Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby habal » 25 Nov 2016 07:09

Ishfaq Nadeem is the crore commander who restrained any action/intervention by army on eve of Imran's container dharna of 2014.

qamar javed bajwa is a pakjabi and considered close chummy terms with shahbaz and nawaz sharif but alas ..

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Guddu » 25 Nov 2016 07:21

what's the difference.. Is qadiani and shia same..

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Bheeshma » 25 Nov 2016 07:27

As far as India is concerned a paki is a paki irrespective of shia, sunni , sufi or ahammadiya. Make sure IA strikes hard and shows which ever piglet becomes COAS the aukat of PA.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Kashi » 25 Nov 2016 07:36

Qadianis or Ahmadis are declared non-Muslim by the aayin (constitution) of Pakistan. As "non-muslims" they are not eligible for the topmost constitutional posts. In fact they can be penalised by the law for "pretending to be muslims".

If the two jarnail are indeed Ahmadis and given the tendency of Baki ISPR to release propaganda pics with all senior officers praying to the almighty with their arms raised, there must be a few floating around with these two in similar poses. Some enterprising Baki abdul can easily call them out for blasphemy!!

But I wonder if the reports of the two jarnail being Qadiani/Ahmadi are actually true. If yes, then it's surprising that they have risen so far in TSPA under the present circumstances when TSPA is getting increasingly islamicised, even though TSPA has had Qadiani/Ahmadi officers in senior ranks before the Go-green movement gained significant traction.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby yensoy » 25 Nov 2016 08:02

habal wrote:http://listofqadianis.blogspot.in/2015/02/list-of-qadianis.html?m=1


I think that list is a fake. Too many forefront people on it, no way ISI/mullahs would have accepted such people in positions of power. Karamat an Ahmadi? Sorry that makes no sense. (and if indeed he is an Ahmadi, then that fact is no difference to us - if it walks like a paki and talks like a paki it is a paki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_test)

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby shiv » 25 Nov 2016 10:07

Stephen Cohen called the Pakistan army a "secular" organization because they did not bother about Qadiani/shia etc and recruited from a broad base and allowed all sections of Paki society to rise in the army. Christine Fair, for all her criticism of the Pak army had a special PPT that showed how the Paki army's recruitment from all over without special favour might augur well for Pakistan;s future.

However both of them missed the bus in predicting the extent to which Sunni Islamic groups would infiltrate the army. Picking out shias in the army is a new phenomenon - which was not prominent pre-911. But suni Islamicization of the Paki army dates back to Zia and Bhutto - post 1973. However Qadianis are different. I think many Qadianis pretended to be sunnis but remained in the army Under daddy Bhutto Qadianis were harassed in response to assassination plot against Bhutto allegedly by Qadianis.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby habal » 25 Nov 2016 11:18

shiv, that list is from people whose families had qadiani members who were practising qadianis. But I do not think that they themselves are necessarily practicing qadianis but just have a background in some part of their family ancestory. But that is enough in Pakistan to set tongues wagging and cast a sinister cloud over careers.

qadiani in pakistan is wajib-ul-qatal by a pious momin who is ashiq-e-rasool.

As far as that list is concerned, that list is for general reference but not specific reference in this instance.

Specific reference is here.



'Senator' Sajid Mir, who is senator from PML(N) [no less] and is elected from reserved quota in senate for 'ulema'/clergy.

is making this video threatening the govt/army that in Papistan, the army chief should necessarily be a muslim who believes in 'khatm-e-nabuwwat'. (finality of prophethood viz Muhammad is final prophet), this he said in context that he believed that atleast 1 of the four contenders for army chief did not believe in finality of 'khatm-e-nabuwwat' and is issuing a warning to govt/army from undertaking any such adventurism. He retracted the statement yesterday, but damage is done.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby g.sarkar » 25 Nov 2016 12:44

http://www.rediff.com/news/column/expec ... 161125.htm
A permanent state of war with Pakistan is to be expected
November 25, 2016 08:33 IST
'If Pakistan were to launch surgical strikes, India would not be able to forget it for generations to come,' Pakistan army chief General Raheeel Sharif warned on November 24, days before he retires from office.
'India has to understand that the permanent state of war that exists between India and Pakistan has to be expected,,' says Colonel Anil A Athale (retd).
'The only way to ensure peace or absence of war is to maintain a militarily-dominant position over Pakistan.'
The Uri attack and in its aftermath cross border operations on September 29, 2016 by the Indian Army have occupied media space for quite some time. The sheer number of uniformed and ignorant comments by the usual suspects has been overwhelming. But, of course, what takes the cake are some comments from across the border. As a knee-jerk reaction, some Pakistanis dubbed the Uri attack as a 'false flag' operation, meaning it was India itself that got 19 of its soldiers killed to 'defame Pakistan' on the eve of the United Nations session! That this kind of comment was made even by a retired Pakistani air marshal is a 'real' cause of concern. This is nothing new. Much earlier, the attack on Parliament in 2001, the massacre of families of soldiers at Kaluchak in 2002 and the 26/11 Mumbai attack were all claimed to be done by Indians themselves, for what else, to 'Defame Pakistan'. To claim that Indian intelligence agencies were responsible for these attacks ignores the reality that in border areas like Jammu and Kashmir, the intelligence agencies are heavily dependent on the army for administrative support. In fact, most of their operatives even live within army garrisons. This is like accusing someone of painting coal with black paint! Pakistan has been acknowledged the world over as the epicentre of terrorism and already stands defamed. Frequent Pakistani assertions that it was India itself that carried out these operations is worrisome as that raises serious doubts about the mental health of a large number of Pakistanis.
Pakistan and its media are well known for promoting falsehood.
During the 1965 War, the Pakistanis claimed that fighting was going on in New Delhi's Lodhi Road area. In 1971, right till December 15, Pakistan boasted of great victories over India. When the Indian Air Force and Indian Navy attacked and razed oil refineries in Karachi, Pakistani television showed those visuals to claim that they were of Mumbai! In the 1980s, General Zia-ul Haq kept the loss of the Siachin Glacier hidden from the Pakistani public. At Kargil in 1999, to maintain the fiction that the attack involved 'Kashmiri freedom fighters', Pakistan refused to accept the bodies of its Northern Light Infantry soldiers.
Pakistan's denial that India carried out 'surgical strikes' inside Pakistan was to be expected as admitting the truth would raise a question mark over the image of invincibility built by the Pakistan army.
Does it mean that the cross-border raids were futile? I think the they had a limited objective of pushing back the terrorist bases further inland. No sane person thought that this would bring about a change in Pakistani behaviour. All those interested in peace must understand that Pakistan is NOT a normal State. It is a 'warrior State' on the lines of Greek Sparta or the ancient Assyrians of present day Iraq. A Pakistani child is brainwashed in school right from his childhood that the highest duty is to fight. Martyrdom is the goal and Pakistan is surrounded by enemies like Hindu India, Jews and Christians. The Pakistani army and its attitude merely reflects this basic trait. The Kashmir dispute is thus a symptom and not the cause. Some years ago in a candid moment, General Pervez Musharraf, the then ruler of Pakistan, had confessed that even if the Kashmir issue is resolved, there would be no peace between India and Pakistan.
When the Americans carried out a raid to kill Osama bin Laden in May 2011, the Pakistan army suffered a popular backlash. It was thus natural for the Pakistan army to hide the truth from its people. Some Indians opposed to Prime Minister Narendra Modi were worried that the surgical strikes were giving his government further legitimacy and therefore joined the Pakistani chorus and questioned the veracity of the operations.
Some claimed that this was nothing new and even earlier cross-border raids had been carried out. The truth is that this was the first time multiple operations were carried out to specifically target terror launch pads. The operations had a clear strategic aim -- of driving a wedge between the Lashkar-e-Tayiba and the Pakistan army. The earlier cross-border raids were mostly local affairs with the limited aim of extracting revenge for border violations. The strikes were called 'surgical' or 'precision' strikes because they only targeted the terrorists and left the Pakistan army as well civilians alone and avoided any collateral damage. It has been nearly two months since that incident and the tension on the border has increased manifold. For the first time since 2001, heavy artillery is being used and cross-border firing has become routine.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Kashi » 25 Nov 2016 13:34

TSPA rolls out the ceremonial De(a)f. Min. to downplay LoC casualties
https://twitter.com/SAMAATV/status/8020 ... wsrc%5Etfw

SAMAA TV@SAMAATV
Pakistan's Defence Minister @KhawajaMAsif comments on the deaths of over 70 civilians & soldiers from firing by the India Army along the LoC

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby SSridhar » 25 Nov 2016 15:05

US ambassador discusses war on terror with COAS - DT

I doubt if that was the case. Anyway, the following caught my eye.

On a query regarding his retirement, he said, “I took this decision in favour of the country."


What other decision could he have 'taken'? Is there even an option other than to retire in any other country? Everybody retires when she/he reaches that age. Raheel is describing a routine retirement as a 'favour' and implies a 'sacrifice' he made. Pakistan, dear Pakistan, only you can give us all this tamasha.

Every COAS is praised as 'soldier's soldier' etc during his reign in Pakistan and they get to hear the true story later. Kayani was similarly praised too. Some in the Indian media called Raheel as an 'India-baiter', but then which Pakistani isn't?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby partha » 25 Nov 2016 15:17

SSji,

Another strange statement Raheel Shariff has made yesterday in one of his farewell tour stops - "I hope relationship between army and the nation continues even after I retire".

wut?

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Vikas » 25 Nov 2016 15:33

Raheel will soon join some political party, preferably one of the branches of Muslim League and fight elections in 2017.
Unfortunately no lecture tours or celebrity status for him outside Bakistan like Mushy was accorded during his rule.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby James » 25 Nov 2016 15:46

partha wrote:SSji,

Another strange statement Raheel Shariff has made yesterday in one of his farewell tour stops - "I hope relationship between army and the nation continues even after I retire".

wut?


^^ Army as looter and nation as lootee.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Bart S » 25 Nov 2016 16:04

partha wrote:SSji,

Another strange statement Raheel Shariff has made yesterday in one of his farewell tour stops - "I hope relationship between army and the nation continues even after I retire".

wut?


Makes perfect sense onlee.

The army is like the parasite feeding off it's host. Not for nothing is Pakistan called an army with a state.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby habal » 25 Nov 2016 16:06

Mushy's lecture tour is like Hillary's Goldman Sachs speeches and mamata di's paintings.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby SSridhar » 25 Nov 2016 16:48

Henry Kissinger's stunning revelations about Pakistan in the lead up to the 1971 Indo-Pak war - Shailaja Neelakantan, ToI
Under US pressure, Pakistan had in November agreed to grant independence to what was then East Pakistan, former US diplomat Henry Kissinger has revealed in an interview in the latest issue of The Atlantic magazine.

Instead, Pakistan attacked India a month later, on December 3, 1971, forcing India to retaliate and eventually joined forces with East Pakistan in what would become the Bangladesh Liberation War.


Kissinger's revelation only confirms that Pakistan appears to have a long history of breaking promises.

If Islamabad genuinely wanted to give East Pakistan autonomy, its air force wouldn't have attacked the Indian Air Force's forward airbases and radar installations under 'Operation Chengiz Khan.' That attack led to India's entry into the war of independence in East Pakistan on the moral side of Bangladeshi nationalist forces.

Kissinger, who in 1971 was US National Security Adviser, said that the US couldn't directly condemn Pakistan's "gross human-rights violations" in East Pakistan as it was using Islamabad as an interlocutor to open diplomatic relations with China.

This in itself is a confirmation that the US has often, and still, induges in doublespeak
- one the one hand it talks of democracy and on the other, it consorts with a Pakistan that was then committing "gross human-rights violations". Not to mention, it was trying to cozy up to China, too, which especially at the time had a less-than-stellar human rights record.

"To condemn these violations publicly would have destroyed the Pakistani channel, which would be needed for months to complete the opening to China ... After the opening to China via Pakistan, America engaged in increasingly urging Pakistan to grant autonomy to Bangladesh. In November, the Pakistani president agreed with (then US President) Nixon to grant independence the following March," Nixon said in the interview to the US magazine.

To be sure, both Pakistan and China still aren't exactly exemplars of democracy and flourishing human rights.

By Kissinger's own admission, it was a fraught moment in history for US foreign policy.

"The U.S. had to navigate between Soviet pressures; Indian objectives; Chinese suspicions; and Pakistani nationalism. Adjustments had to be made-and would require a book to cover-but the results require no apology. By March 1972-within less than a year of the commencement of the crisis-Bangladesh was independent; the India-Pakistan War ended; and the opening to China completed at a summit in Beijing in February 1972," he said.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby anupmisra » 25 Nov 2016 17:36

SSridhar wrote:Henry Kissinger's stunning revelations about Pakistan in the lead up to the 1971 Indo-Pak war - Shailaja Neelakantan, ToI
To be sure, both Pakistan and China still aren't exactly exemplars of democracy and flourishing human rights.


Good ol' Hank. Still creating doubts. He wasn't one (an exemplar of democracy and human rights) either. At his ripe old age (93, I believe), he should start all his pronouncements with "if memory serves me right".

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby anupmisra » 25 Nov 2016 17:37

Bart S wrote:
partha wrote:SSji,

Another strange statement Raheel Shariff has made yesterday in one of his farewell tour stops - "I hope relationship between army and the nation continues even after I retire".

wut?


Makes perfect sense onlee. The army is like the parasite feeding off it's host. Not for nothing is Pakistan called an army with a state.


Sounds more like a threat and less of a hope to me. Raw@heel is hedging his bets.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby sudhan » 25 Nov 2016 17:45

Now lets wait for the ISPR to spin more of their propergandu based on Rawheels's sacrifice..

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Falijee » 25 Nov 2016 18:06

Some observations:
- Just wondering; in spite of all this "Malsi pasandi pious giri", exhibited by all COAS how come , no "bearded" have emerged as Paki Army Chief !
- All other things being equal ( education, training, experience, right pedigree/ biradari, etc etc ), would a "bearded" one be preferred over a clean-shaven Pakjabi
- Is Saudi "consent" necessary for the "Selected Man"; after all, they are the "Custodians Of The Two Holy Mosques" .( And importantly, Pak Fauj is employed as a "mercenary force" in Saudia ). Not to mention the "promised" Islami Atomi Bomb, in case of danger to S.A. :mrgreen:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Falijee » 25 Nov 2016 18:16

"Water - Tightening Screw" Coming Soon :D
River waters to be stopped from going waste in Pakistan: Narendra Modi
PM Narendra Modi says a task force has been constituted to ensure that “each drop of water” that flows out of Sutlej, Beas and Ravi reaches Punjab and Jammu and Kashmir
Bathinda: Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Friday said the waters of Sutlej, Beas and Ravi rivers that rightfully belong to India will be stopped from going waste in Pakistan and he will ensure that farmers here utilise it.“Indus Water Treaty—Sutlej, Beas, Ravi—the waters in these rivers belong to India and our farmers. It is not being used in the fields of Pakistan but flowing into the sea through Pakistan.“Now every drop of this water will be stopped and I will give that to farmers of Punjab and Jammu and Kashmir and Indian farmers.I am committed to this,” he said addressing a rally in Bhatinda.He said a task force has been constituted to ensure that “each drop of water” that flows out of Sutlej, Beas and Ravi reaches Punjab and Jammu and Kashmir.
(Now wait for Paki reaction !)
“There is no reason that we cannot use our rights (over our waters) and let our farmers suffer,” he said, adding, “I need your blessings in order to fulfill your requirements for watering your fields.”

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby SSridhar » 25 Nov 2016 18:51

Falijee wrote:Some observations:
- Just wondering; in spite of all this "Malsi pasandi pious giri", exhibited by all COAS how come , no "bearded" have emerged as Paki Army Chief !

Maj. Gen. Zhairul Islam Abbasi could have become one of those unkempt bearded Chiefs had his coup attempt succeeded. Alas, that was not to be. As I have always strongly felt, Allah has been very unkind to the Fortress of Islam.

Anyway, 'clean shaven' have at times more than compensated for the 'bearded'. It started with the Founding Father who could not recite the Kalima and who once invited Mountbatten for lunch during Ramzan. He promised Mawdudi, who is one of the twin pillars of jihadism in the 20th century, to 'build his mosque in the land he was getting for him'. Thus, Mawdudi switched sides and stopped calling him as 'Kafir-e-Azam'. Who can forget Zia-ul-Haq or for that matter, even the most un-pious, Field Marshal whose CMLA for Lahore once wanted to hang Mawdudi, but ended up joining with him! The self-styled, very clean-shaven, propahly suited & booted, secular socialist, the alcohol swigging ZAB did more damage than even Zia-ul-Haq. The clean-shaven, dog-loving mohajir COAS fueled extremism all over and beyond Pakistan.Then, we have an equally clean-shaven, hair-transplanted and prim & proper Nawaz Sharif who was about to anoint himself as a Caliph until ousted.

The moral of the Pakistani story is that every one of them, from bearded foot-soldier to clean-shaven Quaid-e-Azam, has contributed in his or her (don't forget Pinky) own way to fundamentalism, extremism, sectarianism and jihadism in Pakistan and beyond.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby chetak » 25 Nov 2016 19:55

Modi has very pointedly told the pakis that there is more than one way to bell the cat and bugger all they can do about it.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby pankajs » 25 Nov 2016 19:58

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 622674.cms

"China would also deploy its naval ships in coordination with Pakistan Navy to safeguard the port and trade under the CPEC," the unnamed official was quoted as saying by The Express Tribune.

In the past, China has shied away from saying that it plans to deploy its naval ships in Gwadar, a move which could raise alarm in the US and India.

Experts feel that CPEC and the Gwadar port would enhance the military capabilities of both China and Pakistan, and make it possible for the Chinese Navy to easily access the Arabian Sea.

Having a naval base in Gwadar could allow Chinese vessels to use the port for repair and maintenance of their fleet in the Indian Ocean region. Such a foothold would be the first overseas location offering support to the Chinese navy for future missions.

Pakistani defence officials are keen for the Chinese navy to build up its presence in the Indian Ocean and the Arabia sea, mainly to counterbalance India's formidable naval force.

The Pakistani official also said that the Navy is considering buying super-fast ships from China and Turkey for its special squadron to be deployed at the Gwadar port for the security purpose.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby SSridhar » 25 Nov 2016 20:01

The drama of PN 'expelling' an Indian submarine from Pakistani territorial waters was precisely to justify the Chinese navy in Gwadar.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby sudhan » 25 Nov 2016 20:01

SSridhar wrote:
Falijee wrote:Some observations:
- Just wondering; in spite of all this "Malsi pasandi pious giri", exhibited by all COAS how come , no "bearded" have emerged as Paki Army Chief !

Maj. Gen. Zhairul Islam Abbasi could have become one of those unkempt bearded Chiefs had his coup attempt succeeded. Alas, that was not to be. As I have always strongly felt, Allah has been very unkind to the Fortress of Islam.



Isn't he the one with eyebrows that just wont quit? He allegedly undercut Rawheel's influence overtly during the container coup - I? Was probably shunted out of pindi circles for this..

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby yensoy » 25 Nov 2016 20:06

pankajs wrote:The Pakistani official also said that the Navy is considering buying super-fast ships from China and Turkey for its special squadron to be deployed at the Gwadar port for the security purpose.


When was the last time Pakistan purchased something with their own money?

If they do now, they should be encouraged. Any step that brings them closer to bankruptcy, and takes away from their spending on worthwhile causes is welcome. They should be further motivated to purchase two aircraft carriers, and a couple of nuclear submarines for good measure.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Rishi Verma » 25 Nov 2016 20:14

CPEC Workers in Bakistan May Bring Own Water

Chinese use more water to cook instant noodles than for showers so it should not be a problem

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Rishi Verma » 25 Nov 2016 21:26

Chinese Navy in Gwadar

Chinnis must be thinking NaMo became a PM at the wrong time. More China props up Bakistan just for a highway, NaMo is equally swiftly removing rocks from the foundation of Bakistan.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby sudhan » 25 Nov 2016 22:17

^ PLAN will soon realize staying within arm's reach of IN during a conflict is a bad idea.. This is going to end badly for PN..

Time to speed up P15Bs and P17s

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby arun » 25 Nov 2016 22:30

Peregrine wrote:CRramS Ji, sanjay kumar Ji and all BRF Gurus, Mulaners etc.

Following from the Late Lee Kwan Yew

Singapore's Lee: we can't integrate Muslims

Andrew Bolt, Herald Sun - February 2, 2011 3:19am

Singapore's presiding genius, Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew, on the failure of Muslim integration:

In the book, Mr Lee, when asked to assess the progress of multiracialism in Singapore, said: “I have to speak candidly to be of value, but I do not wish to offend the Muslim community. “I think we were progressing very nicely until the surge of Islam came, and if you asked me for my observations, the other communities have easier integration - friends, intermarriages and so on, Indians with Chinese, Chinese with Indians - than Muslims. That’s the result of the surge from the Arab states.” He added: “I would say today, we can integrate all religions and races except Islam.” He also said: “I think the Muslims socially do not cause any trouble, but they are distinct and separate.”

I end my case!
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For the record Lee Kwan Yew did some politically correct downhill skiing about what he is recorded as saying in the book “Lee Kuan Yew: Hard Truths to Keep Singapore Going” and gave Singapore’s Mohammadden population a clean chit, mind only Singapore’s Mohammaddens:

MM Lee: "I stand corrected"

AsiaOne
Tue, Mar 08, 2011

Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew issued a statement last night and said he stands corrected on how well-integrated Malay-Muslims are in Singapore, according to a Straits Times report.

He referred to the comments he made in the new book, Lee Kuan Yew: Hard Truths to Keep Singapore Going.

He said: "Hard Truths was a book based on 32 hours of interviews over a period of two years.

"I made this one comment on the Muslims integrating with other communities probably two or three years ago. Ministers and MPs, both Malay and non-Malay, have since told me that Singapore Malays have indeed made special efforts to integrate with the other communities, especially since 9/11, and that my call is out of date.

"I stand corrected. I hope that this trend will continue in the future."

Since the book was published, reactions from some Muslim groups were negative. Some said his remarks were unfounded while others called for him to apologise. ……………..

Asia One


Meanwhile more from Singapore’s Lee Kwan Yew on the dangers posed by Mohammaddenism to the world. Time Magazine interview datelined December 12, 2005.

The Mohammadden terrorist fomenting ways of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan gets a mention.

THE DANGER OF RADICAL ISLAM

TIME: How serious is the threat?

LEE: This battle is going to be won and lost in the Middle East. The problem in Iraq is very grave. If the jihadists win there, I'm in trouble here. [Their attitude will be]: We've beaten the Russians in Afghanistan, we've beaten the Americans and the coalition in Iraq. There's nothing we cannot do. We can fix Southeast Asia too. There will be such a surge of confidence for all jihadists. The U.S. must be seen�if not to have prevailed or to have created a democratic Iraq�to at least to have denied the jihadists a victory. Because otherwise the consequences for America and for the world are horrendous.

TIME: The 2002 plot to blow up seven embassies in Singapore using truck bombs�our sense is that you were taken completely by surprise.

LEE: Of course. How could we, in this most cosmopolitan and open of cities, where 15% Muslim Malays are completely mixed up with Chinese, Indians, Eurasians and others, go to English-language schools, do similar jobs, live in similar homes, produce 30-plus would-be jihadists?

TIME: You had no idea?

LEE: No idea at all. It was a stroke of good fortune. Our intelligence had under surveillance a few religious types [in Singapore]. One of them left for Karachi and went on to Afghanistan, soon after the country was bombed by the Americans [in late 2001]. He was captured by the [anti-Taliban] Northern Alliance. He was of Pakistani descent. So we found that this wasn't just a religious study group. If that fella had not gone off to Karachi to fight with the Taliban, we would have been hit with seven truck bombs. The nitrates were sitting [across the causeway] in [the Malaysian state of] Johore.

At the same time that this Pakistani, born and bred in Singapore and English-speaking, was caught by the Northern Alliance, another Pakistani born and bred in Bradford, U.K., was caught in Iraq and sent to Guant�namo Bay. I watched his father on the BBC, and thought to myself: two Pakistani families left Pakistan, one for Bradford, the other for Singapore, produced children, brought up in two totally different environments, quite distant from the Islam of Pakistan, and yet they both end up fighting in Afghanistan. This Islamist pull is more powerful than that of communism. The communists never fully trusted one another across racial boundaries. The Vietnamese communists never trusted the Chinese communists and so on. But with the Islamists there is total trust: You are a warrior for Islam, so am I: We swear to fight together.

TIME: Both the rise of China and the rise of radical Islam require very sustained, long-term engagement by the U.S. Are you confident that Americans have the ability and the patience for the long-term view, the long-term engagement?

LEE: In the past the U.S. had the option of opting out, as in Vietnam. Now Americans know they are vulnerable; 9/11 brought this home dramatically. American embassies and American businesses are being attacked worldwide. Opting out is not an option. To make the long-term burden sustainable you need a broad alliance, to spread the load, to reduce excessive burdens on yourself. You need others to agree on the basic causes and solutions. It's not poverty, it's not deprivation, it's something more fundamental, a resurgence of Arab and Islamic pride, and a belief that their time has come. The objective must be to reassure and persuade moderate Muslims, the rationalists and modernizers, which I believe the majority are, that they are not going to lose, that they have the weight, the resources of the world behind them. They must have the courage to go into the mosques and madrasahs and switch off the radicals. ……………….

Lee Kuan Yew Reflects


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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby anupmisra » 25 Nov 2016 22:55



India better take up his offer or be damned for eternity. Aziz does not make such one-time offers loosely.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Rishi Verma » 25 Nov 2016 23:14

What LeeKumKee said about Muslims has been said a dozen times by Hasan Nissar. So it shouldn't be a revelation to anyone right?

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Postby arun » 25 Nov 2016 23:32




I am all for dialogue with the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan if agenda includes the time-bound immediate return of Islamic Republic of Pakistan occupied portion of Jammu & Kashmir to India besides return of Islamic Republic of Pakistan occupied Jammu & Kashmir portion that was illegally ceded to the Peoples Republic of China to India.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Falijee » 26 Nov 2016 00:03

Mullah Brigade In Pakistan Should Know This : China orders Xinjiang residents to surrender passports to police

Source : CNN !
Beijing (CNN)Millions of residents in China's northwestern Xinjiang region have been ordered to surrender their passports to local police, in a move rights groups say is an attack on personal freedom.The order came from the Shihezi Public Security Bureau Immigration Office in Xinjiang on October 19, which said that passports would be held by police after an "annual check."Residents wishing to travel abroad would have to seek permission from local authorities, the statement said. Those who refuse could be barred from leaving the country.
Xinjiang is an ethnically divided and resource rich province that is home to around 10 million predominantly Muslim Uyghurs and around eight million Han Chinese.
No reason was given for the policy, however the World Uyghur Congress, a Germany-based rights group, said it was deliberate move to restrict the movements of the Uyghur population. Has this news been reported in the Paki media ?[/quote]
"Although the regulations ostensibly target all residents, Chinese authorities in the past have taken clear steps to limit mobility rights for the Uyghur community in particular," the Congress said in a statement.
China has blamed Uyghur separatists ( with "some" help from Pakistan :mrgreen: ) for a number of attacks in recent years, including one on a coalmine in September 2015, in which 50 people were killed.

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Falijee » 26 Nov 2016 01:31

Pakistani Women Are Asking Men To Beat Them :roll:
Remember the notorious ‘lightly beating’ fiasco by the Council of Islamic Ideology, where the men proposed that men can beat their wives ‘lightly’ if they defy them (yup, by the men, for the men and of the men)? There was, naturally, a lot of reaction and criticism to that decidedly inappropriate ruling. Considering that in light of the wide prevalence of violence, in all forms, against women, it is nothing short of inspirational seeing the ladies stand up to all this and be so strong doing it.

This "fiasco" garnered the attention of world media to the "challenges" faced by the females of Pakiland :D
Well, here’s an interesting way women in Pakistan have come up and challenged men to ‘beat’ them
In a video, featuring some of the most iconic women of our time, the UN Women Pakistan launched a campaign called ‘#beatme’ in order to raise awareness about violence against women that is prevalent not only in Pakistan, but around the world as well.The insanely talented ladies in this video are asking men to beat them at various walks of life :roll: that these women have proven to be masters of, like:

Not sure, whether this kind of thing will have a desired effect in a ( Islamic ) society like Pakistan ! The Islamic Brigade will "cry foul" and accusations like "trying to corrupt ( AKA westernize) our "maahole" (ie environment ) will surely fly left and right !
Naseem Hameed,
the “fastest woman in South Asia”

Are women allowed to run :eek:
Samina Baig,
the third Pakistani (man or woman) to climb to the top of Everest

wearing pants, burkha and /or shalwar - kameez :roll:
Meesha Shafi,
the singer who is also a feminist icon

Is feminism considered "halal" in Malsi :)
The video also features some other known faces
Like Momina Mustehsan whose rise to fame and the amazing way she has been dealing with online trolls should serve as a playbook to everyone
who’s being bullied.

So, some mard-e-momeen are trolling this "lovely" on the net; is she aware of Pakistan's "reputation" for pxxrn !
And Aamina Sheikh,
who is an inspiration all around for being a successful career woman with a thriving personal life.

What! Bae-sharam girl; does she not know that according to the "Book", a women's place is ONLY in her home :mrgreen:
Along with these ladies, Sana Bucha, Sarwat Gilani and Fiza Farhan also make an appearance, among other known faces.

Wonder what the "dads" and "moms" of these "Muslim women" must be thinking about; would they still be now considered "marriage material" :shock:
Jamshed Kazi, Country Representative for UN Women Pakistan says: “The #BeatMe campaign poignantly drives home a universal message that verbal and physical violence against women in Pakistan and beyond is unacceptable – this is not normal, and it cannot continue. If men treat women as badly as they choose to – beating, burning, abusing or killing her – with little or no consequence, it negates all efforts to build a safe world in which women and girls can flourish. In every country, we have very resilient, resourceful, talented and brave women and girls. This campaign celebrates their strengths and achievements as being ‘unbeatable’, and acknowledges women’s equality as a driving force for successful societies and nations.”
Ladies, here’s to your resilience. If it weren’t for you, literally none of us would be here :roll:

Once in a while, you come across these "gem" articles that "try" to potray Pakiland as a "liberal society" ! It is high time that the "Mullah Brigade" clamp down on this UnMalsi behaviour :mrgreen:

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Falijee » 26 Nov 2016 01:52

Pakistan Running "Pillar To Post" To Draw Attention To LOC Skirmishes :mrgreen:
As India retaliates, Pakistan moves UN
Situation poses grave threat to international peace: Maleeha Lodhi.
Alarmed by the escalation of tension with India along the Line of Control (LoC), Pakistan on Thursday asked the U.N. to act before the situation became a “full-fledged crisis.”Pakistan’s Ambassador to the U.N. Maleeha Lodhi met Deputy Secretary-General Jan Eliasson and Chef de Cabinet of the Secretary-General Edmond Mulet, and alleged that the situation posed a “grave threat to international peace and security.” According to a statement issued by the Permanent Mission of Pakistan to the U.N., Ms. Lodhi alleged that escalating tension “was a deliberate attempt” by India to “divert the attention of the international community from the gross human right violations being committed” by it in Kashmir.
Alleging that the attack on an ambulance trying to evacuate the injured was a particularly “abhorrent act,” she urged the U.N. to act.The U.N. Department of Peace Keeping Operations was separately asked to mobilise the United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan to effectively monitor the LoC and the working boundary as a step to help ease the tension, a statement said. — PTI

-Does not this "fake PhD" holder ( Lodhi) not know that Ban -ki-Moon (UN Sec Gen) is "biased" towards India, as his daughter is married to an ex Indian Army Afsar :rotfl:
- The way things are going at the border, I would not be surprised if "Senile Sartaz" uses the "Heart Of Asia conference at Amritsar to "bring up Kashmir "

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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Falijee » 26 Nov 2016 02:10

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-uk-s-boris-johnson-asks-india-pakistan-to-find-lasting-solution-to-kashmir-issue-2276676 :((
Britain on Thursday asked India and Pakistan to find a "lasting" solution to the Kashmir issue amid an escalation in tension, but made it clear that it was not for the UK to "prescribe a solution or act as a mediator".

After all , he "enjoyed" Paki "mehman- nawazi" for TWO FULL DAYS, and HAS to somehow reciprocate, so one should not blame him! :mrgreen:
Johnson told reporters at a joint press conference with Adviser to Pakistan Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz.

Does this 80+ year old senile, still has what it takes to do this "high pressure" job ; no wonder "Pakistan is being isolated" cries are flying left and right :mrgreen:
However, Aziz today said Pakistan has briefed the British delegation about increase in tension on the LoC as he stressed the need for dialogue with India "otherwise these issues would become more serious."[ :roll: /quote]
Aziz said Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has extended an invitation to his British counterpart to visit Pakistan next year.
Johnson is on a two-day visit to Pakistan.

India recently got Theresa May (PM- CLASS A ) ! Pakistan had to be content with Boris ( FM- CLASS B )So no = = here :mrgreen:

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Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

Postby Peregrine » 26 Nov 2016 03:13

Firing from across the border has stopped in last 2 days: Manohar Parrikar

PANAJI: Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar today said the firing from across the border had stopped in the last two days as the enemy was feeling the heat of retaliation.

"After the surgical strike, the cowardly attacks continued which were retaliated strongly by our Armed Forces on the border. Our response to their attacks was strong.

"The day before yesterday we got a call from them pleading us to stop the retaliation," Parrikar said, referring to request for DGMO- level talks from Pakistan.

He was speaking at a rally at Sankhalim village in Goa.

"We told them that we don't mind stopping (the counter attacks) as we are not interested in it, provided they too stop it. For last two days, the firing has stopped from across the border," the Defence Minister said.

"For the first time Union Government allowed the Army to enter PoK and teach lesson to those involved in the cowardly act against our forces," he said, referring to surgical strike after Uri attack.

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