Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Peregrine » 18 Jan 2017 16:44

Relationship with Pakistan extraordinarily complicated: US

WASHINGTON: Describing the US' relationship with Pakistan as extraordinarily complicated, the outgoing Obama administration has hoped that President-elect Donald Trump would deepen counter-terrorism cooperation with the country to make America a safer place.

"Obviously, the United States has an extraordinarily complicated relationship, particularly when it comes to national security with Pakistan," White House press secretary Josh Earnest said yesterday.

"There are some areas where the United States and Pakistan have been able to effectively cooperate to counter terrorism and to fight extremism, and that's served the interest of both countries, and obviously, tragically, Pakistan is a country where many victims of terrorism have been claimed," he said. What's so tragic about being CWAPISTANIS BEING SLAUGHTERED BY CWAPISTAN OWN BRED TERRORISTS?

He said that Obama is certainly interested and hopeful that the next administration will be able to deepen that cooperation with Pakistan as it would enhance security in Pakistan and make America safer too.HOW ABOUT THINKING OF INDIANS, AFGHANS AND OTHERS BEING SLAUGHTERED BY CWAPISTANI BRED TERRORISTS?

Responding to a question on Afghanistan, Earnest said it will be the kind of issue that historians spend a lot of time looking at when evaluating President Obama's presidency.

"What President Obama promised to do when taking office was to refocus our attention on the threat from Al-Qaeda that emanates in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region, and President Obama put in place a strategy, working closely with his national security team at the state department and the intelligence community, and of course the Department of Defense," he said.

"Over the course of several years, in part relying on some new capabilities, succeeded in decimating core al-Qaida that previously menaced the United States from hideouts in the Afghanistan- Pakistan region," he added.

But the threat in that region of the world has not been eliminated and there continue to be a smaller number of US service members keeping us safe, engaging in counter-terrorism operations in Afghanistan, Earnest said.

"They're also working closely with thousands of troops from our NATO partners who are also there doing the same thing," he said.

"And I know there has been a question raised about how important a role NATO has played when it comes to counter-terrorism. You have to look no further than Afghanistan to assess just how valuable a contribution that they have made to that effort," he added.

Asserting that the situation in Afghanistan continues to be a concern, Earnest said the President would acknowledge that it is an area where the US has made important progress that has made the American people safer.

"...but there's still important work to be done in this region of the world and this is a responsibility that the incoming President will assume," he said. Easy Solution : Destroy Cwapistan
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby anupmisra » 18 Jan 2017 19:19

Be warned!! Coming to a neighborhood near you:

(Paki) Culture should be exported (to India) as well: Shaan's message for PM Nawaz

Pakistani actor Shaan Shahid told Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif that there should be a committee for Pakistani movies to be exported to India as well, other than a committee that focuses on Bollywood films being imported to Pakistan.
A humble request to the prime minister, sir, if you are making a committee for Indian films so they can be shown in Pakistan. Please make a committee so that the Pakistani films can be shown in India also as culture should not only be imported but it can be exported also


Haramiyon ka link: https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/18004 ... r-PM-Nawaz

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Falijee » 18 Jan 2017 23:09

Goat ( Sacrifice) News Goes Global !

When an Airline Suffered Misfortune, Some Looked for a Goat :mrgreen:
New York Times

Every superstitious passenger has ways of dealing with the existential uncertainties of air travel, but the ground crew of one Pakistani airliner raised the stakes on preflight rituals when it sacrificed a goat on the runway.
The age-old custom in Pakistan for warding off evil and bad luck is simple: Slaughter an animal. For extra luck, make it a black goat. Is it an "Islamic custom" sanctified by the Head Of The Two Holy Mosques, sitting in S.A, and reinforced, for extra measure by a fatwa or is it an "Kaffir" custom :twisted:
Last month, just a few days after a Pakistan International Airlines propeller plane crashed, killing all 48 people on board, some members of the airline’s staff felt the flying public could use some extra luck. A photo went viral of a group of men slaughtering a black goat on the tarmac of Islamabad’s Benazir Bhutto International Airport, its blood staining the ground in front of an airplane.
Such rituals are common in Pakistan, a majority Muslim country, but the sacrifice was quickly ridiculed by the country’s educated elites. ( For the skeptics, there is an "extra layer of spiritual security ": Islamic prayers before take off and "Ah-hamdu-lillah" after safe landing :mrgreen: )
It also seems to have had the unintended consequence of scaring passengers who worried that slaughtering goats was the airline’s best effort at ensuring its planes were safe to fly.
“This is so beyond stupid,” read a Twitter post by Adil Najam, a well-known Pakistani academic who is also the dean of the Pardee School of Global Studies at Boston University. ( And a La-whori Uber Nationalist and Fauji supporter !)
A poor goat “gets slaughtered by #PIA to keep its planes safe,” Professor Najam wrote. Will Pee-Eye- Ae lose this "valued" customer ?
Aides to former President Asif Ali Zardari White (westernized ) on the outside, brown ( desi) on the inside :roll:were known to sacrifice animals whenever Mr. Zardari found himself in the midst of a political scandal.Mr. Zardari would also frequently travel on the advice of a trusted spiritual healer, who would tell the president when he should leave the capital, Islamabad, to visit Karachi.
Mr. Zardari, whose wife, Benazir Bhutto, was assassinated, survived his full term despite several political crises. Many Pakistanis attributed his resilience to the advice of healers and soothsayers. Not to forget his much -publicized visit to Ajmer -Sharif , where the promised "huge donation" materialized only after quite a few gentle reminders to the Govt Of Pakistan by the Dewan of the Dargah !
In a statement, the airline distanced itself from the crewmen who killed the goat. The men, the airline said, were not authorized to conduct the sacrifice.
But why were they not stopped in the first place, so the Airline and "good name" of Pakistan , does not become a "laughing stock" in this day and age of Social Media :mrgreen:


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Falijee » 19 Jan 2017 00:12

Pakistan will not release doctor who helped CIA find Osama bin Laden
By Nandini Krishnamoorthy
January 18, 2017 12:18 GMT

Dr Shakil Afridi was accused of running a fake vaccination campaign in which he collected DNA samples to help the US.


The "poor doctor" is a collateral damage item in an Echendee struggle between the incoming Trump Admin ( wanting his release ASAP) and the Pakistan Govt.

Author Seymour Hersh has written an "inside account" of this OBL raid , in his book "The Killing Of Obama Bin Laden", wherein he disputes most of the publicized account by the Obama Admin, including the "anger" felt by the Deep State as their co-operation was completely discounted and the public announcement was made too soon for their liking among many other things !

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Postby Falijee » 19 Jan 2017 00:26

Pakistan Media Watch ‏@PakPressWatch Jan 17

American govt cancels visa of 'Dr' Amir Liaquat and bans him from entering the USA for ten years over extremism n money-laundering 1/4

First, this Jamat-e-Islami sympathizer was accused of "buying" a PhD from" Axaact University". And now this "bad news" from the US Govt ! And yet nothing seems to unfrazzle this be-sharam " TV Doctor" :shock:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby ricky_v » 19 Jan 2017 00:49

gurus, i have a pooch
what is the outlook of Islam on local cultures assimilation wise?
also why did shitistan not go with the culturally superior outlook of the iranians instead of opting for the bleak views of the desertstan?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Bart S » 19 Jan 2017 02:07

ricky_v wrote:gurus, i have a pooch
what is the outlook of Islam on local cultures assimilation wise?
also why did shitistan not go with the culturally superior outlook of the iranians instead of opting for the bleak views of the desertstan?


Saar it was the other way round. Just when the Arabs had a shot of modernizing the hindustani muslims from Deoband and similar areas started out what would eventually lead to Wahabi-ism and general Salafism. It is these extremist retards, with some opportunists and others just caught up in the mess, who founded Pakistan.

So Pakis were always Pakis, except that unlike the Arab Salafis they don't even have a real heritage or culture (that they can own up to anyway). Everything from their claimed ancestry to their heroes after whom they name their missiles are neither culturally nor geographically theirs, so they are stuck in the state of being perpetual hangers-on.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Falijee » 19 Jan 2017 02:27

Religious Students Take Over Torturing Duties From Deep State :roll:

Lahore student tortured for tweeting on missing digital activists

LAHORE:
A student of the University Law College was tortured and confined for over three hours by activists of a religio-political student union for tweeting for the safe recovery of Salman Haider and other social activists who have been missing for over two weeks now.Taking notice of the incident, the Punjab University administration has registered a case with the Muslim Town police.Suhail Ahmad, a law student and a national level distinguished debater who lives in the Punjab University hostel, had tweeted in support of the Islamabad-based missing Salman Haider and also shared a poem of Faiz Ahmed Faiz to express solidarity with the missing men.
The post on Twitter infuriated some members of the Islami Jamiat-e-Talaba (IJT) – the student wing of the Jamaat-e-Islami. Over 14 activists of the IJT barged into his hostel room on Monday night and forcibly took him to Room No. 139, reportedly a torture cell used by the student union to teach a ‘lesson’ to dissidents.The victim told The Express Tribune that the activists put a blanket over him and continued thrashing him for quite some time before taking him to the hostel’s courtyard.
Suhail said he was crying for help but no security guard came forward to rescue him. He was released near Mustafa Town after three hours on the intervention of some leaders of the IJT’s parent political party. The victim was tortured brutally and has been admitted to hospital for treatment.
A senior PU professor on condition of anonymity said the newly appointed vice-chancellor had issued directions to the administration to start reconciliation with the IJT. A notification was issued recently to withdraw cases registered against the student activists for disturbing peace at the campus.
The Punjab University spokesman said on the directions of PU Vice-Chancellor Dr Zafar Mueen Nasir, the administration forwarded the complaint of torture on Suhail and registered an FIR with the Muslim Town police. After the incident, the vice-chancellor had also visited the hostel, he added.
The spokesman rejected the impression that the IJT had been given a free hand to operate at the campus. “The administration will not compromise on the law and order situation and will take action against elements involved as per its rules,” he added.Veteran human rights activist IA Rehman said the government must ensure the safety of the citizens. “This is not a civilised way of governance,” he added.While IJT spokesperson Amjad Bukhari confirmed the incident took place, he claimed the issue was born out of a personal feud between the students of University Law College and Punjab University. “The IJT has nothing to do with it,” he added.

So,it seems that the Islami Jamiat -e-Talaba (IJT) has become the "eyes and ears" of the "Deep State" on PU campus . And it is possible that they may have been given permission by the Intelligence Bureau to take "suitable action" before the matter becomes serious ! It is truly regrettable that these thugs of the Islamic Brigade can take justice in their own hand and the Punjab University, a reputable institution at ONE time, cows down , and one has to speak " of the record" for fear of reprisals . So much so for "democracy and rule of law" in Pakistan !

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Falijee » 19 Jan 2017 03:07

Ex - Ambassador Munter Shows "Diplomatic Etiquette" In Front Of " Bad Sharif" In Davos :wink:

Pakistan did not know about OBL's whereabouts: Munter
The Express Tribune > Pakistan

DAVOS:
Former US ambassador to Pakistan Cameron Munter on Wednesday said Pakistan was unaware al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden was residing in Abbottabad but the incident deepened mistrust between Islamabad and Washington.“Those who claimed that Pakistan knew about the whereabouts of bin Laden were wrong,” said Munter, who is currently president of East-West Institute, a non government organisation working for conflict resolution, while speaking at a dinner hosted by chairman Pathfinder Group in honour of former army chief General Raheel Sharif.
It would be in "extremely bad taste " of Munter to spoil Raheel's dinner by telling the truth! By the way, Munter is one of the very few Americans ( like Robin Raphael ) who still insists that "Pakistan is getting a raw deal" from the US. Is ISI funding his Institute in any way ? :mrgreen:
The former envoy said Pak-US relations were greatly affected by ‘two myths’. The Pakistan myth is that Americans used Pakistan when it needed and abandoned it afterwards while the US myth was that Pakistan would not be a reliable partner despite getting billions of dollars in aid, both military and civilian.
The former envoy, however, struck a positive note and said that during the past three years, relations between the US and Pakistan have significantly improved. He said that in order to build trust we have to be patient.
Munter praised former military chief Raheel Sharif, saying the “General showed a style of openness to achieve goals.”
Nothing about the "almost accepted" Saudi appointment !

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Postby Falijee » 19 Jan 2017 04:04

[url=https://www.yahoo.com/tech/pakistanT

Pakistani right cries 'blasphemy' to muzzle progressives
[AFP]
Issam AHMED, Gohar ABBAS
AFPJanuary 16, 2017

Islamabad (AFP) - A virulent social media campaign to paint five disappeared Pakistani activists as blasphemers deserving execution has spotlighted how right-wing efforts to muzzle liberal voices using the country's draconian laws have found a powerful new platform online.The five men had stood against religious intolerance and at times criticised Pakistan's military, with several of them running progressive Facebook pages.They vanished within days of each other earlier this month, sparking fears of a government crackdown. No group has claimed responsibility. Security sources denied being involved. This is a familiar pattern. The affected persons are either "let go" with a severe warning to "cease and desist" or weeks and months later, an unidentified body shows up either on a isolated road or a riverbank , which people may tie in to earlier disappearances
Islamabad (AFP) - A virulent social media campaign to paint five disappeared Pakistani activists as blasphemers deserving execution has spotlighted how right-wing efforts to muzzle liberal voices using the country's draconian laws have found a powerful new platform online.
The five men had stood against religious intolerance and at times criticised Pakistan's military, with several of them running progressive Facebook pages.
They vanished within days of each other earlier this month, sparking fears of a government crackdown. No group has claimed responsibility. Security sources denied being involved. The threat of "blasphemy" is a powerful weapon in the hands of the "Deep State" and it's supporters !
"The group of atheists committing blasphemy on Facebook... have been defeated," said a recent post by Pakistan Defence, a powerful pro-military Facebook page run by anonymous right-wing elements which has 7.5 million likes.The post, liked more than 5,400 times, triggered a flood of threats including one suggesting the activists' "bullet riddled corpses should be found beside any gutter".Other pages such as ISI Pakistan1, with 192,000 Facebook likes, called for such "enemies of Islam" to be "eliminated".Fear being spread in the name of "free speech" :evil:
A number of NGOs and observers believe the campaigns to silence progressive voices are carefully coordinated.Digital rights activist Dad points to what she says is a periodic surge of new right-wing Twitter accounts with just a handful of followers whose "only purpose is to attack us."The end result is often self-censorship, with the online attacks following a well-worn pattern.Journalist Rabia Mehmood criticised Pakistan online after human rights activist Sabeen Mahmud was assassinated in 2015. Presumably by the Deep State or its Agents !
Mehmood received a barrage of death and rape threats on Twitter and Facebook, including many from newly created accounts, accusing her of being anti-state and an enemy of Islam."Overnight there were tweets warning me that there were bullets with my name on them for criticising the military and the intelligence agencies," she said. "Since then I have started watching what I say." "Progressive Pakistanis " are deluding themselves if they think that they can freely communicate online ! I can see the day when locals representating foreign press agencies ( Reuters, AFP, AP, VOA ) are advised not to take up assignments or to do self censorship !
Pakistan used its legal agreements with Facebook and Twitter to temporarily remove a slew of left-wing accounts in 2014, and enacted a cybercrime law last year that critics say will stifle genuine dissent.Meanwhile, pages such as Pakistan Defence appear to operate freely, despite content that would appear to contravene basic community standards.A Twitter spokesman said support teams have been retrained on enforcement policies, "including special sessions on cultural and historical contextualisation of hateful conduct". So, these online services are operating in Pakiland under certain constraints, at the mercy of the authorities :shock:
n 2011 a liberal governor who criticised the laws was gunned down in Islamabad, while in 2014 a Christian couple falsely accused of desecrating the Koran were killed by a mob, their bodies burned in a brick kiln, to cite just two examples."If they come back I don't think they have a life in this country," said Shahzad Ahmed, director of campaign group Bytes For All. "They will have to leave."
The Deep State will go to any length to preserve the "Islamic Ideology" of Pakistan (whatever it means !)

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Postby Falijee » 19 Jan 2017 04:17

Foreign investment jumps 44 percent :shock:

ISLAMABAD, Jan 17 (APP): Net foreign investment in Pakistanhas increased by more than 44 per cent in the first seven months of the current fiscal year as compared with the corresponding period of preceding year. A report published in a section of press quoting the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) said net foreign investment stood at $1.18 billion between July and January 2010-11. ( Lahori logic, Sialkoti Statistics or old item being recycled or just a Typo ! :mrgreen: ) According to the report, net foreign portfolio investments increased by 176 per cent to reach $234.8 million, helping bolster total investments, even though foreign direct investments dropped by 16 per cent to $947 million. :roll:


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Postby Falijee » 19 Jan 2017 04:31

Zarb-i-Azb in North Waziristan cost $1.9 billion: expert :roll:

Send Bill ( By E - mail ) to Massa under "Coalition Support" ASAP Before January 20, 2017 :twisted:

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Postby Falijee » 19 Jan 2017 04:53

SenatorSherryRehman ( "Companion" of Dus Percenti And The "Liberal Face" Of Pakiland) says :

Good dinner mtgs with head of Foreign Relations Committee Sen McCain and other senior Republicans like Sen Lindsay Graham in Washington. :lol:

Her party is not in power ! Diplomat etiquette being abused for partisan purposes ?

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Postby Falijee » 19 Jan 2017 06:55

BBC Urdu Correspondent Under Investigation By His Employer For Re-Cycling An Old Report As New ; Re: Ownership Of Ganja Sharif's Mayfair Flats .

Internal investigation against the BBC reporter used by PTI in PANAMA Case

Ather Kazmi’s interview with Jahangir Tareen was not allowed on BBC; Kazmi attacked Maulana Rehman with Imran Khan’s nephew in London; BBC embarrassed that its platform used to present an old story on Park Lane flats as new. Paki politics creeps into BBC :-?
BBC has started internal investigation against the reporter who has been accused by BBC itself of “misusing the platform of BBC” to publish a story on Park Lane flats owned by sons of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif.Highly reliable sources in BBC have confirmed that reporter Ather Kazmi has been accused by the BBC management of playing into the hands of Pakistani political party by getting uploaded “an old story as new” and the “regurgitate version” of what has been published and said hundreds of times.The embarrassing development at the BBC Urdu came similar to a another big embarrassment in July 2015 when BBC Urdu was called inefficient and loose when BBC Urdu reporter Ahmed Khawaja sent a tweet mistakenly claiming the Queen had died. The BBC said the tweets – which were picked up by news outlets worldwide – were “a grave error of judgement”.
The reporter should have been fired then !
Story on Panama involving has been held up by Imran Khan as a new revelation while it has been dismissed by PMLN and independent observers.The BBC source said: “The BBC has been put into a very embarrassing situation. The article carries nothing new. Our reporter misled the duty editor who thought the article was carrying new information. Now, if we take it down it will result into a bigger scandal and will make headlines. We have been told by credible sources that the reporter involved in the writing of this reporter was passed on file which is part of the supreme court papers and contents of these papers have been in public domain for a long time.” Wonder what role, Imran Khan played in all of this ? :mrgreen:
BBC Urdu reported that properties owned by the Sharif family in London’s upscale Park Lane neighbourhood were purchased in the 1990s and there has been no change of ownership since then. The report said that the four flats were purchased in the name of the Nielsen and Nescoll companies.
The PTI has been trying to establish that Maryam Nawaz, and not her brother Hussain Nawaz, as stated by the PML-N earlier, was the beneficial owner of Minerva Financial Services Limited, which held Nescoll Limited and Nielson Enterprises Limited — the owners of the London flats.

Imran Khan has been using his" high" contacts in Londonistan to (i) embarrass Ganja Sharif and his family, who have been "quietly trying to "enjoy" their London property ( no peace for the wicked and the crooked :mrgreen: ) (ii) embarrass Altaf Bhai by pressuring Scotland Yard to be partisan in "proving" money laundering and murder charges against this Karachi Don !

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby SSridhar » 19 Jan 2017 12:03

anupmisra wrote:Be warned!! Coming to a neighborhood near you:(Paki) Culture should be exported (to India) as well: Shaan's message for PM Nawaz
A humble request to the prime minister, sir, if you are making a committee for Indian films so they can be shown in Pakistan. Please make a committee so that the Pakistani films can be shown in India also as culture should not only be imported but it can be exported also


The Pakis must first have a committee to decide whether acting is permitted by Shariah or not, then on how to make films, then building theatres to show them, then on how to screen them in Pakistan in an 'Islamic' way etc. before thinking of exporting elsewhere, much less India.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Falijee » 19 Jan 2017 17:34

JUD Seeks Orders Removal Of Name From Watchlist


The Newspaper's Staff Reporter — Published about 10 hours ago

ISLAMABAD: Jamaatud Dawa (JuD) has filed a petition in the Islamabad High Court (IHC) seeking the removal of its name from the watchlist under Schedule 2 of the Anti Terrorism Act (ATA) 1997.Raja Rizwan Abbasi filed JuD’s petition before the IHC. JuD is alleged to be an incarnation of the banned Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and was placed on the watchlist in December 2008.
Following the Dec 2001 attack on the Indian parliament, the government of Pakistan banned LeT on Jan 14, 2002. After its proscription, the organisation continued to operate under the banner of JuD and the Falah-i-Insaniat Foundation (FIF) is its welfare arm.However, under pressure from the United Nations, the government placed both JuD and FIF on its watchlist in Dec 2008 and March 2012, respectively.According to Section 11(D) of ATA, the federal government may place an organisation under observation if it “has reason to believe that an organization is acting in a manner that it may be concerned in terrorism.”According to advocate Abbasi, the federal government placed JuD on the watchlist without completing codal formalities, which is an unlawful act. IHC Justice Shaukat Aziz Siddiqui would hear the petition on Thursday.


Published in Dawn, January 19th, 2017

Jamaatud Dawa ( JuD) or LET which is a virtual arm of the Deep State, was put on this list under intense pressure from UN. Very little has happened since then to tame this terrorist entity . And the petitioner now claims that the "Federal Govt placed JUD on the watchlist without completing codal formalities which is an unlawful act"! . Buzz words to pretend that Pakistan is a nation where "things" are done in a legal way, and since in this case no formalities were followed, this should now be overturned. What BS . :twisted:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby ricky_v » 19 Jan 2017 19:59

Bart S wrote:
ricky_v wrote:gurus, i have a pooch
what is the outlook of Islam on local cultures assimilation wise?
also why did shitistan not go with the culturally superior outlook of the iranians instead of opting for the bleak views of the desertstan?


Saar it was the other way round. Just when the Arabs had a shot of modernizing the hindustani muslims from Deoband and similar areas started out what would eventually lead to Wahabi-ism and general Salafism. It is these extremist retards, with some opportunists and others just caught up in the mess, who founded Pakistan.

So Pakis were always Pakis, except that unlike the Arab Salafis they don't even have a real heritage or culture (that they can own up to anyway). Everything from their claimed ancestry to their heroes after whom they name their missiles are neither culturally nor geographically theirs, so they are stuck in the state of being perpetual hangers-on.


no saar for me saar. so it was actually the forerunners of munna who gave the final outlook of abba. i was wondering why the urdu culture not revert / morph back to the persian culture with sunni views.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby ramana » 19 Jan 2017 20:42

ricky_v, Will reply in understanding Islamic Society thread....

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby anupmisra » 19 Jan 2017 22:07

Great news, al lurkers-e-momeens of the emirates of al bakistan. Bill ("Billoo") Gates, billionaire-philanthropist, promised No-voice Sharif today that he will soon visit al bakistan. Before you go delirious on us, please read on...

The two leaders met on the sidelines on World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland where they discussed Pakistan's efforts to eradicate the polio virus from the country
Sharif briefed the philanthropist on measures taken by the federal government to "catalyse" the fight against polio
"There’s very few cases left, just two countries at this point, Pakistan and Afghanistan, and with any luck, either this year or next year we will have the last cases of those," Gates had said


So, Billoo is coming to do an inspection. With luck, he may make it back to the civilized world with his wallet intact.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1309429/bill-g ... -pm-office

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby milano » 19 Jan 2017 23:13

After months of reading opinion pieces from Pak newspapers, and seeing the same garbage put out under different names (India being bad and violating LOC for no good reason, RAW terror in Baluchistan, give us Kashmir etc), Finally a plain-speaking and reasonably well balanced opinion piece from a former Pak diplomat (living in safety as an Academic in Amreeka) that is worth reading. He sure does not look like he is beholden to the Deep State in anyway. Only tangential mention of India; the article is more focused on how Pak can get back on Amreeka's good side by playing nice on Afghanistan. Nice zinger or two in the last para.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1299748/us-pakistan-relations-inconvenient-truths/

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Falijee » 20 Jan 2017 02:46

Bad Sharif Switches From "Anti- Terrorism" Advice To Kashmir Bakwaas - At Davos !

Pakistan wants peace but Kashmir dispute to be resolved first, General (R) Raheel Sharif says at Davos :((

DAVOS: Pakistan Army former Chief General (R) Raheel Sharif has termed the Kashmir issue as the key to solution of issues between Pakistan and India.Former army chief General (retd) Raheel Sharif has termed Kashmir as the unfinished agenda of Partition, saying normality will return to the region only after resolving the long-standing dispute.
IOW, the policy of using non-state actors will continue !
The ex-COAS expressed these remarks while speaking at ‘Pakistan Breakfast’ on the sidelines of World Economic Forum (WEF)’s 47th annual meeting on Thursday.The session was arranged by Pathfinder Group in its efforts to promote the country at the forum attended by the world’s leading political and business personalities.Gen (retd) Raheel stressed that the Kashmir issue should be resolved as per aspirations of the Kashmiri people, and resolutions of the United Nations to achieve durable peace in South Asia. “Pakistan needs peace but the core issue is Kashmir, which has to be resolved first,” he said. So, he was speaking mostly to a partisan Paki audience and not at an official Davos gathering, but still no official explanation as to why the Saudi offer was turned down :mrgreen:

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http://indianexpress.com/article/world/ ... d-4482198/
Top Pak MPs become millionaires overnight, probe ordered
The Speaker informed the apex bank governor that these transactions were fake.
Pakistan’s top politicians, including the Speaker and Leader of the Opposition have said that someone has deposited Rs 100 million each into fake accounts opened in their names, prompting a high-level probe.
National Assembly Speaker Ayaz Sadiq, Senate Chairman Raza Rabbani and Leader of the Opposition Syed Khurshid Shah claimed yesterday that fake bank accounts had been opened in their names and that transactions worth tens of millions of rupees had been made from those accounts.
Leader of the Opposition in the Senate Aitzaz Ahsan, Kashmir Committee Chairman Maulana Fazlur Rehman and others also claimed that fake accounts were being operated in their names, the Dawn reported today.
According to a statement issued by the National Assembly Secretariat, Speaker Sadiq has ordered the State Bank governor and the Federal Investigation Agency director general to investigate the matter after he received a fake bank receipt of a fixed deposit account that he did not operate.
The Speaker informed the apex bank governor that these transactions were fake. The statement also claimed that the speaker did not possess any bank account in the city or the bank mentioned on the transactions receipt.
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Lakhvi’s ‘nephew’ gunned down in Bandipora - Peerzada Ashiq, The Hindu
Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) militant Abu Musaib, who is reportedly the nephew of 26/11 Mumbai attack mastermind Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, was killed in an encounter in north Kashmir on Thursday. “Our sources suggest slain Musaib is the nephew of Lakhvi. However, the security agencies until now have not intercepted any communication to confirm it,” Director General of Police S.P. Vaid said.

In his thirties, Musaib, who had been the LeT’s divisional commander in Bandipora district since 2015, was killed in an encounter with the police and the Army’s 13 Rashtriya Rifles unit at Para Mohallah in the district’s Hajin area.

One militant is believed to have escaped. A policeman from the Special Operation Group was also injured and is now undergoing treatment at the Army hospital here.

Sources said Musaib was in the security agencies’ radar ever since he snatched the weapon of a soldier from 14 Rashtriya Rifles in Bandipora in October 2015.

Last year, he reportedly killed two army personnel in Hajin and played “an active role” in organising the fidayeen (suicide) attack at Srinagar’s Nowhatta area on August 15, 2016.

Influential leader

The LeT commander, sources said, had succeeded in galvanising support for militancy in the Sumbal-Sonamarg axis in north Kashmir. Last month, security agencies alerted National Security Advisor Ajit Doval about growing militancy in Ganderbal, Sumbal and Kangan, and called for increased area domination by the security forces.

According to the Pakistani media, Lakhvi’s two sons, Abu Qatal and Abu Qasim, were killed in Bandipora in 2003 and 2005 respectively.

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Lashkar, not Jaish, behind Uri attack: NIA - Vijaita Singh, The Hindu
The National Investigation Agency (NIA) said on Thursday that it was the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), not Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM), that carried out the terror attack at an Army camp in Uri last year.

Within hours of the attack that killed 18 soldiers on September 18 last year, Director General of Military Operations Lt. General Ranbir Singh, told a press conference in Delhi that the attack was carried out by two terrorists belonging to the JeM.

“The data recovered from the three GPS sets that were used by the terrorists point to Lashkar involvement. We have a fair idea of the route they took to enter the camp. The data points towards known launching pads of the LeT in Pakistan,” an NIA official said {There is practically no distinction between LeT & JeM. They both use each other's facilities, conduct joint operations. No hair splitting is needed. ISI has been using JeM under the guise of LeT as it wants to protect at least JeM now that LeT has been totally discredited and there is enormous pressure on it. That is why China is also against JeM chief being brought under UNSC 1267. Let's not fall into this trap.} on Thursday.

The official said posters of one of the killed Uri attackers, identified as Abu Anas, had come up in Pakistan’s Gujranwala in October calling upon people to participate in his funeral in absentia.

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Is a Pakistan-India war just one terrorist attack away?

http://herald.dawn.com/news/1153648/is- ... ttack-away

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We arrived in New Delhi on September 26, 2016 — a week after the Uri attack had left at least 17 Indian soldiers dead. India attributed the attack to Pakistan-based militants who had crossed into Kashmir. The political class and media were in an uproar, demanding retribution. We were there to launch our new book, Not War, Not Peace?. Its purpose is precisely to analyse Indian options to motivate Pakistan for preventing such cross-border terrorism.

One of us braved the Indian-television scene and appeared on several news and discussion shows with various Indian counterparts to discuss what India could – or should – do to respond to this latest attack. The discussions on these shows were desultory and loud. The question for most participants was not whether to carry out a military reprisal, but rather how hard to strike. Some went so far as to say India should not shy away from the threat of nuclear war in mounting military operations against Pakistan. When we presented the book’s analysis to a group of eminent generals and ambassadors – serving and retired – they also, generally, insisted that India must strike back to demonstrate resolve.

On the afternoon of September 29, India’s director general for military operations, Lieutenant General Ranbir Singh, announced that the Indian army had carried out “surgical strikes” on “terrorist launch pads” on Pakistan’s side of the Line of Control (LoC). The official announcement was thin on details: nothing about the units involved, how far they had crossed into the other side, how many “launch pads” had been attacked or how many terrorists were killed. Operational details were later supplied by Indian media sources, but much of this coverage stretched credulity.
It is most likely that Indian and Pakistani leaders will continue with the same policies and tactics.

Details aside, the Indian operations were acclaimed as a tactical success. And they certainly were a public relations victory for the Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s administration. Triumphal adulation poured in from across the political spectrum, especially from the right, praising the brave actions of the army commandos and the decisive leadership of the government (captured by the hashtag #ModiPunishesPak on Twitter).
The Congress party’s vice president, Rahul Gandhi, gave Modi his “full support and that of the Congress party” and declared that “the entire nation is standing by him.” Ram Madhav, general secretary of the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), threatened: “For one tooth, the complete jaw.” And prominent television talk-show host, Arnab Goswami, taunted on Twitter: “Dear terrorists, you don’t need to cross LoC for getting killed [sic]. Army has started home delivery … ”

After having absorbed terrorism from Pakistan for years with no discernable military reaction, India’s “surgical strikes” seemed to produce a national catharsis. They were hailed as the end to the policy of strategic restraint that had informed India’s response to prior attacks, which had come to be seen as a sign of weakness rather than wise leadership. Some scholars argued that the strikes had redrawn deterrence redlines and that India had proven Pakistan’s nuclear threats to be empty.

In Pakistan, the reaction was the polar opposite. “What surgical strikes?” asked government officials, military spokesmen and media commentators alike. India had done nothing more than routine shelling, they suggested, causing minimal damage. In any case, the Uri attack was a false flag operation, orchestrated by India’s Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), as a way of justifying Indian “retaliation” and the public relations triumph that would follow.

Whether Pakistan’s response reflected reality (that the Indian operation killed few if any soldiers and militants), or was a semantic dodge (that the Indian actions were not technically “surgical strikes”), Pakistan’s relative nonchalance avoided an immediate escalation of conflict.
The ensuing weeks saw a significant increase in violence. Shelling and other actions along the LoC since then have claimed the lives of at least 115 soldiers by our count from news reports. Civilians on both sides have also been deliberately targeted and killed. An attack on another Indian army base at Nagrota resulted in the deaths of seven Indian soldiers. The cross-border ceasefire – often broken since it was agreed upon in 2003 – may now be truly dead and buried. But, as yet, no major escalation beyond these “normal” hostilities has occurred.

India is on a major military spending spree — procuring advanced air, land and naval weapons platforms.

The lack of escalation is certainly good news. Still, the situation remains precarious. Whether or not the Pakistani security establishment can completely control all actors who have the determination and capability to conduct attacks in Jammu and Kashmir and the Indian heartland, there is sufficient evidence for Indian (and international) officials to conclude that Pakistan still has not done all it can to curtail infiltrations and attacks against India.

If a new attack occurs and inflicts major casualties in India, especially among civilians in the heartland, the kudos the Modi government won at home for the response to Uri will compel it to act more forcefully. Pakistani military and civilian leaders, fearful of each other and of militant political forces, cannot let a substantial Indian military operation against targets on Pakistani soil go unanswered.

In this context, the lack of any apparent strategy and political determination (in both India and Pakistan) to change the current dynamic and establish a peacemaking process is dangerous. Can serious people in either country believe this situation is sustainable over a long-term period, that violence can continue to be managed?

Reactions to Not War, Not Peace? illustrate the problem. The book analyses whether India’s army-based reprisal with armoured incursions into Pakistan – limited precision air strikes, covert operations, changes in nuclear doctrine or non-violent means of compelling Pakistan – would be likely to motivate the other side to prevent further cross-border terrorism — and with what risks of escalation? Each of these options has been debated in India. The book makes no recommendations, but rather seeks to assess the logic and capabilities India would need in each case, and to explore the potential implications if India actually undertook any of the actions mentioned above. {I am sure that the authors concluded that India was effectively cornered, could do nothing and its present policy was dangerous etc.}

As it turned out, India’s “surgical strikes” were less extensive than any of the military options we had considered in the book. But the attack on the army base at Uri was also less provocative than a major terrorist attack on civilian targets that we had postulated about.

Before the Uri attack, early Indian reviews of the book praised it for, among other things, being “remarkably devoid of judgment,” and providing “sustained analysis [that] is rare in Indian strategic discussions.” But, after Uri, we were accused of a myriad sins, including “trying to scare and deter India from taking any action against Pakistan” and justifying Pakistan’s “terrorism-based strategy”.

The cheerleading in India surrounding the “surgical strikes” has not given way to more sober analysis of long-term strategy.

Readers in Pakistan called us, among other colourful characterisations, “Indian lobbyists in Washington spewing disinformation and hatred against Pakistan,” and alleged that we had crafted “a devil’s cookbook”, with recipes for how India can coerce Pakistan. Based on the analysis presented in Not War, Not Peace? and related articles, some American colleagues accused us of soft-peddling on Pakistan, with one suggesting we did so in order to get visas to travel there.

If it is difficult for some in South Asia (and in the United States) to seriously engage with the kind of dispassionate analysis we present in Not War, Not Peace?, then it is no surprise that the political and media classes in both societies, with some notable exceptions, are unwilling to stick their necks out to urge both governments to change course and pursue mutual accommodation. We recognise that, as Americans, we provoke special responses. We must be either pro-Pakistan/anti-India (in India), or pro-India/anti-Pakistan (in Pakistan). Or we are seen as agents of the American government, advocating a policy intended to weaken one state or the other.

But when the messenger – whether American, Pakistani, Indian or other – becomes the focus of debate, rather than the merits or demerits of the message, it is difficult for anyone to develop and promote analyses and ideas that can challenge prevailing narratives and divert actors from a dangerous course. (We are painfully aware that this phenomenon has now bedevilled American discourse and politics too, endangering not only our governance, but also the interests of people around the world who are affected by what American leaders say and do.)

At the risk of inviting further charges of bias for attempting balanced analysis, we are concerned that the continued violence across the LoC, the lack of progress in redressing the suffering and the interests of Kashmiri Muslims {This is a dead giveaway of the bias that the two authors claim they are being falsely accused of} and the absence of sustained serious diplomacy between India and Pakistan, leave the two countries one high-casualty terrorist attack away from war.

We are not naïve. It is most likely that Indian and Pakistani leaders will continue with the same policies and tactics, seeking to score points internationally, letting the militaries punish each other around the LoC and using covert or sub-conventional means to destabilise the other side and sow violence where possible. {Equal-equal}

The cheerleading in India surrounding the “surgical strikes” has not given way to more sober analysis of long-term strategy, let alone the kind of statesmanship that could lead both states away from violence. In Pakistan, the smooth transition to new leadership in the army is a welcome sign. But the continued political and civil-military gamesmanship has drowned out the few voices raising alarms about the absence of an alternative national security vision for the country.

Informed Pakistanis and Indians are already aware of what needs to be done to deal with the Kashmir problem and its relationship to terrorism emanating from Pakistan {So, the 'terrorism emanating from Pakistan' is caused by the Kashmir problem, whatever that means, and is justified?} .

All of this suggests a depressing, unstable equilibrium in India-Pakistan affairs. The equilibrium is based on strategic circumstances that do not allow either country to exploit the weaknesses of the other in ways that would bring about some fundamental change. Pakistan’s continued use or tolerance of terrorist proxies, its growing stockpile of nuclear weapons and its campaign to highlight Indian human rights abuses in Kashmir will not force India to negotiate the future of the Kashmir valley. And India’s recent diplomatic efforts to isolate Pakistan as an exporter of terrorism –and threats of military reprisal to future attacks – will be insufficient to compel fundamental change in Pakistan’s behaviour toward India, absent progress in and on Kashmir.

During and after our September visit to Delhi, several Indians with long, high-level governmental experience seemed resigned that this dynamic will not change. As Shivshankar Menon, the cerebral former national security adviser put it, “we may need to adopt the Israeli approach of ‘mowing the grass,’ recognise that you can’t change Pakistan’s behaviour and stop the terrorist grass from growing — you will just need to keep mowing it with reprisals and diplomatic pressure.”

But, as Menon acknowledged, this is not a permanent solution. Nor is it a stable situation. Israelis do not feel particularly secure for all the lawn mowing. They have no prospect of normal relations with the Palestinians living within and adjacent to Israeli territory. And in India’s case, unlike Israel’s, the fields to be mowed may contain nuclear landmines, as well as improvised-explosive devices. Stability, on the other hand, will require serious, analytically sound and politically courageous efforts to address five thorny challenges cooperatively: Kashmir, Pakistan’s control of terrorist groups (or lack thereof) {the authors make every effort to let Pakistani Establishment off the hook}, Afghanistan, the advancement of military technology and divergent perceptions about escalation.

Informed Pakistanis and Indians are already aware of what needs to be done to deal with the Kashmir problem and its relationship to terrorism emanating from Pakistan. It is fashionable in dominant discourse in both countries and elsewhere to deny the linkage between these issues as some false equivalence. Yet, privately, current and former officials in both countries acknowledge the linkages and the necessity of diplomacy.

Stability is unlikely to result from negotiations themselves. Rather, it would derive from both sides demonstrating an understanding of the interests of the other and signalling the willingness to establish conditions for sustained diplomacy to succeed. For instance, Pakistan will need to be prepared to not only discuss terrorism, but also to facilitate intelligence sharing, which demonstrates a commitment to preventing attacks in India. By the same token, the Indian government will have to exhibit – as the Atal Bihari Vajpayee government appeared to do in the early 2000s – an interest in a serious political dialogue in Jammu and Kashmir.

So, too, regarding Afghanistan. The governments of Pakistan, India and Afghanistan know that stabilisation cannot occur without, at a minimum, greater cooperation in demobilising the militants who operate against Afghanistan and Pakistan on both sides of the border. But, perhaps, more important in the long-term is mutual reassurance between Pakistan and India that each country’s reasonable interests in Afghanistan will be respected and accommodated. The primary problem is the absence of political will in all three states to take steps to build each other’s confidence that their cooperation will be rewarded.

After having absorbed terrorism from Pakistan for years with no discernable military reaction, India’s “surgical strikes” seemed to produce a national catharsis.

The Heart of Asia Conference in Amritsar this past December displayed how the three governments are far from being ready to solve problems. Afghan President Ashraf Ghani found it easy to join Modi in blasting Pakistan for its continued complicity with militants (Taliban, Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Mohammed) that project violence into Afghanistan and India. Indeed, both leaders see that Pakistan is so back-footed by its association with terrorism that they feel no compulsion to let it save face. {Huh?}

The Pakistani government’s publication of President-elect Donald Trump’s fawning (and uninformed) telephone conversation with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif further incensed the Indian government which then took revenge at Amritsar by physically preventing the prime minister’s foreign affairs adviser, Sartaj Aziz, from addressing the press. {Imagination is running riot here} Afghanistan may fall into further violent disorder but the greatest concern of the powers that be in Rawalpindi and New Delhi is to keep each other from appearing to gain any advantage.

If the stakes in Afghanistan are well known, there is less awareness of the challenges posed by new military technologies and their potential use by India and Pakistan if violence widens from the LoC in Kashmir. India is on a major military spending spree — procuring advanced air, land and naval weapons platforms. Over time, these new capabilities should enable India’s armed services to better combine forces to project military power with greater precision and lethality.

Some of these capabilities – cruise missiles and other air-to-ground missiles in particular – could permit India to carry out precise airstrikes against targets in Pakistan from rather long distances, avoiding the risk of sending commandos or other forces into hostile territory. Indian strategists may calculate that using such capabilities, especially against terrorist targets, will achieve retaliation aims without provoking escalation. The temptation is obvious.

But the potential consequences of using new kinds of military capability raise hard questions. Indian leaders may order a missile strike, for instance, believing it will have a very tailored impact but the damages or casualties could be far larger than predicted or the army in Pakistan could decide for institutional reasons that a reply was needed to restore deterrence. {How come these authors don't ask the question in reverse about Pakistan sending in terrorists and India replying?}

Or India could utilise such a capability with the intention of having a shocking, even strategic effect (say, a strike against a target in Punjab) but if the strike does not produce the desired response in Pakistan, what then? Would India have to double down with greater force? The point is not to overpredict the possibility of escalation following any given action but to highlight that the combination of new lethal technologies and increased propensity to use them for punitive operations creates greater uncertainty about managing conflict.

To achieve their fundamental long-term interests, there is no plausible alternative for the two countries except direct talks and negotiations.
Here arises the challenge of reading signals amidst divergent perceptions about escalation.


Government officials tend to believe that the signals they send are received and interpreted correctly. Yet, most scholarship on this subject finds precisely the opposite: the recipient of signals interprets them very differently than the sender expects. Pakistani officials and politicians have so regularly “played the nuclear card” that the signalling value of such statements has diminished in India. And India’s hype around its “pro-active strategy” is both discounted as bluster and used to justify the development of tactical nuclear weapons in Pakistan. Deterrence requires communication of a credible willingness to use force but when both sides discount the signals as well as the credibility of threats, there is plenty of room for error.

Finally, there is the question of Pakistan’s capacity to control the groups that conduct attacks on India. India’s apparent lack of worry over the current level of violence and absence of a peace process could be understandable if New Delhi believed that Pakistani leaders firmly control all of the groups that could conduct strikes in India. Indian leaders then could believe that their military power and the increasing international dissatisfaction with Pakistan will compel Pakistani leaders to prevent militants from conducting major attacks on India.

This “optimistic” scenario still leaves open the prospect of unending low-intensity exchanges like those that have been going on near the LoC for months. But, what if the Pakistani establishment cannot effectively prevent future major attacks? Then India must rely on its own defences and, perhaps, luck. Either way, if a new high-casualty terrorist attack occurs in India, especially in the heartland, a Modi government will be pressed to retaliate more dramatically than before. This, in turn, will put enormous pressure on Rawalpindi to escalate in kind. Our analysis in Not War, Not Peace? raises many doubts about whether and how either state could “win” such a war, and no reviewer has challenged this analysis.

Indian and Pakistani leaders may continue to be lucky but, as all gamblers know, luck can depart without warning. Continuing to rely on luck to prevent escalation, rather than seeking to stabilise the existing equilibrium and to pursue actual means and structures to guide relations, is a strategic risk for both states.

To achieve their fundamental long-term interests, there is no plausible alternative for the two countries except direct talks and negotiations. The South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (Saarc) process may provide some thin political cover but the talks will not go anywhere if leaders in India and Pakistan are so unresolved or weak that they feel the need for such cover. Nor can China, any more than the US, compel or cajole either India or Pakistan to make the hard compromises necessary for mutual accommodation.

China wants stability in South Asia. It will quietly press Pakistan to curtail terrorism and is unlikely to participate in military adventurism against India. But Beijing will also not reward Indian bullying by pressing Pakistan to give in on Kashmir. Meanwhile, the American policy under the incoming Trump administration is likely to depart from past conventions but in unpredictable directions. One day the administration may offer to negotiate Kashmir but the next, it could join efforts to isolate Pakistan internationally.

No one will do the hard work for Pakistani and Indian leaders. They must decide if and when their people deserve more than reliance on luck and business-as-usual to avoid a devastating war. When they do decide to seek stability and the prospect of peace, they will probably organise (or reorganise) a secret dialogue between national security advisers and/or emissaries known to represent the centres of power in each country. They will be wise to exchange commitments not to be the first to break off talks if a new crisis erupts. As long as diplomacy stalls, every time there is an attack or insult, the opponents of peace will provoke and prevail.

Again, all of this is rather well known at the top of the two governments and civil societies. Ashraf Jehangir Qazi, the highly experienced former Pakistani diplomat, wrote recently in daily Dawn that “for Pakistan to be simultaneously locked in a zero-sum relationship with two of its most immediate neighbours [India and Afghanistan] is pure folly. Pakistan can never be stable in such a situation.” Qazi continued, “Pakistan must address India’s core concerns and move towards a principled compromise settlement acceptable to the Kashmiris.”

In India, shortly after Modi came to power, an exceptionally experienced former defence official offered a complementary insight. “The bigger state has to be willing to give more,” he told us. “It’s counter-intuitive: if we are bigger, we can force them to give in and do what we want. But, the psychology of it is the opposite. The only way forward with Pakistan is that we have to be seen conceding more than we are getting. The reality is that we would be getting enormously more by normalising relations and ending their story of conflict etc. We would gain greatly overall.” {We need to know who that traitor is}

These voices matter and should be amplified. If they were listened to, some sense of a better future could be created. At the very least, it will spare readers in South Asia more analysis and advice from white guys from Washington.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby LokeshC » 20 Jan 2017 13:44

zoverian wrote:At the very least, it will spare readers in South Asia more analysis and advice from white guys from Washington


Who cares.

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http://eastcoastdaily.in/2017/01/20/ndi ... mmunition/
Date: January 20, 2017
India Has Just Secretly Bought $3 Billion Worth Of Emergency Weapons And Ammunition
In a move with tremendous strategic import, India has been on a secretive weapons shopping spree on an emergency footing, buying up anti-tank missiles, tank engines, rocket launchers and various kinds of ammunition, from Israel and Russia. The purchases amount to more than $3 billion, persons close to the development said, asking not to be named. Deliveries have begun even as new orders are still being placed.
From Russia, India has bought a few thousand anti-tank guided missiles, several T-90 tank engines and critical tank components. The Russia-made T-90 is the Indian Army’s mainstay battle tank. The Russia list also includes multi-barrel rocket launchers that operate with the artillery against advancing columns and soft skinned targets, and large quantity of various kinds of ammunition.From Israel, India is getting sophisticated unmanned aerial vehicles and several thousand missiles, mainly for the Indian Navy.
HuffPost India is withholding the exact nature and quantity of the arms and ammunition because of its sensitive nature. But to give a broad idea, the purchases are to shore up the stocks of the Indian Army and the Indian Navy. They include high explosive bombs, protective armour for troop-carrying vehicles and tanks, and anti-personnel grenade launchers, among other things.
Top sources in the government confirmed that two separate teams of an “empowered committee” led by senior officials were rushed to Russia and Israel towards the close of 2016 to make these “off-the-shelf purchases”—a procedure of buying resorted to only when there is an emergency. Empowered committees can take on-the-spot decisions to buy and negotiate prices, cutting down lengthy negotiation processes. Much of the equipment that India decided to buy is now on its way. They are being airlifted in special flights from various ports in Russia and Israel to India.
Top military sources who spoke on the condition of anonymity cited the situation across the border and the aggressive maneuvering by the Pakistan military after the surgical strikes in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir by the Indian Special Forces as reasons for the emergency purchases. “It is wise to be prepared,” a senior officer said. Others senior officials accepted that stocks of some very critical war fighting items need to be increased. “The emergency purchases are aimed at replenishing and maintaining a minimum level of preparedness for any eventuality,” a senior official at the Ministry of Defence (MoD) said.The MoD did not offer a comment for this article.
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Some thing going on? This was also reported by the APB in Bengali. Is jhapad about to be administered?
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Postby Peregrine » 20 Jan 2017 16:37

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Dus Percenti with "Squeeze Me" pay US$ 10,000 each while Thane Girl Oishika Neogi gets invited to Trump’s Inauguration in the Good Ol’ Whitey House

Thane girl to be a part of Donald Trump’s inauguration

Oishika Neogi, a Thane-resident, will attend the inauguration ceremony of Donald Trump in the US White House on Friday. She bagged the opportunity after winning a debate contest held during a Global Young Leaders Conference which was held in the US in June last year.

A student, Neogi is also a thinker and a short-film maker, who aims to send out a message through her films.

She had won a debate contest held during the Harvard Model United Nations (HMUN) India conference at Hyderabad International Convention Centre in Hyderabad in 2014. This gave Neogi the ticket to participate in the Global Young Leaders Conference in the US, where she again emerged victorious in the debate contest.

"We are glad she has got the opportunity to attend the big event," said Aditya Soma, CEO MunCafe, which organizes the HMUN India conference. Neogi is also coordinating with MunCafe in organizing a leadership event at Symbiosis School of Liberal Arts, Pune, where she is pursuing her bachelor degree in arts. Oishika was born in Kolkata and her family lives in Thane. She has studied in BK Gadia college in Malad.

Interestingly, Neogi had directed a short film, titled "Headlines 2016", in August last year and the film was about who will be the next US President.

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Postby Peregrine » 20 Jan 2017 16:59

A state of denial

We are a country that will turn 70 years old this year. The baggage of classical errors and hideously misplaced policies continue to be a festering wound for us.

We are a country where the political elite’s hunger for self-serving interests and the military’s self-righteous overtures have so conveniently undone the once thought-out narrative. Pakistan could have been a welfare state. But today it’s a national security state which exists in a state of denial.

This entails the denial of constitutionally-protected civilian supremacy, of the fact that the accountability is not to be done by those who themselves are accountable and of the fact that the military is an asset and not an option for the country.

The country is in a state of denial about the existence of human rights, which clearly suggest that people cannot be abducted or killed for their religious or other beliefs. It is in a state of denial towards the fact that, once created, proxies and assets always come back to haunt us. There is also a flagrant denial of the fact that nations collapse if the enemy within is not eliminated.

Since its inception, Pakistan never really managed to become the country which it was meant to be. The weak civilian dispensations prevented Pakistan from coming close to the concept of civilian supremacy. As a result, it never flourished and today it gets walked over at every critical juncture. Be it the case of the ‘Dawn leaks’ or any other issue, the civilians have to bend over backwards to prove that they are relevant and not part of every problem.

Similarly, across-the-board accountability is not tolerated in Pakistan – not even in theory. This is because accountability is considered germane only to politicians and not to others. Ironically, accountability is expected from the military which, at least in theory, is itself accountable for its decisions, spending, successes and failures.

It’s a travesty that the role of the military is greatly exaggerated in Pakistan and tends to foster bizarre ideas. A few desperate minds still think that military rule, a military-backed rule or a military-backed change of regime is still an option for Pakistan. Even after seven decades these kinds of ideas still find ample place to thrive.

The latest disposition of these ideas was reflected in the 2014 dharna and the failed attempt in 2016 to lock down Islamabad. Even after an extensive campaign for human rights and under a much-touted civilian government, people are abducted from the federal capital and some parts of Punjab with complete impunity and perfection. No questions are asked and so no answers are given.

It is equally ominous that we have proudly rented ourselves for someone else’s war in the Afghan Jihad and created monsters. We have bloated our tummies with petrodollars and waited till these friends turn into our foes. ‘Jihad’ has resulted in more destruction within Pakistan. It is unfortunate that even after the colossal loss of over 50,000 civilians, soldiers and officers, we still do not know who the real enemy is.

The duplicity in our approach is being subjected to criticism. After the demise of the divide between good and bad Taliban, we have proudly presented another divide between good and bad sectarian banned outfits. We still stand at square one to see where we have to go. But the dictates of history suggest that our ability and vision to foresee things is blurred. The only lesson we have learnt is that lessons are never learnt.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby milano » 20 Jan 2017 20:49

A review from Ayesha Siddiq,a of Myra MacDonald's book positing that Pak has lost its 1000 year war against India. Ayesha, no doubt wanting to stay on the good side of the generals, gently blames India for being the root cause of guys like Afzal Guru becoming JeM terrorists and that the war is far from over if Pak joins a Russia-China axis. She also references a couple of other books about Pak Deep State that might make for good reading for our esteemed analysts.

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/tft/the-changing-age-of-war/

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Postby anupmisra » 20 Jan 2017 23:47

Pakistani Army holds the defence of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia at par with its own

Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Qamar Javed Bajwa met with the Saudi ambassador to Pakistan Abdullah Marzouk Al-Zahrani at GHQ on Friday. In a statement, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) said that General Qamar Bajwa, during the meeting, reassured the Saudi ambassador that the Pakistani Army holds the defence of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia at par with its own.


A sitting army chief meets the ambassador of a foreign government and makes this major foreign policy commitment. What can go wrong?

http://dailytimes.com.pk/pakistan/20-Ja ... ly-crucial

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby anupmisra » 20 Jan 2017 23:53

Pakistan orders shutdown of rights groups over "anti-state" activities

Authorities in Pakistan's largest province have ordered several women's and human rights groups to shut down, accusing them of unspecified "anti-state" activities, an official of a human rights group said.
accusing some of using their work as a cover for espionage
They are shutting up people by harassment
concern grows over five liberal writers and activists who went missing this month


Espionage and/or blasphemy. Any one of these accusations will do.

http://news.trust.org/item/201701201349 ... hpbreaking

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Postby anupmisra » 20 Jan 2017 23:58

RAW-funded anti-CPEC plan foiled in Gilgit, claim police

Police on Wednesday claimed to have foiled a plan sponsored by the Indian intelligence agency Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) to sabotage projects related to the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) and generate anti-Pakistan feelings in Gilgit-Baltistan
the suspects had planned to attack Ismaili Jamaatkhanas in Ghizer and other parts of GB
The RAW gave Rs300 million to Abdul Hamid who sent the amount to his supporters in the region through some banks
Police had identified 60 people involved in the conspiracy and arrested 12 of them
Police also recovered anti-Pakistan literature


Harami link: http://www.dawn.com/news/1309395/raw-fu ... aim-police

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Postby Falijee » 21 Jan 2017 00:32

"Gambling On Derivaties" - Coming Soon To A Paki Stock Exchange Near You :eek:

After Chinese investment, Pakistan Stock Exchange bets on derivatives
Reuters
Pakistan's soaring stock exchange will introduce derivatives trading from the middle of 2017, the bourse's managing director said, announcing the move weeks after a Chinese-led consortium took a strategic stake.Nadeem Naqvi, managing director of Pakistan Stock Exchange told Reuters the introduction of derivatives, as well as plans for listing of infrastructure bonds, were part of efforts to boost liquidity in the market and lure foreign investors. So the introduction of derivatives ( some people would call it "high stakes gambling" ) is going to be legal in the Islamic Republic Of Pakistan, where "everything", in theory at least is "governed" under Sharia . At to top it all, the Pakistan Stock Exchange is in partnership with the Communist dominated Govt of China :mrgreen:
The PSX saw its benchmark index soar 60 per cent over the past year, making it one of world's top performing indexes. :(( For the millionth time, upswing in stock exchange (wrongly) equated with economic growth!
On Friday, a delegation from the Chinese-led consortium formally signed documents for the takeover of PSX with Pakistan's Finance Minister Ishaq Dar, who said the Chinese bourses could help develop the latest technology and trading systems.
According to Naqvi, foreign institutional portfolio managers hold about a third of all freely tradable shares, while another third is held by domestic institutions, pensions and institutional companies.The remainder is held by Pakistani retail investors. The market capitalisation of the PSX is around $90 billion, although only about a quarter of that is freely tradable. :roll: So 75% is NOT freely tradeable !
Naqvi said the introduction of derivatives should help drive profits.“Derivatives bring in more liquidity in the market and liquidity is good for exchange business because trading activity generates trading fees,” he added.
Are new regulations to be introduced to ensure that retail investors are not taken for a ride
Looking ahead, Naqvi hopes the Chinese bourses will boost Pakistan's tiny corporate debt market, which has struggled to gain traction as Pakistani companies continue to turn to banks for loans. “This is one big area where the Chinese consortium can play a role,” he said, adding that there are also plans to launch Sukuk bonds to cater for the fast growth of Islamic finance in Pakistan.

So, the Pakis are once again "roping" their new Sugar Daddy (Chin-blother) for cash (injection) plus possible bail out , plus the risk taker in the laboratory of Islamic finance ( so-called Sukuk bonds ) ! Will the Chinese owners of this Paki bourse oblige in this gambling venture is anybody's guess :twisted:

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Postby Peregrine » 21 Jan 2017 00:37

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In inaugural speech, Donald Trump talks of 'giving power back to Americans'

NEW DELHI: As an impassive and almost stern Barack Obama looked on, US President Donald Trump in his inaugural speech today reiterated the populist rhetoric that blew middle and marginalised America his way in the November 8 elections.

Even as he pitched himself as the classic outsider hell bent on cleaning up Washington DC, Trump reiterated that "protection will lead to great prosperity and strength" and that strong borders are needed to keep out "Islamic terror". He didn't falter once in his speech and neither did he use the word "bigly", but aside from that his speech was a rehash of all his campaign rhetoric - but the very rhetoric that endeared him to the masses rather than the classes on the East or the West Coast.

Trump got the loudest applause when he said his administration would "eradicate radical Islamic terrorism from the face of this earth." Almost equal applause greeted his comment that America's economy would be renewed by "buying American and hiring American" so that the United States is made "great again." But a surprised silence greeted his nod to brown and black Americans who he said "bleed the same red blood of patriots."

Like he did throughout his campaign, Trump pitched his administration as the "people's administration" and not the "politicians' administration.

"Today's ceremony has very special meaning. It is about transferring power from Washington DC and giving it back to you the people," was one of his opening comments.

That was just the beginning. He had a lot more to say about 'dirty DC'.

"For too long a small group in nation's capital has reaped the rewards of being in power while the people have borne the cost. Washington flourished but people did not share in its wealth. Jobs left, factories closed. The establishment protected itself, not the citizens. Their victories and triumph were not yours. While they celebrated in DC there was little to celebrate for struggling families across the land," said the billionaire President.

But, Trump said, he's going to be the one who changes all that.

"That all changes starting right here and right now, because this moment is your moment, it belongs to you. It belongs to everyone gathered here today. This is your day... January 20, 2017 will be remembered as the day people became the rulers of this nation." Trump said, even as a host of career politicians, including former US Presidents, looked on.

If Americans come first, it also follows that America comes first, and that's what Trump segued to in his speech.

We subsidized the armies of other countries while allowing for the very sad depletion of our military. We've defended other nation's borders while refusing to defend our own; and spent trillions of dollars overseas while America's infrastructure has fallen into disrepair and decay," Trump said.

He referred to rusted and shut factories more than once. He called them "tombstones", again showing exactly what endeared him to the populace that voted him to power.

"We've made other countries rich while the wealth, strength, and confidence of our country has disappeared over the horizon. One by one, the factories shuttered and left our shores, with not even a thought about the millions upon millions of American workers left behind," Trump added

Before he launched into a criticism of career politicians and Washington DC in general, he profusely thanked his predecessor Obama and Obama''s wife Michelle for "being gracious" throughout the transition of power. "They have been magnificent," Trump said, in a rare display of hyperbolic praise for an opponent on the political spectrum.

In a rare poetic flourish, toward the end of his speech, Trump talked of being a President for "Americans from mountain to mountain, Americans from ocean to ocean" building that sentiment up to a crescendo to end with, of course, "together we will make America great again".

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Postby Falijee » 21 Jan 2017 02:25

Punjab Government shuts down many human rights organisations over anti state activities

ISLAMABAD: Authorities in Punjab have ordered several women’s and human rights groups to shut down, accusing them of unspecified “anti-state” activities, an official of a human rights group said.The government has toughened its stance against local and international non-government bodies in recent years, accusing some of using their work as a cover for espionage. In 2015, it ordered Save the Children expelled but reversed the decision.
“They are shutting up people by harassment,” IA Rehman, an official of the independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, told Reuters on Thursday. This coming after protesting Human Rights Activists mysteriously disappeared and no one yet has come forward to claim responsibility !
Police and security officials have ordered about a dozen non-government organisations (NGOs) to halt operations, mostly in Punjab, Rehman added, with groups working on women’s and human rights appearing to be the main targets.
Punjab Home Minister Rana Sanaullah did not respond to written queries about the orders.However, conservative small community of liberal groups is worried about a new crackdown on anyone seen as criticising the government, as concern grows over five liberal writers and activists who went missing this month.The government denies any role in the disappearances.How to muzzle "social media" ; the Deep State still cannot figure out that :mrgreen:
“Yesterday, the police went to one of my colleagues in Bahawalpur and asked him to shut our office over there,” said Mohammad Tehseen, director of South Asia Partnership Pakistan, which focuses on women’s rights.The police gave him a letter, seen by Reuters, issued by the Punjab Home Department alleging that his organisation was “pursuing (an) anti-state agenda”.Tehseen denied the charge, and said the police would not specify any actions to support the accusation.
[quote]Telephone calls to police in the city of Bahawalpur went unanswered on Thursday and Friday.Other organisations have received similar letters, Rehman said.Another NGO, Women in Struggle for Empowerment, was ordered to halt work in Punjab and obtained a copy of another letter from a provincial agency accusing it of activities “detrimental to National/Strategic Security”.A copy of the letter provided to Reuters by the group’s director, Bushra Khaliq, cites an order from the ministry of the interior.Sent copies of the documents, Interior Ministry spokesperson Sarfaraz Ahmed said a statement would be issued later, but it had not arrived by Friday. The Pakjab Govt is probably taking it's order from the Deep State ; the Fed Paki Govt should remove the farcical veil of" Pakistan Democracy " and Rule of Law And Justice and show it's true color as a despotic regime by cracking down on all civil society ; open Army Rule is out of the question for obvious reason :evil: /quote]



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