fight both paki and chini troops.In either case US will not enter into direct conflict. Japan will soon start militarizing and I won't be surprized to see 2500-3000 km range missiles in their arsenal soon.
So good to read this. Along the same lines/same probability I am going to win the next PowerBall Lottery (870 million) and buy a whole chocolate factory and a pakistan to go with it,

on those lines you are batman..

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 21 Mar 2017 12:20

JE Menon wrote:Guys, enough with the "joos" "juice" and all the rest of it. If we want to talk about these things, do it correctly, straight and in the right thread. Just as we cannot say "chinks" or any other such thing.

I'm strongly seconding Ramana's cautioning post here...

Jewish is the righ word; not Jews which is taken as a pejorative. As you say, I too am against using these terms which are very hurtful to the Jewish to say the least.

GShankar · Post by **GShankar** » 21 Mar 2017 18:11

^^ Don't mean this as a trick question - On the same note, should we stop using words like sdre, paki, britshits, britpakis, sandniggers, gora, etc.? Or do we just reserve our straight handed ness to the jewish sentiments?

PS: If something is the writ of admins, then I am all for following it.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 21 Mar 2017 18:23

^^SDRE is a BRF invented term for ourselves, and I don't think anyone here has a problem with it. I don't remember anyone using "sandniggers" here and getting away with it for long. "Paki" - someone has written a dissertation here justifying the term. What's wrong with "gora" - doesn't it just mean foreigner guy? As for "brishits" and "britpaki" - I haven't seen those used anywhere outside of BRF. They are derogatory terms, but used with a lot of well-deserved affection and admins are tolerating it for now.

GShankar · Post by **GShankar** » 21 Mar 2017 18:31

They are derogatory terms, but used with a lot of well-deserved affection and admins are tolerating it for now.

Fine. I take it as the jewish people don't deserve other terms.

MLOT (my last on this).

arun · Post by **arun** » 21 Mar 2017 18:49

X Posted from the Indus Water Treaty thread.

Prem wrote:https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/193666 ... S-steps-in
ISLAMABAD: In a major development on the issue of lingering water dispute between Pakistan and India in accordance with the 1960 Indus Waters Treaty (IWT), the US has decided to arrange secretary level talks between the two countries in Washington next month for resolving issues relating to two controversial hydropower projects.These projects are 330MWs Kishanganga hydroelectric project and the under-construction 850 MWs Ratle hydroelectric project in occupied Jammu & Kashmir on which Pakistan has serious reservations.Briefing the media here on Monday, Federal Minister for Power and Khawaja Asif said: “The US has intervened and decided to help both the countries to resolve the issue. There will be secretary level talks on the Ratle and Kishanganga hydropower projects between both the countries in Washington on April 11-13 2017.”

If the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan's Minister for Power ,Khawaja Asif, is to be believed then I am shocked that Government of India has permitted the US to intervene in a bilateral affair between US and the Islamic Republic like the IWT. Given that Pakistani's are inveterate liars, I am more inclined to believe this claim of US involvement is a fabrication by the Islamic Republic. Anyway mid April is not to far way. Wait and watch.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 21 Mar 2017 19:02

That is not what he said. Clearly, JEM explained each of the term and why that is not the equivalent to juice or whatever. Tagging groups with an alternate name is generally not nice. Tagging ethnicity - something that they are born with and cannot change is pushing it.

paki is a state of mind and thus not an ethnic slur / racist term (although it is used as such in UK)

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 21 Mar 2017 19:04

Prem wrote:http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... vfCOL.html
NSA Ajit Doval to go on four-day US tour to discuss on terrorism
National Security Adviser Ajit Doval will leave for a four-day tour to Washington this week to discuss the stability of the Afghanistan-Pakistan region in the backdrop of a Taliban resurgence and rise of the Islamic State in Nangarhar province as well as to share notes on developments in China and West Asia.Doval will be away from Tuesday to Sunday, with Thursday and Friday scheduled for official engagements. South Block officials said Doval will meet his US counterpart HR McMaster for the first time as well as defence secretary James Mattis, with a possibility of President Donald Trump dropping by during official meetings at the White House. The NSA’s visit and meeting with his US counterpart were fixed when foreign secretary S Jaishankar visited Washington earlier this month.After Doval, minister for defence and finance Arun Jaitley is expected to attend the IMF-World Bank spring meetings in Washington from April 21 to 23. US secretary of state Rex Tilerson will be in India for a bilateral strategic and commercial dialogue along with other ministers from the Trump administration.Dates are being discussed for Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s meeting with President Trump in Washington. Modi will meet Trump at a G20 meeting in Hamburg on July 7-8, after which he will embark on his maiden two-day visit to Israel.
South Block sources said Doval will call for the US to enhance its military presence in Afghanistan, with China, Russia, Pakistan and Iran foreseeing a larger role for the Taliban to take on the rise of the Islamic State. Last month, Afghanistan and India were at odds with the China-led group as both felt the Taliban was detrimental to the stability of the regime in Kabul.New Delhi feels the Islamic State of Wilayat Khorasan is being propped up by Pakistan and Iran’s agencies to accord credibility to the Taliban. Other West Asian nations are worried about Iran’s role in the region and in Afghanistan, a fact conveyed to Doval by his counterparts during a visit to Kuwait last week.With both Mattis and McMaster having battlefield experience in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region, Doval will discuss the recent spate of terrorist attacks in the region, with Pakistan’s Punjab emerging as the new theatre of terror. India is worried about Islamabad, with terror groups such as Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan taking on the Pakistani Army and hitting at soft targets in Punjab and Sindh.The role of China in pushing for an economic corridor to the Gwadar port as well as its ever-expanding interests in South Asia, particularly Sri Lanka and Maldives, will also be in sharp focus during the meetings.

Something simmering on the back burner.
"Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement that will give the militaries of the two countries access to each other's facilities for supplies and repairs" Some legwork for future activities?
LEMOA

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 21 Mar 2017 19:07

Since this will affect many travellers from Desh,
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/arti ... re-devices
"U.S. to Force Fliers From 10 Mideast Airports to Store Devices"

The Department of Homeland Security issued an emergency directive at 3 a.m. New York time Tuesday to carriers that fly between the airports located in eight countries and the U.S. Any electronic device larger than a mobile phone -- such as laptop computers and portable DVD players -- will have to go in the airplane’s cargo hold in a move to address potential security threats, according to administration officials who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity Monday evening.

The airports are located in Jordan, Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Morocco.

Among the nine airlines that will have to comply are three Persian Gulf-area carriers that have grown rapidly in recent years, Emirates, Etihad Airways PJSC and Qatar Airways Ltd. The major U.S. airlines frequently complain that the three Gulf carriers have used generous government subsidies to buy airplanes and compete unfairly.

Other airlines affected by the rule are: Royal Jordanian, EgyptAir, Turkish Airlines, Saudia Airlines, Kuwait Airways and Royal Air Maroc.

The U.S. began talking with affected airlines Sunday, one U.S. official on the briefing call said. Airlines will have 96 hours to comply with the directive, and airlines that refuse could see their authority to fly to the U.S. revoked.

The affected airports are: Queen Alia International Airport, Cairo International Airport, Ataturk International Airport, King Abdulaziz International Airport, King Khalid International Airport, Kuwait International Airport, Mohammed V Airport, Hamad International Airport, Dubai International Airport, and Abu Dhabi International Airport.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 21 Mar 2017 19:30

Garooda wrote: "Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement that will give the militaries of the two countries access to each other's facilities for supplies and repairs" Some legwork for future activities?
LEMOA

"Ships Of US Navy 7th Fleet That Once Threatened India In 1971 Will Now Be Repaired In Gujarat"

http://www.indiatimes.com/news/india/sh ... 71478.html

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 21 Mar 2017 19:39

Cosmo_R wrote:
Garooda wrote: "Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement that will give the militaries of the two countries access to each other's facilities for supplies and repairs" Some legwork for future activities?
LEMOA
"Ships Of US Navy 7th Fleet That Once Threatened India In 1971 Will Now Be Repaired In Gujarat"
http://www.indiatimes.com/news/india/sh ... 71478.html

Agree as others have screwed India royally in the past too. Not much can be done about it at this point as we gather what we can and move on. Such is the world History.

GShankar · Post by **GShankar** » 21 Mar 2017 21:37

Gus wrote:That is not what he said. Clearly, JEM explained each of the term and why that is not the equivalent to juice or whatever. Tagging groups with an alternate name is generally not nice. Tagging ethnicity - something that they are born with and cannot change is pushing it.

paki is a state of mind and thus not an ethnic slur / racist term (although it is used as such in UK)

May be you did not understand (or understood it differently) the line I quoted about some derogatory terms being used with lots of affection.

In any case, hereinafter the said ppl would be referred by me as yoodhar. Tamil reference to the rescue. Hope it will be fine with admins.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 21 Mar 2017 22:35

Do you have a problem referring to them as Jews or Jewish? I'm curious about this seeming discomfort, if any.

Not that I have an issue with Yoodhar, we call them Yehudis here too, just as we refer to ourselves also as Yindoos.

GShankar · Post by **GShankar** » 21 Mar 2017 22:37

To be honest, I have no problem referring as jews/jewish. However my personal opinion is that they also deserve some of our affectionate names. Since that is not being allowed, I am fine with sticking to the guidelines.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 21 Mar 2017 23:49

Paki is derogatory only when used by Brish!t and other ignorant tribes, referring to all brown-skinned people (which paradoxically excludes TFTA Pakis). Pakiness is indeed a state of ~~mind~~intracranial sewage. Honorary designation recognizing exceptional achievement.

BTW, what's with this no-laptop-in-cabin? Isn't an ied mubarak by another name, and placed in the hold, equally had? Have pakis figured out how to get a machinegun or knives into a laptop? Interesting thing to do to bijnej-class flyers. Activities leading to membership (no pun intended) in the Mile High Club are dissed these days. And Texas bans ********** too - what the heck else is left to do on planes, hain? READ BOOKS?

GShankar · Post by **GShankar** » 22 Mar 2017 00:20

Aren't airports neutral territory? at least some sections of international airports? So texas restrictions might have a grey area there (literally speaking of course

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g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 22 Mar 2017 04:25

Even Sputnik has noticed that Shri Doval is going to Amreeka.
https://sputniknews.com/asia/2017032110 ... nsa-visit/
Daesh, Logistics Deal Top Indian NSA’s To-Do List For US Visit
National Security Advisor Ajit Doval is set to leave on a four-day US visit from Tuesday to discuss the Indo-US logistics exchange agreement, the increasing Daesh influence in Afghanistan, Chinese assertiveness in the seas and cross-border terrorism among other topics.
New Delhi (Sputnik) — During his visit, Indian National Security Advisor Ajit Doval will meet US Defense Secretary James Mattis and his counterpart HR McMaster.
......
Gautam

komal · Post by **komal** » 22 Mar 2017 04:30

UlanBatori wrote:Paki is derogatory only when used by Brish!t and other ignorant tribes, referring to all brown-skinned people (which paradoxically excludes TFTA Pakis). Pakiness is indeed a state of ~~mind~~intracranial sewage. Honorary designation recognizing exceptional achievement.

BTW, what's with this no-laptop-in-cabin? Isn't an ied mubarak by another name, and placed in the hold, equally had? Have pakis figured out how to get a machinegun or knives into a laptop? Interesting thing to do to bijnej-class flyers.

Not to worry --- Pakis can fly with laptops and are still not part of the Mooslim ban. We have enlightened leadership in the USA that knows Pakis are also victims of terrorism.

The Great Donald will sacrifice the lives of elderly Americans so he can pay hundreds of millions of dollars to our ally in the Global War on Terrorism.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 22 Mar 2017 07:13

A_Gupta wrote:Since this will affect many travellers from Desh,
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/arti ... re-devices
"U.S. to Force Fliers From 10 Mideast Airports to Store Devices"
The Department of Homeland Security issued an emergency directive at 3 a.m. New York time Tuesday to carriers that fly between the airports located in eight countries and the U.S. Any electronic device larger than a mobile phone -- such as laptop computers and portable DVD players -- will have to go in the airplane’s cargo hold in a move to address potential security threats, according to administration officials who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity Monday evening.

The airports are located in Jordan, Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Morocco.

Among the nine airlines that will have to comply are three Persian Gulf-area carriers that have grown rapidly in recent years, Emirates, Etihad Airways PJSC and Qatar Airways Ltd. The major U.S. airlines frequently complain that the three Gulf carriers have used generous government subsidies to buy airplanes and compete unfairly.

Other airlines affected by the rule are: Royal Jordanian, EgyptAir, Turkish Airlines, Saudia Airlines, Kuwait Airways and Royal Air Maroc.

The U.S. began talking with affected airlines Sunday, one U.S. official on the briefing call said. Airlines will have 96 hours to comply with the directive, and airlines that refuse could see their authority to fly to the U.S. revoked.

The affected airports are: Queen Alia International Airport, Cairo International Airport, Ataturk International Airport, King Abdulaziz International Airport, King Khalid International Airport, Kuwait International Airport, Mohammed V Airport, Hamad International Airport, Dubai International Airport, and Abu Dhabi International Airport.

This is a case of dirty politics. The big losers are the Gulf based airlines that fly between the US and Asia, with a stop in Doha, Dubai and Abu Dhabi, that are sucking up business from US based airlines. Delta Airlines and the others have complained most loudly to the US govt. for a couple of years now. This is clearly a case of protectionism disguised as national security. US based carriers have steadily been losing business to the Gulf carriers. This will also reduce sales of the Airbus A380 too.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Mar 2017 07:16

I think ppl adjust and carry on. Hardly anyone uses laptop in short 4 hr gaps in dubai.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Mar 2017 07:27

Well... Poodlestan followed His Master's Voice. INCLUDING British Airways! So I think there is a slight problem with the Dirty Protectionism thesis unless Les Unmentionables convinced Mays Bibi ul Poodlestan to commit hara kiri.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 22 Mar 2017 07:30

Poodlestan gets roped in like WMDs in Eye-rack. Makes it all look plausible.

KL Dubey · Post by **KL Dubey** » 22 Mar 2017 07:31

Mort Walker wrote:
This is a case of dirty politics. The big losers are the Gulf based airlines that fly between the US and Asia, with a stop in Doha, Dubai and Abu Dhabi, that are sucking up business from US based airlines. Delta Airlines and the others have complained most loudly to the US govt. for a couple of years now. This is clearly a case of protectionism disguised as national security. US based carriers have steadily been losing business to the Gulf carriers. This will also reduce sales of the Airbus A380 too.

In this case, I do not think this is too bad a news. The fewer Indians flying Arab airlines, the better. We should expand our own airlines and put these guys out of business, relegating them to flying between "green" countries. The complaints from Delta and other airlines are not entirely illegitimate.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 22 Mar 2017 07:34

^^^Only two Indian airlines fly US to India. Air Parasite and Jet Airways (which technically isn't Indian). Choices are limited.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Mar 2017 08:50

If laptops can be bombs and screening in green airports not good, why would checking them in mitigate the threat? Screening is likely to be even poorer for checkin or transit luggage....us transit luggage even rescreened?

Rishi Verma · Post by **Rishi Verma** » 22 Mar 2017 09:23

UlanBatori wrote:Well... Poodlestan followed His Master's Voice. INCLUDING British Airways! So I think there is a slight problem with the Dirty Protectionism thesis unless Les Unmentionables convinced Mays Bibi ul Poodlestan to commit hara kiri.

No need to belittle the UK in this case.

I think both the US and the UK have specific Intel or info that laptop/tablet based IEDs have evolved and they are taking the right steps.

Eventually pakistan/china/al Qaeda Nexus against the big bad west will emerge.

They are keeping the porkies off "the list" so as not to spook them, a long rope will eventually be shortened.

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 22 Mar 2017 09:37

Rishi Verma wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:Well... Poodlestan followed His Master's Voice. INCLUDING British Airways! So I think there is a slight problem with the Dirty Protectionism thesis unless Les Unmentionables convinced Mays Bibi ul Poodlestan to commit hara kiri.
No need to belittle the UK in this case.

I think both the US and the UK have specific Intel or info that laptop/tablet based IEDs have evolved and they are taking the right steps.

Eventually pakistan/china/al Qaeda Nexus against the big bad west will emerge.

They are keeping the porkies off "the list" so as not to spook them, a long rope will eventually be shortened.

There is no specific intel. All made up mumbo jumbo like Eye-rack WMDs.
The UQ are a bunch of wannabe turds who deserve be belittled. There are really no major western airlines that fly directly to TSP with the exception of Briturd Airways and USAF C-17s and C-130s. Flying in to and out of TSP always brings extra scrutiny.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Mar 2017 10:13

Singha wrote:If laptops can be bombs and screening in green airports not good, why would checking them in mitigate the threat? Screening is likely to be even poorer for checkin or transit luggage....is transit luggage even rescreened?

a friend says there is really no better screening for checkin baggage...perhaps worse as none can hijack with banned stuff therein...but the fallout of a explosion or fire in the cargo hold among tightly stacked luggage is perceived as being less than one in the passenger cabins open space , except if unluckily the said bag were to be against the side of plane , in which case its equally dangerous.

seems to be me they have a real imminent threat matrix and knowing its impossible to fully control these huge green airports, are bracing themselves for impact and doing some quick CYA incase things really head south.

just the perception of weak security will also drive a section of people away from gulfie airlines which will benefit the euros and amirkhans. amirkhans , euros and aussies were using dubai as a transit hub. now they have no recourse but to shift to europe. this however I believe is just a side benefit.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 22 Mar 2017 15:46

Larger cellphones are also banned - which suggests that someone got a picture of the intended ied-mubarak-ul-havai but cannot figure out whether it is a cellphone or a tablet. Of course by extension they ban laptops since what can work with a tablet can also work with a laptop.

Putting laptop in checked baggage is so that L'Inspecteur Clouseau can watch ******* or :ROTFL at the photos of the owners. Saves so much trouble a la JPL Scientist returning from Patagonia.

So much for taking Mac along on next long trip. (sigh) Visit to "Read It Again" is indicated.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Mar 2017 21:25

KL Dubey wrote:
In this case, I do not think this is too bad a news. The fewer Indians flying Arab airlines, the better. We should expand our own airlines and put these guys out of business, relegating them to flying between "green" countries. The complaints from Delta and other airlines are not entirely illegitimate.

Isnt this common sense. I have been advocating this for more than 20 years.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 22 Mar 2017 21:26

Mort Walker wrote:
This is a case of dirty politics. The big losers are the Gulf based airlines that fly between the US and Asia, with a stop in Doha, Dubai and Abu Dhabi, that are sucking up business from US based airlines. Delta Airlines and the others have complained most loudly to the US govt. for a couple of years now. This is clearly a case of protectionism disguised as national security. US based carriers have steadily been losing business to the Gulf carriers. This will also reduce sales of the Airbus A380 too.

Indians have to look after Indian business

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 22 Mar 2017 23:02

the big advantage the mid east carriers have is location and the economics of long haul aircraft (as they are currently designed)
the mid east is a natural hub and transit point for mass flows between N. America, Europe, Australasia and less so rest of Asia and Africa
its no surprise that only emirates, qatar, etihad and turkish have been profitable the past few years

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 23 Mar 2017 00:22

if laptop and mobile drama is protectionism,then we will see a proof very soon. West always like to give reasoning behind such policies. Air France, Aeroflot,Air india or some small time ME airline are in danger. They dare not to touch Chinese or big time Arabic airlines.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 23 Mar 2017 01:33

All that these airlines need to do is to check in electronics in a special secured bin, at the Gate, give a receipt and vouchers for 5 free drinks - or Companion Tickets in Econ Class if it is a First Class customer. Kept in the Coat-Well which is entered from inside the plane. Delivered back to customer at destination on the plane. My Evil 6th Coujin would be happy to take along a dead Mac, I hear he has a few of those around. Maybe its the danger that Mullahs may hang themselves using the power cord in the pakistan giving themselves an orgasm.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 23 Mar 2017 09:03

At least the US policy makes way more sense than the erstwhile UPA policy of pushing homegrown carriers to bankruptcy and feasting ghoulishly on the carcasses

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 23 Mar 2017 09:12

I would take profitability of gulf carriers with some caution...as with cheen carriers, they are national champions and have back end support. I am sure they get aviation fuel at cheapest rates from govt side and numerous side benefits

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 23 Mar 2017 13:04

One initiative that seems to be just what the doctor ordered in the current clime:

New platform seeks to unify Hindus in U.S.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 23 Mar 2017 13:21

Good initiative froim Trump.If he like Bush Sr. brings together a global coalition ,preferably under the stamp of the UNSC, terrorism,not just the ISIS flavour,but also the Paki jihadi flavour,can be brought to book.The Chinese can be cornered on the issue of supporting Paki terror too.
India should insist that it will cooperate ONLY if those terror entities which use Paki soil and wage war against it are also to be exterminated.
There cannot be selective anti-terrorism.Islamist terrorism in ALL its flavours and styles must be doomed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 43766.html

World leaders gather to discuss 'secret plan' to defeat Isis after laptop terror threat prompts flight ban
Donald Trump had made tackling Isis a major part of his campaign

Andrew Buncombe New York
Mr Trump has promised to destroy Isis Reuters
Donald Trump’s top diplomat is hosting ministers from 68 countries to discuss a secret plan to confront and defeat Isis.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson welcomed the foreign ministers to Washington, the first such gathering of the US-led military coalition since the election of President Trump in November. Mr Trump vowed that the fight against Isis would become a major priority for his government, and earlier this year he asked the Pentagon and other agencies to provide plans for defeating the militant group.

Addressing the meeting, Mr Tillerson called for new ideas to expand the fight against Isis in the Iraqi city of Mosul and accelerate the campaign to chase militants from Raqqa, Syria, while preparing for the complex humanitarian and political consequences of both efforts.

Yet Mr Tillerson did not propose, at least in his public remarks, a new approach, beyond noting the increased US military role in each country. “I recognise there are many pressing challenges in the Middle East, but defeating Isis is the United States number one goal in the region,” Mr Tillerson said. “As we've said before, when everything is a priority, nothing is a priority. We must continue to keep our focus on the most urgent matter at hand.”

Nothing Mr Tillerson outlined departed significantly from the Obama administration's strategy, which focused on using local forces to retake territory along with efforts to disrupt Isis recruitment and financing, and the blueprint of the multilateral effort seemed unchanged.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 23 Mar 2017 13:41

This whole "ban" seems to be orchestrated with a view to give an artificial support to dying US airlines. Because of this ban, most of the business class travellers to US from India and other south asia or east europe nations would go through Europe rather than Gulf. The gulf airlines will be left holding the economy passengers who are not profiable by themselves. International routes are the most profitable and US airlines have been increasingly losing market share to gulf based airlines. This will help revive US airlines like AA and Delta and also British Airways.

Very shrewd move by Trump. He has shown that he is ready to play down and dirty and explore every possible alternative to revive American business and economy. This whole security threat thing is a hogwash.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 23 Mar 2017 14:13

emirates, etihad and qatar are not affected by the ban directly