Aero India 2017 - Feb 14 - 18

deejay · Post by **deejay** » 01 Feb 2017 20:41

17th is good.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 01 Feb 2017 23:16

Oooh friday evening past 5pm going towards the city past Hebbal flyover

I'm in too. Will mail Shiv saar.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 Feb 2017 23:22

OK I will fix it as Friday 17th Feb.

My place will be available a get together on Friday 17 Feb 2017 from 6 PM to 10-30 PM.

People who want to come must email me on bennedose a t h o t mail d o t c om for directions and a phone number. Please identify yourself with a BRF handle.

Note: Please make the subject line "Jirga Aero India 2017 ". I will set up an email filter and the email will be missed if that subject line is not there

I will respond with directions and a phone number. I prefer calls to SMSes - SMSes don't work well with me

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Feb 2017 08:38

Friday the 17th Friday the 17th Please note....

VishalJ · Post by **VishalJ** » 02 Feb 2017 13:47

Thank You my fellow mujahideens

Can I suggest the host and other diggajs pls arrange a contest/quiz - a la rocking rapidfire round full of ashleel apattijanak sawaals and bold bindaas jawaabs.

I would be honoured to present one of my kalakriti as the puraskaar to the vijeta.

If you folks can please decide on what ladaku vimaan (or any vimaan that has sparshd hindustani mitti in the past 10 years) you most desire

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Feb 2017 22:22

shiv wrote:OK - so I will make this pukka. My place will be available a get together on ~~Saturday 18~~ Friday 17th Feb 2017 from 6 PM to 10-30 PM. People who want to come must email me on bennedose a t h o t mail d o t c om for directions and a phone number. Please identify yourself with a BRF handle.

Note: Please make the subject line "Jirga Aero India 2017 ". I will set up an email filter and the email will be missed if that subject line is not there

Many thanks Sridhar bin editi

Marten · Post by **Marten** » 02 Feb 2017 22:48

Shiv saar, is anyone presenting? Perhaps we could find a projector or ask if prospective attendees have one to spare for the day?
Would be nice to see the vimaanpron by Vishal and some nuggets on the analysis.

VishalJ · Post by **VishalJ** » 02 Feb 2017 22:54

Sounds like a plan

Yusuf · Post by **Yusuf** » 02 Feb 2017 22:55

shiv wrote:I would be happy to make my place available for a BRF get together. Since I know Yusuf of DFI well I would be happy to include DFI people too. I have the place, but past experience tells me that arranging dinner poses needless logistical difficulties. So I could arrange place, munches and soft drinks. Liquor can be brought in if someone wants - but I live in a plastic free zone and plastic plates and glasses are ruled out. Beer cans can be brought in if anyone wants to tipple. Bring eats if you feel like it - but not compulsory - you wont get dinner but chips/peanuts type of stuff can be arranged.

A lunch meet would kill the joy of those who want to spend a day at the airshow. It takes a very long time to get back from Yelahanka into the center of the city where I live so people start showing up later and later spending the afternoon at the show. That is not a problem - but we must have some kind of time limit for the meet - and I have usually said 6 pm to 10-10-30 pm or some such thing.

As regards the date - I would suggest Saturday as the best compromise date. Please post feedback here. This is a tentative feeler - I have not spoken to SHQ yet - but she is happy to let me be with my crowd so I don't expect any issues there.

Lol! Joo are quick. An Idea discussed & you implement it ASAP!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 04 Feb 2017 11:22

shiv wrote:Many thanks Sridhar bin editi

I would be there on the 15th. Will try to call you.

VishalJ · Post by **VishalJ** » 04 Feb 2017 15:06

Team Yakovlevs (they performed at the 2015 show) with their Yak 50s and Super Yak 52s should be landing at BLR today.

VishalJ · Post by **VishalJ** » 04 Feb 2017 15:12

The Scandinavian Airshow (they performed at the 2015 show) have arrived today.

VishalJ · Post by **VishalJ** » 04 Feb 2017 15:20

Vishal Jolapara wrote:
Marten wrote:Paging Vishal Jolapara for the list of hotties that will be flying.
I hear that Gripen is coming.

I'll start asking around and revert about the rest.

The Usual Suspects are as follows:

Tiger Moth or Dhruv may open the daily flight displays,
LCH,
LCA/Tejas,
Su30MKI,
Rafale,
Gripen
Emb-145,
The Yakovlevs,
Pilatus PC7,
The Scandinavian Airshow,
XXXXXXXX
USAF C-17 (tentative)
Last to display may either be Surya Kirans or Sarang

Gripen confirmed. http://saab.com/aeroindia

udy · Post by **udy** » 04 Feb 2017 20:08

Technical Programme schedule of Aero India Seminar 2017

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 05 Feb 2017 11:37

How does one go about getting ticket for Aero India , on the Aero India site they tell you to register.

Will we get Business Day Ticket over the counter once we reach AI after showing the printed copy of registration form or does it work any different this time around ? Thanks

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Feb 2017 12:05

Austin wrote: Will we get Business Day Ticket over the counter once we reach AI after showing the printed copy of registration form or does it work any different this time around ? Thanks

This is what I believe will happen. Registering online gets you a barcode and a reg number which you print and carry to the venue to get a pass

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Feb 2017 12:06

SSridhar wrote:
shiv wrote:Many thanks Sridhar bin editi
I would be there on the 15th. Will try to call you.

Sure - I will be there on the 15th as well

Kapil · Post by **Kapil** » 06 Feb 2017 08:55

Oops,
will have to miss the jirga.
I am flying back on 17th morning.

Have fun guys

Kapil

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 06 Feb 2017 15:11

Stupid AeroIndia site has mentioned three different things for the Visitor pass to the stalls at three different locations.

In the "Venue and Timing" page it says that Rs1600 ticket it for both week days from 9Am-5PM.
ON the registration info page for the same ticket it says its for Saturday 2pm-5pm, sunday 9am-5pm.
On the actual registration page where you need to enter details and pay, it says the ticket is only for Sunday 9am-5pm.

Which one of them is correct now..?? I don't want to buy that pass only for Sunday, that would be a waste.

I might just be going for Airshow afterall.

BTW which ticket gets you to static display..?? Do we need separate security clearance pass or the Rs2500 business pass works for that..??

VishalJ · Post by **VishalJ** » 06 Feb 2017 15:27

The show ends on Feb 18 Saturday so what ticket is that for Sunday¿

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 06 Feb 2017 16:59

Vishal Jolapara wrote:The show ends on Feb 18 Saturday so what ticket is that for Sunday¿

LOL. Thanks for pointing that out Vishal. When I saw weekend pass for two days, I assumed its Sat-Sun. Didn't check the calendar at all.

Last time it was there on SAT-SUN both days of weekend. So assumed likewise this time as well.

These are three pages where it lists three different timings for Rs1500 pass.

https://www.aeroindia.in/VenueTimings.aspx
https://www.aeroindia.in/GeneralVisitor ... gPage.aspx
https://www.aeroindia.in/GeneralVisitor ... ation.aspx

So the pass is only for Saturday then. Hmm. My planning has gone for a toss then.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 06 Feb 2017 18:23

Yelahanka police arrested a 24-year-old man on February 4 at the Yelahanka Air Base for ‘suspicious activity’ just ahead of Aero India air show at the base.

Marten · Post by **Marten** » 06 Feb 2017 18:45

JayS wrote:
Vishal Jolapara wrote:The show ends on Feb 18 Saturday so what ticket is that for Sunday¿
LOL. Thanks for pointing that out Vishal. When I saw weekend pass for two days, I assumed its Sat-Sun. Didn't check the calendar at all. Last time it was there on SAT-SUN both days of weekend. So assumed likewise this time as well.

These are three pages where it lists three different timings for Rs1500 pass.

https://www.aeroindia.in/VenueTimings.aspx
https://www.aeroindia.in/GeneralVisitor ... gPage.aspx
https://www.aeroindia.in/GeneralVisitor ... ation.aspx

So the pass is only for Saturday then. Hmm. My planning has gone for a toss then.

Surprised that you do not have a pass despite being from the industry. I'd imagine you would prefer a weekday to avoid the crowds.

VishalJ · Post by **VishalJ** » 06 Feb 2017 19:33

JayS wrote:
Vishal Jolapara wrote:The show ends on Feb 18 Saturday so what ticket is that for Sunday¿
LOL. Thanks for pointing that out Vishal. When I saw weekend pass for two days, I assumed its Sat-Sun. Didn't check the calendar at all. Last time it was there on SAT-SUN both days of weekend. So assumed likewise this time as well.

These are three pages where it lists three different timings for Rs1500 pass.

https://www.aeroindia.in/VenueTimings.aspx
https://www.aeroindia.in/GeneralVisitor ... gPage.aspx
https://www.aeroindia.in/GeneralVisitor ... ation.aspx

So the pass is only for Saturday then. Hmm. My planning has gone for a toss then.

I just saw those and am sorry about the appalling state of affair in regards to clarity of info as well as the show's website.

To break it down, here's a Site Map from 2013 and I assume the arrangements will be no different this year round.

On the above links where it says:

TIMINGS FOR BUSINESS VISITORS :
&
TIMINGS FOR VISITORS EXHIBITION AREA (ONLY FOR WEEKEND)

IMO, this is one and the same thing/same class of ticket, different days.

And the other category of ticket is the General Visitor's ticket, which will position you in the ADVA

This is the ADVA:

Here are the kinda shots you can get from there:

Saturday will be a day to stay away.

Hope you have a good experience.

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 06 Feb 2017 20:09

Marten wrote: Surprised that you do not have a pass despite being from the industry. I'd imagine you would prefer a weekday to avoid the crowds.

I know. Its almost embracing.

My company is kind of cheapo in this respect. If you put people from Service industry in top management this is what you get.

Vishal Jolapara wrote: Hope you have a good experience.

Thanks Vishal. I have been to AI-15 and saw the Air Display. Plus the info on BRF - I have fair Idea of Air Display part.

Can you tell me whether these Rs2500/Rs1500 tickets give access to Static display area or not?? I was told by someone that you need some express pass with higher security clearance to go there, which you only get from someone in IAF/DRDO/HAL etc.

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 06 Feb 2017 20:20

Define "access" sir? If you mean getting real close to the aircraft line up, then NO. If you meant, can I look at the aircrafts from a few meters behind a fence? Well, yes. Saturday is probably the worst day to attend. Even getting a spot near the fence is almost impossible unless you are one of the first ones to be let inside the airbase and you never leave that spot. Heck, it is challenging to get a good spot even on weekdays. I hope you reconsider visit on Sat.

Some members of the press, including Vishal (even though he is not an official press rep), get the extra-pass to go on to the other side of the fence. I guess depending on the pull, you can get a glance at the cockpit as well. But most aam janta don't have the above privilege

. Also there have been several BRF members with right connections who can get their hands on such passes.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 06 Feb 2017 21:43

Found this picture on Kallman's website. I suppose it applies to this year

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 06 Feb 2017 21:44

Zynda wrote:Define "access" sir? If you mean getting real close to the aircraft line up, then NO. If you meant, can I look at the aircrafts from a few meters behind a fence? Well, yes. Saturday is probably the worst day to attend. Even getting a spot near the fence is almost impossible unless you are one of the first ones to be let inside the airbase and you never leave that spot. Heck, it is challenging to get a good spot even on weekdays. I hope you reconsider visit on Sat.

Some members of the press, including Vishal (even though he is not an official press rep), get the extra-pass to go on to the other side of the fence. I guess depending on the pull, you can get a glance at the cockpit as well. But most aam janta don't have the above privilege . Also there have been several BRF members with right connections who can get their hands on such passes.

Access = going in the Static display area. I am not sure but from what I saw from last time, static display area and the Exhibition area are separated. I saw people coming out from Exhibition area for AirDisplay but I thought they were not allowed to go to the static display area. Just wanted to know if Aam junata can at all go stand in front and have a good look at the static display line-up by paying whatever ticket price. But now I am seeing, from your post, its totally out of bound for Aam junata. Its rather sad.

I know what kind of thing goes on in that ADVA. You have to stand on chairs if you want to see anything. Last time I saw morning show from the rightmost part. And for afternoon show I went to the leftmost section at the end of runway. From there you can have a good look at fighters which are waiting for TO. Frankly I am not looking forward too much to stand in the harsh sunlight for 2hrs. Just yesterday I was watching LCA practice runs from roof-top and I didn't like the idea of doing the same for 2hrs. I hope BLR weather gives some respite next week.

BTW I wont be going on SAT. Not atleast for the Exhibition Area. That I will do on weekdays itself. Might go second time on SAT with colleagues just for Air Display again though.

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 06 Feb 2017 21:54

I think the 1500 ticket buys you access to static display area but not the exhibitions/stall area. The exhibitions/stalls are hosted in the hangars and I believe to gain entry, you may need the 2500 ticket. As far as I can recall, ADVA people do not get access to either of them. May be it is possible to enter ADVA from Exhibition (although I doubt it...but others can confirm this), but I would think it would not be necessary as from static display area, one can witness the air display just even better, as it is considered as show centre, most of the manoeuvres are designed to be around show centre. I thought when you meant access to real close up of the aircraft.

BTW, the fence is not visible real good in the above picture, but that is as close as one can get with access to static display area. If you want real close up of the aircraft, perhaps you would need that extra high-security pass.

Edit: Also, this is how a typical crowd on Saturday (or Sunday which is not there this time) looks like

Edit: Just read your message in its entirety. Again my suggestion is to go on the 2nd day of Aero India. Its the day usually reserved for Defense PSU folks plus families along with business ticket holders (2500 one). At least in the past, it was relatively less crowded which afforded some breathing air along with movement. With AI gaining popularity, probably those dins are also quite crowded off lately!

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 06 Feb 2017 22:59

^^ Saar, many thanks for the pics. Now I know exactly what's the deal for the static display area from that picture.

Last time I went on Thursday I think. There was not much crowd for morning show and since I hand around after first show till afternoon show, I could have had any place I wanted for the afternoon show. Had thought of going back on Friday for exhibition, but the sheer exhaustion of riding all the way from South BLR to Yelahanka and back made sure I didnt dare going again.

Perhaps I will go on Thursday. Wed might be difficult to take leave on. Lets see. t to take leave on.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 06 Feb 2017 23:00

How does one see past those parked planes? Wont the planes taking off be blocked from view by these?

VishalJ · Post by **VishalJ** » 06 Feb 2017 23:07

Prasad wrote:How does one see past those parked planes? Wont the planes taking off be blocked from view by these?

Correct!

This:

will look like this:

which is why ADVA is best if you want to have a clear line of sight with the runway action - provided you find a tall vantage point (almost impossible) or are right in front of the fence - tough.

I don't think the organizers think from the crowd's perspective. Almost all the world's major airshows are completely crowd-centric, Aero India is anything but

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Feb 2017 07:37

JayS wrote:
Access = going in the Static display area. I am not sure but from what I saw from last time, static display area and the Exhibition area are separated. I saw people coming out from Exhibition area for AirDisplay but I thought they were not allowed to go to the static display area. Just wanted to know if Aam junata can at all go stand in front and have a good look at the static display line-up by paying whatever ticket price. But now I am seeing, from your post, its totally out of bound for Aam junata. Its rather sad..

Time was when I stood under and Su-30 and discovered that I could just stand upright in the gap between the engines. Those days ended in 1998. From 2001 onwards no one is allowed near the static line up.

Be prepared. It will be hot and sunny outside and there will be no place to sit inside or outside the halls and you will have to walk 2-3 km inside airconditioned halls to see all of them.

If you want to sit, drink cool drinks and yenjaay - choose ADVA for 1000 Rs less

arvin · Post by **arvin** » 07 Feb 2017 09:14

Where would the BR stall be ?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Feb 2017 09:28

arvin wrote:Where would the BR stall be ?

There is no BR stall

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 07 Feb 2017 09:55

Vishal Jolapara wrote: which is why ADVA is best if you want to have a clear line of sight with the runway action - provided you find a tall vantage point (almost impossible) or are right in front of the fence - tough.

I don't think the organizers think from the crowd's perspective. Almost all the world's major airshows are completely crowd-centric, Aero India is anything but

Brilliant. No program/schedule for the aerial display either from what I saw on the website. There is one in the morning and one in the evening iirc.

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 07 Feb 2017 10:15

Yep. The website is not that informative but fortunately BRF is. The morning aerial program starts around 10:00 AM and the afternoon around 2 PM I guess. The actual aerial display duration will be around 2.5-3 hours for each session.

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 07 Feb 2017 12:40

Who exactly runs the show for AI..?? Who gets the money earned out of it..??

Marten · Post by **Marten** » 07 Feb 2017 13:18

arvin wrote:Where would the BR stall be ?

In 2007...

Kapil · Post by **Kapil** » 07 Feb 2017 16:37

We had stalls in 2003,2005,2007,2009

2005-our neighbour was the Mysore Sandal Soap stall.

No more stalls post 2009 due to manpower constraints.

We will have one when the first sqn of Tiger Moths Mk 100 is raised and operationalised. So,Aero India 2021