shiv wrote: JayS wrote:
I hope you read the report fully before making that comment.
JayS ji I request that we do not make insinuations about the other person's thoroughness or understanding. By the time I reached page 10 I had found stuff that indicates why there have been delays and it does not need an engineer to understand. I presume you have read it all.
<snip>2.HAL DID NOT CREATE PRODUCTION FACILITIES AS ENVISAGED BUT HAD EXCUSES
4.3.1 Delay in creation of production facilities:
Audit observed that HAL had been utilizing the existing facilities available
with it for manufacture of LCA. Even though HAL initiated action in April
2006 to form a dedicated LCA facility, LCA Project Group was established as
a full-fledged Division only in March 2014 as seen from HAL’s 371
st Board Meeting papers.
MoU of 2002 sanctioned 391.18 crore towards creation of facility i.e.
Capital expenditure Rs. 188.71 crore and DRE 202.47 crore. Audit noticed
that as of March 2014, HAL had incurred an amount of `118.99 crore (63
percent) towards capital expenditure and 139.12 crore (69
per cent ) towards DRE.
When reasons for delay in creation of manufacturing facility was enquired
(October 2014) in audit, HAL stated (November 2014) that extensive changes
in the design and development post 2006 had resulted in reviewing the facility
requirement and a capacity augmentation plan was being put up for meeting
the objectives. It was also stated that non-finalisation of configuration of LCA
had led to the postponement of establishment of production facilities.
Reply is not acceptable as the GoI sanction of November 2001 stipulated that
the facilities for manufacture of eight LCA were to be created and the first
LCA was to be delivered within 4 ½ years from the date of sanction i.e. by
May 2006. Further, the delay in creation of manufacturing facility of eight
aircraft per annum impacted the production of LSPs, as discussed in Para 4.3.4
as well as the Series Production Aircraft.
JayS, pls don't feel guilty etc as there's a huge chance (and I'm being very very polite) of people are not trying to understand what is quite plainly written in these reports ... to me the above can be paraphrased as follows:
CAG: Why did you, HAL, not start setting up a production facility in 2002 and complete by 2006?
HAL: Saar, the design itself is not frozen, what am I supposed to produce from a setup production facility?
CAG: Not an acceptable reason (as shivji points out, it's an excuse) - tell me again why, "despite a GoI sanction of November 2001 that stipulated that the facilities for manufacture of eight LCA were to be created and the first LCA was to be delivered within 4 ½ years from the date of sanction i.e. by May 2006
", no facilities were setup even by 2014?
HAL: Saar, as I said it's not possible to setup a production facility without having the detailed design and a finalised configuration in place.
For example, if I don't know exactly what moment loading I need to budget for in the wing attachment beam in the main body, I can't really finalise the detailed dimensions and the load bearing characteristics of the mid-fuselage structure.
CAG: What is moment loading? Are you trying to fool me by throwing difficult terms etc? Tell me why did you agree to GoI's diktat in Nov 2001, that you'd know all these details, and be ready with a setup production facility to churn out LCA?
HAL: Saar, that is not possible to know until the entire configuration of the external loads are tested in real time flying etc.
Also for example, in 2001 to say 2009 we were hoping that a heavier engine (Kaveri) would be required to be budgeted for - the supporting rings etc were thicker (and heavier) so the mean-CG and CP distances were maintained ... but it turned out that a lighter F404 will be required. So we needed to change the dimensions of these rings etc.
CAG: What is mean-CG? What is CP? Who heads those depts? A Joint-sec or an addn-sec?
HAL: Saar, sorry, who heads what saar?
CAG: This discussion is going nowhere ... the report also needs to be finalized for triplicate signing, photocopying, attestation, submission, submission receipt etc etc and many such important activities. We can't waste time in your technical non-sense etc.
So this is a NC - a pure NC and I'll put it as such ...
HAL: Saar, as you wish, saar ...
Happens when you put a bunch of MA-in-Medieval-History or MCom types to "audit" a project like LCA.
And we get a lot of people in BRF in their respective twisted-undies because of such gobermint sourced-info and thus must to authentic and true reflection of everything.