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Err..What's with the assumption that all this is to actually stop terrorism. Could be just stuff he does because it looks good to his base..Or just to spite

There is no stopping British citizens of paki origin, is there? Plenty of them did an ISIS tour of duty. IMO that is the biggest risk group to USA.
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Gus wrote:Err..What's with the assumption that all this is to actually stop terrorism. Could be just stuff he does because it looks good to his base..Or just to spite

There is no stopping British citizens of paki origin, is there? Plenty of them did an ISIS tour of duty. IMO that is the biggest risk group to USA.
The ISI and their compatriots know there is a coward in the WH -- who doesn't even have the cajones to put Pakistan on 4 month visa watch list. And don't even mention the Victoria Falls of Wahabi Fundamentalism -- KSA.

The GOOPERs called Obama all kinds of names -- but he sent the SEALs into Pakistan without begging for their permission.

The current occupant of the WH grovels before the ISI-- but looks brave on Twitter. And that is all that matters to his base. Reminds of Sonia Gandhi always talking about a 'befitting reply' after the ISI killed Indians in some terrorist attack.
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https://nyti.ms/2ke1qJe

People being detained at airports etc
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LokeshC wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:Naturalized citjen is citjen. No discrimination allowed based on birth etc
A naturalized citizen can be denaturalized and stripped of citizenship.
Yes, but not that easily though.
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komal wrote:Reminds of Sonia Gandhi always talking about a 'befitting reply' after the ISI killed Indians in some terrorist attack.
I thought it was Manmohan ji who said that. Same thing though - HMV.
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UlanBatori wrote:The criterion is from what I see, whether the country in question has a thorough vetting program. IOW whether they have a GUBO program where the US can find out plenty about the citjens of that country. KSA and Pakistan, certainly, fall in the GUBO category. Iran, Syria Yemen etc. don't. This may be a case of closing the stable door long after the donkeys have bolted or in this case entered, but better late than never I suppose. The thing about blocking GC holders for 4 months is cruel and needless: they were vetted when they got the GC, so they are less likely to be soosai inflators than the native-born sh1t-headed ISIS citjens. This is a huge boo boo and blind spot of the administration.
Have no idea what GUBO means. But I thought Obamaba had destroyed the US intelligence capabilities. Why trust anything now.

Aren't American lives worth offending the sensitivities of KSA and Pakistan?
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BTW, this move is just a populist move with zero impact on the US' interests, and zero benefits as well.

Beating up the little guy (as usual).
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matrimc wrote:
komal wrote:Reminds of Sonia Gandhi always talking about a 'befitting reply' after the ISI killed Indians in some terrorist attack.
I thought it was Manmohan ji who said that. Same thing though - HMV.

Actually it was Musharraf who always threatened India with a "befitting reply" every time India got pissed after a Paki terror attack. Then the Pak Generals picked up on it.
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Exec order has been signed asking mattis and doherty to come up with a anti isis plan in a months time from various canned options
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Have no idea what GUBO means.
Gee! Children these days are just not getting educated. :oops:
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KJo wrote:
matrimc wrote:
I thought it was Manmohan ji who said that. Same thing though - HMV.

Actually it was Musharraf who always threatened India with a "befitting reply" every time India got pissed after a Paki terror attack. Then the Pak Generals picked up on it.
The Twitter rants and threats also remind of Sonia/Manmohan sending dossiers to Islamabad.
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Singha wrote:Exec order has been signed asking mattis and doherty to come up with a anti isis plan in a months time from various canned options
Phase 1 will be insults hurled via Twitter.

Phase 2 will be proposing tariffs on Syrian goods

Phase 3 will be an appearance on Hannity mocking John McCain
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The movement if any of b52 units to middle east will be a leading indicator of intent if any. Also one more cvn if it deploys in Med sea. These will be public moves.

Baki twitter rants are always part of trumps morning ritual
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Huge difference between public shows of force and actual use of force.
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^^^ If USA had deep gubo access in Pakistan, how did the San Bernardino shooters enter the country?
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Still not sure what GUBO means, but how did OBL hide out in Pakistan for years if the USA has 'GUBO" access in Pakistan?
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komal wrote:... but I am shocked that an Ivy League graduate doesn't understand that any tariff will be paid by Americans -- not by the the exporting nations.
The top accounting department in the US is not from an Ivy League university/college. :wink:
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 51511.html
"Conservative MP says he is banned from US under Donald Trump's immigration ban

Nadhim Zahawi says he cannot enter the US because he was born in Baghdad even though he is a British citizen
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komal wrote:Still not sure what GUBO means, but how did OBL hide out in Pakistan for years if the USA has 'GUBO" access in Pakistan?
There is a BRF glossary that you can look up.
Here:
https://sites.google.com/site/brfdictio ... ary/g/gubo
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UlanBatori wrote:
Have no idea what GUBO means.
Gee! Children these days are just not getting educated. :oops:
:twisted: There is always the BRF dictionary (as Arun_G ji said and gave the link).
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komal wrote:
Singha wrote:Exec order has been signed asking mattis and doherty to come up with a anti isis plan in a months time from various canned options
Phase 1 will be insults hurled via Twitter.
Phase 2 ...
Phase 3 ...
POTUS has powers to do much much more than that. Juss sayin'.
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Singha wrote:Baki twitter rants are always part of trumps morning ritual
Good catch. Getting rid of his inner pakistaniyat. Detox every day.
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A_Gupta wrote:^^^ If USA had deep gubo access in Pakistan, how did the San Bernardino shooters enter the country?
SB shooters were US citjens, hain? Anyway, DT's jarnails are cold warriors who still think there is a Tooth Fairy and Pakistan is a Fronlyin' Al-Lie. Brave men, but dolts. Thick and unbending like oak trees.
Facts to left of them, facts to right of them, but they fa*ted and blundered
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Man! This DT immig. ban is as they say, pretty tectonic. aka crazy. Upended all expectation of fairness and Rule of Law from Yoo Ess. Must have shaken pakistaniyat in the Yoo Ess to the core. The sense of "we can do what v please becoz v r M ****s" has been trashed. 50 years' worth of Islamic influence in the US dented.

Not saying I quite approve, since same can happen to any law-abiding people.
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UlanBatori wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:^^^ If USA had deep gubo access in Pakistan, how did the San Bernardino shooters enter the country?
SB shooters were US citjens, hain? Anyway, DT's jarnails are cold warriors who still think there is a Tooth Fairy and Pakistan is a Fronlyin' Al-Lie. Brave men, but dolts. Thick and unbending like oak trees.
Facts to left of them, facts to right of them, but they fa*ted and blundered
I beleive that the wife was a Color of the Religion of Peace Card holder -- so much for the GUBO control.
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Color of the Religion of Peace Card holders can be in the country for 25 or 30 years. Left Pakistan perhaps before 9/11 when "terrorism" did not exist.
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UlanBatori wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:^^^ If USA had deep gubo access in Pakistan, how did the San Bernardino shooters enter the country?
SB shooters were US citjens, hain? Anyway, DT's jarnails are cold warriors who still think there is a Tooth Fairy and Pakistan is a Fronlyin' Al-Lie. Brave men, but dolts. Thick and unbending like oak trees.
Facts to left of them, facts to right of them, but they fa*ted and blundered
Yes, Rizwan Farook was born in the USA of Pakistani immigrant parents. But his wife, Tashfeen Malik was an immigrant.
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Thought I'd made this post earlier. Guess it didn't make it through. There is precedent for de-naturalization well before President Trump took office. In particular, lying about certain affiliations during the citizenship process and engaging in subversive actions are both reasons where citizenship can be revoked.
For instance, take a look at this case from over 10 years ago: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/2-Lo ... 513174.php
One of them was a naturalized citizen of Pakistani descent and his son was born stateside. However, they were related to another American-born Paki who was convicted of material support to terror groups and attending a training camp in Pakistan. These two had also spent some time in Pakistan and were coming back. FBI refused to let them back in without undertaking searching interviews and lie-detector tests.

What is more, Canada isn't very far behind either:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/citizen ... -1.3795733
Trudeau's government is even more pro-active than the previous government about converting Canadian citizenship to Canadian Visa (BRF dictionary link included) if needed.

Pakis should be worried....
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UlanBatori wrote:Color of the Religion of Peace Card holders can be in the country for 25 or 30 years. Left Pakistan perhaps before 9/11 when "terrorism" did not exist.

She came to the USA in 2014 -- again so much for the GUBO vetting process.
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Hope DT adds the two largest sources of terror in the world -- Bakistan and Tunisia. After that, only Turkey and Saudi will be left.
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Apparently, judge issued a stay for some parts of the order it seems. Chaos at airports ..Detainees .. Uncertainty..

reaction is awaited in twitter.
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matrimc wrote:
Singha wrote:Baki twitter rants are always part of trumps morning ritual
Good catch. Getting rid of his inner pakistaniyat. Detox every day.
the 'new' side of the US thats on full monty display was always there , but behind the green door and silk screen.
all that DT has done is pulled back the curtain and let the world see the raptor - red in tooth and claw

one bositiv fallout of this is MUTU uncles who patted FOBs and RIs on the head and talked down on "the joke of a system in India" are finding their legs a bit shaky now :D
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Well napakistan, queendom londonistan and sauthi Arapia are already well known terror centrals. The scrutiny is already at its highest. Moreover, there are already deep assets inside these known hubs of terror to keep tab on bad elements.
In fact most bakis, entire horoscope starting well even before each baki's four father is available to US. Most bakis can get a good genealogy report including their SDRE ancestors from US, if they have had even some inkling to get to US. Additionally including these countries in the list would be simply a restatement.

What is actually being tried is pro-active pre-emption, because some of erstwhile buddies are going to be dropped like cold potatoes. The most people who would nurture immediate grievance would emanate from countries where latest screw-ups happened. Syria would be leading candidate, because some ISIS yahoo wouldn't take kindly to stoppage of patronage and support and definitely go baki way. It is preventative maintenance for future.

Iran is talking about reciprocity :rotfl: :rotfl: . Nice, so will we soon see Iran allowing churches to be built and Evanjihadis to operate in Iran? The hypocrisy of Islamic world is being put on notice. Parkalam how it turns out, will dhimmis win or more people start asking the right questions to Islamic world.
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Lawyers worked with the International Refugee Assistance Project at Kennedy Airport for individuals who were denied entry into the United States.
https://nyti.ms/2jJdNtH

https://nyti.ms/2jJjgQR

https://nyti.ms/2jJkmfq

Demonstrators gathered at San Francisco International Airport

https://nyti.ms/2jD6Qwg
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The federal judge took a big risk. Her career is shot for at least four years. But I guess the POTUS did not think through.

Judge halts implementation of Trump's immigration order

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JwalaMukhi wrote:Well napakistan, queendom londonistan and sauthi Arapia are already well known terror centrals. The scrutiny is already at its highest. Moreover, there are already deep assets inside these known hubs of terror to keep tab on bad elements.
In fact most bakis, entire horoscope starting well even before each baki's four father is available to US. Most bakis can get a good genealogy report including their SDRE ancestors from US, if they have had even some inkling to get to US. Additionally including these countries in the list would be simply a restatement.

What is actually being tried is pro-active pre-emption, because some of erstwhile buddies are going to be dropped like cold potatoes. The most people who would nurture immediate grievance would emanate from countries where latest screw-ups happened. Syria would be leading candidate, because some ISIS yahoo wouldn't take kindly to stoppage of patronage and support and definitely go baki way. It is preventative maintenance for future.

Iran is talking about reciprocity :rotfl: :rotfl: . Nice, so will we soon see Iran allowing churches to be built and Evanjihadis to operate in Iran? The hypocrisy of Islamic world is being put on notice. Parkalam how it turns out, will dhimmis win or more people start asking the right questions to Islamic world.
Inspectors of IAEA will be barred too if they are American?
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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/25/autos ... index.html

days of N3's youth in the golden age of amrika (if you were middle class or rich white/STEM academic from other parts of world)
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JwalaMukhi wrote:Well napakistan, queendom londonistan and sauthi Arapia are already well known terror centrals. The scrutiny is already at its highest. Moreover, there are already deep assets inside these known hubs of terror to keep tab on bad elements.

In fact most bakis, entire horoscope starting well even before each baki's four father is available to US. Most bakis can get a good genealogy report including their SDRE ancestors from US, if they have had even some inkling to get to US. Additionally including these countries in the list would be simply a restatement.
That explains why American tax dollars were being used to keep OBL well fed and housed all those years.

Perhaps a 'restatement' but aren't Ameican lives worth the 'restatement'? I guess not.

The ISI (especially those with Religion of Peace Color Cards) are still laughing all the way to the bank.
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comment in NYT :)


math elitist Pacific 6 hours ago

I am a legal permanent resident sometimes hesitant of my place in this country---more out of caution due to the repeated, but low level racism that is common if you are not white. But the US is a white Christian country, always has been. No one else has any permanent place, and perhaps that is what the nation wants.

After all, it has historically denied right to life and property, enforced by law, genocide, or state sanctioned murder, to native americans, blacks, Japanese, and now middle eastern people---but has been powerful enough to masquerade as a nation of immigrants. I don't think the Trump administration represents a change today, as much as it is a return to the longer arc of history as a white christian nation. If you are white european, by all means, this is your nation of immigrants.

The rest of us, time to smell the coffee and realize that the true color of "lady liberty" is white. I feel stupid to have bought into the myth even if not completely.
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