Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 01 May 2017 04:27

And the fearmongering starts:
Actually I don't know why I call that fearmongering. Only reason I don't worry about NoKo Nuko is that I am fairly confident that they don't have many mijjiles, and those that they have won't reach Ulan Bator. Hitting somewhere else however, will have a devastating effect on life as the rest of us know it. OTOH a conventional missile that hits somewhere will have a panicked massive retaliation a la Afghanistan 2001, that will result in many more North Koreans getting killed and maimed.
A well-planned, "neat" strike on missile and nuke facilities and decapitating the regime, has much to prefer. By now I am fairly sure that Eleven has promised to sell Client No. 1 down the river.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 01 May 2017 04:33

And the drums start beating:
More than 600 American military personnel were killed protecting the coast of Australia from a Japanese invasion in 1942.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby ArjunPandit » 01 May 2017 06:29

I was hoping it will not be a cold winter but seems like Do-land trump wants to get done in summers to enjoy winters with me-la-ni-a

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 01 May 2017 06:40

Dhoti Shivering and Dur ka Butt, US style

As 2nd straight North ballistic missile test fails, 'strategic patience' shouldn't be replaced with impulsive impatience.
There are 25 million reasons why this showdown can't be allowed to spin out of control, accidentally or otherwise. That's the population of metropolitan Seoul, the South Korean capital, just 35 miles from a North Korean border where hundreds of artillery are within range of the city. One analysis concluded that 30,000 people could die in the first few minutes of such an attack.
There are also 28,000 U.S. troops in South Korea, all of whom would be in range of North Korean ballistic missiles that could be loaded from one of the world's largest stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, as well as some of the rogue nation's estimated 20 or more nuclear devices. Japan is also within striking distance.
:roll:

Meanwhile UBCN interpretation of Zee's phone calls to regional leaders is to negotiate refugee intake expected from NoKo and SoKo. Estimate is 10M NoKo refugees going to China, some to Russia. Maybe even to organize medical teams, radiation treatment camps. Airlift anti-radiation pills. Good prices on body bags at high lot sizes.

Clearly Zee is going straight towards war. Also CBS claims that he has virtually acknowledged that the US is sabotaging the mijjile and hopefully nuke tests.

In the CBS interview, the president was asked why the North's rockets keep blowing up. "I'd rather not discuss it," he said. "But perhaps they're just not very good missiles. But eventually, he'll have good missiles." He added: "And if that happens, we can't allow it to happen."

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 01 May 2017 07:47

More hype and salwar shivering: Newsweek

ONE MILLION DEAD.. AND THAT'S IF IT DOESN'T GO NUCLEAR :((

A senior North Korean military defector has said that under Kim’s new war plan, the North intends to try to occupy all of South Korea before significant U.S. reinforcements could flow in from Japan and elsewhere. This invasion could start, Cha wrote in his recent book, The Impossible State , by terrorizing the South Korean population with chemical weapons. “An arsenal of 600 chemically armed Scud missiles would be fired on all South Korean airports, train stations and marine ports, making it impossible for civilians to escape.” The North’s arsenal of medium-range missiles could also be fitted with chemical warheads and launched at Japan, delaying the flow of U.S. reinforcements. ...

As Cha says, “as wars go, this would be the most unforgiving battle conditions that can be imagined—an extremely high density of enemy and allied forces—over 2 million mechanized forces all converging on a total battlespace the equivalent of the distance between Washington, D.C., and Boston.’’ The United States would immediately dispatch four to six ground combat divisions of up to 20,000 troops each, 10 Air Force wings of about 20 fighters per unit and four to five aircraft carriers. In Cha’s scenario, U.S. and South Korean “soldiers would be fighting with little defense against DPRK artillery, aerial bombardments, and in an urban warfare environment polluted by 5,000 metric tons of DPRK chemical agents.”

Even if that artillery barrage and push into the South gave the North the initiative, there is no question, military planners all say, who would ultimately prevail in a second Korean War. The U.S. and South Korea have far too much firepower, and if Kim Jong Un decided to go to war, that would be end of his regime, whether he knows it or not.

But this would not be a one-week walkover, like the first Gulf War against Saddam Hussein, when his forces were arrayed like clay pigeons in the Iraqi and Kuwaiti deserts, where they were easily destroyed by U.S. air power. Conventional thinking in the Pentagon is that it would be a four- to six-month conflict with high-intensity combat and many dead. In 1994, when President Bill Clinton contemplated the use of force to knock out the North’s nuclear weapons program, the then commander of U.S.-Republic of Korea forces, Gary Luck, told his commander in chief that a war on the peninsula would likely result in 1 million dead, and nearly $1 trillion of economic damage.

The carnage would conceivably be worse now, given that the U.S. believes Pyongyang has 10 to 16 nuclear weapons. If the North could figure out a way to deliver one, why wouldn’t Kim go all in?

Has the messaging so far from the Trump administration regarding North Korea made war more or less likely? Trump was sobered by the Obama administration’s counsel that things with North Korea were becoming more dangerous. He initiated a comprehensive policy review shortly after taking office, which led to press reports that “all options” were on the table (including use of force) in dealing with North Korea. Too much may have been made of that, given that, in any formal review, all aspects of policy are scrutinized. When President-elect Donald Trump was told North Korea had claimed it had reached the “final stage of preparations to test-launch an intercontinental ballistic missile,” he tweeted, “It won’t happen.” Kellyanne Conway, counselor to the president, explained that Trump had sent a “clear warning” to North Korea and put Pyongyang “on notice.” She added that “the president of the United States will stand between them and missile capabilities.”

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Prem » 01 May 2017 08:27

UlanBatori wrote:Continuing from UBCNews Analysis: T

I think there is agreement to throw NoKo to the wolves, if US leaves PeeAllSee to take over SCS. Duterte being paid off with some booze, houris and the odd GoldmanSachs account. I wouldn't want to be in Kim Junior's shoes right now. His hours are numbered - and the knife may well come from the North-Northwest, not from the south-southeast.


This will prove PRC to be a Paper Tiger , Deceiving Dragon unable to stand by its Serpentile servants. Paki will know that Taller & Deeper is only a Peeker and not permanent Master .

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Gagan » 01 May 2017 08:40

The US must warn NoKo generals & senior officers that they will face post war genocide courts & death squads if the launch Chemical or Biological weapons.

The US has to take the propaganda war inside NoKo to upsurp Kim dong's propagandu machine. Surely all the assets of the culinary institute and an underground resistance are activated inside NoKo.

Even if this does not go to an all out war, the minimum that the US will want is:
1. CRE of NoKo's Nuclear Program. Both Japan and SoKo will absolutely want this
2. Capping NoKo's missile program to IRBM distance only. No MRBM or ICBM.

secondary goals might be:
1. Replace ding dong little, with a trojan horse who will slowly open ties with the south
2. demilitarize and make the border porus
3. Don't think SoKo will be ready to merge with such a totally impoverished North in these tough times right away. They'll probably want a pro US and SoKo man in place, who will gradually demilitarize, denuke, and open up the economy.

If there is war, one will surely see Pyongyang fall, with NoKo splitting into half and cheen retaining influence in the areas close to it, and the rest merging with soKo.
The NoKo artillery will only reach the outskirts of Seoul, any artillery pieces close enough will be taken out. IMHO the dangers to seoul itself are somewhat exaggerated - a bit like lutyens people in india saying Pakistan has nukes and so no war is possible, because it will turn into nuclear-flashpoint-in-south-asia.
Same Bokwaas.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Deans » 01 May 2017 10:22

I'm not sure what Thailand and Singapore have to do with NoKo. A sign that Trump has few allies - or countries that understand what he's trying to do ?

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Philip » 01 May 2017 13:49

The most appalling thing that could happen,though some are awaiting it with ardent fervour,is the utter destruction of Kim...chi! :rotfl:

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 01 May 2017 13:56

Voting rites denied to those w/o Teetar, hain? Shocking. Anyway, I vote YES. He will be happily recuperating at Gobi Paradise Valley Exercise and Dog-Feeding Resort, where his dogs grow also happily burping up ribbons his jarnails. Or jarnails in ribbons.
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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Karthik S » 01 May 2017 13:57



NoKo did enough damage to us already by exchange of nuke and missile tech with the pakis. I feel we don't have a dog in this fight.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 01 May 2017 17:11

See the radical change in Carl Vinson Group's mission tasking from February. That is the last item to be found by searching "South China Sea". So in 2 and half months the Vinson Group has been wasting money hanging around, hiding between Indonesian islands and treading softly to avoid disturbing the mighty Eleven. :eek:

Which supports the finding that the whole NoKo tamasha is a way for Strategic Retreat With Minimal Loss of Face (SRMLF). Mr. Trump is a pussycat? Orange Tabby? :mrgreen:

"We urge the U.S. not to take any actions that challenge China's sovereignty and security," Geng told a regular news briefing on Wednesday.
The United States last conducted a freedom of navigation operation in the area in October, when it sailed the guided-missile destroyer USS Decatur near the Paracel Islands and within waters claimed by China. Dave Bennett, a spokesman for Carrier Strike Group One, said it did not discuss future operations of its units. "The Carl Vinson Strike Group is on a regularly scheduled Western Pacific deployment as part of the U.S. Pacific Fleet-led initiative to extend the command and control functions of the U.S. 3rd Fleet," he said. "U.S. Navy aircraft carrier strike groups have patrolled the Indo-Asia-Pacific regularly and routinely for more than 70 years," he said. China lays claim to almost all of the resource-rich South China Sea, through which about $5 trillion worth of trade passes each year. Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam also claim parts of the waters that command strategic sea lanes and have rich fishing grounds, along with oil and gas deposits. The United States has criticized Beijing's construction of man-made islands and build-up of military facilities in the sea, and expressed concern they could be used to restrict free movement.
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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 01 May 2017 17:19

Karthik S wrote:NoKo did enough damage to us already by exchange of nuke and missile tech with the pakis. I feel we don't have a dog in this fight.

Ah! That's y this is not in the India-Ko dhaga. But that makes it all the more important to crowd around and comment on the proceedings per ancient tradition, hain? :mrgreen:

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 01 May 2017 21:36

Next step:
Londonistan reports: "imminent nuke launch".
Wonder why there are no "dossiehs" this time. Poodle tail between legs seeing Dlagon?

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 02 May 2017 00:38

Meanwhile, in DupleeCity: Trump says he would be 'honored' to meet Kim Jon Un under "right circumstances".
That's it: no war, just a huge beer bash at Mar Largo. Out of a punchbowl shaped like an aircraft carrier with ladles shaped like nuclear missiles.
No US president has ever before met with the leader of North Korea, and the idea is extremely controversial. {That's because they were all stuckup stuffed-shirts with nowhere near the imagination of DT}
White House press secretary Sean Spicer, however, said later on Monday that the US would first need to see changes in North Korean behavior before a potential sit-down. "We've got to see their provocative behavior ratcheted down immediately," Spicer said. "Clearly, the conditions are not there right now." Spicer also offered an explanation for Trump's view, expressed to CBS, that Kim is a "smart cookie." "He assumed power at a young age when his father passed," Spicer said. "There was a lot of potential threats that could have come his way. He's managed to lead a country forward, despite the concerns that we and so many people have. He is a young person to be leading a country with nuclear weapons."

Looks like Trump is going to outdo the Korean in schizophrenia and drive him clean over the edge. Interesting, coming from the man who ordered the SOF mission in Yemen, the Syria strike and the MOAB in Afghanistan. Whatever it is, he does not seem at all stressed, for a man facing a decision which can kill a million people or more, whichever way he goes. That Civil War comment (Andew Jackson would have negotiated a solution) maybe shows the real stress on him.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Rudradev » 02 May 2017 02:18

I want to re-post this:

viewtopic.php?p=2086371#p2086371

The Trump style of dealmaking.

First open with ambiguity to keep the adversary uncertain,
then make demands aggressively,
then bluster while appearing to raise the stakes,
and then finally enter a negotiation where you ratchet down to a final position which is advantageous relative to your initial position.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby ramana » 02 May 2017 02:20

Am going to x-post in the GDF thread.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 02 May 2017 05:47

The endgame in Korea is becoming suddenly clear: U saw it hiyar first. October Levorution Cereblation in Pyongyang, with those classic SeaOfRed uniforms showing one huge message:

WERCOME TO LOUNDEYE GAIJIN PLESIDENT PAPA TLUMP.
BIG MIDDRE FINGEL SARUTE TO YOU TOO!

p.s. Made In China


Instead of Dongless mijjiles, the floats on those big trucks will be giant sized images of Melania and Ivanka wearing (only) crowns like Statue of Liberty, with middle finger raised to the sky. Thousands of schoolchildren in precise uniforms dancing and singing to
Lound and lound the Murbelly Bush
The Murbelly Bush, the Murbelly Bush

Lound and lound the Murbelly Bush
Dancing in the mawlning!


CNN giving commentary pointing out that Bush is misspelled due to the failure of the Trump Presidency.
At least one post following mine faithfully barking like the Postman-Admirers in my subdivision :roll:
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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 02 May 2017 05:54

Here u go: Imagine that being the Melania Float come October

U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday opened the door to meeting North Korea's Kim Jong Un, saying he would be honored to meet the young leader under the right circumstances, even as Pyongyang suggested it would continue its nuclear weapons tests.
“If it would be appropriate for me to meet with him, I would absolutely, I would be honored to do it,” Trump told Bloomberg News, comments that drew criticism in Washington.
"Under the right circumstances I would meet with him," Trump said.

This is 21st century Statesmanship. Now Dear Leader can come on Trump Tweets and post his response. @RealTrump

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Postby UlanBatori » 02 May 2017 07:40

And this IS getting scary:
By David Trayner / Published 2nd May 2017
Rockwell B1-B Lancer strategic bombers – the main US aircraft designed to drop nukes – have been spotted over the Korean Peninsula.
North Korea says the warplanes buzzed its territory yesterday. The Lancers teamed up with American’s nuclear aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson and nuclear sub USS Michigan, state media said.
The Hermit Kingdom warned it was ready to strike the US with a “precious sword of nuclear weapons” unless it stopped the provocations.

This time around, things ARE different, and the NoKos better take notice. On the one hand you have Trump going around calling Dear Leader a Smart Cookie and declaring willingness and "honor" to meet him. While the media barks and howls around that entertainment, he's going around quietly calling PMs and Presidents all round, getting them on the same page with no fanfare.
And the military is preparing with deadly seriousness, for all-out nuclear and conventional annihilation of NoKo. So now all 3 recallable arms of the Strategic Teeth have been bared. NoKo clearly sounds scared in their statement above: it is no longer about a conventional strike, and they cannot continue with Seoul blackmail. B-1s mean the US is ready to take out the DMZ threat using tactical nukes at least.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Lalmohan » 02 May 2017 13:46

so i ask again - what has NoKo done differently in the past few weeks than it used to before?
why is there a need for a war NOW? i mean right NOW?

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 02 May 2017 16:48

Right, what happened to the Presumption of Innocence? One could always wait until AFTER their ICBM delivers over Seattle or San Francisco. I don't see the hurry either. Bhavitavyam Bhavet Eva. All is Maya. What's a few million lives between friends?

What I don't understand is the point of their frequent announcements of threats (assuming I am reading the right translations):
Justin McCurry in Tokyo
Tuesday 2 May 2017 01.22 EDT
Last modified on Tuesday 2 May 2017 02.31 EDT
North Korea has vowed to accelerate its nuclear weapons programme to “maximum pace” and test a nuclear device “at any time” in response to Donald Trump’s aggressive stance towards the regime.
The warning came as US military officials said a controversial missile defence system was now “operational”

If you feel compelled to test something, why threaten to do so? Threatening is saying: "Unless you do XYZ I will do ABC". What is the XYZ that will convince them not to do ABC? If not, why announce anything?

This is like
Kick or I am going to spit on you!
except in this case it is
Kill me and my friends and family and neighbors and entire nation or I am going to THREATEN to kill some of you and destroy some small piece of your infrastructure.

Makes no sense at all, but if these reports are correct, there is no logic in blaming the US if a massive pre-emptive strike is launched. First to wipe out air defenses and the artillery threat, using stealth attack, cruise missiles and tactical nukes north of the DMZ, followed by 3 months of B-52 "carpet bombing" just to make sure.
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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Atulya P » 02 May 2017 16:52

Noko appears to be just a piece that is up for taking, the Chinese gambit in Pak through cpec, their backing Iran/russia in ME, Us being outfoxed in syrian theater and increased bravado in SCS has all led to khan feeling the heat. noko seems like a ripe fruit to pick in this game and is bang on the chinese doorstep. Its about showing cheen their place in the order and probably a wee bit reactionary. Looks like khan feels that its being cornered and questions are being asked. Thawk attack on syria, thaad deployment and all this Noko warmongering is a way to show the world that it still has teeth and a big budget to back those teeth. If they back off now without taking a substantial bite, there would be serious questions about khan's capability and intent.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 02 May 2017 17:07

Unfortunately NoKo is presumed to be "No Iraq" as in "millions of Americans will die in the war". No one in the US is going to stand up and repeat the blunder of Gen. Douglas MacArthur and his Home By XMas declaration. But fortunately, the reality is probably that NoKo is in far worse shape than Sad-dam's Eyerak to defend against US attack in 2017. Those poor sods sitting in the artillery gun bunkers are sitting ducks for missile strikes, one per bunker. Those nice modern munitions that go round and round inside a bunker, penetrating through a ventilator port, bouncing off walls, burning everyone with 2000-degree exhaust before finally exploding. Baaaad life expectancy for anyone in NoKo uniform, and anyone living anywhere near any military installation.

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Postby Atulya P » 02 May 2017 17:32

It is not going to play out like that in my opinion. It is impossible for anyone to remote destruct any country. If only it were that easy. Feet on the ground is always required and then goes into small arms fighting in urban areas. No one can carpet bomb civilian population and remember noko has a pop greater than syria and not so less than iraq. The kim-chi hawaldars are not going to stay in bunkers and await their incineration.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby kapilrdave » 02 May 2017 18:45

Someone is misleading and mis-advising to the gleat leadel. His brain being no bigger than Rahul Gandhi's anyways. Someone very near to him wants him and NoKo to be destroyed. Who? China? Is the ever expansionist China looking to grab the NoKo land after the end game?

<wild CT>
What's more? The more the destruction, the more the construction opportunities and more JOBS! Now who wants more jobs :?: Yeah, US and China both :!:

khub jamega rang jab mil baithenge teen yaar. aap main aur NoKo :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Philip » 02 May 2017 18:52

8 days for the balloon to go up? Remebr the May 13th prediction.
Japan's sending its largest flat top to join the USN's nuclear strike armada to battle NoKo if need be,is the most dangerous flashpoint yet.
To the paranoid in the extreme nation that NoKo is,led by a paranoid leader,it would appear that the entirw western world led by the US is ganging up on it and determined to bring it down. The US's insistence that NoKo dismantle its N-capability is simply an impossibility,as that capability alone ensures its survival. Both Saddam and Ghadaffi found out the hard way that abandoning their WMD ambitions cost them their lives. How would India react if Trump demanded that India dismantle its N-capability?

Therefore,with Japan acting aggressively and sending its navy to join the armada,"Outstanding Leader" Kim Jong Un may decide that if US sh*t is going to send his kingdom to kingdom come,he might as well strike first sending Japan,Korea's great historic enemy on that course first.

The big Q is what will China do if NoKo is attacked?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... t-any-time
North Korea launches salvo of rhetoric, threatening nuclear test 'at any time'
Tensions high as US forces in South Korea announce activation of missile defence system while Kim regime condemns ‘aggression and hysteria’

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/799 ... obliterate
North Korea claims JAPAN trying to INVADE and threatens to OBLITERATE it in World War 3
EIGHT DAYS TO NUCLEAR STRIKE: North Korea REFUSES to back down after failed missile
READY FOR WAR: Shock images show Kim Jong-un's missiles, jets…
UK would be 'wiped off face off the earth with ONE STRIKE' - top Russian official

North Korea claims JAPAN trying to INVADE and threatens to OBLITERATE it in World War 3

NORTH Korea has blamed Japan for rising tensions in the Korean peninsula - as the hermit kingdom threatened the Land of the Rising Sun would be obliterated if war broke out.

By ALIX CULBERTSON
PUBLISHED: 08:41, Tue, May 2, 2017
The Japanese are trying to invade North Korea, the Rodong Sinmun editorial said
Japan would be engulfed in radioactive clouds if nuclear war broke out, an editorial piece in Rodong Sinmun, the official newspaper of North Korea's ruling Workers’ Party said.

In the article, entitled ‘Japan’s Reckless Act Which Drives Itself into Ruin’, it accused Japan of being the United States’ puppet.

The piece also claimed Japan is attempting to invade the Koreas to militarise the peninsula.

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Japan has been conducting joint drills with the USS Carl Vinson-led aircraft carrier strike group over the past week in the Philippine Sea as tensions in the area increase.

Yesterday Japan revealed its biggest warship, 294-metre long helicopter carrier the Izumo, will accompany a US supply vessel dispatched to refuel American naval forces in the region, including the USS Carl Vinson carrier group, which North Korea has threatened to sink.

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South Korea and US military held the integrated live fire exercise amid tensions over nuclear issues in the Korean Peninsula

South Korean K2 tanks fire live rounds during a joint live firing drill between South Korea and the US at the Seungjin Fire Training Field in Pocheon, 65 kms northeast of Seoul
A South Korean K-2 tank takes part in the joint South Korea/USA integrated live fire exercise against a possible attack from North Korea
A South Korean Multiple Launch Rocket (MLR) system participates during the joint South Korea/USA integrated live fire exercise against a possible attack from North Korea
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Explosions are seen at target during U.S.-South Korea joint live-fire military exercise at training field near the DMZ in Pocheon
Under the country’s post-Second World War constitution, Japan can only use military force in cases of self-defence.

In today’s North Korean editorial, it said: "First of all, Japan, which is the US forces' logistics, launch and sorties bases, would be blanketed with radioactive clouds if a nuclear war occurred on the Korean Peninsula.

"Not only those who try to harm us but their supporters will not be safe if any war breaks out.”

Japan launched its largest warship yesterday to accompany a US supply vessel to Korea
The paper said it was a “piece of cake” for the North Korean army to strike Japan, as it added the missiles also have the scope to reach the US.

The North Korean peninsular is on the brink of a nuclear war, it said, and added Japan is “winnowing” the tense situation.

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It used examples of Japan’s joint drill with the US last week, as well as Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s sudden reduction of his European tour schedule due to the situation in Korea.

The paper, added: “It's obvious that Japan's fanning of a Korean Peninsula crisis is intended to proceed toward its militarisation and reinvade the peninsula.

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Japanese PM Shinzo Abe has become a firm ally of the US
“Japan should behave prudently for its interest by endeavouring to solve the Korean Peninsula issue peacefully.”

Last night the US revealed its Terminal High Altitude Area Defence (THAAD) missile defence system is now operational from a disused golf course in southern South Korea to stop nuclear missiles from hitting the South.

Colonel Rob Manning, a spokesperson for US Forces Korea, last night, said: “US Forces Korea confirms the THAAD system is operational and has the ability to intercept North Korean missiles and defend the Republic of Korea (South Korea).”

Another official added the system has “initial intercept capability”.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Philip » 02 May 2017 18:56

Latest news:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/791 ... c.outbrain

Japan scrambles to avoid WW3: Record number of fighter jets sent to deal with China
Russia REACTS: Putin calls for emergency UN meeting amid FURY at Trump 'act of AGGRESSION'
SPOTTED: Putin 'moves military forces' to North Korea border as world prepares for WAR


VIDEO has been released allegedly showing a mass military mobilisation in Vladivostok, Russia, just eight miles from the border with North Korea, as the world edges towards war.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby rsingh » 02 May 2017 19:34

How would India react if Trump demanded that India dismantle its N-capability?


what makes you think that ? It means you do not understand difference between India and Noko.
On other hand things are progressing as I mentioned earlier. Japan has started Civil evacuation/ defence drills. That is definitely a sign of things to come.
Russia is moving forces. It does not mean that it will take part. It has to secure its border from gun-ho yankees in case they puncture Noko baloons. This is how big powers play the game. Russia can take advantage if there is vacuums but it will never fight for Noko regime. BTW has anybody seen pics of US solders doing flag march in Siberian City? Yes they did and Russia remembers that.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Lalmohan » 02 May 2017 20:18

maybe the winds from the altai are blowing more special herb scents towards ulan bator these days... i ask again - what has NoKo down recently (by itself, without being poked) that it hasn't been doing for years?
why the need to poke right now?
was it a manifesto pledge?
why now?

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 02 May 2017 20:41

It is impossible for anyone to remote destruct any country.

Just wondering if you were watching TV/internet in 1991. Or late 2001.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby prasannasimha » 02 May 2017 20:49

^^ They are achieving probably ability to target coastal US so action may be taken

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 02 May 2017 20:49

i ask again - what has NoKo down recently (by itself, without being poked) that it hasn't been doing for years?


A search on Google might help answer that in less time than it takes to repeat the question. Numerous tests of IRBM/SLBM towards ICBM, which say that weaponized nuclear delivery to CONUS is nearly here, plus louder, more frequent rhetoric about the intended purpose of those tests. Expected 6th nuke test which may be thermonuclear. Some countries prefer to fight the wars in other countries, not wait for the destruction to come inside, nor live in fear for ever after.

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Postby Philip » 02 May 2017 21:06

The answer is that every decade or so the US has to go to war with someone in order to test out its latest weaponry and mil doctrines.
Now the avowed aim of the US is to emasculate/castrate the N-capability of ANY nation (including India,why we're always being linked with Pak),and from time to time is developing concepts and weaponry to deal with WMD powers. It sees in NoKo the greatest threat to Pax Americana,because while Russia and China will play a balancing act according to the rules that the N-powers/P-5 have agreed upon,with intl. agreements, (SALT,START,MTCR,NPT,etc.), NoKo is a nuclear "rogue" nation that is growing in strength by the day despite western sanctions and is refusing to lie down despite US threats.

NoKo has clearly understood that without WMDs it is a dead duck. Its only hope of survival is the threat to annihilate US allies in the region and even threaten US mainland attacks. This is unacceptable to the US.It has therefore sent in the armada,going in "heavy" with SEAL teams,et al ready to take out NoKo's N-capability in a massive pre-emptive strike. Given NoKo's limited number of nukes, the US estimates that the window of opportunity is NOW,when it has cleverly manoeuvred China into anger at NoKo's intransigence and belligerence ,threatening its own Asia-Pacific ambitions.

The big Q is whether the US will be able to neutralise NoKo's WMDs and successfully intercept any BM launches against SoKo ,Japan or even the US mainland if poss. All NoKo needs to do though is to pulverise SoKo with its massive arty capability keeping its BMs hidden and meant for the last resort.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby Lalmohan » 02 May 2017 21:16

its not the only country with nukes or ICBM's that is hostile to the US...

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 02 May 2017 21:23

But the only one not quite impossible to "reach out and touch someone". Not quite MAD. just SAD. (s as in Self). This time next year, with 100 operational ICBMs, it will be MAD.

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Postby UlanBatori » 02 May 2017 21:43

All NoKo needs to do though is to pulverise SoKo with its massive arty capability keeping its BMs hidden and meant for the last resort.

This would work to make BO or even Dubya dhoti-shiver, but is DT sane enough? Can they be sure? I think they have realized that their bluff has been called. That B-1 flight was blatantly intimidatory, and done with neither announcement nor denial. BO would not have dared. You can see from the PeeAllSee reaction that it was effective.

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby UlanBatori » 02 May 2017 21:51

See PeeAllSee fear that All See Pee
China tells US to remove anti-missile THAAD system from South Korea amid spying fears.
But Beijing fears placing the system in South Korea could put it within range of China, allowing it to spy on the communist state.

I don't understand how an upward-looking radar is spying on someone. Must be missing something.

China also said they would "do what is needed to safeguard our interests" which is an interesting threat. From RT.com:
"We oppose the deployment of the US missile system to South Korea and call on all parties to immediately stop this process. We are ready to take necessary measures to protect our interests," he said, adding that “China’s position on the THAAD issue has not changed.”
The spokesperson didn’t specify what protective measures China had in mind. However, responding to the THAAD installation, China announced on Thursday that it will stage live-fire exercises and test new weapons to protect its security.


Dhoti-Shivering from US agints of PeeAllSee, back in last July:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ian-armst ... 32232.html
Why the U.S.-South Korea Missile Shield Could Provoke China to Develop Advanced Weaponry

The United States and South Korea’s recent decision to counter North Korean missile capabilities with an advanced system on the Korean peninsula left China “deeply dissatisfied” and ready to take “necessary measures,” a defense ministry spokesman said at the end of July.

In the month since the agreement was announced, many analysts have wondered how Beijing’s anger will manifest. One common sentiment is that the strategic collateral imposed on China by the missile system, called the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense, may force Chinese diplomats to reconsider their inaction on North Korea’s nuclear efforts. Others, fueled by an earlier Chinese warning that THAAD could “destroy” relations with South Korea “in an instant,” argue that China may seek to discipline Seoul with economic repercussions.

Such responses fail to encompass the full scope of China’s domestic and foreign policy thinking. China will not move in a quick or meaningful fashion to oppose Pyongyang — Beijing fears destabilizing the Kim regime, which would risk expanding the U.S. presence in the region far beyond THAAD deployment and potentially spur an influx of impoverished North Korean refugees into China. In fact, China’s THAAD-inspired refusal to support a U.N. Security Council measure on recent North Korean missile launches suggests that negotiations are even less attainable than before.

Beijing fears destabilizing the Kim regime.

Likewise, THAAD deployment damages Chinese trust in Seoul on security issues, but it does not obscure the two countries’ growing economic interdependence. While South Korea is asymmetrically dependent on economic relations with China, it is also China’s second largest trade partner and a major source of foreign direct investment. Though Beijing will seek to coerce South Korea by publicly considering sanctions, the risk of collateral from major economic retaliation is thus unwarrantable for China, especially in the context of a slowing domestic economy.

How, then, will China respond? As Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi recently stated, THAAD is “not a simple technical issue, but an out-and-out strategic one” — and a strategic military problem will evoke a strategic military response. Countering a powerful missile defense system means more advanced Chinese missiles, with more aggressive deployment.

Little analysis has considered how the THAAD deployment will shape the Chinese military, and media outlets have mischaracterized the impact of the deployment from the Chinese perspective by focusing on the missile-intercepting aspects of the system. This assumption does not account for another major THAAD component — the AN/TPY-2 radar, which identifies and communicates the location of missile targets to the interceptor. In reality, China’s largest concerns come not from the interception component of THAAD, but rather the detection capability provided by the AN/TPY-2. The United States and South Korea have repeatedly asserted that the deployment will be “focused solely on North Korean nuclear and ballistic threats” — not Chinese missiles. The possibility remains, however, for THAAD’s radar to be covertly switched into a longer range mode that feeds into the broader U.S. missile defense — giving Washington earlier notice of Chinese launches.

Regardless of the Pentagon’s intentions, the Chinese perceive the agreement on THAAD as a demonstration that the United States does not value strategic stability with China. Beijing will be motivated to restore its nuclear and ballistic credibility by developing missile technologies that make the AN/TPY-2’s early warning potential irrelevant.

In countering the THAAD deployment to South Korea, two existing Chinese missile programs are likely contenders for accelerated development — hypersonic glide vehicles and multiple, independently targetable re-entry vehicles known as MIRVs.

A strategic military problem will evoke a strategic military response.

China has already tested and reportedly begun deploying small numbers of MIRV-equipped missiles. MIRVs provide China with the ability to inundate late-phase missile interceptors like THAAD, as multiple guided warheads will disperse from a single MIRV missile in the final minutes of its descent. Consequently, the potential strategic imbalances created by bringing THAAD to South Korea are offset, as MIRVs are significantly more difficult to intercept, regardless of how early they are detected.

While MIRVs overwhelm THAAD’s interception capabilities, hypersonic gliders empower China to bypass them altogether. HGVs are an emerging breed of ultra-fast weaponry, and China has apparently successfully tested its secret developmental glider, the DF-ZF, seven times. Capable of traveling in unconventional up and down trajectories at speeds far greater than traditional ballistic missiles, HGVs like the DF-ZF will be extraordinarily difficult to detect and intercept with existing U.S. missile defense.

Thus far, China’s HGV testing has consisted of medium and intermediate-range demonstrations, perhaps indicating that the DF-ZF is being developed with regional missile defense systems in mind. With the South Korean THAAD deployment potentially informing the broader U.S. architecture, China is incentivized not only to accelerate its development of HGVs, but to expand the program to cover longer range missiles capable of hitting the United States. Once operational, the unprecedented speed of the DF-ZF would effectively neutralize the early warning potential of THAAD radars on the Korean peninsula. Security analysts currently project China will deploy a hypersonic arsenal as early as 2020, and likely no later than 2025. Now galvanized by the promise of a nearby AN/TPY-2, the impending Chinese sprint to more advanced missiles will increase the odds of deployment at the earlier end of that timeline. Similarly, China is now more likely to convert existing missiles in its nuclear arsenal into MIRVs, subsequently enhancing its ability to override ballistic missile defenses and increasing its number of nuclear warheads in the process.

Of course, China’s strategic response to THAAD will not be without limits, the most apparent of which is its transition to a new normal of slower economic growth. Furthermore, China has demonstrated a reigning military philosophy of acquiring, as Jeffrey Lewis recently put it, “a little bit of the best things” — with missile programs being driven by technological breakthroughs and an eagerness to be seen as a first-rate nation, not strategic necessity.

Such diligence has, until now, afforded China an efficient and increasingly modern arsenal that has avoided the insensible stockpiling and arms races seen previously in the U.S. and Russia. While this paradigm will require a much greater escalation of military tensions to be overturned, the agreement to deploy THAAD to South Korea may mark the first major step in a slow shift towards more strategically mandated Chinese missile development.


But if THAAD were not deployed, PeeAllSee would not develop hypersonic mijjiles or MIRV mijjiles. :roll: :roll:

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Re: Morbid Rubbernecking: New Korean War?

Postby ramana » 03 May 2017 00:48

How can PRC get provoked to develop advanced weapons?
Maybe provoked to copy them.


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