Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby ramana » 18 Nov 2016 11:10

shiv, Would you like to lead a thread to debate the issue on BRF?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Kashi » 18 Nov 2016 11:24

asgkhan wrote:The motion was defeated by a narrow margin, with the team of Varma and Tharoor carrying the day.

Later, Raza expressed his dismay over the defeat of the motion to those who went to meet him on stage. “I can't believe Mumbai has forgotten one of the worst terror attacks on this city,” he said.


Difficult to say if Mumbai has forgotten 26/11. It'll be interesting to look into the make up of the "audience" that DNA managed to assemble for this "debate". The die was loaded for a pre-determined outcome anyway.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby abhijitm » 18 Nov 2016 12:12

Kashi wrote:
asgkhan wrote:The motion was defeated by a narrow margin, with the team of Varma and Tharoor carrying the day.

Later, Raza expressed his dismay over the defeat of the motion to those who went to meet him on stage. “I can't believe Mumbai has forgotten one of the worst terror attacks on this city,” he said.


Difficult to say if Mumbai has forgotten 26/11. It'll be interesting to look into the make up of the "audience" that DNA managed to assemble for this "debate". The die was loaded for a pre-determined outcome anyway.

No true Indian can forget and forgive.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby abhijitm » 18 Nov 2016 13:14

Gen Flynn for NSA. More trouble for pakis.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Kashi » 18 Nov 2016 13:23

abhijitm wrote:No true Indian can forget and forgive.


I would like to think so..but the same city (and state) voted overwhelmingly for UPA in 2009 Lok Sabha and assembly elections despite R.R. Patil's insensitive and uncouth Bade shehron mein to chhoti chhoti baatein hoti rehti hain

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Manish_P » 18 Nov 2016 14:20

Kashi wrote:
abhijitm wrote:No true Indian can forget and forgive.


I would like to think so..but the same city (and state) voted overwhelmingly for UPA in 2009 Lok Sabha and assembly elections despite R.R. Patil's insensitive and uncouth Bade shehron mein to chhoti chhoti baatein hoti rehti hain


That is perhaps the problem... we remember and focus only on the latest event...

True Mumbaikars have not forgotten nor forgiven 26/11, but they have also not forgotten nor forgiven 2003, 2002, 1993

It is as if there are different India's and Indians :-?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby sudhan » 18 Nov 2016 14:24

abhijitm wrote:Gen Flynn for NSA. More trouble for pakis.


Looks like he will get the post :mrgreen:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Vikas » 18 Nov 2016 14:54

Are we only the ones in minority prodding and hoping that Mumbai hasn't forgotten 26/11 and so hasn't India otherwise what would cause Paki artists to hop over , make suitcase full of money in India and then leave. After all, there sojourn to India is being eventually paid by Indians only.
Back to normal news, After Cheen, Pakis now also hope to become b!tch of Turkey as Arab abbus are still miffed over not providing foot soldiers for Yeman. Sadly CPEC c an't be extended till Turkey.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Awadhi » 18 Nov 2016 16:41

As per Deaf and Dumb forum, PN detected an Indian Navy submarine and prevented it from entering Paki waters. Only paki sources reporting it, so cannot be confirmed.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Peregrine » 18 Nov 2016 17:04

Pakistan lacks plan to combat drought-like situation

ISLAMABAD: The on-going dry spell across the country has caused a drought-like situation but, unfortunately, Pakistan lacks a comprehensive drought management plan to reduce risk of its impact on humans, crops, forestry and livestock.

Experts have termed the drought-like situation alarming and fear that if there’s no rainfall by the mid of December, then Pakistan will face serious consequences –both in the short and long term.

An official working in the water sector, who wished not to be named, said: “The issue of a drought-like situation is far more important than the Panamagate scandal.

“It is expected that it will have adverse impact on the economy, agriculture, forestry and people’s health.
But it is being ignored both by the government and opposition political parties.”

The official said at present there is a need to have a proper water recycling system in the country to use around three million acres feet of water which is wasting every year.

Meanwhile, Dr Muhammad Ashraf, Chairman Pakistan Council of Research in Water Resources (PCRWR), told The Express Tribune, “The on-going dry spell is already affecting our winter crops and a slight delay in rains in rain-fed areas will have an adverse impact on it which will definitely affect our economy.

“However, to overcome water shortage, people are massively using groundwater due to which its level is also declining at an alarming rate and if it will continue then time is not too far when people living in urban areas will face difficulty to consume water for drinking and other purposes at home,” he said.

Dr Pervaiz Amir, environmental, forestry and water expert, said, “Smog along with dry spell is affecting the country, but no one is taking it seriously. This situation is more devastating than a flood as it has long-term impact.”
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby vdutta » 18 Nov 2016 17:27

"Pushed" back Indian submarine.?

How, by pushcarts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkYVSFtH3oU

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Peregrine » 18 Nov 2016 19:04

Fully Posted on the PESW Thread

Debt indicators paint bleak picture]

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s debt sustainability indicators have significantly worsened in the past one year due to increase in foreign exchange and refinancing risks, which appears to be the result of reckless borrowing,showed an official report.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Peregrine » 18 Nov 2016 19:15

vdutta wrote:"Pushed" back Indian submarine.?

How, by pushcarts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkYVSFtH3oU



vdutta Ji :

Indeed the Indian Submarine informed the Cwapistanis that it will "invade" Cwapistani Areas so that the Cwapistanis could bring their Heli-borne Film Crews to "produce" this Presentation.

Long Live Cwapistani Idiocy!
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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Peregrine » 18 Nov 2016 19:27

Navy rubbishes Pak Navy claim that it stopped Indian sub from entering waters

Dubbing it as “blatant lies”, the Navy today denied the Pakistani Navy claim that it had prevented an Indian submarine from entering its territorial water. “Indian Navy categorically denies the statement of Pakistani Navy as blatant lies,” Navy spokesperson Captain D K Sharma said. He added that the Indian Navy did not have any under water movement in the said waters as claimed by the Pakistani Navy.

A statement issued by Pakistani Navy had claimed it has proved its vigilance and operational competence by detecting and blocking an Indian submarine from entering Pakistani waters. “The unsuspecting submarine was detected and localised south of Pakistani coast on November 16. Thereafter, despite submarine’s desperate efforts to escape detection, it was continuously tracked by Pakistan Navy Fleet units and pushed well clear of our waters,” the statement had said.

On Tuesday, Pakistan Navy said that China Pakistan Economic Corridor’s first cargo containers were safely escorted in the Arabian Sea towards their destination to the Middle East and African countries. Pakistan Army’s powerful Army Chief Gen Raheel Sharif had on Wednesday claimed that his men killed 11 Indian soldiers in cross border firing across the Line of Control (LoC). This statement too was denied by the Indian Army.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby anupmisra » 18 Nov 2016 19:43

So, let's shoot down this line of argument that the dumb bakis have put forward to get their awaam in a tizzy with a few simple, basic questions.

1. Is this a genuine video footage? Where was it shot? Was it within their territorial waters or economic zone?
2. How did the bakis figure out this was an "Indian" sub?
3. At this critical juncture for genrail Raa@heel's career, how does this help him, what does this prove and why now?
4. If this was indeed an Indian sub detected in their territorial waters, doesn't it show that the bakis can only detect a sub when it surfaces?
5. Was the sub able to gather intelligence before being detected? At this point, it was just a matter of tactic to leave anyway?
6. Why is the sub cruising at periscope depth?
7. I see a lot of baki baharia activity in the video footage but the detection supposedly happened by air per the B&W video. Doesn't this show that their detection by ship borne and shore-based systems is ineffective? It smacks of operational incompetence.
8. Where were the baki subs? Why didn't they follow the "Indian" sub?
9. Nasally baki khwateens mentioned SeePak. How does it effect SeePak?
10. Why would Indian navy's sub risk infiltrating baki territorial waters when better intelligence can be had through satellites and ground based sources?

Hainji?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Baikul » 18 Nov 2016 20:01

I almost feel there should be a separate thread for Raheel Sharif's last days as Downhill Skier in Chief- the bugger is up to frantic face saving, what with claims millions of Indian soldiers and submarines being halaled on a daily basis.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby anupmisra » 18 Nov 2016 20:47

Baikul wrote:I almost feel there should be a separate thread for Raheel Sharif's last days as Downhill Skier in Chief- the bugger is up to frantic face saving, what with claims millions of Indian soldiers and submarines being halaled on a daily basis.


Raa@heel does not want to become a future non-entity like mushy - exiled and derided by most. He knows that he can fictitiously claim "successes" where none exist because the awam wants it. It does not matter to him (or the awam) that the other side will reject such claims as blatant lies or whether such claims are without any basis or just the fact that the pakis live on a day to day basis yearning for good news. Remember Yawn's daily briefings on spectacular victories in December 1971?

At this point, a clear thinking paki is an oxymoron. Doesn't exist. No one in al bakistan can doubt the veracity of such claims and live to tell the tale. Might as well commit political or journalistic hara-kiri.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby sudhan » 18 Nov 2016 20:48

Up Next.. A Single JF-17 Bundar courageous chased away a squadron of MKIs with exceptional skill. The IAF was trying to cast an evil eye on porkland and CPEC..

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Falijee » 18 Nov 2016 21:13

Sharif Shenanigans
The new Arabian Nights (Of The Sharif Family ) :D
Even Scherezade who told the stories of the Arabian Nights to King Shahrayar couldn’t have thought of this tale which has come before the Supreme Court. A prince of the ruling family, a former foreign minister of Qatar and shining light of the ruling Al-Thani family not without his own share of international scandals has put his name to a letter which if presented for inclusion in the Arabian Nights, Alf Laila Wa Laila, would have been rejected as too fanciful.If the story in the letter which paints the Sharifs as purer than Snow White were carried atop the Himalayas it would flatten a peak or two, so heavy is the load it carries. When this masterpiece, for it is no less, was presented before their lordships they too could not contain their surprise and said that what the letter conveys is more hearsay than anything else.[/quote]
But, so-called evidence,( never mind its legal worthlessness !) given by no less than a Qatari Prince in a Pakistani Court of Law , will be considered Gospel Truth, considering the status afforded to Arabs in Paki society :lol:
In this post-edition of the Arabian Nights the four London flats which lie at the centre of the hearings currently taking place before the Supreme Court are conveniently attributed to the business acumen and vision of the PM’s father, the late Mian Muhammad Sharif.( the famous "Abbiji" of the Sharif Clan !)
He took up a business partnership with the Al-Thanis – before anyone had heard of the Sharifs as international tycoons ...
(and world-class loan defaulters !)
....should be inherited not by his three sons ....but by his grandson, the Sharifs’ answer to the Rockefellers and Bill Gates, :mrgreen: Hussain Nawaz Sharif.
In 2005-2006 the transfer of the flats to this genius was amicably affected. If this Booker Prize entry for best fiction of the year is accepted as the unvarnished truth it takes care of everything – no Nawaz Sharif incrimination, no Maryam Nawaz involvement in anything and no vexing questions about such trivia as money trail, etc.
Case closed - no case !
But regardless of how this Qatari gem comes to be treated in literary circles, one has to admire the fortitude and hardihood of the Sharifs. Lesser mortals, souls less endowed with confidence or that magic thing called audacity, would blush or be reduced to embarrassment given that with every Sharif there has been a different explanation of the London flats.

Imran Khan will never be able to legally pin the Sharifs' in a Paki court of law as to the source of their ill-gotten gain :mrgreen:
But the unparalleled beauty of it is that on the faces of the knights concerned there is not the slightest shade of embarrassment. They say one thing and it is uttered with the utmost self-confidence. The story changes, previous explanations stood on their head, but the confidence, the chutzpah, remains the same. Leave the facts and the legalities to one side. The performance and style have to be admired.
Money and power have always been connected but never was the embrace tighter than in today’s Pakistan. Before Gen Zia’s advent to power the Sharifs were not in the front rank of Pakistani industrialists. The Ittefaq Group was known but it was not at par with any of the 22 families. Then came their admittance into Zia’s power circle and there was no stopping them…banks were more than generous and Mian Sharif was an astute businessman. Their factories multiplied and then somewhere on that road to power and glory the London properties came to be bought.

With ill-gotten wealth, duly laundered by Ganja's relative ( and present, Finance Minister - the London qualified CA Ishaq Dar !)
Or anyone else confronted with a tenth of this pressure would have undergone a meltdown. But we are talking of tough hides and some of the toughest consciences invented this side of the oceans.

With Ganja going through the pretense of being PM of Pakiland, opening this roadway, attending that military exercise at a "secret location ", seeing off a consignment of Chini junk at Gwadar, his mind is probably working as to "how to save the ill-gotten wealth of the Sharif Clan !"

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby saip » 18 Nov 2016 21:14

sudhan wrote:
abhijitm wrote:Gen Flynn for NSA. More trouble for pakis.


Looks like he will get the post :mrgreen:


He accepted it. So what do we know of him, especially with regard to anti-Pakistan rhetoric?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby saip » 18 Nov 2016 21:16

sudhan wrote:Up Next.. A Single JF-17 Bundar courageous chased away a squadron of MKIs with exceptional skill. The IAF was trying to cast an evil eye on porkland and CPEC..

They already said the bundars bombed by evading radar in their military exercise. So guys, watch out especially in Bangalore, Kerala. Those jets you are seeing in the sky are all bundars as the Tejas are cowering in their dark deep shelters.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby yensoy » 18 Nov 2016 21:47

Awadhi wrote:As per Deaf and Dumb forum, PN detected an Indian Navy submarine and prevented it from entering Paki waters. Only paki sources reporting it, so cannot be confirmed.

Haraam link


Dawn wrote:While talking to Dawn.com, Tasneem said that the Indian submarine “surfaced to periscope depth because it had probably exhausted its battery and had no other option but to surface and recharge its battery”.

“She was snorkelling, because she knew she had been detected. So there was no point of further exhausting the battery,” the ace Pakistani submarine commander said.


Does anyone even proof read their article? Which one is it - did the submarine surface because it exhausted its battery and then got detected, or did it surface because it got detected (and because it didn't need to deplete its batteries by being submerged)? The two quotes are contradictory.

If they "detected" a snorkelling submarine then congratulations to PN for buying their first set of binoculars!

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby LokeshC » 18 Nov 2016 22:16

I think it was dawood bhais black money/FICN submarine trying to return to home port after unsuccessful mission.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby anupmisra » 18 Nov 2016 22:52

yensoy wrote:Does anyone even proof read their article?


Where have you been all these years, yensoy? "Proof read"? Two words that do not belong in the baki lexicon.

Proof? Who cares about proofs when allah is maalik and that's all the awam needs to know. Read? Are you kidding? It's a nation of talk show watchers.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby anupmisra » 18 Nov 2016 22:53

LokeshC wrote:I think it was dawood bhais black money/FICN submarine trying to return to home port after unsuccessful mission.


Is that why the bheedio is in black and white?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby rsingh » 18 Nov 2016 22:58



No hulla -gullah. Wait for two days and you will get the same "research" done on Indian sites. Have seen this many times. This id done by US unthinking tanks whose sole aim is to contain India by doing == to TSP. They defend such action by saying that it is batter if these countries know about each other. They have completely ignored India's asli dushman China.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby ricky_v » 18 Nov 2016 23:02

http://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/where-and-how-pakistan-is-storing-nuclear-weapons-according-to-us-scientists/ar-AAks1b4
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Pakistan has a nuclear stockpile of between 130 and 140 nuclear warheads, according to a group of American scientists, whose tally is partially based on close scrutiny of satellite images and matches other recent estimates. Their report also reiterates that in violation of the US' guidelines, Pakistan has converted its F-16 fighter jets for use with nuclear weapons. In addition to this, "French-produced Mirage aircraft are widely assumed to be equipped to deliver the Raad air-launched cruise missile.''The report indicates that a detachment of Pakistani air force fighters capable of delivering nuclear warheads are housed at the Masroor Air Base west of Karachi which offers ''a large underground facility that is located inside a high-security area. The underground facility is possibly a command center"Pakistani's primary means of delivering nuclear weapons, however, are through cruise and ballistic missile systems. The report, titled "Pakistan's Evolving Nuclear Weapons Infrastructure", has used commercially-available satellite images to identify ten Pakistani facilities, including five missile garrisons and at least two air bases, which have been used to assemble and house nuclear missile launchers.
Hans M Kristensen, a top scientist at FAS, said, ''Analysis of commercial satellite photos has identified features that suggest that at least five bases might serve a role in Pakistan's emerging nuclear posture. This includes army garrisons at Akro [Sindh], Gujranwala [Punjab], Khuzdar [Balochistan], Pano Aqil [Sindh], and Sargodha. A sixth base at Bahawalpur may be under construction. There is also a seventh base near Dera Ghazi Khan, but the infrastructure is very different and not yet convincing." 
The satellite images indicate the presence of vehicles associated with nuclear-capable missiles which can strike targets ranging from a relatively close distance of less than 100 kms to others of an intermediate range which can target most areas in India and employ technology and components transferred to Pakistan from China.
The report concludes that Pakistan's nuclear arsenal remains in a  ''dynamic phase'' though Islamabad "might not intend to continue to increase its arsenal indefinitely but may soon reach the goal for the size of its full-spectrum deterrent.''  Essentially, that Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme is growing, meeting the country's requirements and acting as a full-fledged deterrent against India.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Baikul » 18 Nov 2016 23:36

anupmisra wrote: Raa@heel does not want to become a future non-entity like mushy - exiled and derided by most. He knows that he can fictitiously claim "successes" where none exist because the awam wants it. It does not matter to him (or the awam) that the other side will reject such claims as blatant lies or whether such claims are without any basis or just the fact that the pakis live on a day to day basis yearning for good news. Remember Yawn's daily briefings on spectacular victories in December 1971?

At this point, a clear thinking paki is an oxymoron. Doesn't exist. No one in al bakistan can doubt the veracity of such claims and live to tell the tale. Might as well commit political or journalistic hara-kiri.


I would guess that in addition we're probably squeezing Paki b@lls in a multitude of ways not made public (unlike Bakis who'd claim 1971 was a stunning military tour de force if given half the chance),and they're lashing out by claiming all sorts of victories, 11 soldiers killed, submarines detected, yadda yadda yum.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby anupmisra » 19 Nov 2016 00:26

Loss of East Bakistan was a strategic withdrawal. Kinda like - now India has two ummah enemies instead of one. Next step: following breakup of bakistan, strategically designed to enable five ummah enemies instead of two.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Brad Goodman » 19 Nov 2016 01:17

Natwar singh in his book "One life is not enough" has some interesting story to share. When he was appointed as High Commissioner to Pakistan. He decided to go and meet the Pakistani High commissioner to get some advise. So there was some long chat over issues and other stuff but there was a question he asked at the end of the meeting. The question was "What am I not supposed to say in Pakistan"? The answer was "Never say we are same people. If we were same people we would not have two countries" This was in early 80's Zia rule had just started but the feeling that we are different/superior ... was already deeply entrenched. What I see with WKK idiots is peddling the same line of culture, cuisine, culture... Which Pakis absolutely hate or least don't agree at all.

Is it that WKK guys cant read the signals they get from their paki hosts on this issue or there is no other defense they can take to promote friendship back to Indian masses? Any insights?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Falijee » 19 Nov 2016 01:28

Exclusive : 3 Illegal Pakistanis Apprehended At Arizona - Mexican Border !
Three Pakistani men were apprehended after crossing into the U.S. from Mexico in the Tucson Sector. A combination of sources — including official confirmation from Customs and Border Protection (CBP) — revealed the men were in fact apprehended and are currently in U.S. federal custody.
One of them had a shit load of hits from a bunch of places he’s been. :evil: He had entered and exited numerous countries that were not in his route to the U.S. This raises red flags because people leaving a foreign country to come here usually take the quickest route, but one of them did not,” said one of the sources.
The famous "Pakistanayat", now known all over the world !
The source continued, “One of the men had his hair died blonde to disguise his appearance and all of the men spoke perfect English.”
But - most likely- with the famous Pakjabi accent ; further probe would probably also reveal , that the Pakistan passports were probably counterfieted in the Pakjabi town of Gujrat!
Breitbart Texas previously broke the news that five men from Pakistan and one from Afghanistan were caught within 17 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border in the same vicinity as the current apprehensions of Pakistani men. In that case, the FBI later confirmed to other news outlets that the details from Breitbart Texas sources were correct.

Hope that the "culprits" will be tried under the New Trump Sarkar :mrgreen:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby milano » 19 Nov 2016 01:33

saip wrote:
sudhan wrote:
Looks like he will get the post :mrgreen:


He accepted it. So what do we know of him, especially with regard to anti-Pakistan rhetoric?


Buddy seems to have tried to cooperate with Pakis in the past, and got burnt for sharing classified info with them. I surmise that he would have seen the futility of trying to convince them to stop working against American interests in Afghanistan http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/16/politics/michael-flynn-donald-trump-national-security-adviser/

Washington Post article also references his being reprimanded for sharing classified intel on Haqqani group with the Pak Establishment, and also has this little tidbit: "In February, Flynn posted a video about a Pakistani terrorist group on his Twitter account with the comment: “Fear of Muslims is RATIONAL.” " https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nearly-the-entire-national-security-establishment-has-rejected-trumpexcept-for-this-man/2016/08/15/d5072d96-5e4b-11e6-8e45-477372e89d78_story.html The terrorist group he was referring to was LeT.

What I read of him elsewhere, he is basically of the view that Militant Islam is the problem and that there is a war between a portion of Islam and the rest of the world. However, he seems to say that USA should be helping countries like Syria, Egypt and Saudi Barbaria to fight the terrorists within their borders. He doesn't name Pak, but I would probably lump it in with the rest of those countries.

Here's an interesting book review that summarizes some of his views: http://observer.com/2016/07/finally-a-book-that-actually-and-honestly-explains-radical-islam/

So far, what I'm gathering is that he clearly identifies Radical Islam as the enemy and wants to talk about it in non-politically correct terms, and to act forcefully against it. However, I don't get the sense that he will want to unilaterally take the war to groups within Pak unless Pak Govt wants the help. Can't honestly say how he would deal with the Pak Govt - From the time of Armitage, nay well before that, neither overt sticks nor covert sticks, nor carrots have worked

Added later:. here's a youtube link of an AlJazeera interview with Flynn and Asad Durrani (10 min long). Flynn starts by seeming to give Pak a pass that its support of groups inimical to US interests is due to national self interest, and that the US-Pak relationship has been far too tactical and needs to be elevated economically and politically. Around 7:30 he does have a nice sound bite saying that Pak needs to decide which side it's on. Around 08:30 he says he's very concerned about the growth in radical islamist groups in Pak and how he worries about a Pak Govt collapse. And at the end, he says USA will not pull out of Afg. Based on all this, I can't really see a Trump administration taking an strong hard line against Pak. The Obama admin was tougher on Pak than the Bush admin was, and probably team Trump will be in the middle or towards the Bush end of the spectrum.

And one more added later: Found this in a Huffington Post blog written by Flynn and his coauthor where they plug their book "The Field of Fight":
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thought-matters/the-field-of-fight_b_11248118.html
"They must be denied safe havens, and countries that shelter them have to be issued a brutal choice: either eliminate the Radical Islamists or you risk direct attack yourselves. Yes, there will be some foreign countries that can’t defeat their indigenous Islamists, even though they want to, and they’ll need help. They shouldn’t be punished twice—first by the Islamists, then by us and our allies—and we should welcome them to our ranks.
On the other hand, some of these countries are considered “partners” of ours, but they aren’t. We can’t afford to be gulled by foreign countries that publicly declare their friendship, but then work in cahoots with our enemies." I suspect no major changes in US policy, because Pak will play its typical games and this admin will be none the wiser. What's that saying... plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Peregrine » 19 Nov 2016 02:18

Pak spent USD 118 billion million on 'war on terror': Central bank

KARACHI: Pakistan has spent a hefty USD 118 billion million since 2002 to combat terrorism which has significantly hampered growth and it is facing "serious challenges" to its economy, according to a new central bank report.

The State of Economy 2015-16' report, released by the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) here, said the country is facing "serious challenges" in the form of low savings and investment levels, falling exports and poor spending in the social sector.

However, the report said despite the crunch, Pakistan had spent USD 118.3 billion million on the 'war on terror'.

"The problem is compounded by the stop gap measures adopted to spread the tax net," the report said.

The USD 118.3 billion million payment is equivalent to well over one-third of its gross domestic product.

The central bank said the amount included direct and indirect losses incurred due to the terrorism and extremism in the country between 2002 and 2016.

The central bank report noted that both economic growth and social sector development have been severely hampered by terrorism-related incidents.

The report said Pakistan had received an annual grant of around USD 1 billion from the Coalition Support Fund (CSF), which was approved by the US to support Pakistan in the 'war on terror' since 2002.

It said Pakistan had had received a total of USD 14 billion under the CSF.

The report said Pakistan had borne heavy losses and human suffering, including displacement of families and loss of lives due to the war on terror.

"It has also hurt Pakistan's growth as a country because the war on terror has discouraged foreign investment, hurt domestic investment and reduced exports," it said.

Since the 9/11 terror attacks in the US, Pakistan has been a major ally of the US and UN in the 'war against terror' with the military carrying out offensive against al-Qaeda and the Taliban in its border tribal regions, the report said.

However, it has seen a drop in terror-related incidents in the last one year, it said.

The central bank praised the government for macro-economic achievements and expressed hope for a better future with a higher economic growth rate.

However, it identified a number of challenges that the economy has been facing.

There are certain challenges that deserve the undivided attention of all stakeholders, the report said.

"Pakistan needs to increase its savings and investment levels. Although public investment is increasing despite resource constraints, investment by the private sector has not increased sufficiently," it said, adding that this has inhibited the country's potential growth.

The report said the country has not been able to spend as much on social sector development as it needs to.

"Be it health or education, Pakistan spends much less as a percentage of GDP than many developing countries," it noted.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby g.sarkar » 19 Nov 2016 03:26

abhijitm wrote:Gen Flynn for NSA. More trouble for pakis.

This is not about Gen Flynt, but a general comment. At my place of work there were a great number of ex-military. Some were veterans of Afghanistan, others had been to Iraq, and some to both countries. And all had a poor opinion of Pakistani, this was pretty much the norm. If you are posted in Afghanistan and your mates are getting killed by direct Pakistani action or their proxies, you are going to develop dislike for them. In the battle field you know your enemy. In the old days, senior US military officers were wined and dined like kings in Pakistan and they returned with a fond memory of the country, this feeling of friendship for an ally remained with them for the rest of their lives. This is not the case anymore. As these officers climb the ladder and become seniors in the forces, they will carry this distaste with them.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Falijee » 19 Nov 2016 04:02

; Muscles Of Military Machine
National Logistic Cell ( A Veritable Arm Of The Paki Fauj ) to invest in auto sector with German collaboration
The National Logistic Cell (NLC) has decided to invest in auto sector in collaboration with a German company in order to cater the rising demand of heavy commercial vehicles following the commencement of China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), DawnNews reported on Friday.

BRFites were right when they correctly predicted that the Paki Fauj will make a "lot of money" in the name of CPEC !
"National Logistic Cell has planned to install production plants [in Pakistan] with German Company to produce prime movers," said Engineering Development Board (EDB) chief Tariq Chuadhry.The NLC will initially be investing Rs500 million to Rs700 million to install a production plant in Pakistan in a bid to manufacture heavy commercial vehicles in collaboration with German MAN Truck and Bus Company, the official further said.
MAN Truck and Bus, with headquarters in Munich, is one of the leading international suppliers of commercial vehicles and transport solutions in Europe, with production plants in three European countries as well as in Russia, South Africa, India ( == achieved at last :D) and Turkey.

It should also be mentioned that the "notorious" NLC , was initially tasked (by the CIA ) to transport American arms from Karachi to Afghanistan during the so-called Jihad ; on the return journey from Peshawar to Karachi, it indulged in a "little side business" of drug smuggling ; the consignment was then transported on PIA planes to Londonistan and Massaland ; a lot of ISI Jernails and Kernails got "financially lucky" in the trade, with some help from the also famous bank known as BCCI ( Banks of Crooks and Criminals Incorporation ) :mrgreen:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Prem » 19 Nov 2016 04:46

War on terror cost $118.69bn: State Bank Of Caliphate

http://nation.com.pk/national/18-Nov-20 ... state-bank

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s ‘war on terror’ has cost the country a whopping $118 billion so far, a State Bank report says, an amount equivalent to well over one third of its gross domestic product.The State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) released its annual report Friday which reveals extremist violence has cost the country $118.3 billion in direct and indirect losses since 2002.“Both economic growth and social sector development have been severely hampered by terrorism related incidents,” the bank said in the report.Pakistan became a pivotal US ally in the battle against extremism after the September 11, 2001, attacks spurred the US invasion of neighbouring Afghanistan.A Coalition Support Fund (CSF) was approved by the US to support Pakistan in the war, with an annual release of around $1 billion since 2002. By last year Pakistan had received a total of $14 billion under the CSF.The country has also been waging a fight against home-grown Islamist insurgents since at least 2004.The bank says that apart from causing immeasurable human suffering, including casualties and mass displacement, the war has helped drive away foreign investment, stall domestic investment, freeze exports, and slow down trade.Pakistan has carried out major military offensives against Al-Qaeda and the Taliban in its border tribal regions that have sapped their strength, with overall levels of militant violence dropping drastically in 2015 and 2016.The economy, meanwhile, is improving, with the IMF saying in October that the country has emerged from crisis and stabilised its economy after completing a bailout programme.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby g.sarkar » 19 Nov 2016 08:58

http://www.firstpost.com/india/india-pa ... 10614.html
India-Pakistan tension can no longer be ignored; Kashmir suffering, says Turkey's Erdogan
Islamabad: Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Thursday said the suffering of Kashmiris due to escalating Indo-Pak tensions "can no longer be ignored" as he called on the two countries to resolve the Kashmir issue through dialogue.
Erdogan, who arrived in Islamabad on Wednesday, made the remarks after he held detailed talks with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.
Addressing a joint press conference, the Turkish President told the media that during his one-on-one meeting with Prime Minister Sharif they talked about the situation in Kashmir.
"Our brothers and sisters in Kashmir are suffering because of escalating tensions along the Line of Control (LoC) and Kashmir, which can no longer be ignored," Erdogan said.
He stressed on the importance of dialogue to address the thorny issue.

India should recognize Pak as inheritors of the Mughal empire and pay jiziya and send Janissary to be trained in IT every year.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby svinayak » 19 Nov 2016 11:42

g.sarkar wrote:
http://www.firstpost.com/india/india-pa ... 10614.html
India-Pakistan tension can no longer be ignored; Kashmir suffering, says Turkey's Erdogan
Islamabad: Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Thursday said the suffering of Kashmiris due to escalating Indo-Pak tensions "can no longer be ignored" as he called on the two countries to resolve the Kashmir issue through dialogue.
"Our brothers and sisters in Kashmir are suffering because of escalating tensions along the Line of Control (LoC) and Kashmir, which can no longer be ignored," Erdogan said.

India should recognize Pak as inheritors of the Mughal empire and pay jiziya and send Janissary to be trained in IT every year.
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What nonsense. Will the people of Turkey look after the kashmiri Hindus and Bhuddists interest?
India had a partition and this is not a state to state issue.
Do they know that India has a constitution and India deals with its citizen.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Baikul » 19 Nov 2016 14:43

Either we ignore what the Turkish j@cka$$ says, or we issue a statement on the Kurds. No need for more introspection.

For example:

IslamabadNewDelhi: Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on ThursdaySome Indian cunning yindoo baniya named Lun Singh Chauhan on Jumma said the suffering of Kashmiris Kurds due to escalating Indo-Pak tensions atrocities "can no longer be ignored" as he called on the two countries Turkish two-ar$e President, ErdoGaan* to resolve the Kashmir Kurdistan issue through dialogue. "Our brothers and sisters in Kashmir Kurdistan are suffering because of escalating tensions along the Line of Control (LoC) and Kashmir Eastern and South Eastern border, which can no longer be ignored," Erdogan Lun Singh said. "Also, why don't you lift my dhoti and introspect my testimonials, muh-me-lega?" Lun Singh said in his cunning yindoo baniya style, concluding the press conference.


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