Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 Dec 2016 15:28

X Posted from the “Pakistani Role In Global Terrorism” thread.

Former US Army Vice Chief of Staff (1999-2003) General John M. Keane in testimony to the US Senate Committee on Armed Services confirms the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting ways of the Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi dominated Military of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. In testimony to a hearing on “Emerging U.S. Defense Challenges and Worldwide Threats”, Gen, Keane testifies that “Two Taliban sanctuaries exist in Pakistan where the Pakistan military provides intelligence, training, and logistics assistance to enhance the Taliban operational performance while providing continuous safe haven.”

See here: Clicky

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 07 Dec 2016 16:49

habal wrote:AoA

the day starts away on a positive for pakistan.

terrific country, terrific people, terrific society

((for gays))

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/12/ ... 717970.jpg

Map reveals what nations are best at
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/trave ... st-at.html

Habal-ji :

Pakiland "terrific country " for GAYS AND SEX ; ( all females over age of 10 kept under "lock and key" AKA Purdah

If "Terrorism" was also a "category" , Pakistan would have been # 1 in that also !

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 07 Dec 2016 17:29

India’s ex-army chiefs want covert operations in Pakistan

NEW DELHI: India should plan offensive and covert operations to target militant leaders and hit the Pakistani Army hard, two former Indian Army chiefs said on Tuesday, reports the Indian media.

Gen (retd) Bikram Singh was of the view that the Indian government should exploit the fault lines in Balochistan and "Pakistan-occupied Kashmir" (Azad Jammu and Kashmir) so that the Pakistan Army is forced to concentrate internally and not externally. “We need to create asymmetric capabilities, which include doing covert operations and targeting militant leaders," he said, adding the adversary should "feel the pain" and be put in an "embarrassing spot".

Speaking at the Agenda Aaj Tak here, former army chief Gen (retd) V P Malik said, "Till now we have been focusing on defensive operation. We now have to look at offensive operation." He was of the view that an all-out war between India and Pakistan or India and China was "unlikely". To have better planning of security needs, military experts should be roped into the government and be made minister of state for defence, Malik suggested.
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Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 07 Dec 2016 17:46

Would like the small change to be made as below

NEW DELHI: India should plan offensive and covert operations to target militantry leaders and hit the Pakistani Army hard, two former Indian Army chiefs said on Tuesday, reports the Indian media.

RamSuresh · Post by **RamSuresh** » 07 Dec 2016 18:06

PIA flight goes missing near abottabad

PIA flight with 40 people from Chitral to Islamabad goes missing. Is this mango season?

habal · Post by **habal** » 07 Dec 2016 18:31

singer cum tableeghi preacher junaid jamshed was in that flight

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 07 Dec 2016 18:40

Flight has crashed. Just saw tweet on CNN

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 07 Dec 2016 18:54

Was getting worried TTP is getting tamed by zab zab

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 07 Dec 2016 18:59

^^The ATR reportedly crashed at the Patola village near Pakistan Ordinance Factory, Havelian, and eyewitnesses reported seeing a plane crash hear Havelian, according to district police officer Abbottabad.

Nisana chuk gaya.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Dec 2016 19:13

Brad Goodman wrote:Flight has crashed. Just saw tweet on CNN

Aircraft ATR 42-500

Flight no PK 661

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 07 Dec 2016 19:21

The rats on board must have finally chewed through the control cable assembly and achieved their jeeehad.

Only djinns and angels fly in the book, no human does.

May they enjoy their 72.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 07 Dec 2016 19:28

Pakistani airlines: Unsafe at any altitude

Even after hours of smooth flying, you shouldn’t get very comfy. Why? Well, if you were to believe the world’s foremost authority on airline safety, Professor Arnold Barnett of MIT, the riskiest segment of the flight, i.e., the landing, is still ahead of you.

It has not yet emerged on the national radar, but the dismal safety record of the Pakistani airlines is an open secret.

A comparative study of airline safety revealed that PIA has consistently underperformed on airline safety, and it is one of the world’s most disaster-prone airlines.

Mr. Silver compared near misses for each airline over the two periods, 1985-1999 and 2000-2014. And guess which airline stood out to be consistently high risk prone over the two periods: Pakistan International Airlines.

“There are also a few major outliers in the chart: two are Pakistan International Airlines and Ethiopian Airlines, which have had a persistently high rate of incidents,” wrote Mr. Silver.

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Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 07 Dec 2016 19:44

Hmm would have preferred if it was an PAF aircraft taken out by IAF.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 07 Dec 2016 20:10

habal wrote:singer cum tableeghi preacher junaid jamshed was in that flight

It is confirmed ; the "bearded model" ( in semi -hiding because because of a FATWA by the "Mullah Brigade" ?) was indeed on that plane ; what a way to meet the 72 !

RamSuresh · Post by **RamSuresh** » 07 Dec 2016 20:21

International passengers, Passenger Manifest

22A and 22C are two foreigners. Are these known names. Is there a connection between the names and the accident?

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 07 Dec 2016 20:23

Also look at the deepel fliend on 21 L

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Dec 2016 20:30

Insufficient evidence against alleged Indian spy Kulbhushan Yadav, says Sartaj Aziz - Economic Times

Advisor to Pakistan Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs, Sartaj Aziz, today said the Pakistan government was presented with only insufficient evidence on Kulbhushan Yadav, who according to the country is allegedly an Indian spy working for the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW). The developments were shared by Pakistan media, Geo News.

Aziz, while addressing a full Senate chamber, said the dossier on Yadav contained "mere statements", according to Geo News. He added it did not have conclusive evidence.

"What the dossier contained was not enough. Now it is up to the concerned authorities how long they take to give us more matter on the agent," Aziz said, as per the Pakistan media.

Yadav was arrested during a raid in Balochistan in March this year. Pakistan alleges he is a RAW agent, who has admitted he had been directing various activities in Karachi and Balochistan at the behest of Indian spy agency, RAW, since 2013. He has allegedly confessed of playing a role in deteriorating law and order situation in Karachi.

On the other hand, India has said that Yadav was a former navy officer, but insisted he had no connection with the Indian government or RAW.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 07 Dec 2016 20:41

Pakistan's Honour And Dignity - AKA Echandee- ( not sover-virginity) Violated.

Humiliating Pakistan At HOA Violates Diplomatic Norms

What happened at the Heart of Asia ministerial meeting at Amritsar recently raises questions about Pakistan being represented at such a high official level, even at multilateral conferences. Self imposed isolation policy would be one way of avoiding this "humiliation"

It is conduct unbecoming, when the highest-level Pakistani foreign affairs official is not even seated at the centre table at the dinner hosted by the Indian prime minister and is reportedly stopped from a planned visit to the Golden Temple for ‘security reasons’ in violation of basic diplomatic norms. "Law of Karma" coming to "bite you" ?

The spectacle of Indian officials stopping our high commissioner from speaking to Pakistani reporters was unprecedented. A complaint should be lodged with UN Security Council !

The Indian prime minister may not have succeeded in his attempt at BRICS, but at the Amritsar conference he found a strong ally in the Afghan president. But he "succeeded" at SAARC ![/quote]
President Ghani’s comments provided the Modi government with more clout to put pressure on Pakistan. There was only a feeble voice and that too from the Russian delegate against targeting a single country.
That also raises serious questions about our own foreign policy problems.Surely what happened in Amritsar did not come as a surprise. The Pakistani high commission in Delhi has reportedly informed the foreign ministry about the hostile environment.According to a highly placed source, Pakistan’s high commissioner in India, Abdul Basit, had even suggested that the foreign secretary rather than the foreign affairs adviser be sent to the conference. But his "advise" was ignored
The forum has not made much headway given the rising insurgency in Afghanistan and the failure to find a political solution to the civil war there.That has also been a major cause of tension between Islamabad and Kabul. A record number of Afghan soldiers and civilians have been killed this year in the fighting since the US invaded Afghanistan in 2001.
The situation also explains President Ghani’s frustration — the Kabul government believes the fighting in Afghanistan could have been stopped had Pakistan reined in the Afghan Taliban leadership operating from the border areas.
Although Kabul’s contention is a bit exaggerated, it is known that Pakistan’s border regions are still being used by some Afghan Taliban insurgents as a safe haven. Understatement of the year !
Our own flawed policy of looking at Kabul from the Indian policy prism ( the so-called strategic depth !) and as a zero-sum game has further complicated matters for us. It may be true that the main base of insurgency lies in Afghanistan but the rising hostility between Kabul and Islamabad has provided greater space to the Afghan Taliban.

President Ghani’s angry outbursts do not provide any solutions to the problem. He needs to maintain the image of the statesman he had presented soon after his election as president. (Ghani -like Karzai- "purchashed" by India ?)
Turning the Heart of Asia into a forum of contention will not help boost the regional cooperation needed to bring peace and economic stability to Afghanistan. Look who is complaining now ![/quote]

shyamal · Post by **shyamal** » 07 Dec 2016 21:15

Has India been blamed yet for the PIA crash? No mention of RAW agents anywhere?

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 07 Dec 2016 22:11

What's up with Russians? They opposed India at BRICS to defend Pakistan. Same at HOA and this noise over demonetization? Is there a pattern or I am just imagining a conspiracy theory?

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 07 Dec 2016 22:54

SSridhar wrote:Insufficient evidence against alleged Indian spy Kulbhushan Yadav, says Sartaj Aziz - Economic Times
Advisor to Pakistan Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs, Sartaj Aziz, today said the Pakistan government was presented with only insufficient evidence on Kulbhushan Yadav, who according to the country is allegedly an Indian spy working for the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW). The developments were shared by Pakistan media, Geo News.

Aziz, while addressing a full Senate chamber, said the dossier on Yadav contained "mere statements", according to Geo News. He added it did not have conclusive evidence.

"What the dossier contained was not enough. Now it is up to the concerned authorities how long they take to give us more matter on the agent," Aziz said, as per the Pakistan media.

So, IOW, they want to "label him as a spy" , but did not find credible evidence, except "confession obtained under duress ". And on top of that, they must have had to pay Taliban or non-state actors to "kidnap" him, as some press reports had earlier suggested ! And they are asking "the concerned authorities

to give "more matter on the agent" - whatever that means !

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 07 Dec 2016 22:59

Rats feel at home in PIA planes - The Nation

Could these "four legged rodents" be the cause of this LATEST crash ?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 07 Dec 2016 23:47

The two German/Austrian passengers on the p'ssenger list. No record online. As if they did not exist before this flight.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 08 Dec 2016 00:57

Pious Preacher Of Pakistan- JUNAID JAMSHED - Had THREE WIVES , According To The BBC

He had three wives, the youngest of whom was with him on the ill-fated flight.

Guess, one of the "bonuses" of "converting" ( or in his case, becoming ultra-pious !) to MALSI

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 08 Dec 2016 01:11

The two German/Austrian passengers on the p'ssenger list. No record online. As if they did not exist before this flight.

The dog that did not bark. Obviously tourists from the Culinary Institute of America.

Falijee · Post by **Falijee** » 08 Dec 2016 01:20

Confusion Galore In Pakistan Foreign Ministry

Statement pertaining to Kulbhusan Yadav attributed to Aziz is incorrect

ISLAMABAD: A statement attributed to Adviser to the Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz in the full Senate Chamber pertaining to arrested Indian Intelligence Agency RAW’s operative Kulbhushan Yadav is absolutely incorrect, the Foreign Office spokesman said on Wednesday.
The Adviser had said that investigations regarding the network of Kulbhshan Yadav are ongoing and the dossier shall be completed upon conclusion of the investigation. There is irrefutable proof against Kulbhushan Yadav, who had also made a public confession in March this year.The Adviser also condemned the continued Indian interference in the internal affairs of Pakistan and urged the international community to take immediate notice of the violation of international law by India.

Looks like, "Senile Sartaj's" days are numbered ?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Dec 2016 02:53

So now Takla Aziz is getting coerced into making statements. No difference for him.
He truly lies aboard for his country.

sivab · Post by **sivab** » 08 Dec 2016 03:01

https://twitter.com/Peacef_Warrior/stat ... 0430514176

A Nationalist
‏@Peacef_Warrior

And its confirmed Tweeps... Abu Dujana pig has been dispatched to hell

http://www.oneindia.com/india/is-it-end ... icle-tweet

Is it end game for Kashmir Lashkar chief Abu Dujana?

Security forces have managed to corner the Chief of the Lashkar-e-Tayiba in Kashmir, Abu Dujana. An operation is underway in Pulgam, Jammu and Kashmir where security forces are trying to capture the dreaded militant.

This is bigger than Wani pig.

sum · Post by **sum** » 08 Dec 2016 05:59

Gen (retd) Bikram Singh was of the view that the Indian government should exploit the fault lines in Balochistan and "Pakistan-occupied Kashmir" (Azad Jammu and Kashmir) so that the Pakistan Army is forced to concentrate internally and not externally. “We need to create asymmetric capabilities, which include doing covert operations and targeting militant leaders," he said, adding the adversary should "feel the pain" and be put in an "embarrassing spot".

Want this worthy in charge when the TSD specifically set up for such tasks was dismanteled and the men in charge left to rot?

There is irrefutable proof against Kulbhushan Yadav, who had also made a public confession in March this year

Feel very bad for Mr.Yadav and the other missing jawan ( who was picked up on the day of the strikes) and the daily torture they might be enduring

saip · Post by **saip** » 08 Dec 2016 07:44

Aziz bloke is senile and does not remember what he says a minute later

sum · Post by **sum** » 08 Dec 2016 07:47

X-post:

sum wrote:Was this posted?
Baloch specialist to Helm RAW

Special Director of Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) A K Dhasmana is likely to be appointed as the next chief of the country’s external intelligence agency.

The 1981-batch Madhya Pradesh cadre IPS officer’s domain of expertise is considered to be Balochistan, counter-terrorism and Islamic affairs. He also has a vast experience on Pakistan and Afghanistan. He has served in key capitals, including London and Frankfurt and has also handled SAARC and Europe desks.

Dhasmana is also known to enjoy National Security Advisor Ajit Doval’s confidence. He will replace present RAW chief Rajinder Khanna.

India has been pussyfooting on human rights violations in Balochistan though Pakistan has been exploiting the ‘K’ word to the hilt at different international fora.
Officials close to Dhasmana said he is a go-getter and has an extensive network in the region. Through his vast experience and elaborate asset base in the region, he was able to stall the construction of Gwadar port by about six years, a senior agency said.

Pathik · Post by **Pathik** » 08 Dec 2016 07:56

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 864972.cms

48 killed in Pak aircrash

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 08 Dec 2016 07:57

RamSuresh wrote:International passengers, Passenger Manifest

22A and 22C are two foreigners. Are these known names. Is there a connection between the names and the accident?

Looks like Harald Kessler was an employee of Andritz Hydro who has contracts for the Gulpur hydropower station. The Chinese might have been the Chinese engineer, they were sitting next to each other.

https://at.linkedin.com/in/harald-kessler-2674b218
https://www.andritz.com/group/gr-news/g ... m?id=37323

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 08 Dec 2016 09:03

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... n-4416088/
Uri ‘terror guides’ are Class 10 Pakistani kids who strayed across, say family, school
The Ministry of External Affairs said the two had confessed to facilitating the “infiltration of a group of four Jaish-e-Muhammad cadre who carried out the Uri army camp attack.”
TWO Pakistanis arrested by the Army on charges of facilitating the attack on the 12 Infantry Brigade’s headquarters in Uri are Class 10 students who strayed across the Line of Control (LoC), the family of one and the principal of his school have told The Indian Express. The Ministry of External Affairs said the two had confessed to facilitating the “infiltration of a group of four Jaish-e-Muhammad cadre who carried out the Uri army camp attack.” Faisal Husain Awan, a resident of Potha Jandgran near the village of Koomi Kote in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, and his school-friend Ahsan Khursheed, from Khilayana Khurd in Muzaffarabad’s Hattian Bala tehsil, were arrested on September 21, three days after the attack which claimed the lives of 19 soldiers. Both these villages are an hour’s walk from the LoC near Uri.
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Both boys, according to school documents provided by Husain, were 16 years old which — if these documents are authentic — makes them juveniles under Indian law and entitled to special protections, irrespective of their nationality.
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Who are the paymasters of these reporters? A baby cobra is still a cobra and carry enough poison to kill humans. Should we then feed them biryani and send them back to mama and papa?
In USA, there is a saying "adult time for adult crime". For serious crimes such as rape, murder, gang violence etc, juveniles are given life sentences. They are put in a juvenile prison till they are an adult then put in a regular prison to serve out their life sentences. I have met so many such lifers, who did 30-35 years and then released on parole.
Gautam

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 08 Dec 2016 10:27

^^^
We should take one of these 16 year old Paki terror guides. Apply restraints to hands and feet. Then permanently disable one eye with a hot knife. Then we can see what information the Paki is willing to share in order to possibly save his other eye.

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 08 Dec 2016 13:33

Brad Goodman wrote:What's up with Russians? They opposed India at BRICS to defend Pakistan. Same at HOA and this noise over demonetization? Is there a pattern or I am just imagining a conspiracy theory?

it is probably some local officers prodded by the Russ mafia in Goa and other places. they must have lost quite a bit of money in this as well.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 08 Dec 2016 13:38

I guess it is more than local ... there have been more than the usual contacts between the Bakis and the Russians, not that anything has materialized from those contact yet. Russians, per some news report, defended Bakis both at BRICS and HoA summit.

Russians are worried that it may lose it *historic* pull in an India which is more engaged with the world. They are trying to show us that they too have options.

International relations change overt time and there will be adjustments on both sides given *some* divergence in interests. We must accept that and be prepared. Theek hai.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 08 Dec 2016 14:20

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/blog/20 ... in-hearts/

Check the life of this J who was a rock muscian and became a Jihadi

The life in the 80s was the f16 generation which turned into a religious one after 2000

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 Dec 2016 15:01

svinayak wrote:http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/blog/20 ... in-hearts/

Check the life of this J who was a rock muscian and became a Jihadi

The life in the 80s was the f16 generation which turned into a religious one after 2000

There is a stinky Pakistani fart in that farticle:

The widely-admired singer never actually intended to opt for a career in music, and tried his hand in the Pakistan Air Force as an F-16 fighter pilot. However, his weak eyesight held him back from his dream, and he only served a short stint in PAF as a civilian contractor.

Peregrine · Post by **Peregrine** » 08 Dec 2016 16:22

X Posted on the PESW Thread

World Bank cancels $100 million loan for Pakistan

ISLAMABAD: The World Bank has cancelled a $100 million loan to Pakistan for a natural gas efficiency project due to no progress in achieving the development objectives and a lack of interest on the part of the gas distribution company.

The project, which was to be carried out by Sui Southern Gas Company (SSGC) in its distribution areas in Karachi, interior Sindh and Balochistan, was aimed at enhancing the supply of natural gas by reducing physical and commercial losses of gas in the pipeline system.

A World Bank report said the failure of the project led to its closure and, as a result, the levels of unaccounted-for gas (UFG) remained high while continuing to drain the precious natural resource, the Dawn reported.

Illegal connections, one of the drivers of UFG, were increasing at a rate faster than the countervailing reduction of technical losses.

Justifying its rating of "unsatisfactory", the World Bank report said it should have exercised caution and not proceeded with a project that did not receive sustained interest from the board and management of SSGC, which had insufficient ownership in the project.

Against the original commitment of $200m, the bank had disbursed only $0.25m. World Bank Amar Rahay

The ministry of petroleum and natural gas was keen on the reduction of UFG, which was on the rise at the time of the project preparation and increased further during the project implementation phase.

Oil and Gas Regulatory Authority (Ogra) had imposed a penalty on gas companies for UFG beyond the benchmark of 4.5 per cent.

Bureaucratic processes within SSGC also contributed to procurement delays and bid expiration. The SSGC management attributed the failure of the project to the procurement process.

Most of UFG comes from dilapidated or deteriorating pipelines, leaking joints, gas theft in the form of tampered-with metres, illegal connections and malfunctioning metering equipment.

The World Bank undertook a strategic review of the project, which identified strong implementation challenges with no progress towards achieving the development objectives of the project as well as no disbursement against project-related activities.
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