It is time that India told Cwapistan "Basta" i.e. Enough is Enough, No more Trade, Medical Treatment or Education etc. & etc. for Cwapistan and Cwapistanis in-via India.
Pakis window dressingPeregrine wrote:JuD chief Hafiz Saeed put under house arrest: sources
LAHORE: Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) chief Hafiz Saeed has been put under house arrest in Lahore’s Jamia Masjid Al Qadsia Chowburji, sources in Punjab Home Ministry said.
The most shocking part is when massa falls for it 
What makes you think that Massa fell for it? It is equally window dressing on their part.la.khan wrote:Pakis window dressingPeregrine wrote:JuD chief Hafiz Saeed put under house arrest: sources
LAHORE: Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) chief Hafiz Saeed has been put under house arrest in Lahore’s Jamia Masjid Al Qadsia Chowburji, sources in Punjab Home Ministry said.
ON India’s Republic Day, the Burj Khalifa in Dubai was lit in the saffron, white and green of the Indian flag, the national colours flaming as lights sparkled around them. The musical fountains at the base of the world’s tallest buildings danced to the tunes of Jai Ho and Vande Mataram. Meanwhile, in Delhi, Sheikh Mohammad bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the crown prince of Abu Dhabi, attended the Republic Day parade as chief guest, having spent the past two days signing 14 MoUs with the Indian government in areas spanning energy, defence, maritime and infrastructure development.Many Pakistanis watched on in dismay, confused by the sight of a long-standing ally (from the ummah no less) literally take an arch rival into a warm embrace. But it is a sight they may become accustomed to.Growing UAE-India ties exemplify a broader trend that could accelerate in this era of shifting alliances and economic relationships, spurred on by Donald Trump’s erratic policies. Pakistan’s traditional allies have long been implementing policies aimed at ‘de-hyphenating’ their India-Pakistan relationships; that is, engaging in simultaneous diplomatic, security and economic initiatives with the two countries rather than choosing between them on the basis of religious affinity or historical links.But there are few other indications that Pakistan is willing to adjust to new regional dynamics. It’s most rapidly deepening and expanding relationship is with China, a traditional ally that is willing to pick sides, whether on the matter of Indian membership of the Nuclear Suppliers Group, the blacklisting of Maulana Masood Azhar at the UN Security Council, or Indian bellicosity regarding the Indus Water Treaty. The all-eggs-in-the-China-basket approach that Pakistan is increasingly taking suggests that it may still be expecting similar biases from other partners.More broadly, Pakistan wishes to be seen as an emerging market at a strategic location, with a pro-business culture and a consumer class of up to 70 million. But our allies’ de-hyphenation policies leave little room for this narrative, and are instead dominated by concerns about what they perceive as Pakistan’s role in militancy, despite two years of sustained counterterrorism operations.
Falijee Ji :Falijee wrote:Census On Again !
General Bajwa approves deployment of 200,000 troops for census
In Pakistan, the first four censuses i.e., 1951, 1961, 1972 and 1981, were held on time by the Population Census Organisation, in collaboration with staff from the provincial governments.The fifth census was due in 1991 and the House Listing Operation carried out in 1990 showed abnormal population growth in some parts of the country, which not be justified by normal demographic indicators.Consequently, the government decided to postpone the 1991 census. Another effort was made in 1994, which could not mature due to pressure by from political and ethnic groups.So, IOW, no census has been taken after 1981, so all the govt planning and population estimates were largely based on Lahori logic and Sialkoti statistics . I suspect that the Pakistan wants to bury its hand in the sand and they are ashamed that they are "breeding like rabbits" - a demographic time bomb in the makingIt was decided that the 1998 census would be held with the support of the armed forces, which was broadly accepted by all political parties and appreciated internally.The sixth Population and Housing Census was due in 2008, but could not materialise due to the law and order situation in the country, a paucity of staff and financial constraints
After independence, the first census of Pakistan was conducted in 1951, the second in 1961 while the third census was held in 1972 instead of 1971 due to political environment in the country and war with India. The fourth census was held in March 1981 and fifth one which was due in 1991 could be held in March, 1998 due to specific circumstances.
TABLE-1: AREA & POPULATION OF ADMINISTRATIVE UNITS BY RURAL/URBAN: 1951-1998 CENSUSES :There are two approaches of census enumeration:
(a) De-jure – in which persons are counted at their usual place of residence and
(b) De-fecto– in which persons are counted where they are found on the census data. In 1998 census both the approaches were applied simultaneously during enumeration, but the data was tabulated and published on de-jure basis for comparability of data over time.
There was an attempt at a census in 2011, the preliminary results were leaked, and then the census was buried.Peregrine wrote:
Herein if you take the Population Proportionate Increase between between 1961 and 1998 (37 Years) and use the Figure for the Increase from 1981 to 2017 (36 Years) then the Pakistani Population in 2017 is close to 240 Million - Alarming indeed.
Thus your statement They are "breeding like rabbits" - a demographic time bomb in the making seems to "Right on the Button!"
Peregrine wrote:Herein if you take the Population Proportionate Increase between between 1961 and 1998 (37 Years) and use the Figure for the Increase from 1981 to 2017 (36 Years) then the Pakistani Population in 2017 is close to 240 Million - Alarming indeed.
Thus your statement They are "breeding like rabbits" - a demographic time bomb in the making seems to be "Right on the Button!"
A_Gupta Ji :A_Gupta wrote:There was an attempt at a census in 2011, the preliminary results were leaked, and then the census was buried.
Info is here:
http://observingliberalpakistan.blogspo ... ation.html
(Pakistan's population = 192+ million was supposedly the preliminary count from the 2011 census.)
LAHORE: Balochistan witnessed the highest and the Punjab the lowest increase in population from 1998 to 2011, with the country's overall population shooting up to an alarming 46.9 percent.
Households witnessed an increase of 50.4 percent during the period, according to preliminary results of housing listing 2011.
As compared to the population of 130,857,717 in 1998, the overall population was recorded at 192,288,944 in 2011 all over Pakistan, excluding three districts of Balochistan (Khuzdar, Kech and Panjgur) Agency of Fata (South Waziristan) as well as Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJ&K) and Gilgit-Baltistan.
I am sure that on the inclusion of the three districts of Balochistan (Khuzdar, Kech and Panjgur) Agency of Fata (South Waziristan) the figure would be higher than 197,361,691!However, with the inclusion of population of Azad Jammu and Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan, the population of the country would reach 197,361,691 in 2011 against 134,714,017 in 1998, showing an increase of 46.5 percent.
DW: While Saudi nationals were involved in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, the recent killings on US soil - the Orlando and San Bernardino shootings - were perpetrated by people of Afghan and Pakistani origin. Why did President Trump exempt these countries from the executive order?
Arif Jamal: It is too early and very difficult to evaluate President Trump's strategy. Although the US media is claiming that Trump spared these countries because he has business ties with them, this may only be true for Saudi Arabia. He has no investments in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
I believe he didn't put Afghanistan on the list because it would have created a lot of problems for US troops and other Americans working in the war-torn country. It is obvious that the Afghan government would have stopped cooperating with Washington if he had made such a move. Pakistan's case is different, and I think Trump is in the process of formulating a comprehensive policy for the Islamic country.
But one thing is pretty clear. The US cannot win the war against Islamism as long as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are its allies.
Why is Trump reluctant to be tough on Pakistan and Saudi Arabia? What makes the US relations with Islamabad and Riyadh special?
I think President Trump will be tougher on Pakistan in the coming weeks and months. However, the same cannot be said about Saudi Arabia. But I would reiterate that Washington cannot defeat radical Islam and jihadist groups if it refuses to take strong actions against Saudi Arabia.
Will Pakistan and Saudi Arabia be now emboldened in their alleged support for radical Islamists knowing that Trump has excluded them from a direct ban?
Neither Pakistan nor Saudi Arabia see an ally in Trump. In fact, no Muslim-majority country is friendly towards him. This is the reason why Muslims from all over the world are taking part in anti-Trump demonstrations. These are the same Muslims who hardly take to the streets to protest against Islamists or their own governments.
If taken out, he will be replaced by any cockroach from the unwashed aam. Alive, India can use him to embarrass and isolate Pakland at every international forum.nam wrote:If we dont take out this Hafiz joker soon, in year or two he will join in the elections. Wont be surprised if he is made a minister in Paki gov.
Would be great for us if that happens. In fact the best scenario if he wins elections and becomes the PM. Will kill several birds with one stone for us.nam wrote:If we dont take out this Hafiz joker soon, in year or two he will join in the elections. Wont be surprised if he is made a minister in Paki gov.
Now imagine having to host him at some SAARC conference in the future or meet up at the bylines of some equally unimportant gathering overseas..Bart S wrote:Would be great for us if that happens. In fact the best scenario if he wins elections and becomes the PM. Will kill several birds with one stone for us.
In short, we have hosted Pakistanis in the past . . .Kashi wrote:But then we have hosted Musharraf, Zia and others in the past..
If it happens it will force the hand of our politicians to just drop the charade and treat it as the pariah state that it is. And hopefully the same by other nations too, and will invite scrutiny of every aspect of their state including WMDs etc. Right now it is the RAPE class that provide a thin veneer of normalcy and sophistication over the rabid jihadi military state that makes Pakistan such a pain to deal with. Sooner the jihadis consume the RAPE class and the veneer is gone, the better.Kashi wrote:Now imagine having to host him at some SAARC conference in the future or meet up at the bylines of some equally unimportant gathering overseas..Bart S wrote:Would be great for us if that happens. In fact the best scenario if he wins elections and becomes the PM. Will kill several birds with one stone for us.
But then we have hosted Musharraf, Zia and others in the past..
That's true too! Massa pretends to get concerned about LeT piglets and pakis round up a few for some weeks. After the heat dies down, it is back to daily programming. This charade was going on for the last 30-35 yearsBart S wrote:What makes you think that Massa fell for it? It is equally window dressing on their part.la.khan wrote: Pakis window dressing
T*rds like MSA may have a hard time advocating for Hafiz Sayeed but then he and his ilk will blame Nai Dilli for a tough hardline approach, not making love to Paki moderates, give concessions to civilians etcBart S wrote:Even a delusional idiot like MSA would have a hard time with advocating for him, but then again he and his ilk are totally shameless.
. Scum like MSA are pretty much gone forever, irretrievably lost.My bet is on chini pressure on the pakis to put HS under house arrest. Temporarily, until the heat dies down.SSridhar wrote:This 'placed under detention', 'placed under watch' are all humbug. As usual, Pakistan is playing games.
Some myths die hard. One relates to the circumstances in which Pakistan was carved out of undivided India in 1947. Some have blamed Mohammad Ali Jinnah’s power play with Mahatma Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru for the creation of this theocratic state. Others have blamed Hindu chauvinists for frightening the Muslim minorities in northern India, pushing them to support the Muslim League’s politics of separatism. Yet others have pinned blame on the Congress’ “perfidy” in excluding the League from power after it won a majority on its own in the 1937 provincial elections in United Provinces (UP). Since the Congress and the League were in tacit arrangement to defeat the landlords’ party, the National Agriculturist Party (NAP), the Congress’s decision to rule on its own was the spark that enabled the League to talk about betrayal by Hindus.
Another myth was the one about Jinnah’s secular credentials. Not only did he abandon his outward Englishman’s dress and adopt the Sherwani, but – in the late 1930s, when Pakistan was far from a likelihood – he was talking about Pakistan being the centre of global Islamic revival. When the Pakistan flag was first unveiled in Mumbai in 1938, he talked of it as the flag for Muslims to rally under, as it was “given to us by our Prophet”. On another occasion, after a visit to Mohammad Iqbal’s grave in 1942, Jinnah is said to have remarked that “Pakistan holds the key to the liberation of the entire Islamic world.” These are not words of a secular politician. If Jinnah was secular, he had left those ideas far behind in the mid-30s. His claims to holding the secular flag ended when he adopted the Islamic standard, and too much has been read into his speech to the Pakistan constituent assembly in August 1947, where he said that in due course “Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the state.”
It was essentially restated in Pakistani historian Ayesha Jalal’s own book on Jinnah (The Sole Spokesman: Jinnah, the Muslim League, and the Demand for Pakistan). Jalal claimed that Jinnah did not want a separate Pakistan, but merely used it as a bargaining chip to obtain parity for Muslims with Hindus in India. This line has been bought hook, line and sinker by India’s Left-Liberals, who like to use this as a stick to beat down the BJP-Sangh view that Jinnah was “communal”.
You only need to read Venkat Dhulipala’s monumental work, Creating a New Medina (Cambridge University Press, paperback, 530 pp) to resolve the issue.
We will probably live the Partition debates again in secular India. Dhulipala’s book is a must-read for anyone who wants an insight into what drove – and still drives – Muslim politics in India.Ambedkar’s advice to Hindus before 1947 was to “let them go.” One wonders what he would suggest today, when the Muslim question remains largely unresolved even in truncated India and non-Muslim minorities have been systematically cleansed from both Pakistan and Bangladesh.
I recall Carlotta Gall's (?) piece in NYT after his previous house arrest which was an utter sham.Following the preventive detention of 26/11 Mumbai attacks mastermind Hafiz Saeed by Pakistan on Monday night, India today asserted that such actions have been carried out in the past and only a credible crackdown on the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) chief will be proof of "Pakistan’s sincerity".
India’s Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) spokesperson Vikas Swarup today tweeted, "Exercises such as yesterday’s orders against Hafiz Saeed and others have been carried out by Pakistan in the past also. Only a credible crackdown on the mastermind of the Mumbai terrorist attack and terrorist organisations involved in cross border terrorism would be proof of Pakistan’s sincerity."
Swarup confirmed in his tweet that India has seen reports of the Pakistan Ministry of Interior placing the Jamaat-ud-Dawa, headed by Saeed, and the Falah-e-Insaniyet Foundation under the watchlist. Swarup also said the Falah-e-Insaniyet Foundation has been included in the second schedule of their anti-terror legislation under the United Nations Security Council Resolution No. 1267.
"We have also noted that Hafiz Saeed and four others have been placed under preventive detention," said Swarup.
Saeed who has a $10 million US bounty on his head was taken away by the police from a mosque in Lahore late on Monday. He was taken to his residence, where they appear to be holding him.
Perhaps that's why the pre-emptive strike by Vikas Swarup that only a "credible" crackdown will be proof of sincerity. No servings of "We welcome..."SSridhar wrote:So, now, the pressure will be built up on India (now that the customary noises have been made about Hafiz Saeed & money laundering by Falah and Pakistan has 'detained' Professor saheb) to resume 'peace dialogue'. Curiously, there is no mention of Masood Azhar, Mumbai et al.
Falijee wrote:Jinnah's Secular Credentials Were Bogus According To This New Book .
Jinnah, Ambedkar And The Made-In-India Idea Of A Theocratic Pakistan
CheersCAIRO: Supporters of Islamic State mocked US President Donald Trump's decision to deny entry to citizens of seven Muslim- majority countries, saying it would fail to stop attacks in the United States and help win new militant recruits instead.
The Muslim ban enacted by President Trump is going to launch a thousand narratives of victimhood, of seething rage, and of hatred. This is the power of the politics of exploitation.
This isn’t about race or religion or national origin. This is about exploitation of vulnerable people by dominant classes. It turns out that poorly informed white people in Western nations that have been estranged by globalisation are just as gullible in their politics as poorly informed brown people in Muslim-majority nations. There are many differences, but the similarities are breathtaking. Both end up being cannibalistic, both produce narcissistic regimes, and both tend toward corruption. Moreover, there is interdependence, synchronicity and even symbiosis.
Let’s take a closer look at our country. We all want America to stand by its first amendment, to protect the rights of our sisters in Islam, to wear the hijab, to be able to pray safely. As we should.Remember what we did to a small group of fellow citizens. We don’t even call them by the name they want to be called by. We call them Qadianis or Mirzais. We sneer contemptuously at them. We enact an amendment to our constitution to banish them. We drive them from their homes. And disown the first Pakistani- born Nobel Prize winner , who happened to be from that "category"
Remember Kot Radha Krishan, Gojra, and Badami Bagh? Remember Aasia Bibi, Salmaan Taseer, Rashid Rehman, and Shabaz Bhatti? There’s always something that makes it all less vile. Kot Radha Krishan was local politics. Gojra was a misunderstanding. Badami Bagh was a land dispute. Of course. Aasia, Salman, Rashid and Shahbaz all blasphemers. All is well in the republic? The guardians of "Islamic Ideology" in Pakiland do not want to "tarnish" their "green image" by behaving decently with people who do not follow Malsi !
Remember that time that Afghan refugees, to whom we opened our hearts and homes for over thirty five years, were kicked out unceremoniously because the uncles at the corps commanders meetings got mad at Ashraf Ghani for calling Narendra Modi “daddy”? Oops. So "revenge" against Ghani ( for being "friendly" with Modi-ji ) was manifested by deporting the "famous refugee woman" to Afghanistan
Our history is glorious, our current affairs are glorious, and our future is glorious! Throw in a fake news item about Davos here, and a fake doctor’s religious edicts there. Then add some hyperventilating suit-clad idiots validating it all. And wait for the equally vapid responses: “Look! 90 acres!” ( assuming that he is referring here to the "Bad Sharif "
Challenges to the dominant class or its narrative? Blasphemy. Millions upon millions of Pakistanis, seduced by this cancerous fiction. It doesn’t seem to occur to the constitutional experts and strategic geniuses nursing these cancers that this seduction is what allowed Al-Qaeda and the Taliban the space in our discourse to be defended and justified for over a decade in the first place. That this seduction is what allows newer, more dangerous, more decentralised strains of radical thoughts and ideas to infect young and old brains across language, across sect and across ethnicity.
The new cancer may not respond to chemo, or radio, or even surgery. It respects neither hierarchy nor authority. It does not need green lights or signals from authorities above it. It is self-contained and autonomous, and attacks and metastasizes at will. The Quebec City attack alone will generate thousands of megawatts of energy to the cancer. We know this because we know Safoora Goth and Sabeen Mahmud. We know that these pivotal moments in our generation-long struggle to save this republic from eating itself are proof that our struggle is far from over. But who is our fight against? But many Pakistanis must have heard that there is a "new cancer specialist" in DC, who has promised that he has a sure-fire cure for cancer !
The fight is against those fictions, and the bubbles that we curate for ourselves, and in which those fictions find a home. Americans did it to themselves, this Trump business, but they seem to have institutions that might be robust enough to challenge the tsunami of dangerous decisions upon them. Having watched Afghan refugees being banished back to Afghanistan, having watched Gojra burn, having watched memorial vigils for Salmaan Taseer with less than a dozen people, and having watched bloggers go missing, we need to ask ourselves about our society’s own resilience and our state’s capability to resist the fictions it weaves itself. The exploitation of vulnerable people by the dominant classes is not just on paddy fields, or cotton mills, or call centres. It is happening in our TV rooms, and on our smartphones. And at the same time, the "Deep State" is stifling social media activists by making them disappear and later on releasing them on the promise of "good behaviour" on their part to protect the "Ideological Frontiers" of Pakiland
Police sources further informed that Saeed will be shifted to his residence in the Johar Town area of the provincial capital, which will then be declared as a sub-jail. what a joke !
The provincial authorities have also started to remove the banners of JuD from the roads of Lahore. Which will be temporarily "stored" in govt godowns at state expense !
The Sooth Asian "expert" speaketh !Awan said the Pakistani government had been under pressure from the United States to take action against Saeed or face sanctions. “This government has buckled under the pressure.” All efforts must be made to "protect" this prized asset of the "Deep State" 10 Million bounty or no 10 Million bounty
.Confirms earlier suspicion that "Deep State" is the culprit . But were later released on promises of future "good behaviour" and tempting offers of "banishment abroad" ; the "missing" one is still being "worked upon" by "organs" of the Deep StateSLAMABAD: Two Pakistani bloggers who vanished earlier this month have left the country fearing for their safety, relatives told AFP on Monday.
They were among five men who went missing from various cities in Pakistan. Four of the five who had stood against religious intolerance and criticised various state institutions have been freed, their families said.They would not comment on where the men had been held.Their disappearances triggered nationwide protests and raised concerns of government involvement -- claims denied by officials.Allegations on social media networks Facebook and Twitter and by right-wing TV hosts that the missing men were blasphemers has triggered a flood of threats despite denials from their worried families.
Liaqat Ali Goraya, the father of blogger Waqas Goraya, confirmed to AFP that his son was safe and had left the country. But his nephew Abdur Rahman Cheema, whose disappearance at the same time as his son was not reported to the media, was still missing.
"Waqas has gone, we've sent him abroad," said his father, declining to comment on who had held him. Before he went missing, Goraya was based in The Netherlands and had returned to Pakistan for a family wedding.A source close to the family of blogger Asim Saeed confirmed he too had left the country.A relative of a third blogger, who asked to remain anonymous, said both he and his family had left their home town and were in hiding. Pakistan is poised to become a member of the "Chini-internet system" with its tight controls and other censorship methods to starve social activists and "free thinkers" ( internet cable from Khunjarab pass to Karachi being built ; once it is complete under the auspices of the so-called CPEC , a veil of censorship will fall in this so-called Islamic country !)
"We are going to think about it for a few days and assess the situation. If it seems ok, we'll return, else we'll try to go abroad," the relative said.Zeeshan Haider said his brother, poet and activist Salman Haider, was "fine and safe".The whereabouts of the fifth man remain unknown. ( Deep State ) "Abroad" Offer too good to refuse !
Gautamhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 885620.cms
Bilawal Bhutto Zardari warns US against including Pakistan in travel ban
PTI | Updated: Jan 31, 2017, 10.38 AM IST
WASHINGTON: Pakistan Peoples Party chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has warned the Trump administration against including his country in the list of travel ban nations, saying such a move will create a "host of hostilities" between the two countries.
Bilawal's remarks came as the White House is seeking to expand the list of seven Muslim-majority countries whose citizens have been barred from entering the US.
"As far as the ban is concerned, I believe it only has detrimental effects on the countries it has included and if that is extended to Pakistan it will create a whole host of hostilities," Bilawal told a Washington audience on Monday.
He was responding to a question on whether Pakistan can be included in a list of seven nations as per an executive order signed by US President Donald Trump last week.
Bilawal said including Pakistan in such a list "would also be a very negative indicator that the United States is turning away from those very ideals that it stood for", adding that, "I hope that this is not the new normal."
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Pakistan’s actions against Jamaat-ud-Dawa and Falah-i-Insaniyat is believed to have been prompted by an impending report by the Asia-Pacific Group (APG) on Money Laundering on these outfits.
The report apparently contains several “adverse remarks” against Pakistan.
The problem for Pakistan is that this report will be submitted to the International Cooperation Review Group (ICRG) of the inter-state Financial Action Task Force (FATF).
Besides being a major loss of face, such a referral means the country’s own evaluation report is considered suspect or has “significant deficiencies” as FATF itself puts it. North Korea and Iran have had such referrals because of the lack of trust in their regimes. The ICRG can make its judgment and issue public statements against country, which can start with a warning to taking specific countermeasures against the country if it doesn’t show compliance.